Mel is correct, it's usually not so straight forward as language A originated the word with meaning X, and language B adopted it. So it must directly come from the community of language A speakers and means X. Certainly examples like the above do exist. But the conclusion can only be drawn after a lot of research. And the more a word is used an ambiguous sense, the more difficult it becomes to trace. The words rabb رب meaning 'LORD' and hud هود meaning 'Jew' are examples where the only occurrences with these meanings are from Himyar roughly a century prior to the Quran, anywhere. So these must be borrowed from there. But it is still not clear how they exactly got into the Quran. But raḥman رحمن meaning 'merciful' or 'compassionate', as said of G-d, could be borrowed from either Hebrew, Aramaic, or Sabaic. There is no way to tell. And it could be either Jewish or Christian. Though if we look at the frequency of use by religious communities prior to the Quran, it's more likely borrowed from a Jewish community. But we cannot be certain. Ṣammad صمد is even more difficult. Because by no means is it a clear Aramaic or Hebrew borrowing. Since it is attested in various Ancient North Arabian languages hundreds of years prior to the Quran. The pre-Quranic ANA usage is too ambiguous to pin it down to one specific meaning. But it seems to relate to sacrifices, so it could mean something like 'sacrifical altar', from the meaning 'bound' since sacrifical animals were usually bound, but other meanings from ANA are certainly possible. Or the Quran could refer to the Aramaic meaning. It's difficult to tell from a hapax, without much context. References to the moon are all over Jewdaism, for various reasons, but mostly for time keeping. But it's also Messianic. Sanhedrin 37a:3 "...this teaches that the Sanhedrin is similar to the moon [sahar]. The court sits in a semicircle, like the shape of the moon." Pesachim 68a:16 "...Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days... it is referring to the World-to-Come, which is an entirely different world; while there, where it says that their light will increase, it is referring to the days of the Messiah." Pesachim 68a:16: "The Gemara asks: And according to the opinion of Shmuel, who said that there is no difference between this world and the days of the Messiah except for subjugation to foreign kingdoms..." R. Tudela: "Our Lord, light of submission (Islam) and glory of our Torah teaching." With these and other Talmudic passages in mind Q54:1-4 maybe a messianic miracle. The Sanhedrin is the moon, and this is what was split, due to a Messianic figure. And the moon light of the Sunnah could be the messianic light.
funny, in Israel the surname Hajaj is very common among people of Yemeni origin. when i was a kid a neighboring village to me was mostly Yemeni population and almost everyone's last name was Hajaj, we used to call it Hajaj Village lol
33:20 Tawhid means unification (a form in the Arabic root wahada) btw Ehad is NOT Arabic, I believe that is stolen from the Jews (too) The Arabic word for 1 = Waahid
This observation is factually accurate. The earliest mosques' qiblas (prayer directions) point to Petra, not Mecca. This includes the Al-Aqsa mosque and several others built during the first century of Islam. 1. This archaeological evidence contradicts traditional Islamic narratives about Mecca being Islam's original holy city 2. The Petra orientation suggests Islam's early sacred center was different from what is claimed in later Islamic traditions 3. This physical evidence supports historical arguments that Islam's origins differ from conventional accounts This finding aligns with other archaeological and historical evidence suggesting significant discrepancies between traditional Islamic historical accounts and physical historical evidence. This is a fundamental challenge to traditional Islamic historiography and raises questions about the standard narrative of Islam's origins.
Relevant as the Petra direction is, to me the most interesting part of Dan Gibson's thesis is the Qiblah walls in North Africa and the Iberian peninsula. When you look at those you see clearly that praying in an Islamic-approved direction (Petra or Mecca) was not believed to be a command from God until later, because those Qiblah walls don't even face in the general direction of the Middle East. If they thought that praying in the direction of the black stone was a command from God, they would not have dared to get creative with their mosques.
Unliterate Prophet in the quran is incorrect understanding..actual understanding should be considered is or should be "Son of blessed Mother" Standard Islamic narrative is a big B S.
Isn’t Salman the Persian also known as Salman al-Farisi (Pharisee yup) and the 37th Mar Zutran Exilarch and brother of Nehemiah Ben Hushiel? Both known as the MHMD? I think I read this in AJ deus paper the Ants move to Ramallah.
I saw that on Mel's channel and it certainly fits. If I remember correctly, al-Tabari mentions that some people called Salman a different name, so possibly the stories they recorded about Salman are also a composite of a number of people rolled into one (just like with Muhammad), i.e.: a Persian military commander, a Pharisee preacher of sorts etc rolled into one character they've recorded as "Salman"
And the Salman swims upstream! Sorry terrible pun 😅😂 Good work and praise LORD for the truth and Light of Jesus Christ will not remain hidden forever!❤
One of Dan Gibson's qibla assertions that would be easy to check is that the Cordoba Mosque qibla points in a direction parallel to a line between Petra and Mecca.
Were are the other text the 12 disciples wrote in greek Aramaic Latin lots of different languages. Mohammed was from north Arabia Arabic did not become a major language for another 3 centuries in Arabia well after his death. So Mohamed must of spoken Syriac or Levant so must his followers were is the original text from his preaching as it would of been written in the language he spoke so did his followers. which was not Arabic were are they.
Some great minds firing off each other keep going lads
Mel on a note of caution
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Mel is correct, it's usually not so straight forward as language A originated the word with meaning X, and language B adopted it. So it must directly come from the community of language A speakers and means X.
Certainly examples like the above do exist. But the conclusion can only be drawn after a lot of research.
And the more a word is used an ambiguous sense, the more difficult it becomes to trace.
The words rabb رب meaning 'LORD' and hud هود meaning 'Jew' are examples where the only occurrences with these meanings are from Himyar roughly a century prior to the Quran, anywhere. So these must be borrowed from there. But it is still not clear how they exactly got into the Quran.
But raḥman رحمن meaning 'merciful' or 'compassionate', as said of G-d, could be borrowed from either Hebrew, Aramaic, or Sabaic. There is no way to tell. And it could be either Jewish or Christian. Though if we look at the frequency of use by religious communities prior to the Quran, it's more likely borrowed from a Jewish community. But we cannot be certain.
Ṣammad صمد is even more difficult. Because by no means is it a clear Aramaic or Hebrew borrowing. Since it is attested in various Ancient North Arabian languages hundreds of years prior to the Quran. The pre-Quranic ANA usage is too ambiguous to pin it down to one specific meaning. But it seems to relate to sacrifices, so it could mean something like 'sacrifical altar', from the meaning 'bound' since sacrifical animals were usually bound, but other meanings from ANA are certainly possible. Or the Quran could refer to the Aramaic meaning. It's difficult to tell from a hapax, without much context.
References to the moon are all over Jewdaism, for various reasons, but mostly for time keeping. But it's also Messianic.
Sanhedrin 37a:3 "...this teaches that the Sanhedrin is similar to the moon [sahar]. The court sits in a semicircle, like the shape of the moon."
Pesachim 68a:16 "...Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days... it is referring to the World-to-Come, which is an entirely different world; while there, where it says that their light will increase, it is referring to the days of the Messiah."
Pesachim 68a:16: "The Gemara asks: And according to the opinion of Shmuel, who said that there is no difference between this world and the days of the Messiah except for subjugation to foreign kingdoms..."
R. Tudela: "Our Lord, light of submission (Islam) and glory of our Torah teaching."
With these and other Talmudic passages in mind Q54:1-4 maybe a messianic miracle. The Sanhedrin is the moon, and this is what was split, due to a Messianic figure. And the moon light of the Sunnah could be the messianic light.
funny, in Israel the surname Hajaj is very common among people of Yemeni origin. when i was a kid a neighboring village to me was mostly Yemeni population and almost everyone's last name was Hajaj, we used to call it Hajaj Village lol
I passed that on to the guys for their thoughts. Thanks for the info!
33:20 Tawhid means unification (a form in the Arabic root wahada)
btw Ehad is NOT Arabic, I believe that is stolen from the Jews (too)
The Arabic word for 1 = Waahid
Jay Smith talks about the quiblah on the oldests mosques point to Petra. Is this accurate and if so, how is it relevant?
This observation is factually accurate. The earliest mosques' qiblas (prayer directions) point to Petra, not Mecca. This includes the Al-Aqsa mosque and several others built during the first century of Islam.
1. This archaeological evidence contradicts traditional Islamic narratives about Mecca being Islam's original holy city
2. The Petra orientation suggests Islam's early sacred center was different from what is claimed in later Islamic traditions
3. This physical evidence supports historical arguments that Islam's origins differ from conventional accounts
This finding aligns with other archaeological and historical evidence suggesting significant discrepancies between traditional Islamic historical accounts and physical historical evidence.
This is a fundamental challenge to traditional Islamic historiography and raises questions about the standard narrative of Islam's origins.
Relevant as the Petra direction is, to me the most interesting part of Dan Gibson's thesis is the Qiblah walls in North Africa and the Iberian peninsula. When you look at those you see clearly that praying in an Islamic-approved direction (Petra or Mecca) was not believed to be a command from God until later, because those Qiblah walls don't even face in the general direction of the Middle East. If they thought that praying in the direction of the black stone was a command from God, they would not have dared to get creative with their mosques.
@@LloydDeJongh Petra is still an incredible architectural achievement. I can't imagine how awe-inspiring it would have been 1500 years ago.
Unliterate Prophet in the quran is incorrect understanding..actual understanding should be considered is or should be "Son of blessed Mother" Standard Islamic narrative is a big B S.
It is Christians who, until recently, referred to Islam as Muhammedism.
Isn’t Salman the Persian also known as Salman al-Farisi (Pharisee yup) and the 37th Mar Zutran Exilarch and brother of Nehemiah Ben Hushiel? Both known as the MHMD? I think I read this in AJ deus paper the Ants move to Ramallah.
Don’t you hate spell check! * the 37th Mar Zutran Exilarch.
I saw that on Mel's channel and it certainly fits. If I remember correctly, al-Tabari mentions that some people called Salman a different name, so possibly the stories they recorded about Salman are also a composite of a number of people rolled into one (just like with Muhammad), i.e.: a Persian military commander, a Pharisee preacher of sorts etc rolled into one character they've recorded as "Salman"
And the Salman swims upstream!
Sorry terrible pun 😅😂
Good work and praise LORD for the truth and Light of Jesus Christ will not remain hidden forever!❤
Himyarite kingdom
One of Dan Gibson's qibla assertions that would be easy to check is that the Cordoba Mosque qibla points in a direction parallel to a line between Petra and Mecca.
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Read Daniel chapter 10: 11: 35, 40, ) the false prophet Mahamad Honors Gold and silver . With a Strange god Allah 👺.
Avi Lipkin book/dvd return to mecca and case for mecca
Were are the other text the 12 disciples wrote in greek Aramaic Latin lots of different languages. Mohammed was from north Arabia Arabic did not become a major language for another 3 centuries in Arabia well after his death. So Mohamed must of spoken Syriac or Levant so must his followers were is the original text from his preaching as it would of been written in the language he spoke so did his followers. which was not Arabic were are they.