Steve, I do a lot of PMs and service calls on those York furnace models, one of the worst furnaces out there, I’ve found the easiest way to clean the flame rod is to just pull the whole burner box out and clean the burners while your in there keep up the good work
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engineers of all trades should have to do at least 1 year in the field. i guarantee things would be much more user friendly. i am a licensed electrician, i have seen it all just like you Steven.
I’m a commercial hvac tech in Albany ny, and I couldn’t agree more. Time after time engineers continue to make a design equipment that is extremely difficult to service and repair. If they did a five year apprenticeship like the rest of us tradesmen they certainly would do things differently.
I completely understand where you're coming from however don't lay all the blame on the engineers. Engineers work for bean counters, so one of the engineers primarily design goals is always cost. Which means minimizing materials used and ease of assembly, which, as you can see, is very different from ease of disassembly.
The company I work for installs a lot of Coleman furnaces that are 90 plus which is exactly the same thing as those Yorks. I just have a ratcheting socket wrench with a quarter inch end on it and that tends to be the best but sometimes I just take the inducer off to get to it with a longer quarter inch bit that I can attach to my drill and that'll take me at most 5 minutes to do. Those inducers are not hard to take off and put back on
on LP with York it is recommended to bring fresh air through side panels instead of directly over top of the burners, cuts down on burner corrosion and seems to help reduce buildup on flame sensor. I also have a flexible shaft screw driver with a 1/4 socket that works well in removing those problem sensors
Hey Steve, Klein makes a mini ratchet to get into small spaces like that. I use it almost every time I come across the 90% Bryant's that's no so Tech friendly
I've always said the guys that design stuff should be made to repair them too as part of their training. I would bet they would re-think some of the designs.
I worked in X-Ray installation and repair, CT and MRI for over 40 years. I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve had a few in the field explaining “their” issues. Not many cared.
Love my carrier. Lots of room to get around without tearing the furnace apart. Engineers should be made to service these in the field, before they are allowed to bring a design to market.
Great job! Glad I got rid of my York POS. What a money pit to keep running for only 11 yrs. combustion blower, two ECM fan motors, and the clincher was heat exchanger failure.
I use a flexible extension on a ratchet or screwdriver with the quarter in socket for those with Carrier train York Works pretty good keep up the good work Steve
Steve, any thoughts on maybe a small battery ratchet for a situation like that? Seems that may have got you in there. Keep up the good work buddy and happy new year!
Whenever i work on a Yawk furnace like that, its faster for me to take out the gas pipe then Fark around with trying to get in there for the flame sensor. Once the gas pipe is out, easy peazee
On the older 9600 series Napoleon furnaces , once you disconnect the gas line, the manifold / gas valve are held in with 4 screws to burner box. Grab the cordless and zip zip. Lots of room. It's hard to see if the York manifold would be as quick to pull out.
I like to wire the LPCO into the thermostat circuit or the pressure switch circuit not the flame sensor, wired pressure switch throws PS error on board, wired into the thermostat unit wont start on call for heat, all means to the same end avoiding the unit turning on with low LP pressure.. I'd be worried it's losing uA through the LPCO with it in the flame sensor circuit.
i have a micro ratchet that fits a 1/4 inch driver bits i can usually get in there with that and get it out without removing the gas. i work on quite a few yorks. is it on propane? that looks like a low pressure cut off i have seen something like that on a propane set up before. i think that one ran through the limit circuit though.
You know how appliances have energy ratings on them, maybe they should have repair ratings on them. What do you think ?? Edit: Call it the pain in the ass repair rating.
@@MC414 Yes, every hvac guy could rate based on their top five repairs. Maybe manufactures would see this and change their design to be easier to service.
Always hated the design of some of the Yorks like this with the pvc pipe, I've always loosened the bolts connected to the pvc pipe then took my big flat head and pried it to the right and then remove all bolts to the burner box and it all comes out without taking about the gas line.
next time I suggest breaking the union and removing the four screws that hold the burner manifold in place, will allow you to move the manifold and pressure switch out of the way and give you room to access the sensor, this stuff hasn't gotten any easier to service over the years but ya can't shoot the engineers even if so inclined some days
Hello Steve, what brand gas boiler seems to be the most reliable on the market today? I have to replace my old Kenmore (Dunkirk) 3 burner due to rust issues
My furnace take about 5 minutes to remove and reinstall. That's a silly design, I would be tempted to just put a new sensor in instead of just cleaning it.
I’ve never installed a York before now I know why. We have a company in Methuen on the border of New Hampshire prestige heating and cooling. Tell the young guys to watch your videos.
Back in the 80’s, my coworker used to swear by York. I priced a York system once for a friend and Johnson Supply gave me an astronomical quote so high that I couldn’t believe the price.
That little switch with the purple wires comes with the source 1 LP kit for these furnaces and it's just to shut it down if the tank gets low... Pretty neat idea but I'm not a fan of the way they make you hook into the flame sensor like that either, however that is the manufacturers instructions haha
So stupid how things have to be taken apart to access something that is a known part that needs cleaning or replacing often. Something like this would normally be only a 5 minute, if that job. The pencil pushing engineers! Oh wait, they don't use pencils anymore! LoL!
Parents had once installed just over a year ago in FL. It's already needed the control board replaced. I told them York's were junk, but the place that installs them is the only one in the area with a good reputation in their 55+ community. The rest have all scammed/tried to scam the elderly residents at some point. They were willing to roll the dice since the warranty coveres parts and labor for 10 years.
Once upon a time, Management subscribed to the "dogfooding" methodology of holding designers accountable by making them use their own products. Nowadays with planned obsolescence, it's the opposite with the "eat our children" methodology of making it impossible to service / get parts for anything after the warranty expires.
Steve, I do a lot of PMs and service calls on those York furnace models, one of the worst furnaces out there, I’ve found the easiest way to clean the flame rod is to just pull the whole burner box out and clean the burners while your in there keep up the good work
Low Pressure LP gas sensor. Shuts down unit on low LP gas pressure/low propane tank level to prevent flame rollout
@@MichaelAnderson-py1ej I've never ran across that contraption on ANY LP conversion kit and I've converted a lot brands.
Steve you sir, are a master of your craft. Enjoy watching your videos !
Glad you enjoy it!
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engineers of all trades should have to do at least 1 year in the field. i guarantee things would be much more user friendly. i am a licensed electrician, i have seen it all just like you Steven.
I’m a commercial hvac tech in Albany ny, and I couldn’t agree more. Time after time engineers continue to make a design equipment that is extremely difficult to service and repair. If they did a five year apprenticeship like the rest of us tradesmen they certainly would do things differently.
when you think you seen it all something else pops up lol
@@stevenlavimoniere LOL you got that right brother!!
I completely understand where you're coming from however don't lay all the blame on the engineers. Engineers work for bean counters, so one of the engineers primarily design goals is always cost. Which means minimizing materials used and ease of assembly, which, as you can see, is very different from ease of disassembly.
@@danwittels5542 you are right, it should be part of the Universities curriculum
She is so adorable what a great dog she is young miss Molly. Your a great daddy to her God Bless you Steve
The company I work for installs a lot of Coleman furnaces that are 90 plus which is exactly the same thing as those Yorks. I just have a ratcheting socket wrench with a quarter inch end on it and that tends to be the best but sometimes I just take the inducer off to get to it with a longer quarter inch bit that I can attach to my drill and that'll take me at most 5 minutes to do. Those inducers are not hard to take off and put back on
Got her fixed up ... Miss Molly looking dapper today ... Thx ...
on LP with York it is recommended to bring fresh air through side panels instead of directly over top of the burners, cuts down on burner corrosion and seems to help reduce buildup on flame sensor. I also have a flexible shaft screw driver with a 1/4 socket that works well in removing those problem sensors
I'd go with York furnace but not the Affinity condenser unit I prefer the RHEEM PRESTIGE IMPERIAL 96% and the matching outdoor unit.
Hey Steve, Klein makes a mini ratchet to get into small spaces like that. I use it almost every time I come across the 90% Bryant's that's no so Tech friendly
I've always said the guys that design stuff should be made to repair them too as part of their training.
I would bet they would re-think some of the designs.
I worked in X-Ray installation and repair, CT and MRI for over 40 years. I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve had a few in the field explaining “their” issues. Not many cared.
if they knew how to repair them, they wouldn't be designing them...
Love my carrier. Lots of room to get around without tearing the furnace apart. Engineers should be made to service these in the field, before they are allowed to bring a design to market.
nothing better than coming back to the truck with a happy pup waiting for you. nice fix
A union in the cabinet top notch installer!
The gas pressure switch safety should be wired in series with the pressure usually. Never seen it in series with the flame sensor
York instructions say to wire inline with the flame sensor, which would signal either a failure to light, or lack of fuel, which makes sense.
That sure was a lot of work to get to that flame rod!!!!!
Great job! Glad I got rid of my York POS. What a money pit to keep running for only 11 yrs. combustion blower, two ECM fan motors, and the clincher was heat exchanger failure.
and WHO love new technology i dont i see your point on what your saying all that BS is just CRAP 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
It's a shame because the diamond series york was the best condensing furnace ever made.
@@THESNAKE8 My Diamond 90 is 25 years old and still running like a champ.
I use a flexible extension on a ratchet or screwdriver with the quarter in socket for those with Carrier train York Works pretty good keep up the good work Steve
Hello from the great state of Michigan
Steve, you are always a professional. Thank you for your awesome videos just wish i had a guy like you down here in CT!
Glad you like them!
Good afternoon Steve and Miss Molly. You da man!!
Steve, any thoughts on maybe a small battery ratchet for a situation like that? Seems that may have got you in there. Keep up the good work buddy and happy new year!
You have to rebuild the whole thing to clean the flame sensor. Lol. Crazy. Thanks for the upload!
Whenever i work on a Yawk furnace like that, its faster for me to take out the gas pipe then Fark around with trying to get in there for the flame sensor. Once the gas pipe is out, easy peazee
On the older 9600 series Napoleon furnaces , once you disconnect the gas line, the manifold / gas valve are held in with 4 screws to burner box. Grab the cordless and zip zip. Lots of room. It's hard to see if the York manifold would be as quick to pull out.
Great another flame rod video.
If it never turns on, its definitely 90 plus.
That's technically correct. The best kind of correct.
Jet Clamp It. Haha, new prop! Set it up. :-)
There is always time for games and play. My four rescues are the best.
All dogs are the best.
I like to wire the LPCO into the thermostat circuit or the pressure switch circuit not the flame sensor, wired pressure switch throws PS error on board, wired into the thermostat unit wont start on call for heat, all means to the same end avoiding the unit turning on with low LP pressure.. I'd be worried it's losing uA through the LPCO with it in the flame sensor circuit.
Great idea, real easy to loose the signal/micamps thru a swtch.
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again y’all. 👍👍
Good job Steve.
i have a micro ratchet that fits a 1/4 inch driver bits i can usually get in there with that and get it out without removing the gas. i work on quite a few yorks. is it on propane? that looks like a low pressure cut off i have seen something like that on a propane set up before. i think that one ran through the limit circuit though.
1/4 ratchet combination wrench gets back there takes some time but it’s doable.
Nice work
The worst part trying to get that flame sensor back in is when you drop the screw between the collector box.
Use a right angle nut driver attachment.
I use a right angle adapter w an extension to my drill in this heater all the time.
Happy New Year Steve 2022
York is the worst, I Carry a fernco for when I have to cut out the PVC pipe. Takes an hour of pure hell to just clean a flame sensor real shit show
Steve get yourself a nice right angle attachment it will do wonders
Great job as usual, Thx !!
What are more user friendly units? Would Rheem be one? That and Lennox is all they install over here
SAFETY ON TOP OF SAFETY ONE MORE THING TO GO OUT!
just gotta love those weird American heaters! (compared to what we've got here)
She’s a pile a Yawk mama crusty as the grinch!!! Lol
Wow! They made you work for that! At least she wasn't a crusty beast.
Steve what’s the worst burn or random injury you’ve ever had on the job?
You know how appliances have energy ratings on them, maybe they should have repair ratings on them. What do you think ??
Edit: Call it the pain in the ass repair rating.
That a great idea! Like SEER Rating, difficult to repair rating.
Makes sense Bro Tech 😬
@@MC414 Yes, every hvac guy could rate based on their top five repairs.
Maybe manufactures would see this and change their design to be easier to service.
IFixit gives hardware repairability scores. Exactly what you are suggesting but for computers, tablets, phones, etc.
@@kurtdikkers7659 That's great now they should add hvac to their site.
What’s the pressure switch line coming down the intake too the collector box for? Is it monitoring LP bottle pressure?
This is exactly how every tech sounds when they encounter one of these lol. Lennox has a couple of beauties too.
Always hated the design of some of the Yorks like this with the pvc pipe, I've always loosened the bolts connected to the pvc pipe then took my big flat head and pried it to the right and then remove all bolts to the burner box and it all comes out without taking about the gas line.
Seems like all these new furnace break down a lot.
Hello Steve!
Hey Miss Molly !!!
next time I suggest breaking the union and removing the four screws that hold the burner manifold in place, will allow you to move the manifold and pressure switch out of the way and give you room to access the sensor, this stuff hasn't gotten any easier to service over the years but ya can't shoot the engineers even if so inclined some days
Hey steve, I’m new to HVAC just graduated. I’m working at this company just doing maintenance. Any advice?
Hello Steve, what brand gas boiler seems to be the most reliable on the market today? I have to replace my old Kenmore (Dunkirk) 3 burner due to rust issues
gotta go Burnham best boilers around
is that a tube in the intake pipe? what
York. Used to be a good brand. Back in the day.
Check the micro amps. .5 is the minimum
The flame sensor may be hard to reach only because the furnace was designed to be maintenance free. LOL
Just give the flame censor the old reach around…
Hey Steve do you have any certifications? Would like to learn the trade and trying to figure out the best way to go about it.
The main problem is on the name, York. I had one and made Lemonade it!
Engineer's they can screw up a wet dream Momma!
Come on Steve you have to embrace the technology. Lol!
Like performing surgery - you gotta dig deep sometimes
My furnace take about 5 minutes to remove and reinstall. That's a silly design, I would be tempted to just put a new sensor in instead of just cleaning it.
As a safety thing i would remove mollys leash when she is in the truck alone so it doesn't get caught up and choke her ........
Miss molly is so cute I take my dog to work to
Mines liebheer crane maintenance dog 🐕 lol
I’ve never installed a York before now I know why. We have a company in Methuen on the border of New Hampshire prestige heating and cooling. Tell the young guys to watch your videos.
york are junk
Back in the 80’s, my coworker used to swear by York. I priced a York system once for a friend and Johnson Supply gave me an astronomical quote so high that I couldn’t believe the price.
York was pretty solid stuff,that is until Johnson Controls bought them
It’s like working on a engine removing parts to get to a part lol
It fired right up when Steve wiggled both wires on the LP gas low pressure switch 🤷♂️ 4:17
How would that delay the gas valve opening when it is on the flame sensor circuit?
@@1768ify I know…maybe it was just a coincidence but it clearly fired up when he wiggled both terminals…
Carrier, York and Lennox are famous for making flame sensors a pain in the ass to get to.
Yea, a guy should have to remove the gas piping to clean a flame sensor wtf. I did one once what a time bandit. Embrace the technology
Once the union was off 4 screws you could have pulled the whole manifold off.
Cmon guy buy some proper tools now don’t get me wrong this guy is a great tech but I’d have that flame sensor out in seconds
5 minutes to clean the part four hours to get to it genius right. Looked like she was going to drive off and leave you there. LOL
That little switch with the purple wires comes with the source 1 LP kit for these furnaces and it's just to shut it down if the tank gets low... Pretty neat idea but I'm not a fan of the way they make you hook into the flame sensor like that either, however that is the manufacturers instructions haha
No yorks for me yikes 😳 or tranes either 😱
It sucks ass replacing the burners on that model furnace.
So stupid how things have to be taken apart to access something that is a known part that needs cleaning or replacing often. Something like this would normally be only a 5 minute, if that job. The pencil pushing engineers! Oh wait, they don't use pencils anymore! LoL!
Yorks are the worst, regret every one I've ever installed
Parents had once installed just over a year ago in FL. It's already needed the control board replaced. I told them York's were junk, but the place that installs them is the only one in the area with a good reputation in their 55+ community. The rest have all scammed/tried to scam the elderly residents at some point. They were willing to roll the dice since the warranty coveres parts and labor for 10 years.
That one is on the right the model that is on the left is even worse
Designed for purpose not for repair.
JCI ruined York
Once upon a time, Management subscribed to the "dogfooding" methodology of holding designers accountable by making them use their own products.
Nowadays with planned obsolescence, it's the opposite with the "eat our children" methodology of making it impossible to service / get parts for anything after the warranty expires.
York is the worst ever