Radical Mycology 5-Year Anniversary: A Fly Agaric (Amanita muscaria) Round Table Discussion
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- To celebrate the five-year anniversary of the release of Peter McCoy’s book, Radical Mycology: A Treatise on Seeing and Working With Fungi (Chthaeus Press, 2016), Peter joins Kevin Feeney, Trent Austin, and Jason Salzman to discuss the most culturally significant mushroom of all time: The Fly Agaric (Amanita muscaria).
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dude, we need more vids from this channel !! please & thanks
It's so strange how something can be right under your nose and you don't see it for what it really is! I was born and raised in Wales and I'm now wondering what else was told to me that I dismissed out of vanity. Keep up the good work!
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Yes it is because the "Gauls" and primitivism was wiped out by the Roman's and those thereafter. The monotheistic mental-rational consciousness structure eradicated the magic and mythic consciousness structures. Drew Hempel and the Radical Anthropology group he cites, have a lot of info on the first modern humans originating in southern Africa, the Khoisan people. And they initiated their youth into spiritual healing training while dancing around the fire and celibate until they had a personal experience with the n'om/kundalini (which then became symbolized as the Egyptian cobra on the third eye of the gods and priests). There is an antropologist or explorer who documents the electric-like healing he had with the San peoples. His account is given in a video here on TH-cam entitled - 'The San Their Magic and Their Plants' -
Yes I often wonder if it was suppressed knowledge!
It talked about in the vedas.
A great book that talks about the relationship between ancient religions and mushrooms is "the immortality key" by brian muraresku, very in line with what Trent mentioned
I looked at the VOX interview - and the evidence is scant. There is circumstantial evidence but not much at all. Basically two pieces of evidence.
His interview with Joe Rogan is fascinating. I got the book for my son, yet to read it myself.
fungtastic. i will make offerings to Brigid....Eager to get the new book and dive in. thanks for hosting this discussion.
Interesting discussion! One critical piece missing in the Soma discussion - and in most discussions on this mushroom that i see - is Donald Teeters discovery of the fleece mold that grows on Amanitas when they are rehydrated. If Soma is Amanita Muscaria, then the mold is without doubt the second "woolen" filter and the "Fleece" the texts talk about and not just simply a wool filter to remove solids. Also the various hymns won't make sense until you take this into account. eg. "Soma grows great with food".
With your book and the book about fly agaric i had to learn to read your language.
Wonderful adventure.
Thanks for those wonderful books
Great book :) and great video. Thank you for all you do. And thank you, thank you, thank you
To round out the panel, I strongly recommend Mike Crowley, author of Secret Drugs of Buddhism. He is extremely well-versed in the ancient literature in Hinduism and Buddhism, and he is so knowledgeable about the mushrooms and their symbolism in these cultures.
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Please breathe some life into this channel again!!!
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a classic photo indeed!! Awesome.
really nice scholarship and storytelling. Thx for sharing!
Nice to see you again ❤🤘
It's easy to fall in love with you, Peter McCoy! ( I say that loosely, but at the same time, your expression of mushrooms surround Bridgid is quite intriguing to those of us who are both witchy and mycologically inclined."
Please, keep up the good work with your research...and I will keep up with mine. And I look forward to continuing the conversations going... surrounding this topic and many others.
Bless.
Good talk.
It is truly amazing that certain previous writers on the Amanita muscaria / Soma connection have not focused on preparation of the mushroom for pharmacologic purpose, since a very large percent of the Soma Hymns appear to be devoted to it. The exact same criticism could be made against certain writers on the Amanita muscaria / Alchemy connection; in fact, the most popular one publicly and vehemently opposes the theory that ‘it’s all about preparation’.
Great stuff!
tough watch, though, gotta say - sorta clunky... time got weird, like I was on shrooms....
Wow - Ground's Hog Day originated from Brigid's Day? Fascinating.
This is dialogue, nice conversation.
The lactic acid ferment reminds me of another fermentation method, I guess if you brew hard cider with MSG the yeast will convert it into GHB... Maybe a whole new line of gabaergic drugs could be priduced thru fermentation???
Interesting..
I'm very interested in all of the analog compounds they produced using muscimol and ibotenic acid as starting points. Alot of them were actually banned
It's strange how this particular mushroom is booming right now. I knew I was onto something when I ate it prepared the safe way years ago.
How did it make you feel, and did it help you with any underlying health issues? I would be interesting in hearing you story. Thanks!
Yes indeed. I've never been interested in this or really any before. Now I'm all of a sudden extremely interested in foraging for all types, but a particular interest in this specific species. Definitely feel guided in this direction😊
I made a oil from it and will put it on the tips of my hair (antana) and I feel a mild psychoactive effect of well being
i was thinking about the 3 / trinity of A. Muscaria that you mentioned @radicalmycology and i like to think of Mukhomor offering knowledge or power. so that accounts for the duality. but there is an intrinsic third party/force/perspective and that is the user/seeker. the person consuming the fly agaric fulfills the trinity and the power of the 3.
I'm wondering if there's a crossover of knowledge happening with Briga and the mistletoe and the mention of "stalks" in the Rigveda perhaps? There is a type of mistletoe that grows in India.
acidity converts the toxic. Lemon juice should work well.
I'LL get Pissed my way !
55:44 54:30 1:00:36 oyster mushrooms and reshi 1:03:30 homeopathy 1:34:27 ph
I just searched for your book on Amazon, it´s 78 Euros here.
So many great books i´d like to read are way too expensive. Some of Paul Stamets books for example are going for 800+ bucks.
I´m aware that they don´t print them anymore but c´mon man.
Scribd (Android app, USA) may be an option if it's available in your country. Currently reading 2 Stamets books on their app. Stamets also has a website where he sells his books in print, which is another option.
it might be the paper is printed with and the pictures, if you buy any other book with a lot of images will cost a lot. Bu yes, 78 euros is not affordable
Pick the mushrooms, dry them, take them to mexico, meet a good real chaman, ask them to teach you, it takes time, it's a medecine.
Mushrooms rituals have been used there since the time of Aztecas.
I want to order the Dried Amanita Muscaria Open Caps to see if it would help me with my fibromyalgia and Multiple sclerosis (currently not on any medications because nothing has helped me). I am reluctant to order it because I am not sure if it is legal or not in state of Mississippi.
Do you know if it is legal for me to buy Dried Amanita Muscaria and have it shipped to Mississippi?
It is legal in Mississippi. Google it. I'm ALMOST positive, but NOT 100% sure. I know it is NOT legal in Louisiana though. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Dry and smoke - game changer O:)
Yes, but it doesn't last as long that way. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Would boiling it in baking soda neutralize the acid?
So has anyone tried the amanita muscaria with raw milk? I’m very interested in hearing the experiences of that. I looked in the fly agaric book but I didn’t see any clear reports on experiences putting those two together, only about urine and blueberry etc. I think I will try it soon this week. What’s the point of making a commercial product when people can just try that themselves though ? I don’t think wide scale commercial products with amanita are good because of the difficulty/impossibility of cultivating it. It could put mushroom at risk
I did. It turned into yougurt like 3 days after. But I realized about it just when I throw it on the toilet to clean the vessel I used. It seemed to me that nothing happened and I WAS SO WRONG.
@@camilapereyra321 what happened? I just went to sleep and I’m scared to try more
@@MythMReality I didnt try it because when I saw it has become yogury, it was already in the toilet...
@@camilapereyra321 it’s supposed to become yoghurt, the curdling is when the bacteria are releasing the ingredients to reduce the harmful effects. Raw milk never goes bad, it just becomes like sour cream. So it’s like eating a mushroom flavoured sour cream
so what about other lactic acid ferments, e.g. raw sauerkraut? anything special about curdled milk, or any product of lacto ferment?
I do a lot of different ferments with panthers and fly agaric. I do vinegar and sauerkraut etc.. :)
@@derekfrost8991 do you have any links to recipes? I've been wanting to cook with it for awhile, It's flavor is very savory, almost reminiscent of Worcestershire sauce. I believe muscimol or ibotenic acid were originally looked into as a flavor enhancer but was abandoned for MSG.
@@mr.giggles4995 i do everything without recipes. But Heidi @Rain Country here on TH-cam has lots of stuff about vinegar, sauerkraut, fermentation starters etc etc. She doesn't speak about mushrooms but her knowledge can be applied to anything.. :)
The face of Trent is When your the only one who dressed up for the party lolol
Why is the book out of print?
How can try it ❤
So if lactobacillus can convert Ibotenic acid to muscimol what about fermenting them. Isn't this the same bacteria responsible for saurkraut and other traditional lactofermented vegetables
A yeast fermentation would probably do the same thing as milk
Russians do not 'hate' it . . . .maybe only some modern day people encountered by Jason. There is sometimes around Europe, some latent superstitions or 'old wives tales' about some plants also, that are harmless or even commonly picked as a herb in another area of Europe. . . .
Soooo... this enzyme can be found in other foods (like rice), and if you consumed lots of femented foods and raw milk - does that mean your body would covert it more IBO to MUS? There's so much consumption of fermented foods in older cultures, and pasturisation is everywhere in the western diet. Perhaps we've lost our ability to digest it with our modern diet?
Wonderng the same thing... what if I have lactobacillos and then I drink Amanita tea?
You can make a ginger bug to decarboxlyate Amanira Muscaria.
What temperature do I decarb in oven are they good to go straight after
I have no idea, but if I was to guess I'd say 140-160F, until crunchy, store at room temp until ready to use. Simmer at low boil for 20min - 3hrs. With lemon or lime juice. Maybe add ginger. Then throw it away and forget I ever told you because it is an amanita, use of a meixner test is desirable in my opinion. Why not. It's cheap and easy
@@seekcamera2638 I don't get it..why throw it away?
@@seekcamera2638IF 😅F 😅F you boil it longer than 30 minutes, you destroy the "good stuff!"
Don’t call me crazy but has anyone tried running it through a cow? Or even a goat they’re a bit better at eating various things. Would it be exposed to lactobacillus in that way? Would it be filtered in the same kind of way as urine?
" A lot of politics in mushrooms" I agree, and the irony is obvious. Is it fair to glorify a toxic mushroom while leaving out harm prevention information?
Maybe they were ilusive because TH-cam banned them?
Have you considered combining the two ideas and mixing piss with milk?
Sadly. Amanita Muscaria is not what was used in Soma. It'd be cool if it were, don't get me wrong i love mushrooms, but it doesn't withstand even light scrutiny. The Rig Veda is very clear about where the plant comes from, what it's shape is, what it tastes like raw, how to process the plant, how the drink is prepared, and what the effects of it are, and you have to do some serious mental gymnastics to make any mushroom fit. Soma was a stimulant with no psychedelic properties. The priests drank it to stay awake and pray to Indra to help in his battle against Vritra, and Indra drank it to give himself strength to defeat his enemies. The descriptions in the Rig Veda match that of a stimulant like caffeine, not a psychedelic or dissociative. Soma "quickens" the drinker, helps "subdue enemies", gives "eloquence", and "strengthens for great deeds". It is also said to "fend off sleep". It was clearly Ephedra (containing ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, the precursors to amphetamines), the same plant used in the closely related Avestan Haoma ritual of the Zoroastrians. There's no need to complicate this, the simple and obvious answer is the correct one. Also, consuming mushrooms is prohibited for Brahmins (priests), so that kind of complicates matters.
Truffles and mushrooms 🍄 were surely used in Soma, this mushroom 🍄 is Amanita and is in no way psychoactive, it’s a deliriant, no mind gym, seems very simple, one foot.
I could see the plant being tea, im not well versed on the specifics of soma in the vedas, but that sounds a lot like how the Taoist venerate tea. And back then it was probably all Assamica old tree tea 🍵 🍃🙏🏼
That makes sense too i was thinking earlier about how mushrooms are considered tamasic. I wonder if cubensis would have been considered tamasic, i doubt they would have been considering the correlation with the dung of the cow 🐄 🙏🏼 im not sure but if any mushroom were to be considered sattvic i feel it would be cubensis. Govinda Rama Hare🕉 🙏🏼
Tea is the Elixir of Life 🙏🏼🍵🍃
@@yungfrogleg yeah you're right, if any mushroom would be sattvic it would be cubensis, but if you look at how Soma was prepared and the environment the RV says it was collected from, Soma was definitely not a mushroom. I've grown and prepared mushrooms for over a decade, and the very detailed process described the RV makes absolutely no sense for mushrooms of any kind. I really don't know why people are obsessed with the idea it was a mushroom. There's really nothing in the actual text of the RV to support that idea. The Ephedra plant contains the chemical ephedrine, which is a precursor to amphetamines, and anyone who's taken MDMA or Adderall and then reads the 9th mandala will see some pretty shocking similarities between that kind of experience and what is described as the effects of Soma in the RV.
Would someone just test urine, after, please.
I think I found these but idk if they are dangerous they are peach colored and idk if they are psycho active n how to ready them but I found dead fly on them so I think they are these
Yep!
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I think the so called 'Celts' and their so called: 'Celtic migration' hypthesis can definitely be questioned - that said, Is it not safe to say, that where this mushroom grew, people used it and had it.
How they interpreted the the effect, is something they know or could say .. ..
Bring on the shrooms.
i love you guys but you must learn latin is not english, you pronounce it AMANITA MUSCARIA, not AMANAITA MASKERIA. It's the mushhroom we all love, maybe let's just call ita mukkhomor
that social sciences teacher sure says uh a lot
True, but he has a LOT of valuable information. We MUST take the good with the bad, right? 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Well lol hormesis is only a memory of amarita muscaria, lol
I don’t want to like the video because it’s at exactly 666! 🎉
Given the irrefutable identification with Soma and the sour milk preparation i have to believe one of you adventurous men have tried it personally. No???
Look at Amanita Dreamers page
Its a toadstool! Not a mushroom. And you call yourself a mycologist
Not on instagram, do you have a web site?
You don't know what you are uttering. Paul Stamets says it is a mushroom. Therefore, it IS A MUSHROOM.
I cringed a little bit when he said "homeopathy is very interesting" because with homeopathy you may as well just sip on some water (he did stop short of saying he thinks homeopathy is at all effective though)
sorry, I just cant uuuuh..... you know, uh......... listen to uuuuuuh.........HIM anymore. UUUUUUUUUUUH (made it to 40th minute though)
I hear you. These people know nothing about public speaking. I attend some toastmasters meetings and when you presented they would count the number of times someone utters useless words and sounds like uuuuh. Most people are completely unaware of how many times they use these stalling devices. Better to just shut up and have a few seconds of silence.
They are full of information though. We have to take the food with the bad. 🤷🏻♀️
it tastes nasty - just admit it.