This video was fantastic, I absolutely enjoyed it. I think you should do a video about the Jane LRT, the Waterfront West, and possibly one about the Spadina Expressway :)
I'd love a Jane LRT video since it's so hard to find info on it. Although, it's relatively young and maybe there really isn't enough to make a video about.
Good questions at the end. 1) I agree with the Allen Road route. It was so much cheaper. If it took Dufferin, it would have ended at St. Clair instead of Wilson. 2) Midblock station at Glencairn (I thought it would have been called Blythwood) is maybe missing. Glen Echo is a bit too close to the valley and only would have 1 sided development. 3) Great point about crossing Don in Thornhill. That is quite a short bridge though - and maybe it only works if more of this portion is built using cut-and-cover. It's hardly worth extracting a TBM and then launching again 200m later. I say build the entire thing cut-and-cover and the savings can build all the mid-block (neighbourhood) could be built.
Excellent and detailed history of a system I know not much of (I'm in the UK) My comment is rather late as your vid has only just popped up in my feed. One very small correction though: Gloucester is pronounced "Gloster" (I know it's a tiny thing but I thought you'd like to know) Thanks!
A few things. First, according to Metrolinx, tunneling under the Don River is actually being done to save costs. This is stated in the recent Metrolinx Engage document on the last page: www.metrolinxengage.com/sites/default/files/ynse_may_5_northern_municipalities_voh_final.pdf Whether or not this is accurate or how this is the case is up in the air. I'm wondering if its only cheaper if Royal Orchard and/or clark are cancelled. Second, if I recall correctly, the stations being cut between Bridge and Finch was a stipulation that was placed if there wasn't any funding that was injected from outside (IE the Feds). Given that 40% of the line will now be funded by the feds, its likely that all of the stations are back on track.
6:23 I believe this is Scheme 2 of the Jacobs & Davies plan. 3:30 I believe this is Scheme 3 of said plan. 7:12 Correction: A portion of the "Queen St. Streetcar Subway" went underground. The line also had connections to Broadview Station and the Danforth streetcar along the DVP and Royal Drive, as well as to the King, Queen, and Dundas streetcars. 7:53 They said "Rapid Transit" subway, but didn't specify if it was Chicago-style. I believe the "Chicago-style" came from the proposed rolling stock being a mix of the streetcars and the Chicago 'L'. (13:37) 10:58 Leslie Street Spit = Tommy Thompson Park 19:56 A more serious interlining junction would use cross-platform interchanges at both stations.
I thought mentioning the 5 workers killed constructing the York Mills station could have been mentioned. Another consequence of not building the high level bridge.
13:35, That actually a 5-50 Series Car. Similar to the 6000s, the only thing is, they're dual powered (poles/pans and 3rd Rail) and run as single-car rather than a married pair.
I had no idea that there was talk of building the Spadina segment along either Bathurst or Dufferin. I've been saying for years that they should have built the Spadina segment along Dufferin and the University section under Spadina Avenue.
The solution to congestion on the Yonge line isn’t an extension - it’s only going to exacerbate it. To provide service to Richmond Hill we should getting the Richmond Hill line included in the GO RER plan so there is frequent bidirectional electrified service rather than unidirectional service.
All stations on the yonge line (And for some reason Osgoode and St Andrew stations on the Uni line) were finished with vitrolite tiling and used the now famous (but seemingly retired) ttc color easter egg where stations one one end of the line would have the same color as another station. Vitrolite tiles were found to be suboptimal. They're pretty easily cracked and broken and so in the 80s the ttc would redo all the original yonge line stations (and St Andrew and Osgoode) with more durable ceramic tiling. For some strange reason however, the ttc did not copy the original colors/patterns and did not always use the same type of tiles. This is why a bunch of the yonge line stations given this treatment look wildly different to their original appearances. Eglinton is the only station that escaped this treatment for some reason. Some of it's vitrolite tiling was replace from removed tiles from other stations such as Queen. www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blogto.com%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2F21%2F2017321-ttc-station-tiles-y.jpg%3Fh%3D2500%26cmd%3Dresize%26quality%3D70%26w%3D1400&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogto.com%2Fcity%2F2017%2F03%2Fttc-subway-colour-scheme%2F&tbnid=QjFi0y89kcafGM&vet=12ahUKEwjeutjjjN38AhUan3IEHWGWAzUQMygBegUIARDKAQ..i&docid=uTej2re1NlqaAM&w=1400&h=471&q=ttc%20subway%20station%20wall%20colors&ved=2ahUKEwjeutjjjN38AhUan3IEHWGWAzUQMygBegUIARDKAQ
The cost of postponing these project should be a lesson to governments. If much of this work had been done in the early 1900's imagine the subways we would have today!
Running the spadina subway extension through the ravine north to Eglington at grade would have been a way better idea and it would also save money. And the hoggs hollow portion between York mills and Shepoard should have been elevated. Its like the planners just want to put everything underground when they can just build it elevated to save time and money.
They Cant Now they already got 3 things being built Line 5: Expected to Open in Late 2022. Line 6: Expected to Open in Late 2023 and a Line 2 East Extension 1 Stop to Scarborough Centre Station
“Over concerns of property values....” some things never change
ironically access to the subway is positively corelated with property value
VERY VERY Well detailed history. Thanks!!!!
Great video! I hope you do some videos on the future lines coming to Toronto
I love your channel ❤ very impressive you put so much into the research, we truly appreciate you.
This video was fantastic, I absolutely enjoyed it. I think you should do a video about the Jane LRT, the Waterfront West, and possibly one about the Spadina Expressway :)
I'd love a Jane LRT video since it's so hard to find info on it. Although, it's relatively young and maybe there really isn't enough to make a video about.
Can't wait for your video on the Queen/Relief/Ontario line.
Good questions at the end.
1) I agree with the Allen Road route. It was so much cheaper. If it took Dufferin, it would have ended at St. Clair instead of Wilson.
2) Midblock station at Glencairn (I thought it would have been called Blythwood) is maybe missing. Glen Echo is a bit too close to the valley and only would have 1 sided development.
3) Great point about crossing Don in Thornhill. That is quite a short bridge though - and maybe it only works if more of this portion is built using cut-and-cover. It's hardly worth extracting a TBM and then launching again 200m later. I say build the entire thing cut-and-cover and the savings can build all the mid-block (neighbourhood) could be built.
The Leafs Convo loves this channel.
Excellent and detailed history of a system I know not much of (I'm in the UK) My comment is rather late as your vid has only just popped up in my feed. One very small correction though: Gloucester is pronounced "Gloster" (I know it's a tiny thing but I thought you'd like to know) Thanks!
thank you for this! great work
A few things.
First, according to Metrolinx, tunneling under the Don River is actually being done to save costs. This is stated in the recent Metrolinx Engage document on the last page: www.metrolinxengage.com/sites/default/files/ynse_may_5_northern_municipalities_voh_final.pdf
Whether or not this is accurate or how this is the case is up in the air. I'm wondering if its only cheaper if Royal Orchard and/or clark are cancelled.
Second, if I recall correctly, the stations being cut between Bridge and Finch was a stipulation that was placed if there wasn't any funding that was injected from outside (IE the Feds). Given that 40% of the line will now be funded by the feds, its likely that all of the stations are back on track.
These are very informative videos
6:23 I believe this is Scheme 2 of the Jacobs & Davies plan.
3:30 I believe this is Scheme 3 of said plan.
7:12 Correction: A portion of the "Queen St. Streetcar Subway" went underground. The line also had connections to Broadview Station and the Danforth streetcar along the DVP and Royal Drive, as well as to the King, Queen, and Dundas streetcars.
7:53 They said "Rapid Transit" subway, but didn't specify if it was Chicago-style. I believe the "Chicago-style" came from the proposed rolling stock being a mix of the streetcars and the Chicago 'L'. (13:37)
10:58 Leslie Street Spit = Tommy Thompson Park
19:56 A more serious interlining junction would use cross-platform interchanges at both stations.
Can you do up express one
great video!
I thought mentioning the 5 workers killed constructing the York Mills station could have been mentioned. Another consequence of not building the high level bridge.
Great video have ever talk about today's streetcars in Toronto if they are expanding in the future
13:35, That actually a 5-50 Series Car. Similar to the 6000s, the only thing is, they're dual powered (poles/pans and 3rd Rail) and run as single-car rather than a married pair.
i like the joke at the end with the hmmm i wonder if this has happened before?
Humanity is certain to repeat the past in an endless loop
Long awaited, great video!
What's the music at 43:35?
I had no idea that there was talk of building the Spadina segment along either Bathurst or Dufferin. I've been saying for years that they should have built the Spadina segment along Dufferin and the University section under Spadina Avenue.
The solution to congestion on the Yonge line isn’t an extension - it’s only going to exacerbate it. To provide service to Richmond Hill we should getting the Richmond Hill line included in the GO RER plan so there is frequent bidirectional electrified service rather than unidirectional service.
Been waiting for this one
Will you do any of the GO Transit Lines ?
15:38, I thought College always had brown tiles. When did the colour change to brown happen?
All stations on the yonge line (And for some reason Osgoode and St Andrew stations on the Uni line) were finished with vitrolite tiling and used the now famous (but seemingly retired) ttc color easter egg where stations one one end of the line would have the same color as another station. Vitrolite tiles were found to be suboptimal. They're pretty easily cracked and broken and so in the 80s the ttc would redo all the original yonge line stations (and St Andrew and Osgoode) with more durable ceramic tiling. For some strange reason however, the ttc did not copy the original colors/patterns and did not always use the same type of tiles. This is why a bunch of the yonge line stations given this treatment look wildly different to their original appearances. Eglinton is the only station that escaped this treatment for some reason. Some of it's vitrolite tiling was replace from removed tiles from other stations such as Queen.
www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blogto.com%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2F21%2F2017321-ttc-station-tiles-y.jpg%3Fh%3D2500%26cmd%3Dresize%26quality%3D70%26w%3D1400&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogto.com%2Fcity%2F2017%2F03%2Fttc-subway-colour-scheme%2F&tbnid=QjFi0y89kcafGM&vet=12ahUKEwjeutjjjN38AhUan3IEHWGWAzUQMygBegUIARDKAQ..i&docid=uTej2re1NlqaAM&w=1400&h=471&q=ttc%20subway%20station%20wall%20colors&ved=2ahUKEwjeutjjjN38AhUan3IEHWGWAzUQMygBegUIARDKAQ
The Vaughan Extension Opened on December 17 2017
not December 15 2017
you make very good videos
Good lord 1909-2021
Unbelievable
How do you do that thing at 8:04
Where is the music from?
The cost of postponing these project should be a lesson to governments. If much of this work had been done in the early 1900's imagine the subways we would have today!
Running the spadina subway extension through the ravine north to Eglington at grade would have been a way better idea and it would also save money. And the hoggs hollow portion between York mills and Shepoard should have been elevated. Its like the planners just want to put everything underground when they can just build it elevated to save time and money.
The 17th Of Demember 2017 was when it was Official
They Cant Now they already got 3 things being built
Line 5: Expected to Open in Late 2022. Line 6: Expected to Open in Late 2023 and a Line 2 East Extension 1 Stop to Scarborough Centre Station
The extension of the Bloor Danforth line is 3 stations, not 1
The extension of line 2 is a 3 stop and it's to Sheppard to connect with the future extension of line 4
What's in the pipeline?
WOW you mean Wellesley Station used to actually look nice??? that's not allowed anymore.
WRONG! It Was December 17TH 2017
Don't shout calm down