The Test Cricket Debate: Is it Massively Overrated?🤔| Bumble & Kimber
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talkSPORT's Cricket editor and presenter Jon Norman sits down with the legendary David 'Bumble' Lloyd and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
In today's episode, Bumble and Kimber discuss whether Test Cricket is overrated and whether it should be moved to four-day matches instead of five.
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6:04 it was Kusal Perera not Mendis. Although tbf it proves his point further!! 😂
This isn't a debate. Test cricket is THE format.
Yeah 'The format' that is loss making.
Actually the only loss making format
But the problem is only 3-4 teams are taking the format seriously
Correct analysis mate
@KingsMan-tk1uz England home tests definitely don't lose money. Tickets are quite expensive and tv ratings quite high. Indians need to look at tv footage of their home tests in the past. Even only 20 years ago at somewhere like Eden Gardens they could get a packed stadium. 40 Years ago Ranji Trophy finals used to get packed stadiums. There's a trend amongst younger generations to pretend that Indians have never liked test cricket, this was not always the case.
@@TheOfficialEmirati yes England home tests don't lose money agreed.
Talking about 20 years prior test cricket was the only option other than Odis. There was no T20 cricket back then. If we Let the free market decide, T20 cricket is the best currently.
Most importantly only 3 nations cant be playing test cricket. What about others. No other nation actually makes any money from Test.
As someone who loves test cricket, there are some valid points here. Last year, New Zealand beat England by 1 run after being forced to follow on. But because this match was played in New Zealand everyone has forgotten the match.
1. Test Cricket
2. 50 Over
3. T20
Always that order
@fitzroy7054 in the modern day t20 is better than ODI, they have made ODI absolutely redundant/useless.
@@TheOfficialEmirati agree. Apart from icc tournaments. Odi should not be played that much.
True cricket fans never forget anything
Some fellas talking about 3/4 days Test cricket- 40 overs ODI format is all rubbish because if this changes implemented then after a while this fellas will say 'test cricket of two days ' and 'ODI format is irrelevant so stop it '- whare will it stop!
Every sport has their own spectators. Cricket fans will watch cricket and by cricket I meant the real game/ format. Who doesn't develop their taste according to this sport _ they can/should move on from cricket- no problem in it.
Bottom eight test nations should distribute some percentage of tickets to government school's students》 hope BCCI will take this sort of step in Indian stadiums for the real format.
Test cricket is the best format by a mile ! Needs to be marketed at a younger audience
Dk man.. I get the real test of grit and perseverance part but 5 days are a lot for a match
I would not allow batsmen to use helmets, keep the 2 bouncer per over rule. This will equalize batting and bowling. A younger audience would love to see batsmen getting hit and some blood wouldn't be so bad. MMA and F1 draws huge audiences For many decades batsmen batted with caps against bowlers just as fast if not faster. Tyson, Lillee, Thompson,Wes Hall, Fred Trueman, Mike Proctor and they also played on uncovered pitches for a while. Why has no one suggested this? It will revive test cricket I think and has for school and other levels different balls could be used that would be less harmful
I have watched test matches of all teams. The 2018-19 BGT, Headingly, Kushal mendis, BGT 2020. India tour of England 2021. West indies tour of Australia last year. England tour of India this. I remember vividly every event tgat happened in those tests. But can't even remember any white ball games before 2024
you have a lot of time on your hands.. not everyone has that and even if they have, they have better things to do..
There's no way you can't recall the 2019 world cup win.
@@zawadsadaf9194 I didn't watch most of it.
A cricketer is primarily judged based on their test career.
As a person recently immigrated to Australia from India, I can see the importance given for test cricket by people here. They just love the summer when some country tours here.
The Boxing Day test in Melbourne huge just huge. Last year it was Pakistan and it has got good audience everywhere, even though matches ended one sided. This year will be a blockbuster summer here as India visits and I have already booked for Boxing Day through pre sale in MCG. Ashes and recent India series will go another level here in Australia. Last year I was sitting next to man living in the countryside 3 hrs far from Melbourne who never missed any Boxing Day test in his last 30 years. That’s the level of passion here some fans give for summer tests cricket. Put some sunscreen on, have some beer and fish and chips and watching a Boxing Day test - I got that feel straight away.
I have went for a big bash game. Conducted in a very entertaining way. Lot of DJ, fireworks. I can clearly see the crowd difference. More young kids, casual fans. Different but very necessary for the game.
I am sure these 2 will survive. Test and T20 is the future. I enjoyed Odi World Cup but I can’t see a future. May be I am wrong.
Great comment. I’m a US Cricket fan who’s followed the sport off and on for a few years, got to finally see my first both professional and international match today - Ireland vs Canada at the T20 World Cup. It wasn’t particularly competitive, but it was a load of fun. Cricket isn’t my top sport, but it is fascinating and engaging to me. I would love to go to a day of Test Cricket in Australia, India or England at some point in my life.
@@wyattmund9286 It’s great mate. As you said the Ashes or Border-Gavaskar series will be your best bet. You will enjoy it for sure. If you have only one day to give for the match I will recommend you 3 rd or 2nd day. Most probably you can see both teams batting and bowling. 3 rd day is called as ‘moving day’ and most like the decisive turn happens.
ODI is boring AF
Kusal Perera
Tests definitely have the low moments but for me the ashes last year showed why it’s the best. It’s more like a tv drama than a sport, it’s all about storylines, form and outrageous moments. Even Carey getting a hair cut (was national news. As a massive football fan there’s nothing like it.
On the point of Headingly and South Africa vs Sri Lanka Series, there was another match Between India vs Australia, Rishabh Pant single handedly Drew the test match in Sydney, and that led to an amazing 4th test match at Gaba, its all about these moments people remember.
Jarrord Kimber surprisingly such a bright guy... Didnt expect that, when he was doing comedy duo with Cricinfo... What a great insight to his arguments 🤗
Try expanding the game with test cricket? Not possible.
Try to fill crowds for test matches except India, Australia, England? Not possible.
Try running test cricket on its own financially? Not possible. Even India has to compensate for test cricket from money earned through other formats.
Try to pay cricketers on par with other international sports without taking any money out of earnings from T20 cricket?
Not possible.
Ask the broadcasters will they pay more for a 1 test match than a 3 match t20 or even Odi series? They won't.
Ask West Indies, Pakistan, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc about whether a test match is actually financially profitable for them. It isn't for most cricket boards.
Many English counties are struggling for finances Today.
If a format is loss making you can pretty much say that it isnt much popular, and those who say that test cricket is real cricket are either very small in number or Are only mouth works that don't aren't really committed. The truth is
Most people that really love test cricket actually follow the score most of the time. Is it possible to watch every ball for a majority of people on working days. It's not. Think about the broadcaster then. T20 matches even on working days are no issue because they are scheduled at evening/night.
Well said.
Even having these discussions/debates help in the slow-poisoning of test cricket
4 day test matches will probably cause more draws, it's hard enough getting a result in 450 overs sometimes when the pitches are so dead, let alone 400 overs. And teams that are completely out of it will find it easier to block out for a draw because they'll have less overs to survive.
Also 100 overs in a day is only really achievable in England, the daylight hours won't allow that in the subcontinent and the Carribean
turn the lights on maybe
Test cricket is the pinnacle of cricket and should take priority over any other part of the game
Franchise cricket needs to learn this and not to stick its noise in trying to take over
Then the so called pinnacle of cricket my friend is loss making, does not/can not pay well to players, not desirable to broadcaster, can not fill stadiums and most importantly subsidized by T20 cricket.
Looks more like you are making the Noise from your perch and Franchise cricket is working silently to win this contest. 🙂
Test cricket has its loyal customers and they will be there till it is exciting and open to all nations. Best is a matter of personal choice but obviously if you are asking what is best in the world, you would obviously have to see how many people watch Fantasy cricket, T20 Cricket and see that it is better. Now, don't cry out saying that it is not about quantity but quality because again for you the contest between two specific teams or specific moments in the test cricket game would be quality, but for T20 fans the moments of quality that they define are different. People are equal and their opinions are equal and anyone in today's world thinks otherwise, is just a bigot and is actually afraid inside their mind to accept the truth.
Bcz of poor third world asian fans dominance who has less brain on the game and I am sure India is poor in T20 and good in test. Cannot wait they will cost another T20 wc.@@KingsMan-tk1uz
@@KingsMan-tk1uz
You have obviously never watched test cricket in England or Australia then the stadiums are always full
So full you can only get tickets for lords and the oval by ballot process
@@CricketEngland you are talking about England v Australia, yes the crowds are full. England still pulls decent crowd for test Matches. In Australia only England and India matches attract decent crowds. Other than look at recent South Africa, Pakistan or West Indies tours of Australia. In India, Test Matches are able to manage less than half capacity crowds for most series. Other than this three nations, no other board actually makes any money from test cricket. The crowd can be counted on fingertips.
So if only 3 nations playing with each other is the only time when Test cricket makes any profit, you can say that it is in pretty bad health.
If you stop subsidizing test cricket with money earned from other formats, cricketers will earn less than half the money.
Agree it or not, Test cricket is only surviving because of T20 cricket. On its own, its revenue is far too low.
You can not survive for 2 years from the money earned through ashes or bgt for two years if all other test matches that you play lose money.
How often are T20 games remembered?
Test cricket is the best
But stands are empty, players are poor, broadcasting rights cheap and the whole activity in the end leads to loss of money.
The schedule of test cricket is essentially akin to bilateral international friendly matches. The powerful nations controls how many games are played and against whom. If this is what pinnacle looks like then we are on a plain
"You can't un-forget that?" That's a Kimber classic!
I thought I was the only one who noticed that!
Was about to write a whole paragraph with slurs after seeing the thumbnail
Lmao 🤣🤣 ikr
I vaguely remember Mikey Holding once giving an argument on this, "McDonalds makes the most popular burgers but they do not make the best burgers. There is a difference between popularity and sheer quality. People like quick and easy but real folk prefer quality. Test cricket is quality." Test cricket for life. ❣
Love this
@@Luwi_TTI think that is a great anolgy from mikey holding personally because I love test cricket and I agree with his point😁
Definitely not overrated, most cricket fans love it for all the reasons listed here and in the video. Unfortunately however, it is largely becoming a 3-nation sport. So really, you have test cricket that's thriving and healthy among the big 3, and test cricket outside the big-3 that is slowly fading.
I'm gonna speak from a Bangladeshi point of view since I am one.
There just needs to be more day night test matches. People will fill out stadiums for televised cricket on any holiday. So, if you can check out the cricket after work hours, people will obviously come on weekdays.
And the under lights aesthetic is what we have been brought up on. We need more of that.
And above everything else, we need the same number of matches for teams in WTC cycle and ensure that everyone participating play everyone.
That is the major issue. If players never get the chance to play against quality sides then they will never improve for generations and the gap between nations won't bridge.
And if there are more skilled sides then obviously the games will be more interesting.
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And by the way, no cricket match is hooking me on for it's entire duration. I'm gonna watch parts of it no matter the format. So this incessant whining about Tests are dying needs to stop. And they should try to fix the problems at present rather than create new ones in the name of reinvention.
I watched Kusal Mendis live. It sent shiver down my spine. I missed Stokes's effort as I was in Brazil and we were 9 wickets down at midday in brazil and could not keep my friends waiting any more.
You mean Perera
@@uzairsajjad1976 Yes your right but the reason I made the mistake is they refered to the person as Kusal Mendis in the video. but yeh its definately Perera thanks for correcting
Two tier test championship might bring more close abd exciting results with a relegation system obviously.
Tier 1- Ind, Aus, Eng, SA, NZ, Pak
Tier 2- Ban, Zim, SL, Afg, Ire, WI.
Here’s a thought, women’s cricket, in Australia the 50 over league is televised and the put on TH-cam as highlights.
In UK, you might get it as highlights on TV, and if you are lucky on TH-cam.
Let’s see how the Hundred goes. I remember seeing an interview probably by this channel. Where certain games are being played at certain grounds to help them survive. Some county sides are not going to survive
Test cricket is the gourmet dinner to T20's order in dinner. It's not overrated it is just enjoyed by fewer people. Question is how to get more people interested in Test Match Cricket, big picture is getting money into that format of the sport so there is more than 3 dominant nations. One way is to force franchise cricket to part ways with some of the money they make from T20 leagues and invest it into various ways of growing test match and ODI cricket.
Also, the idea of changing ODI cricket to 40 overs, 2 inning T20 match sounds really cool to me. Aus domestic cricket tried the split innings in their one day cup but it was split innings, not 4 completely restarted innings.
Test cricket is not a sport, like sport for winning or losing like of fun in other sports , it has other funs like beauty of it folding and unfolding in 5 days making it great . Cricket is lucky that we have that format in our beautiful game of cricket ❤️❤️
Kimber put it brilliantly. Most sports are a battle; Test cricket is a war. The endurance required to be the better team over five days, as the ball, pitch, and weather evolve, when you can be batting or bowling (or in some cases doing both) for hours on end, is second to none. And as a fan you become so invested in a Test match watching so long, it makes the final victory/loss feel like no other sport.
I remember every Pakistan test victory in the past 10 years (especially the away ones), i Don't have a clue about the gazillion t20's we have played in the past few years except the ones in the 2022 world cup and a few PSL finals.
Can you name me one "classic" ODI series ever...?
This is a good point, there are some classic ODI matches but not a overall series. E.g. india vs australia Desert storm in Sharjah but no one remembers the other matches in the series.
SA vs Aus when they both reached 400. but test cricket...is test cricket. the pinnacle
test cricket improves the technique of players and endurance which is why they then become good T20 players and odi payers, very rare do you see it the other way round
People don't realise the popularity of test cricket. On Cricket Australia's TH-cam channel, the top 10 most viewed videos include many clips and highlights of test cricket. So, it's an absolutely essential format. BTW I think it was Kusal Perera not Mendis.
D/N 4 day Tests is the answer. Play an hour extra each day, start on Thursday & conclude on Sundays. You maximize ground attendance as well over the weekend.
What I find incredible is every suggestion to get people into cricket is too play shorter games, ie less cricket. So basically best way to improve the game is to show and play less of it
Watching Brain Lara or ViV Richards batting in Test Cricket was just amazing. No T20 will come close
That bloke in the bumblebee cravat talks sense.
I think it depends on what you want to get out of cricket. Countries which are usually most associated with interest in Test Cricket have other shorter faster paced sports of equal or higher "standing" in each country too.
Would be interesting to hear from people who only like cricket and don't follow other sports. Personally like longer format cricket because it's so different to other sports that I love which cover the high adrenaline side of things on their own.
I turned the TV on live when Perera got motoring. Also remember Brathwate... not the 4 6s but the lone hand 100 v NZ in WC... only just failing on the last 6!
When things happen like this... it becomes must watch!
Grew up watching mostly odi's but after getting into test cricket, limited overs is pretty boring especially when watching white ball just after a concluded test series. Maybe that's me being much older now but you cant say with certainty that the younger people will never get into test cricket.
I would compare test cricket and test series to that of the NBA Playoff series. A really good test match is like a Game 7 - they've been so evenly matched that it comes down to one final game (basketball) or one final session (cricket). Most people don't remember Games 1 through 6 but they'll remember Game 7 because you don't get too many of those. Nobody will remember England's 1st innings from the Headingley game but they'll remember Ben Stokes. Test cricket's selling point is investment - that if you stick around long enough you'll get that one game that makes it worth it.
If the rules weren't so skewed in favour of batsmen, if the pitches weren't skewed so much favour of batsmen (atleast in India the biggest market), if the curators produce an even matchup between bat and ball, then every session of a test is equivalent to a T-20 match.
It’s also incredibly overpriced here in England compared to other sports. Costs a ridiculous amount compared to going to the football.
IT WAS KUSAL PERERA who played a similar rescue act for SL like Ben Foakes 😉 for England in 2019. 😂😂😂 What's in these names?!!
So much for remembering memorable test moments.😂
It was Kusal Perera not Mendis. ANd that inns was way better than Ben STokes FLuky and lucky inns. Ridiculous to measure which is better by whats more famous as that's to do with the marketing and money of cricket boards..
Ques - Is test cricket overrated?
Ans - Depends on who you ask
This reminds of an example of a pun that was featured in my Wren and Martin. "Is life worth living? Depends on the liver!" 😄
Test is the Pinnacle of Cricket period.
I am a huge advocate of T20 Franchise and believe it would revolutionize the sports but never at the cost of Test Cricket. Only mis-fit is ODI.
In my personal opinion, to make Test Cricket even more exciting is by defining max over per innings. For example 120 overs per innings and Don't make it draw, if you don't reach the target you lose simple.
Another suggestion, Go for Franchise or Club Test Cricket just like County Cricket
There was one more match where kyle myers hit 200 and won the match against Bangladesh i think
I hate T20s because of how short they are. I can miss a game simply by getting stuck in traffic. Tests are an event. A weekly event with something everyday. Like a TV show, it could have some dull episodes but the season (each test), has soooooo many narratives and you can write for days after. T20s are similar to street matches. Who cares about them?
Tests are top tier and define a player.
Narine is nobody compared to Ashwin.
Russell is npthing compared to Kallis.
"A lot of rubbish test cricket played". After all the rubbish T20 internationals and domestics since 20 years. I remember every single test i watched or followed or even ODIs. No T20 sticks in my mind even though its a short game. Because its stupid. Simply put, T20s are a stupid format with a low ceiling.
Tests are simply incredible. I can follow it each match like a TV show over 4 or 5 days. So much action.
T20s are like a sitcom episode of a dull show.
I loving this kind of discussion ❤
ICC should remove the 50 over formart and have test and t20 test cricket is the spirit of the game and 50 over cricket have to go away teams wining by to much runs and balls to spare
There is similar debate or analogy in the acedemic field as well, t20s obviously get you money and but in long term test cricket is a hidden contributor for cricket in general. You can tell the same thing about Physics, Pure Math and Outer space exploration...how does it serve me? Can it give me huge monetary gain...why do it?
Test cricket: Pure Sciences :: T20: Engineering/Tech
Let Kimber take over talk sport cricket. Brings an interesting view of cricket and well informed. Where is Goughie?
I would not allow batsmen to use helmets, keep the 2 bouncer per over rule. This will equalize batting and bowling. A younger audience would love to see batsmen getting hit and some blood wouldn't be so bad. MMA and F1 draws huge audiences For many decades batsmen batted with caps against bowlers just as fast if not faster. Tyson, Lillee, Thompson,Wes Hall, Fred Trueman, Mike Proctor and they also played on uncovered pitches for a while. Why has no one suggested this? It will revive test cricket I think and has for school and other levels different balls could be used that would be less harmful
I love this show. Keep going 😊
West Indies vs Australia 2024. West Indies vs Australia 1999, Lara 153* 2005 Ashes. Test cricket is magical, there is no question about it. 1st day opening bowlers and batsmen… getting the new ball in the evening session, spinners coming on when the ball loses its shine with a rough side. I mean come on !!
Some fellas talking about 3/4 days Test cricket- 40 overs ODI format is all rubbish because if this changes implemented then after a while this fellas will say 'test cricket of two days ' and 'ODI format is irrelevant so stop it '- whare will it stop!
Every sport has their own spectators. Cricket fans will watch cricket and by cricket I meant the real game/ format. Who doesn't develop their taste according to this sport _ they can/should move on from cricket- no problem in it.
Bottom eight test nations should distribute some percentage of tickets to government school's students》 hope BCCI will take this sort of step in Indian stadiums for the real format.
India have got test cricket (which is great), bangla are getting there and Pak,SL need to do better. There were test matches starting on Mondays and Tuesdays in the home season, need to do better. More or less every Australian home test begins on a wednesday or a thursday
I don't get the starting argument. That's just the nature of sports isn't it? Every sport is like that. In any EPL season, there are SOO many dull games, it's not even funny. Not to mention all the mismatches and "dead rubbers". That doesn't mean football is bad or boring. That's how all of sport works.
Test cricket is not suppose watch on tv sets it is a game which needs to be seen on ground and its format should not be changed to 3 days because the ground that plays crucial role which will be not be there so i think it should be played very less so rarity would help to build the audiences odi and t20 can have 8 months only 2 months for test would do
Test cricket might be the toughest team sports as far as i know. Every team sport moves in a progressive state until the result. And then there's test cricket where even if you have an upper hand, you have to start fron scratch in rhe second innings on a deteriorating pitch. Thats depressing and crazy lol
It was Kusal Perera btw not Mendis
T20 is all that will remain, it is simply inevitable
It's everything around Test cricket that weakens it compared to T20.
The fact that only 3 countries are profitable when it comes to hosting Tests while USA is beating Top 10 opposition in T20 is making T20 entertaining.
Not the format specifically, but the number of countries playing well and tournaments with all of them is helping T20.
Kusal Perera not Kusal Mendis
Who will ever forget the 2005 ashes! we lost but I still watch highlights and the documentary on it all the time. Sport doesn't get any better
Test cricket is the only form of the gane with any true history and meaning people actually care who wins or loses, look at this joke of a world Cup going on currently haah
I love test cricket. But it's history has problematic parts. It's basically a remnant of colonialism in a way.
Test cricket is good for those who started watching from 90s not any more
Test matches r one sided with home team diminating n by the way it was Kusal Perera not Mendis
Before discussing get ur facts right u r on social media
Test is Art, T20 is Content.
An epic finish to a test match is possibly the equivalent of an epic Football Cup final.
Test match in round robin ICC tournament for 3 months with top 8 nations will be more interesting than point cycle for 2 years
May as well ask two anglers if Fishing is Overrated.
2 (4 in total) innings t20 matches is nonsense. That's just having a t20 game that lasts twice as long
Now that there's a World Test Championship in place, Test cricket will have more relevance. Test cricket should be encouraged and prioritized in all 12 Test playing nations.
We love see India touring SENA countries especially test matches
Top notch 👍👍
🙏🙏
The last Ashes and the Windies vs Oz game was proof enough
Not to be that guy, but Kusal Perera, not Mendis.
As usual Jarrod gets it right: yes there is a lot of fluff and godawful test cricket being played, but when the stars align, and the game goes down to last day, last session, with all four results a possibility? At that point, test cricket is no longer a sport, it's transcended into some weird form of drama that makes every part of you tingle in anticipation. There is nothing like it.
The reality is in the future tests will only be played between India, Australia and England!
Touch of the Zak Crawley 😂😂😂
I have been watching test cricket for 20+ years and I love it.
Test cricket is like Bitcoin. Need a lot of energy and effort to produce one classic game. You won't always get it. 90% of the effort produces mediocre results but the remaining 10% will produce something special and memorable. It needs to be preserved for that rarity and uniqueness.
To say broadcaster want to move ODI and not T20, isn't really an argument that's pro test, they are both seperate formats.... I like all formats, I like test cricket because you can drop in and drop out, although usually if I drop out I miss loads. I really do think T20 is peak cricket though, behind the ashes. Anyone can beat anyone on any day in T20, but except the ashes or India vs England or India vs Australia, I really couldn't care less
It's not overrated - it plain sucks. Don't have 5 days to burn on a boring draw. No one wants to watch it except England and Australia. The rest of the world wants to play and watch T20s.
It's Kusal Perera, not Mendis.
I just loving this show
It was Kusal Perera not Kusal Mendis
Drew 9 times at least they never lost
Saying Kusal Mendis rather than Kusal Perera says everything! No one will forget Ben Stokes
It's kusal Perera
What a stupid statement. Only England and Australia care about test cricket. Still England cant qualify for WTC😂😂
All test playing nations qualify for the WTC.
Only three teams play and Test cricket is really predictable.
Anybody touring India will lose the series.
Australia will beat England at home.
1)England vs Australia in England.
2) Australia vs India in Australia.
Are only two unpredictable series to be honest.
Even India vs England in England is most likely a India victory.
So how is this elite game ?
I remember Joe Root's 5for on a sh**ty Indian pitch 2 years ago than any of the last 74 non stop IPL matches that ended last week.
John norman should only be allowed watch white ball cricket between England and Australia from now on
t20 is boring no mind games or setting upr a batter it's all slogging. Love Test matches and would prefer ODIs over t20 anyday.
Can’t even remember Kusal Peters’s name!!!
Kusal Perera not Mendis!
You stand a chance at witnessing history being made every time you watch a test match.
2005 Ashes says hello
Test cricket is true cricket. Period.
Are you mad? It's the highest form of cricket. T20 is driven solely by private capital. It has had a corrupting influence on cricket, at least in India.