13:04 ━ I felt the same at the end. . . I know a lot has happened, but they really should have given her at least a small moment showing that she wasn't _gleefully_ happy because her friend is still dead.
I would like to propose a show for reaction. The Good Place. Its on Netflix. 4 seasons. The show is brilliant and your reactions are great. It would be a perfect match.
Another thought I had was about how the Doctor brings people together. That end with the three idiots roaming walking off was so heartwarming. They became Companions
@dr103 yes me too. they were lovely and had such a sweet side plot. they didnt feel 2 dimensional or pointless like *cough* all of the side characters in orphan 55 *cough*
Definitely the better of the two “Environmentalist Message” episodes. In Orphan 55 the fact that climate change was even the cause of the end of the world felt so incidental. Here it feels like they just had a genuinely clever idea and folded the pollution element into it. That said, anyone else think “I thought I discovered an alien world all on my own” was an interesting bit? Yaz, as she often does, really takes after the Doctor this episode, and it’s interesting hearing a bit of resentment in her voice when the wind gets taken out of her sails.
Not to mention we ruined the planet which made a mutant species, it was their world now in orphan55 and then the humans were trying to terraform it basically ruining the dregs home world to try and revive what the humans already ruined in the first place. and the doctor gave 0 Fs about the dreg and earth now being their home, humans lost their chance. instead hey audience yall better go buy teslas
I much preferred Orphan-55. The pace was faster, I cared about the one-off characters more and it had a cool monster. That felt more like Doctor Who than this did. Yes, Orphan-55 was preachy but so was this. They just moved the preachy section from the end of the episode to the middle.
I thought that scene for Yaz was interesting too! I feel like the companions are being set up for a Doctor-lite episode where they'll have to save her this series (or the next, but it feels like their character arcs is starting to wrap up, what with Ryan's and Yaz' growing confidence and Graham's growing peace, so I don't think they'll remain as companions for long).
Also, Microplastics are in our food, so it isn't only about the environment. No telling what they are doing to our bodies. I think Yaz is getting a bit reckless. I hope they are leaning more into that initial impression we got of her, that she felt like she had a lot of potential, but was getting ahead of herself and her training.
One thing that keeps happening at the moment is Who is there's just too many characters. The girl whose friend died served no narrative purpose and also didn't seem that bothered that she watched her friend die. She would be traumatised. The guy who got swarmed by birds on the beach - we could have lost him. I liked the astronaut and his husband storyline, but I feel we only scratched the surface of their relationship because so much time was dedicated to all the other characters.
I initially thought those two were brothers, as they looked sort of similar, and I kind of liked the notion that they had a sibling rivalry and were being brought back together, so I was a bit disappointed to find out they were actually married. It did bother me that one girl seemed perfectly fine with her friend dying.
My thoughts were: "The haters are gonna hate for the plastic message" and "damn, they're going all Game of Thrones killing of people I like". Suki was a great character. I wanted her to relent and for them to solve it together.
I hate this episode bcs it was boring. They were just talking. Same with plastik message. It would be go if Doctor didn’t say it so bluntly in our faces. The message was so fck obvious that I feel offended with the Doctor speach about it. It happening of 3 different continents didnt add much to the story. Guys with gas mask didnt add anything eathier. There are just so many płot holes and pointless elements in this story...
@@Lahey3 boring - they were just talking? Let's see, exploding bodies, a gunfight, bird attacks, space ships exploding, typical Doctor Who running scenes, saving someone with the Tardis. Yeah, all talking.
As far as I can tell, it's a very loud minority that hates absolutely everything since Whitaker became the Doctor and makes it look like "the fandom" doesn't like things.
I'm in the neither camp. I enjoyed it but I didn't love it. I certainly didn't hate it either. It kept me entertained, and that's what I expect Doctor Who to do!
I really like this episode! I found your opinions very interesting, because I feel the opposite. I couldn't connect at all with the characters in Orphan 55, but I felt a connection with all the characters in Praxeus. That goes to show how different people are and complaining about writers and what they choose to show as "irrelevant" is pointless. Thanks for sharing your reactions.
I think this episode handled the environmental message a lot better than Orphan 55 did. But I will say, I agree with you about the vlogger girl. I don’t think she was necessary. This was a good episode. Obviously not as crazy as the last ones but still significant enough to have a good world scale focus. The environmental message was much better utilised here and I liked most of the side characters and the companions were more proactive this time which was good. Aside from the vlogger girl, things felt way more natural in this episode than they did with Orphan 55 which I thought was awful. It’s the only episode of S12 that I really hate. IMO This episode had a much better take on the subject matter. Much more enjoyable.
I liked the vlogger girl. She felt natural to me. I dunno if it's a cultural thing, because she comes from the country I live in. Arguing the necessity of characters is pointless because there's always a way most characters can be written off, but I'm happy she was added in.
@@daffy8995 You mean because of her reaction at her friend's death? It feels to me like death is just normalized where she came from. Which is an unfortunate reality in parts of my country. That would mean she could be hardened enough to put up with it until she found herself a safe place to break down and deal with it. You sort of see a glimpse of that in the TARDIS, and later she tells Yaz that she wants to fight things.
@@daffy8995 yes, I'm sure it did. No matter your coping mechanisms, there are always things that push every person too far. For most people, watching someone die would easily pass that threshold, and I understand that. But there are people who live here who have been so desensitised to death that they'd be able to endure it in the way she did. Like the Doctor often does. My grandmother lived in a very dangerous neighbourhood, for example, and I've been desensitised to gunpoint mugging. It happened to me twice and I was fine minutes later, I didn't lose sleep over it. I had a school colleague who suffered the same once and got terrified of leaving her house for weeks, and needed counselling to recover. I'd probably have Gabriella's level of reaction if someone I cared about died in front of me, tbh. You can't just lower your guard in a dangerous situation, and grieving leaves you extremely vulnerable.
I personally have nothing against strong messages in a Doctor Who story I just thought that there were too many characters most of which we never got to know so very well especially with such a short running time this week. I agree this was not the most memorable of episodes but still not the worst.
I enjoyed the episode but it felt like a missed opportunity with the plastic, so the Autons might of turned up, or the ocean bits could have had the Sea Devils arriving.
I love big tardis teams, but these episodes also had a BUNCH of other characters and so many times this era I feel like I get to know guest stars way more than I know Yaz.
This in my opinion is how enviromental plots should be done, it should be woven into the narritive and not shouted in your face in the last five minutes of the episode. 'glances at Orphan 55' Also, I've seen some people call this episode preachy. I'm sorry, but if they say this is preachy then the truth is they are just completely against any sort of message in shows regardless of how subtle they are. Episode itself, it was good but certainly a downgrade from last time.
I enjoyed episode 6 very much. I got a bit of a Hitchcock feeling, like from The Birds. And the doctor was spot on, as usual! This far, series 12 has been brilliant!
I thought 'Praxeus' was a pretty good standalone story that handles its message a hell of a lot better than 'Orphan 55' did. In a way, this series is sort of reminding me of Series 6 and this felt like the 'Night Terrors' coming after last week's 'A Good Man Goes to War' or 'Let's Kill Hitler', even though this was way better than 'Night Terrors'. Hoping next week's story delves into the story arc a bit more.
My best friend in the world exploded in front of me half an hour ago. Never mind, I'll just hang out with my token gay stand-ins instead. Yaay, hashtag bff trip!
She may have been so traumatised that getting stuck in was a way of coping. Her brain must have been going into overload with her friend exploding in front of her and then being bundled into a machine that can travel through space and time.
I wasn't a huge fan of the episode but I loved the side characters we got, it was a nice kind of filler episode after last weeks mind f*ck 😂😂 and I like how yaz is really becoming more confident in going off in her own it's great seeing more of her this season
For the first half I was like :) Then the plastic message came up and I was like Orphan 55 flashbacks Then they didn't go all preachy and I was like. :D
Yeah. The preaching this time was cool: everything on Earth is connected and humans are smart and brave and can solve problems and matter. I actually loved this episode in broad strokes.
Bit upset with the casting of Warren Brown. He plays a main character in the UNIT Big Finish series, and I was rather hoping he'd be the same character. I don't listen to the audio stories all that much because of how expensive they are, but it would have been amazing to see them included (loosely) into the canon of the show. That would give us incentive! Regardless though, his character was very endearing and his performance as good as ever.
The episode had some good spots but it gets really tiring with the MORAL MESSAGE OF THE WEEK hitting you in the face like a dead halibut. Moral lessons are very Doctor Who, but I wish they'd ease up on the in your face street preacher method of story telling.
It was watchable enough,but there were way too many elements thrown in for a one-off episode. Eco message.The Birds homage. Fretting partner. Alien virus invasion. Submerged spacecraft. The ending was also too pat - exploding spacecraft cures absolutely everything..? Great death scenes,though.
Hey, sesskasays, did you ever do a reaction to Rain Gods? Or for that matter, to Meanwhile in the TARDIS? That's a fun 11th/Amy mini episode, which has 2 parts.
Microplastics are a huge problem and just one of the factors involved with humanity's impact on our planet. I studied the basics of it in college and the info given in this episode is spot on (if generalized for the sake of a tv audience). Do a quick Google Scholar search and you'll find dozens of pretty scary scientific articles about it. I also loved the whole "ethics of medical testing" theme in this episode. Humanity's early medical history is full of scientists who tested their cures/vaccines on "volunteers" with no real idea of what the effects would be. Thing is, most of those "volunteers" were just people who couldn't say no - prisoners, orphans, slaves, the very poor, and the very desperate (Example: Edward Jenner, the guy who discovered how to vaccinate against smallpox, tested the first vaccination on an 8-year old boy). That's part of why medical testing is so strictly regulated today. Between the Doctor initially not wanting to test the cure on Adam because it was dangerous and the aliens making the entirety of Earth an unwilling test case, I thought there was some really interesting subtext in this episode about what it means to give medical consent. As you can tell I'm a super-nerd and this episode touched on topics I'm super interested in, so I loved it!
This episode for me made my skin crawl, but it was a great story and with a twist. It was also the episode that made me look away a lot, (once or twice sadly not quickly enough), a bit like what Arachnids in the UK made me do in series 11. Seems to always be an episode that makes me look away. Just like the days watching it when I was a kid I suppose!
I mean, if it was a possible asteroid strike, nobody would be concerned about the message... having said that, I think there were problems. Sometimes the ability to show locations and effects and scale (not that kind) distracts from the occasional lack of detail. What of the contagion risk? Why have people died without bigger reactions? You know? I have questions. But it barrelled along in places and was certainly pleasant to watch.
I agree that it has a similar problem to 'Orphan 55'. It's not just the number of side characters in both cases but the fact that they're unrelated, meaning you have to set up several premises and try and juggle them all to consistent pay-offs. 'Orphan 55' had 3 main pairs (the elderly couple, the mother and daughter, and the father and son) and basically tried to tell the stories in that order, spending a third of the runtime on each, before "killing them off" as not to have to deal with them further. And that's along with Ryan's relationship with the daughter, the threat of the episode, and the concept of the dystopian Earth/humans. This episode had the travel vloggers, the couple, and Suki and her friend - so a similar situation of 3 main sets of unrelated character stories to deal with, and the only one that pushed through to some extent was the couple. If a writer wants that many side characters in an episode, that's fine, but they need to be more closely related if the writer wants to have time to develop them (and the main cast who've still been given very little this series) sufficiently. This is my least favourite episode of Chibnall's era as I lacked any investment throughout (and that's coming from quite an ecologically aware, frequent activist). As far as I've seen, the general consensus on this one seems to be quite positive though. Also, I had a similar reaction to you at 8:26 when I saw 1:21 - "And the lecture of this week is..."
Independent story lines for the companions and the Doctor jumping from one to the other... What a brilliant idea, I would watch that!!!! Chibnal should be listening to you!
I agree it was not in the top 5 of this series, but still was better than most of the episodes from series 11, I enjoyed it... Except from the Brazilian lady, she was poorly written, more like an accessory to the story than a character with intelligence/feelings/grief for her friend. One big flaw I noticed is that she chooses to camp in the middle of the garbage instead of looking for a cleaner nearby space that would not smell as bad and/or attract scavenger wild life at night.
Yaz using that teleport was definitely something Clara or Rose would have done and I loved it! (maybe wasn't the smartest idea but i was here for it anyway)
Delete Orphan 55 and insert this as Ep 3. That would have been better. Those two episodes had the same overall message and this is the better of the two. Because of Orphan 55 this episode will get more hate than it should. Two episodes out of 10 and so close together with exactly the same message is one to many
You have to remember Yaz is a Police Officer. It's her job to Investigate. I like Episodes based on Factual Information. I enjoyed this Episode and understood everything about it. I am sorry you didn't.
@Mark McKeown There is a difference between 'Curious' and 'Accurate'. 'Episodes' are what Reactions are all about. As a Police Officer Yaz was doing what she was trained to do. 'Factual Information' speaks for itself. Sorry you did not understand that.
It's an older series 2011-2013 i believe , but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a Reaction series for the tv show "The Following" with Kevin Bacon & James Purefoy
Blog girl was written poorly. I like the idea and some of the execution of this episode, but it is one of those topics that I've been concerned about for 28 years or so, and I would like to see it get a hell of a lot more attention than it does. With the way people act about it, though, I'm less optimistic for our future than what I read...
The message was supposed to be anti-Plastic waste but turned out to be "Don't befriend travel vloggers, they will get over you really fast". You are super diplomatic.
I think that's my least favourite episode in S12 so far but strangely enough I still liked it. I liked side-characters and the fact that the companions had more things to do than in previous episodes. It was just OK for me (and perhaps that's what I needed after the mind-blowing episode 5)
Sadly after the incredible episode the week before... I felt this was a huge let down.... some criticise Orphan 55 but I really liked that one with a bizarre ending... this one however I felt was poorly paced....very monotonous and expositional and too any characters to focus on to fully get immersed in a story.... speaking of which the story itself i felt was lacking. Which is a shame ...I do hope series 12 gets back on track next week though.... this felt very series 11-ish.
Can we invite this co-writer back on next series to be the script-doctor? Every character felt like a character in this one and the dialogue was solid, and yeah. Moffat would polish up all the scripts in his era, get this person on board in the future for that job. Ryan wasn’t infantalized, Yaz had motivations, the Doctor (oddly enough) finally felt like she was the Doctor to me in this one, the gay couple were naturalistic and didn’t get killed, big ups all across the board, this episode nailed it. If every episode was this level of quality, this show would be exactly what Chibnall said it was supposed to be during press interviews.
I enjoyed it. Was glad to see Yas doing more and using her initiative. Fits her character. Ryan is really doing well with the laydees this series. Graham is very good at listening to people and giving sage advice. Warren Brown aka Jake and Bradley Walsh's performances when they were chatting very moving. I would love to see more of Adam and Jake. They could almost have their own spin-off. Jake could become a private eye investigating strange cases with his astronaut husband.
I didn't expect Chibnall and Co. to follow up on what he set in motion last week (and I really don't figure they'll do something great with all that stuff at all, call me a pessimist) so my expectations were precisely neutral coming in. As a result, I had a great time with this. The globetrotting, sprawling story reminded me of the sort of thing that they would routinely do in the Seventh Doctor novels that came out while the show was off the air. They tended to be filled with secondary characters one really wished would get out of the way so we could see what the Doctor, Ace, Benny, Roz, and Chris were up to so that otherwise problematic feature gave me an entirely inappropriate warm nostalgic glow. As much as I hate to admit it, it does not take much for Chibnall to please me this season. Expectations successfully adjusted, I reckon. All the moaning about messages among internet people makes me wonder if they've ever seen any television of science fiction before. Like "Star Trek" never trotted out 'issue of the week' episodes. Even Tom Baker's Doctor had a go at fossil fuels a time or two back in the day. I guess we're pretending that none of that happened, or that it was absolutely perfectly executed and subtly insightful back then, eh? Giant green maggots anyone?
Ok episode, looking forward to the nxt one, and the finale! When you react to power of the daleks parts 5 & 6 you should also watch the surviving clips after
The number of characters could be dealt with simply by staying with one story long enough to examine all sides of something. But I don't know if that's the environment (if you'll pardon the expression) we're in right now. Despite its best intentions, this season is working better when it sticks to the familiar problems in continuity or the 'in-universe' stuff of the Time Lords. It wasn't so noticeable last series because, of course, they weren't in it!
How many save the planet episodes can we have in 1 season? lets find out! a one, a two, CRUNCH three. I predict a 3rd in our future. While I found this episode very dull and boring the plastic pollution is legit. But the whole plot? an alien came to earth to infect us to find a cure for humans which wouldnt work on her species because they arent human. GG. orphan55 is still worse but it started off ok i was down with the resort and the machines getting infected but the section they introduced the monster and left the base i was done. this episode i was just sleeping through
The Tardis has had more passengers since 13th doctor arrived use to really mean something asked aboard, lost priority boarding status P's Still waiting for my invite
This week's episode was always going to be seen as inferior after last week. It was a solid story....probably would've been one of the best stories last season. That comment shows how the standard of story telling has improved this season and long may it continue :}.
I enjoyed it tho it wasn’t my favourite. I think it was mainly the death scenes and the effects that made me like it as much as I did. I agree about all you said with the travel girl. I didn’t really like her lol. Maybe her and her friend weren’t close 😂
I agree that the characters could have used more depth. The alien girl looked human, why not make her more alien? Did her race evolve just like ours by coincidence? I like the pairing of Graham with Yaz, I was thinking before this episode that we need to see that. The Doctor was good here, ideas flashing into her head (there was an off-hand remark about her having multiple brains?) and she was funny. For modern Who she's my 2nd favorite Doctor at the moment, right after David Tennant. While I don't mind message episodes I think 1 per season is good, this came pretty soon after the last one so I'm sure there will be people complaining about it being preachy.
The aliens looked human because they reflect us - in their behaviour they are all too human. They made the same mistakes with pollution and resort to unethical science to solve it.
I liked the possibilities in a lot of this episode. But I have to agree, there's so many there's no room for any but a cameo appearance for most. Perhaps viewer's imagination needs to go into the credits? 😎
Rhodri Williams I guess, but even in the first episode she was being more risky which is what lead her to nearly dying... I have a feeling they’re setting something up with her character
This season is being particularly preachy, more so than the previous one. In the historical ones, the Doctor takes a _long_ time spewing the backstory of the historical figures, like an encyclopedia. Compare the time and length of lines describing Tesla or Ada to the ones describing Agatha Christie or Madame du Pompadour, not to mention Van Gogh. It used to show more and explain less. And the ones covering current events and possible futures are suffering from the same issue. We didn't get so much of the Doctor explaining things in a rush in The Long Game or The Bells of Saint John, where he got equally annoyed at humans "you people/lot doing this or that are driving humanity towards its doom". But Jodie had to memorize paragraphs here and in Orphan 55; and the people felt more disposable than usual. I like the morals underneath them, but the delivery feels like a slap to the face. Sigh....
The show was originally a children's educational show, so I think it's nice they're going back to the roots of informing people about history and science. They need to work on the delivery a bit, especially that speech in Orphan 55, but that's only a minor thing for me rather than a huge turn-off. Climate change is really important, so whatever'll drive the point home... And people know who Agatha Christie and Van Gogh are; this season is doing a good job with showing lesser-known historical figures. I'm a math/computer science enthusiast so I knew about Ada Lovelace, but many don't, and I'd never heard of Noor Khan. And a lot of people only know about Tesla like Graham did, that he was inventor, but not what he did--plus people don't know about Edison's questionable business practices. Again, I agree they could work on the delivery, but I love that they've found a way to return to the educational roots *and* keep the heavy lore/dark past intact (I'm pretty iffy about the extra Doctor, though. I don't want them to completely uproot the Doctor's past by making her pre-first Doctor, it doesn't sit well with me).
Im getting very tired of "preachy lesson of the week" I did like the Astronaut and his husband, i liked Yaz having more airtime and i liked the global perspective. Lots of problems though.
It's preachy as hell. I don't mind if the episode has a message. (Smile - Dangers of Tech, Oxygen/Thin Ice - Corporate Greed) I do mind it being so utterly in your face that it loses it's intended effect. At least for me but I could be the minority. The season started out entertaining. So far I have liked all but episodes 3 and 6. I am hoping that the rest of the season isn't as heavy handed. Yes I could stop watching but that's how the show was put on hiatus before. They had some weaker seasons and used the drop in viewers as an excuse to stop making them. Personally it would be heartbreaking to have a show end because of an inconsistent show runner.
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Me, going to bed: One last look at TH-cam and I oop-
"This week's episode is about recycling!"
I laughed so hard.
13:04 ━ I felt the same at the end. . . I know a lot has happened, but they really should have given her at least a small moment showing that she wasn't _gleefully_ happy because her friend is still dead.
I would like to propose a show for reaction. The Good Place. Its on Netflix. 4 seasons. The show is brilliant and your reactions are great. It would be a perfect match.
Another thought I had was about how the Doctor brings people together. That end with the three idiots roaming walking off was so heartwarming. They became Companions
If this was RTD's time, we could expect them to turn up for the season finale!
@dr103 yes me too. they were lovely and had such a sweet side plot. they didnt feel 2 dimensional or pointless like *cough* all of the side characters in orphan 55 *cough*
Definitely the better of the two “Environmentalist Message” episodes. In Orphan 55 the fact that climate change was even the cause of the end of the world felt so incidental. Here it feels like they just had a genuinely clever idea and folded the pollution element into it.
That said, anyone else think “I thought I discovered an alien world all on my own” was an interesting bit? Yaz, as she often does, really takes after the Doctor this episode, and it’s interesting hearing a bit of resentment in her voice when the wind gets taken out of her sails.
Not to mention we ruined the planet which made a mutant species, it was their world now in orphan55 and then the humans were trying to terraform it basically ruining the dregs home world to try and revive what the humans already ruined in the first place. and the doctor gave 0 Fs about the dreg and earth now being their home, humans lost their chance. instead hey audience yall better go buy teslas
I much preferred Orphan-55. The pace was faster, I cared about the one-off characters more and it had a cool monster. That felt more like Doctor Who than this did. Yes, Orphan-55 was preachy but so was this. They just moved the preachy section from the end of the episode to the middle.
I thought that scene for Yaz was interesting too!
I feel like the companions are being set up for a Doctor-lite episode where they'll have to save her this series (or the next, but it feels like their character arcs is starting to wrap up, what with Ryan's and Yaz' growing confidence and Graham's growing peace, so I don't think they'll remain as companions for long).
Wannabe_Baby I couldn’t give less of a shit about the characters in Orphan 55 if I tried.
Also, Microplastics are in our food, so it isn't only about the environment. No telling what they are doing to our bodies.
I think Yaz is getting a bit reckless. I hope they are leaning more into that initial impression we got of her, that she felt like she had a lot of potential, but was getting ahead of herself and her training.
One thing that keeps happening at the moment is Who is there's just too many characters. The girl whose friend died served no narrative purpose and also didn't seem that bothered that she watched her friend die. She would be traumatised. The guy who got swarmed by birds on the beach - we could have lost him. I liked the astronaut and his husband storyline, but I feel we only scratched the surface of their relationship because so much time was dedicated to all the other characters.
I initially thought those two were brothers, as they looked sort of similar, and I kind of liked the notion that they had a sibling rivalry and were being brought back together, so I was a bit disappointed to find out they were actually married. It did bother me that one girl seemed perfectly fine with her friend dying.
@dr103 Yeah, It's not that I am unhappy they are gay; I'm not. I just had this story in my head that I quite liked and had to abandon. lol
I like that the gay character didn't go 'Im gay' then die.
My thoughts were: "The haters are gonna hate for the plastic message" and "damn, they're going all Game of Thrones killing of people I like". Suki was a great character. I wanted her to relent and for them to solve it together.
I hate this episode bcs it was boring. They were just talking. Same with plastik message. It would be go if Doctor didn’t say it so bluntly in our faces. The message was so fck obvious that I feel offended with the Doctor speach about it. It happening of 3 different continents didnt add much to the story. Guys with gas mask didnt add anything eathier. There are just so many płot holes and pointless elements in this story...
@@Lahey3 boring - they were just talking? Let's see, exploding bodies, a gunfight, bird attacks, space ships exploding, typical Doctor Who running scenes, saving someone with the Tardis. Yeah, all talking.
anonagain yes it was. Birds killed one person at the begining and then they were just flying around.
@@Lahey3 They killed Suki's partner too
Are you my mummy?
A missed opportunity
I really wanted thirteen to say it
I really love this episode. I just rewatched it. And I love it more. Unfortunately everyone else hates it. The fandom really is the opposite of me 😂😂😂
I loved it too, and all my mates did, so don't feel alone! Doctor Who episodes really are like that 😂
As far as I can tell, it's a very loud minority that hates absolutely everything since Whitaker became the Doctor and makes it look like "the fandom" doesn't like things.
Really? People hate this episode? I loved so much
I loved it too.It's a shame some people hated it,but it's expected at this point.
I'm in the neither camp. I enjoyed it but I didn't love it. I certainly didn't hate it either.
It kept me entertained, and that's what I expect Doctor Who to do!
The disease makes my skin crawl and want to puke so much
I wonder if we're ever going to find out more about that talking cat in Ontario?
This was a good episode, not a great one. Just glad we didn't get another Orphan 55.
Why did the guns look similar to that Ruth had in episode 5 ? Same prop redesigned?
I was thinking the same thing! Were you also reminded of the guns in the alternate dimension Cybermen stories?
If you haven’t seen it you should def watch Luther (Idris Elba), the guy Jake in this is a co-star
I really like this episode!
I found your opinions very interesting, because I feel the opposite. I couldn't connect at all with the characters in Orphan 55, but I felt a connection with all the characters in Praxeus. That goes to show how different people are and complaining about writers and what they choose to show as "irrelevant" is pointless.
Thanks for sharing your reactions.
Yeah this episode is not helping my trypophobia...
THATS WHAT THE WORD IS. I kept trying to figure this out thank you.
I hated the effect.
Same
Two things consistent in the Chibnall era: Ryan touches everything, and the bad guys have the firearm accuracy of Imperial Storm Troopers.
I think this episode handled the environmental message a lot better than Orphan 55 did. But I will say, I agree with you about the vlogger girl. I don’t think she was necessary. This was a good episode. Obviously not as crazy as the last ones but still significant enough to have a good world scale focus. The environmental message was much better utilised here and I liked most of the side characters and the companions were more proactive this time which was good. Aside from the vlogger girl, things felt way more natural in this episode than they did with Orphan 55 which I thought was awful. It’s the only episode of S12 that I really hate. IMO This episode had a much better take on the subject matter. Much more enjoyable.
I liked the vlogger girl. She felt natural to me. I dunno if it's a cultural thing, because she comes from the country I live in.
Arguing the necessity of characters is pointless because there's always a way most characters can be written off, but I'm happy she was added in.
Maybe vlogger girl was still mad at her for making her camp amidst all that pollution.
@@daffy8995 You mean because of her reaction at her friend's death?
It feels to me like death is just normalized where she came from. Which is an unfortunate reality in parts of my country. That would mean she could be hardened enough to put up with it until she found herself a safe place to break down and deal with it. You sort of see a glimpse of that in the TARDIS, and later she tells Yaz that she wants to fight things.
@@alephnulI I suppose, if being cheerful and joking about it is her coping mechanism. It just seemed rather flippant and off-putting.
@@daffy8995 yes, I'm sure it did.
No matter your coping mechanisms, there are always things that push every person too far. For most people, watching someone die would easily pass that threshold, and I understand that. But there are people who live here who have been so desensitised to death that they'd be able to endure it in the way she did. Like the Doctor often does.
My grandmother lived in a very dangerous neighbourhood, for example, and I've been desensitised to gunpoint mugging. It happened to me twice and I was fine minutes later, I didn't lose sleep over it. I had a school colleague who suffered the same once and got terrified of leaving her house for weeks, and needed counselling to recover.
I'd probably have Gabriella's level of reaction if someone I cared about died in front of me, tbh. You can't just lower your guard in a dangerous situation, and grieving leaves you extremely vulnerable.
I personally have nothing against strong messages in a Doctor Who story I just thought that there were too many characters most of which we never got to know so very well especially with such a short running time this week. I agree this was not the most memorable of episodes but still not the worst.
I enjoyed the episode but it felt like a missed opportunity with the plastic, so the Autons might of turned up, or the ocean bits could have had the Sea Devils arriving.
I never thought about that, but yeah, that would've been awesome. 😜
I love big tardis teams, but these episodes also had a BUNCH of other characters and so many times this era I feel like I get to know guest stars way more than I know Yaz.
This in my opinion is how enviromental plots should be done, it should be woven into the narritive and not shouted in your face in the last five minutes of the episode. 'glances at Orphan 55'
Also, I've seen some people call this episode preachy. I'm sorry, but if they say this is preachy then the truth is they are just completely against any sort of message in shows regardless of how subtle they are.
Episode itself, it was good but certainly a downgrade from last time.
I have to say, I'm happy to see someone else who thought Orphan-55 was a better episode than this one. I was very bored.
I enjoyed episode 6 very much. I got a bit of a Hitchcock feeling, like from The Birds. And the doctor was spot on, as usual! This far, series 12 has been brilliant!
Hope the BBC cleaned up after filming.
Glad that the companions are being used a bit more, rather than just as comic relief.
Overall, I think this episode is kind of a nice breather after last week's crazy.
I thought 'Praxeus' was a pretty good standalone story that handles its message a hell of a lot better than 'Orphan 55' did. In a way, this series is sort of reminding me of Series 6 and this felt like the 'Night Terrors' coming after last week's 'A Good Man Goes to War' or 'Let's Kill Hitler', even though this was way better than 'Night Terrors'. Hoping next week's story delves into the story arc a bit more.
I'm shocked you had a better reaction to Orphan 55 than this, this episode did what Orphan 55 tried to do but much better.
My best friend in the world exploded in front of me half an hour ago. Never mind, I'll just hang out with my token gay stand-ins instead. Yaay, hashtag bff trip!
Also, the police might ask her a few questions when she gets home, about her best friend who disappeared last seen in her company...
She may have been so traumatised that getting stuck in was a way of coping. Her brain must have been going into overload with her friend exploding in front of her and then being bundled into a machine that can travel through space and time.
Someone must have liked Hitchcock The Birds before writing this episode.
Now THAT was a shit movie
Everybody forgot about poor Aramu.
dr103 Exactly.
I wasn't a huge fan of the episode but I loved the side characters we got, it was a nice kind of filler episode after last weeks mind f*ck 😂😂 and I like how yaz is really becoming more confident in going off in her own it's great seeing more of her this season
This episode gave me mad Miss Frizzle (the Magic Schoolbus) vibes with Jodie.
What sorcery is this ? You’re watching an episode before I did?
Definitely was not high on this episode at all.... didn’t really get the whole point of the episode at all
For the first half I was like :)
Then the plastic message came up and I was like Orphan 55 flashbacks
Then they didn't go all preachy and I was like. :D
Yeah. The preaching this time was cool: everything on Earth is connected and humans are smart and brave and can solve problems and matter. I actually loved this episode in broad strokes.
I completely agree with your review, a decent episode. Still looks really good. I'm still loving Jodie's doctor, give her more to do.
Hitchcock vibes with these birds.
Any story would have struggled to follow last weeks story.
Bit upset with the casting of Warren Brown. He plays a main character in the UNIT Big Finish series, and I was rather hoping he'd be the same character. I don't listen to the audio stories all that much because of how expensive they are, but it would have been amazing to see them included (loosely) into the canon of the show. That would give us incentive! Regardless though, his character was very endearing and his performance as good as ever.
I'm never into filler episodes. It was an ok episode, but it's filler.
Definitely. There was nothing in this episode that I'll remeber a month from now
The episode had some good spots but it gets really tiring with the MORAL MESSAGE OF THE WEEK hitting you in the face like a dead halibut. Moral lessons are very Doctor Who, but I wish they'd ease up on the in your face street preacher method of story telling.
It was watchable enough,but there were way too many elements thrown in for a one-off episode.
Eco message.The Birds homage. Fretting partner. Alien virus invasion. Submerged spacecraft.
The ending was also too pat - exploding spacecraft cures absolutely everything..?
Great death scenes,though.
Hey, sesskasays, did you ever do a reaction to Rain Gods?
Or for that matter, to Meanwhile in the TARDIS? That's a fun 11th/Amy mini episode, which has 2 parts.
I'm worried Yaz is becoming too much like the Doctor. It's great, but, like, you can't regenerate, Yaz... keep that in mind XD
Microplastics are a huge problem and just one of the factors involved with humanity's impact on our planet. I studied the basics of it in college and the info given in this episode is spot on (if generalized for the sake of a tv audience). Do a quick Google Scholar search and you'll find dozens of pretty scary scientific articles about it.
I also loved the whole "ethics of medical testing" theme in this episode. Humanity's early medical history is full of scientists who tested their cures/vaccines on "volunteers" with no real idea of what the effects would be. Thing is, most of those "volunteers" were just people who couldn't say no - prisoners, orphans, slaves, the very poor, and the very desperate (Example: Edward Jenner, the guy who discovered how to vaccinate against smallpox, tested the first vaccination on an 8-year old boy). That's part of why medical testing is so strictly regulated today. Between the Doctor initially not wanting to test the cure on Adam because it was dangerous and the aliens making the entirety of Earth an unwilling test case, I thought there was some really interesting subtext in this episode about what it means to give medical consent.
As you can tell I'm a super-nerd and this episode touched on topics I'm super interested in, so I loved it!
This episode for me made my skin crawl, but it was a great story and with a twist. It was also the episode that made me look away a lot, (once or twice sadly not quickly enough), a bit like what Arachnids in the UK made me do in series 11. Seems to always be an episode that makes me look away. Just like the days watching it when I was a kid I suppose!
I mean, if it was a possible asteroid strike, nobody would be concerned about the message... having said that, I think there were problems. Sometimes the ability to show locations and effects and scale (not that kind) distracts from the occasional lack of detail. What of the contagion risk? Why have people died without bigger reactions? You know? I have questions. But it barrelled along in places and was certainly pleasant to watch.
I agree that it has a similar problem to 'Orphan 55'.
It's not just the number of side characters in both cases but the fact that they're unrelated, meaning you have to set up several premises and try and juggle them all to consistent pay-offs.
'Orphan 55' had 3 main pairs (the elderly couple, the mother and daughter, and the father and son) and basically tried to tell the stories in that order, spending a third of the runtime on each, before "killing them off" as not to have to deal with them further. And that's along with Ryan's relationship with the daughter, the threat of the episode, and the concept of the dystopian Earth/humans.
This episode had the travel vloggers, the couple, and Suki and her friend - so a similar situation of 3 main sets of unrelated character stories to deal with, and the only one that pushed through to some extent was the couple. If a writer wants that many side characters in an episode, that's fine, but they need to be more closely related if the writer wants to have time to develop them (and the main cast who've still been given very little this series) sufficiently.
This is my least favourite episode of Chibnall's era as I lacked any investment throughout (and that's coming from quite an ecologically aware, frequent activist).
As far as I've seen, the general consensus on this one seems to be quite positive though.
Also, I had a similar reaction to you at 8:26 when I saw 1:21 - "And the lecture of this week is..."
Independent story lines for the companions and the Doctor jumping from one to the other... What a brilliant idea, I would watch that!!!! Chibnal should be listening to you!
I was going to ask what's the occasion with you're massive gown, then I realised it was just two cushions.😂😂
@@sesskasays Yess! *snap* 😄💗👑
I don't need an occasion for a gown :)
@@sesskasays Next week I want a gown AND a tiara!
I agree it was not in the top 5 of this series, but still was better than most of the episodes from series 11, I enjoyed it... Except from the Brazilian lady, she was poorly written, more like an accessory to the story than a character with intelligence/feelings/grief for her friend. One big flaw I noticed is that she chooses to camp in the middle of the garbage instead of looking for a cleaner nearby space that would not smell as bad and/or attract scavenger wild life at night.
Yay!! The captioning is back!! - the Music Loving Klingon
Yaz using that teleport was definitely something Clara or Rose would have done and I loved it! (maybe wasn't the smartest idea but i was here for it anyway)
Delete Orphan 55 and insert this as Ep 3. That would have been better. Those two episodes had the same overall message and this is the better of the two.
Because of Orphan 55 this episode will get more hate than it should. Two episodes out of 10 and so close together with exactly the same message is one to many
You have to remember Yaz is a Police Officer. It's her job to Investigate. I like Episodes based on Factual Information. I enjoyed this Episode and understood everything about it. I am sorry you didn't.
Jamie Doyle you capitalise the most random of words lol
Mark McKeown Wish I knew what that meant.
@@Jamienomore Investigate, Episodes, Factual Information. You capitalise words that don't need it. Just pointing out how curious that is.
@Mark McKeown There is a difference between 'Curious' and 'Accurate'. 'Episodes' are what Reactions are all about. As a Police Officer Yaz was doing what she was trained to do. 'Factual Information' speaks for itself. Sorry you did not understand that.
Jamie Doyle lol so you capitalise when you want to emphasise a word that doesn’t naturally need one, gotcha.
Summary Of Episode: Did she just get attacked by a bird? XD
I have no memory of this episode
I know that I watched it but can't remember it at all.
Micro plastics are primarily caused by clothing it’s not a recycling issue though that’s good too
I love this episode
My favourite episode in a long time
This in my opinion was the least memorable
It's an older series 2011-2013 i believe , but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a Reaction series for the tv show "The Following" with Kevin Bacon & James Purefoy
Your hair looks nice
Weakest one of the Series so far
Watching this makes me happy
I love the screaming
It was a good episode.
more bbc eco stuff AGAIN!
Another crap episode
You are SO cute! Marry me plz.
Blog girl was written poorly. I like the idea and some of the execution of this episode, but it is one of those topics that I've been concerned about for 28 years or so, and I would like to see it get a hell of a lot more attention than it does. With the way people act about it, though, I'm less optimistic for our future than what I read...
I think 'Blog Girl' was supposed to be a 'typical Millennial', sort of self-centered and only caring about her vlog and YT fame.
*shrugs* Whatever the message was, it didn't work. I can see how that part could have been written better, though.
The message was supposed to be anti-Plastic waste but turned out to be "Don't befriend travel vloggers, they will get over you really fast". You are super diplomatic.
I think that's my least favourite episode in S12 so far but strangely enough I still liked it. I liked side-characters and the fact that the companions had more things to do than in previous episodes. It was just OK for me (and perhaps that's what I needed after the mind-blowing episode 5)
Your idea was better
Sadly after the incredible episode the week before... I felt this was a huge let down.... some criticise Orphan 55 but I really liked that one with a bizarre ending... this one however I felt was poorly paced....very monotonous and expositional and too any characters to focus on to fully get immersed in a story.... speaking of which the story itself i felt was lacking. Which is a shame ...I do hope series 12 gets back on track next week though.... this felt very series 11-ish.
12season is good?
Can we invite this co-writer back on next series to be the script-doctor? Every character felt like a character in this one and the dialogue was solid, and yeah. Moffat would polish up all the scripts in his era, get this person on board in the future for that job. Ryan wasn’t infantalized, Yaz had motivations, the Doctor (oddly enough) finally felt like she was the Doctor to me in this one, the gay couple were naturalistic and didn’t get killed, big ups all across the board, this episode nailed it. If every episode was this level of quality, this show would be exactly what Chibnall said it was supposed to be during press interviews.
I enjoyed it. Was glad to see Yas doing more and using her initiative. Fits her character. Ryan is really doing well with the laydees this series. Graham is very good at listening to people and giving sage advice. Warren Brown aka Jake and Bradley Walsh's performances when they were chatting very moving. I would love to see more of Adam and Jake. They could almost have their own spin-off. Jake could become a private eye investigating strange cases with his astronaut husband.
I didn't expect Chibnall and Co. to follow up on what he set in motion last week (and I really don't figure they'll do something great with all that stuff at all, call me a pessimist) so my expectations were precisely neutral coming in. As a result, I had a great time with this. The globetrotting, sprawling story reminded me of the sort of thing that they would routinely do in the Seventh Doctor novels that came out while the show was off the air. They tended to be filled with secondary characters one really wished would get out of the way so we could see what the Doctor, Ace, Benny, Roz, and Chris were up to so that otherwise problematic feature gave me an entirely inappropriate warm nostalgic glow. As much as I hate to admit it, it does not take much for Chibnall to please me this season. Expectations successfully adjusted, I reckon.
All the moaning about messages among internet people makes me wonder if they've ever seen any television of science fiction before. Like "Star Trek" never trotted out 'issue of the week' episodes. Even Tom Baker's Doctor had a go at fossil fuels a time or two back in the day. I guess we're pretending that none of that happened, or that it was absolutely perfectly executed and subtly insightful back then, eh? Giant green maggots anyone?
Ok episode, looking forward to the nxt one, and the finale! When you react to power of the daleks parts 5 & 6 you should also watch the surviving clips after
The number of characters could be dealt with simply by staying with one story long enough to examine all sides of something. But I don't know if that's the environment (if you'll pardon the expression) we're in right now. Despite its best intentions, this season is working better when it sticks to the familiar problems in continuity or the 'in-universe' stuff of the Time Lords. It wasn't so noticeable last series because, of course, they weren't in it!
How many save the planet episodes can we have in 1 season? lets find out! a one, a two, CRUNCH three. I predict a 3rd in our future. While I found this episode very dull and boring the plastic pollution is legit. But the whole plot? an alien came to earth to infect us to find a cure for humans which wouldnt work on her species because they arent human. GG. orphan55 is still worse but it started off ok i was down with the resort and the machines getting infected but the section they introduced the monster and left the base i was done. this episode i was just sleeping through
The Tardis has had more passengers since 13th doctor arrived
use to really mean something asked aboard, lost priority boarding status
P's Still waiting for my invite
This week's episode was always going to be seen as inferior after last week. It was a solid story....probably would've been one of the best stories last season. That comment shows how the standard of story telling has improved this season and long may it continue :}.
I enjoyed it tho it wasn’t my favourite. I think it was mainly the death scenes and the effects that made me like it as much as I did. I agree about all you said with the travel girl. I didn’t really like her lol. Maybe her and her friend weren’t close 😂
I agree that the characters could have used more depth. The alien girl looked human, why not make her more alien? Did her race evolve just like ours by coincidence? I like the pairing of Graham with Yaz, I was thinking before this episode that we need to see that. The Doctor was good here, ideas flashing into her head (there was an off-hand remark about her having multiple brains?) and she was funny. For modern Who she's my 2nd favorite Doctor at the moment, right after David Tennant.
While I don't mind message episodes I think 1 per season is good, this came pretty soon after the last one so I'm sure there will be people complaining about it being preachy.
The aliens looked human because they reflect us - in their behaviour they are all too human. They made the same mistakes with pollution and resort to unethical science to solve it.
If she was more alien looking, we would have been suspicious of her from the start and it would not have had a twist in the tale.
@@davidmckie7128 We should not automatically be suspicious of aliens, especially when there are so many bad humans.
I finally have a not favorite episode...a bit choppy for my taste. I definitely appreciated your reaction.
1:35 kar kar
I'm not watching Dr Who anymore.
Ok bye
Need more 2 part stories to give the companions space to do their own things, more complex plot lines.
I liked the possibilities in a lot of this episode. But I have to agree, there's so many there's no room for any but a cameo appearance for most. Perhaps viewer's imagination needs to go into the credits? 😎
I have to say, the shots in neon Hong Kong looked beautiful.
My god you’re quick! Lol
yikes
Not one of the best, but was OK.
Seems like Yaz is going the Clara route she’s putting herself in dangerous situations by herself... I think something will happen to her by the finale
Maybe because she was so close to death in the first episode that triggered something in her that makes her more impulsive
Rhodri Williams I guess, but even in the first episode she was being more risky which is what lead her to nearly dying... I have a feeling they’re setting something up with her character
ryan shannon hmm I hope so, would be interesting to see what they do with her.
This season is being particularly preachy, more so than the previous one. In the historical ones, the Doctor takes a _long_ time spewing the backstory of the historical figures, like an encyclopedia. Compare the time and length of lines describing Tesla or Ada to the ones describing Agatha Christie or Madame du Pompadour, not to mention Van Gogh. It used to show more and explain less.
And the ones covering current events and possible futures are suffering from the same issue. We didn't get so much of the Doctor explaining things in a rush in The Long Game or The Bells of Saint John, where he got equally annoyed at humans "you people/lot doing this or that are driving humanity towards its doom". But Jodie had to memorize paragraphs here and in Orphan 55; and the people felt more disposable than usual. I like the morals underneath them, but the delivery feels like a slap to the face. Sigh....
The show was originally a children's educational show, so I think it's nice they're going back to the roots of informing people about history and science. They need to work on the delivery a bit, especially that speech in Orphan 55, but that's only a minor thing for me rather than a huge turn-off. Climate change is really important, so whatever'll drive the point home...
And people know who Agatha Christie and Van Gogh are; this season is doing a good job with showing lesser-known historical figures. I'm a math/computer science enthusiast so I knew about Ada Lovelace, but many don't, and I'd never heard of Noor Khan. And a lot of people only know about Tesla like Graham did, that he was inventor, but not what he did--plus people don't know about Edison's questionable business practices. Again, I agree they could work on the delivery, but I love that they've found a way to return to the educational roots *and* keep the heavy lore/dark past intact (I'm pretty iffy about the extra Doctor, though. I don't want them to completely uproot the Doctor's past by making her pre-first Doctor, it doesn't sit well with me).
Im getting very tired of "preachy lesson of the week"
I did like the Astronaut and his husband, i liked Yaz having more airtime and i liked the global perspective.
Lots of problems though.
It's preachy as hell. I don't mind if the episode has a message. (Smile - Dangers of Tech, Oxygen/Thin Ice - Corporate Greed) I do mind it being so utterly in your face that it loses it's intended effect. At least for me but I could be the minority. The season started out entertaining. So far I have liked all but episodes 3 and 6. I am hoping that the rest of the season isn't as heavy handed. Yes I could stop watching but that's how the show was put on hiatus before. They had some weaker seasons and used the drop in viewers as an excuse to stop making them. Personally it would be heartbreaking to have a show end because of an inconsistent show runner.