The answer as to who finances Talon Company is obvious, it's Todd Howard. He employs them to deal with anyone who questions his wise and all-correct judgment.
Getting on the wrong side of Talon Company early game basically provides a renewable resource of weapons and armor. Which is nice, especially after you get the Ranger Battle Armor.
@@GhemourMoncef Not just that, but it's lighter than power armor, and gives more bonuses. I submit that Ranger Battle Armor is probably the best armor in game.
@@jackstecker5796 yep i used it alot with three dog's headwrap and the lucky shades and the lucky 8 ball i remember using the terrible shotgun and the preforator and landing critical hits on everything that moves
@@GhemourMoncef A man after my own heart. I preferred Lincoln's Repeater, myself. That thing is an absolute murder machine. But the Wazer Wifle definitely ranks a close second. Guess it just depends on your play-style. When I first leveled up after getting the Repeater, took Grim Reaper's Sprint, and Holy crap, it was like I flipped on a cheat code. Also, first playthrough I dumped the 8-ball.😪
"It is uncertain why Tenpenny is tagged as very evil" Yeah, I can't imagine why a guy who wants to nuke a town for the sole reason of it being a bit of an eyesore would be considered evil.
I dont belive that the enclave and talon fighting contradicts my theory that the enclave is secretly hiring them, because eden hired them on purpose (via shell company like you said) to keep the wasteland lawless so the enclave can sweep in and "save" the wasteland, this fits perfectly with what we see in the game, enclave specifically targetting talon company after they go public shows that they are trying to show that they are better and saving the wasteland from the dangers in that irradiated hellscape.
I find the President Eden theory kinda scary accurate as if you think about it the major symbol of the United States was the Eagle. And what does a eagle need too do "work" his talons... is this just me just over thinking things but then again they also are colored black like enclave soldiers just a more cheap expandable version but loyal too the probably massive funds Eden has at his disposal.
@@daviddwodo3748 You can't be serious.... he leads the enclave and even if he had zero funding from them since they are new too the area. Eden is literally the United States government failsafe program and has all it's records of bunkers full of weapons, ammo, vehicles etc and the old treasury itself located in the DC area he has endless ways to have collected money to fund a personal army.
The eagle has represented every country in the History of Time this side of Turkey Rome the Nazis Scandinavian countries all sorts of fascist group. the USA is not unique it's just the newest iteration of caucasian fascism kinda tell you everything you need to know about your country in one image. You have unbridled access to firearms but no Healthcare or welfare that is a Recipe For Disaster and as for your food habits I have a solution to your eagle problem 🐔🐔🐔 when I think of America I think chicken in Afghanistan and Kentucky lol
I wonder if their group was ever intended to be joinable, or at least have quests directly attached for evil characters. It seems like they have tons of story potential, but instead of explanations all we get is speculation. Between the scientist and the uniquely named base commander, I think there was 'meant to be more to' this faction
I think the implication is that Talon Company is actually backed by multiple people/organizations on a per-contract basis. Littlehorn and associates might be behind the good karma contract, Burke has his own hit if we disarm the Megaton bomb, And The Enclave could be paying not in caps, but in firepower in the form of laser rifles, for removing the mutants from DC. Who's to say that Abraham Washington hasn't taken out a contract to secure the mall as well, given that he's interested in some of the documents inside the National Archives.
That's what I'm thinking as well. I think Littlehorn and Associates might be funded by Eden. Burke might be working for something larger and has close ties with Talon. It feels like he has access to resources that simply being Tenpenny's go to man would.
@@volition142 I think that's a gameplay/story difference. We see a similar problem with the raiders; they attack anyone on sight, so how does anyone join them?
@@crabman3144 Plus wastelanders that have been surviving for years and not fresh from a vault probably would know whatever 'relations' dealing with base they have to contact from, and not be like the player character unknowingly traipsing into their shoot on sight territories lol
it's possible that Eden did contract the Talon company in a way similar to operation Northwood. for those unfamiliar essentially it was an idea during the Cold war the CIA proposed the president, false flag attacks would be conducted on American citizens and be blamed on Cuban radicalist thus ensuring support for an invasion of Cuba. Eden could have had the similar idea of wanting The enclave to look like the good guys by simply mopping them and thus showing their strength as they were able to do what no one else could. also in operation Anchorage some of the outcasts mentioned wanting to join Talon company because the pay is better.
You're living Operation Northwoods, Bethesda is controlled by the Corporations who obviously control America. There is no way they'd project this onto a video game so it would make you semi self-aware.
I think it's the enclave. What gives it away is the whole "The strong shall rule." Since it falls in line with their doctrine. Also Notice that when edin brings up his list of wasteland malcontents he never mentions the talon co mercs.
The thing is the Enclave and Talon actively try and kill each other. So as much as this would make a lot of sense, this one fact blows this theory out of the water sadly. As it is a really good theory
@@SethAurelius94 enclave always used people. They used Slav labor before and kidnapped people for FEV experiments. They’d definitely kill talon co mercs once they were no longer a good pawn
The satellite array can actually summon a orbital bombardment via terminal, what the ghoul scientist wanted, the problem is the connection was blocked. What's blocking it? Bottles left within the dish wich when physically removed allow the connection to be made.
I'm a firm believer it's Daniel Littlehorn. The way the Fallout 3 guide treats him, I assume he knows everyone from the Talon Company commander to Eulogy Jones to Tenpenny and Mr. Burke is just another guy with the Contract Killer perk.
I don't know, Littlehorn doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. I feel like he would have other contract killers that are more unseen, whereas Talon Company mercs are too brash and visible. He also mentions that the Lone Wanderer probably hasn't noticed his employees.
I keep telling everyone, Moira Brown is THE criminal mastermind of the Capitol Wasteland. Moira is the most persistent NPC in game when it comes to trying to kill the Lone Wanderer. She is the one financing Talon Company. Hell, she has even hacked the game files to make her look like she has good karma (she drops an ear, not a finger), thus throwing everyone off her scent.
I honestly always figured perhaps Vault-Tec was behind these other somewhat lesser merc factions. Everyone always tells me that VT is dead, but considering how much rogue artificial intelligence we have running around and the fact Enclave leadership seems to pop up from time to time, I don't it's outside the realm of possibility. The reason I have for VT having all these mercs running around? No clue. I think I just want VT to be an actual enemy to fight one day in a Fallout game.
There was a very old idea for a Fallout movie many years ago, and in that movie it was planned to be revealed that Vault-Tec caused the Great War by dropping the first nukes, all for the sake of their experiments. That has stuck with me ever since, and I would love for Vault-Tec to have more presence in these games. They are a fascinating antagonist, despite us only running into their deeds long after the fact in most of the games.
@@kayleescruggs6888 Not particularly no, at least in terms of anything that survived making it into any of the games. The closest I know of being in Fallout Tactics which suggested all of the Vaults were secretly being monitored and observed by a special control Vault. This Vault however was controlled by a supercomputer, and there were no living employees. That and there being a few Enclave connections scattered here and there, though those are pretty minor. That aside, it is a shame we don't have more as VT is a rather unique "faction" in Fallout's world, and seeing more of them in some way would be nice.
I wonder if Talon Company and even Gunner may be funded, in part, by a variety of people, rather than one person, or small group. May have started by being funded by one person. But by the time the Lone Wanderer is around, it could be anyone with caps, or what have you. And thus not one person, or small group, finances them, anymore.
“What about Tenpenny gives him very evil karma?” I mean could it be the fact he wanted to explode a town with a nuclear bomb because it looked ugly on the horizon of the blown out wasteland he shoots living creatures from absolute safety in?
He just complained to Burke it was an eyesore once. The entire plan was Mr. Burke's invention. Tenpenny is oblivious to consequences of Burke's actions to please him. Pretty sure he has dementia.
@@MaynardCrow But you meet with Tenpenny up in the tower and he sits beside you with the detonator and is pleased to watch you activate it. Additionally he pays you caps and gives you a penthouse for doing so.
One of them has the only black combat helmet as well! :D I love their armor so I always save mega ton, then go to the unmarked hilltop place with a load of lockpicks (with the unique sniper in) they seem to always spawn outside with free armor for me after going to evergreen mills for that beast of a shotgun!
Perhaps the people behind Talon Company are the same one's who raised Charon. You know, the intense Ghoul mercenary/slave who is loyal only to his contract (a loyalty seemingly beyond any moral restraint) due to the... Interesting and mysterious people who raised hin. That and his love of combat shotguns and grenades. Seems he would be well in line with them at least, even though Charon isnt a bad guy.
Huh. Never considered the Eden connection. Fits best in my eyes due to the regular focus on the DC Mall area. The only reason to be there is to either kill mutants, or "preserve" history; Eden fits both.
absolutely would love a video on Caesar’s Legion’s potential succession crisis did Caesar have his own set of possible inheritors? could someone man up and take the legion in a different direction in order to survive? will any changes even be followed by loyalists who solely follow caesar himself?
I just wish they had more to them. In a completely lawless and governmentless society, they have almost no real justification for existing really. Unless of course they were explained better like they're trying to gain some kind of power politically or something. In reality tho they're raiders with a different skin
If youre playing a villain character, You wipe them out. Plain and simple. Assault their bunker, and burn every single one of them to cinders, Brotherhood of Nod, Black Hand-style. Then piss on their remains and claim it as your own. That's exactly what I did when I was playing a chaotic evil girl-villain. I made them pay. Then I proceeded to erase every wandering company of theirs and dump their still burning corpses in the Potomac River. You teach them as you push them into extinction that YOU'RE the only thing they should fear. End of story.
Oh the wood thing is totally realistic, in the UK loads of old fences and phone booths were scrapped to make ammo and flak during the blitz! theres actually a long wall with no railing that has a little plaque that points this out in my town not far from where I live.
My theory, talon company and the gunners are both funded by the Ciphers. We know they were ment to be in van buren and nv mentions them. I think they're funding them so they have more breathing room
@@danieldragotti2608 Ah, but they're all the way in the NCR though, why meddle in the East coast? Surely they would be running this sort of geopolitics closer to home?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 they were a faction in van Buren and mentioned in nv. Think cult mechanum from 40k but less restrictive beliefs. They can fix anything but not reproduce it.
I always got annoyed that the fact they were always waiting for me in the metros in fallout 3 like it is fun to explore the metros and everything but they were always waiting for you always I just liked it whenever I would have a funny character name and it would show up for the contract in their loot and they always had a almost broken down combat shotgun but I love to see your video up man I've been starting to work and going in for my second day and this is brought me lots of joy May Adam shine brightly on you rad King
Oh i have an idea for a video! Maybe you can contrast and compare Talon Company to The Gunners from Fallout 4. Or maybe who could win in a fight? Or how some members of Talon Company broke away and became Gunners. Anyways these are just ideas and thanks for your time checking out my comment. Love your videos thanks RadKing!!
She can't stand the idea if doing more good in the wasteland because she takes so much pride in being helpful. When she gets too jealous, her alternate personality Moari Black puts out a contract. She was also a ghoul the whole time. The Megaton blast just destroyed the human skin mask she was wearing.
Very interesting video. I hadn't really thought about this before, and you raise some valid points, but ultimately, my conclusion is that there doesn't have to be one single financier behind them. It fits their bloodthirsty, unrelenting and undiscerning nature that they would take any and all jobs that come their way. Burke could be paying them to go after do-gooders that inadvertently interfere with his and Tenpenny's shady business endeavours - and Tenpenny would allow it because the wasteland being chaotic only makes his tower more exclusive and desirable. The Enclave (or Eden in secret) could also be contracting them to keep the wasteland in chaos so that they could swoop in and "save America" and be seen as the heroes of the hour. They would stop paying them at that moment which explains the in-game hostility between them. Littlehorn & Associates most likely pays Talon tons in caps for the ears they bring in. Hell, someone in the Brotherhood could secretly (á la Scribe Bigsley) be paying Talon to throw a few mercs at the Super Mutants in lieu of sending more Brothers of Steel to die in the ruins, and if those mercs die, it would be all the better. Ultimately though, I agree that all these factions are just unwitting peons in control by Dave and his Republic.
I'm absolutely subscribing to the theory that the Talon Company got their armor and weapons from undisclosed Enclave personnel. Wreaking havoc and destruction by terrorizing the wasteland until the good ol' USA shows up to annihilate them. Ridding the wasteland of Talon Company overnight would easily paint the Enclave as heroes that anyone would believe in.
I genuinely believe that the super mutants, while heavily damaged, are mentally there and are just holding up in the most memorable landmarks from the vault mutants’ minds
You're definitely rapidly becoming my favorite fallout content creator keep it up, went back and watched pretty much all of your videos and I want more! Lol for real though great job man my opinion don't mean much but still
I always assumed the enclave supplied and financed them and ordered them to cause chaos in the capital wasteland so they were accepted easier, and the talon company doesn’t know that way when the enclave takes over they could quickly take over and get rid of any resistance by the talon company
I love your concept about the Corps, some of the East Coast factions seemed so localized, even the Brotherhood of Steel being active in only a few limited places. Especially with the West Coast having huge nation-States like the Legion and NCR.
I don't think Talon Company is financed by any one person. Clearing out the mutants of DC seems like something the enclave would be fine paying someone else to do as it would require a lot of human losses no matter which faction takes up the task. Seeing as they probably have plenty of stuff to trade with, they could easily sway the Talon Company to help in that way seeing as they could probably take on Talon Company once they are done.
Fun fact that I’m sure a lot of people know: if you snitch on Burke in Megaton, you can actually kill him before he shoots Lucas Simms as long as you do it as soon as he pulls out his gun. Simms thanks you next time he sees you and you gain karma, and consequently the Talon Company hit squad mentioned here never gets sent. Because I’ve done this on every good character I’ve played I actually didn’t even know that was a thing.
It’s possible that Tenpenny uses Talon Company to spread chaos in the wastes so that Tenpenny Tower not only remains as the most sophisticated and high society settlement, but also as an important mercantile force in the wastes (along the same lines as Venice), as the other settlements in the region are known to have a vast array of problems that Tenpenny Tower just doesn’t have (Little Lamplight is not a full settlement given that they kick out over 16s, Megaton’s infrastructure is failing, Rivet City is having power and water issues, Arefu is completely undefended, Underworld is completely resource barren in a region surrounded by hostiles, and Bigtown is just Bigtown it would probably be easier to say what is going well for them as opposed to listing problems), with the notable exceptions of the mostly unknown Oasis, Paradise Falls (which is only because it is really just a more sophisticated raider base as opposed to a city or settlement), and the Republic of Dave (which in all seriousness is actually quite successful in terms of Capitol Wasteland settlements). Although a big piece of evidence going against Tenpenny being in charge of Talon Company is that they weren’t used on the raid on Fort Constantine, so it is possible that Talon Company was Mr.Burke’s idea (provided that he showed up AFTER the failed raid).
There's a fair amount of implied lore that Littlehorn is some sort of Demonic or Satanic like entity. I don't remember it all, but it neatly explains his motivations (he literally just wants to spread sin) and his endless amount of wealth. It would also explain Talon Company's wide remit on the contract. Also it could easily be a combination of factors.
Even his name Littlehorn fits the bill. I always love those little sprinklings of supernatural horror in every Fallout game. Not enough to totally change the genre and feel, but juuuust enough to make you wonder. And be creeped out.
I really wish Fallout 4 didn't introduce the Gunners and just stuck with Talon Company, because now we have 2 merc companies on the east coast with hardly any lore.
I'm always down for some speculation especially when it's based on the scant evidence that can be found. I think the obvious answer for Talon is that Beth needed raiders but stronger, but I would've loved to see a little more thought put into it
I think its littlehorn and associates. Burke doesn’t seem to be sadistic, but calculated. So why would some random guy who gave an old lady a violin even be on his radar? And the fact they want your head and littlehorn and associates collect ears can’t be a coincidence. He’s definitely a sadist who wants to seed chaos and sometimes he must want more than just those ears. He’d definitely have you killed for giving an old lady a violin.
Something i never understood about slavery in Fallout 3 is: Who's even buying slaves? Most people in the wasteland are too poor to afford them and the ones that aren't don't actually seem to own any slaves.
Probably ship them elsewhere to make ammo, armor or work but then again, Fallout 3 is a idea wasteland and feels barely complete as you walk past all the scrapped and half working ideas.
I always assumed the enclave funded them. Makes sense to me, if they’re calling themselves Americans, then they’d act like them and pay others to fight for them.
My crackpot idea in Fallout 4 better would be Shaun has converted the Gunners into Synths so they can take over the world without exposing themselves and have "Infinite" Highly trained soliders ready to go.
It's Vault-Tec. The Gunners of Fallout 4 are a similar faction who stem from a Vault and were trained for a specific purpose: keeping the wasteland a dysfunctional, violent hellscape until given orders otherwise. Talon Company's targeting of "good people" is essentially this same exact mission. Similarly you find Talon Company doing things like trying to secure the Capitol building and assisting an unnamed ghoul scientist as she tries to get control over an orbital strike satellite array.
I have long thought that Talon Co. and the Gunners were both the same faction, or branches of the same faction, just going by different names due to operating in different regions, so their association is blurred, and any atrocities one group commits won't reflect (as) poorly on the other plausible deniability in essence no clue who the benefactor is though
Yes to speculation vids. Would love to hear your take on the Legion surviving after Hoover Dam. I always thought that Ceasar could groom the courier to be his successor or in the case of his death , could very well usurp Lanius and become Caesar
I never understood why talon company and much more the gunners are instantly hostile to the player. They're mercenaries. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY SHOOT ON SIGHT?! WHY CAN'T WE HIRE THEM? It's all really dumb and they're not fleshed out. So they really feel like they're just there to have a higher tech enemy than raiders
Something not that related to the faction in itself but lag-bolt had a girlfriend, and you can find her remains and last words on the presidential metro. You can find his brother too when doing grady's unmarked quest in the metro of grayditch
@RadKing Hear me out, what if The Talon Company is the Gunners, it would explain how it gets so much financing, the Gunners and Talon Company both are Mercenary groups and Both make use of the Combat Armor. They both have Similar Ranking structure and weaponry aswell.
fun fact about the ear perk guy Daniel Littlehorn: "Little Horn" is one of the names used to refer to the antichrist in the bible, i think danny is meant to be a sort of devilish caricature of evil. maybe this sucks as far as lore speculation goes but it definitely adds flavor to have such cartoony characters in the post apocalypse lol
Always wanted a deep dive into Talon Company because I think they’re under devolved but so prevalent, once I thought of them as my main enemy in a play through. Glad to see lots of good theories I can use in head cannon, Thanks.
I feel Moira put the contract on you. It's how the contract ends, "good hunting" the same thing Moira says to you at the end of every conversation and quest she gives you for the "wasteland survival guide".
That actually makes a scary amount of sense. She hires Talon Company to repeatedly attack you and make your work on the survival guide harder so you have more survival advice to put in the thing.
Littlehorn is the devil, or a servant of, so it makes sense he’d be paying the Talon Company to cause chaos and kill good people. - Of course, it’s kind of shitty writing.
I was thinking- who would have the resources to keep this many mercs paid and equipped, but then I realized anyone could be rich - they’d just need to have control of an old bottling plant, or a bottle cap making machine, and the scrap metal needed to produce caps.
This right here. And who hates the wasteland AND is a faction that in game has controlled a facility like that? The Chinese Remnants. Think about it, a Chinese remnant ghoul is trying to bring down nukes on the Capital wasted, the Remnants still advertising prewar Chinese propaganda, their holding of a fodd processing plant, and the lore of how they infiltrated through food and manufacturing facilities. One of which could be a Nuka Cola plant. And why wouldn't a plant exist in DC area? They have the Nuka Cola headquarters there. So why not? Add it all up and bam, Chinese Remnants.
Well gee I'm flattered to be featured in the video. I will concede that I did not think about the MF Cell wich kinda puts a wrench in the gears of my theory. However I still believe that the fact you only find one of them in FO3 (disregarding FNV since it's a model port) AND that you find it next to all the other items relating to the Battle of Anchorage simulation does still leave some room for it to be true. I'd also find it strange for the Americans to make fake Chinese propaganda featuring them using AMERICAN weapons. Then again it makes equally little sense that the simulation would show you as an american being issued a Chinese weapon... but people did use scavenged weapons in pretty much all wars, you can find pictures of Germans using the PPSH or Americans using the STG-44, so round and round it goes. Anyhow, another great video from the best Fallout youtuber.
I was worried you'd be stretching it in this video when I saw its length, but once I saw The Republic of Dave I knew you knew what you were talking about and in a loreful manner.
Wierd video request, but what would be ur ideal fallout gang, or have u ever thought of making a fallout gang? I love the vipers but there's no real lore on them
I was just thinking of Talon Company yesterday while watching your videos on the pistols of fallout and the 1’st chem vid!! Thanks for another amazing vid!
I would love to see a New York/ New Jersey fallout game where in the meadowlands you can find MetLife stadium which is like diamond city but a football field. Maybe have two factions in the stadium one wearing green and white jets colors, and the other wearing blue red and white giants colors, or the football field is divided right down the middle with a faction called the offenders on one side and the other faction being called the defenders on the opposite side. Maybe they battle at midfield every Sunday in some misguided memory of football. Also New Jersey has Atlantic City which is a gambling hotspot, maybe the sign is partially destroyed leaving it the city of Atlant. In between these two locations you can put the pine Barron’s and incorporate the Jersey devil as a cryptid or mutated creature. Then with Manhattan the possibilities are limitless between the subways and different burrows, as well as many small islands along the shore. Ellis island and the Statue of Liberty would be great sites to visit. Maybe one of them could be used as a base for the Underground Railroad. Iconic locations like the Empire State Building, Chrysler building, Times Square, Central Park, and Grand Central Station are must haves. I’m so glad you mentioned the topic of New York/New Jersey fallout game, because I’ve been wanting it for years. Hopefully it actually happens.
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The answer as to who finances Talon Company is obvious, it's Todd Howard. He employs them to deal with anyone who questions his wise and all-correct judgment.
“He said it doesn’t work, sick em boys”
Darn it, i wanted to say somethinga across these lines.
@@thebigsucc030 "Ready to feel 16 times the pain"
*Hits to close*
@@Stahlvanten It just works
Getting on the wrong side of Talon Company early game basically provides a renewable resource of weapons and armor. Which is nice, especially after you get the Ranger Battle Armor.
It's one of my favorite armors because of the luck state
@@GhemourMoncef Not just that, but it's lighter than power armor, and gives more bonuses. I submit that Ranger Battle Armor is probably the best armor in game.
@@jackstecker5796 yep i used it alot with three dog's headwrap and the lucky shades and the lucky 8 ball i remember using the terrible shotgun and the preforator and landing critical hits on everything that moves
@@GhemourMoncef A man after my own heart. I preferred Lincoln's Repeater, myself. That thing is an absolute murder machine. But the Wazer Wifle definitely ranks a close second. Guess it just depends on your play-style.
When I first leveled up after getting the Repeater, took Grim Reaper's Sprint, and Holy crap, it was like I flipped on a cheat code.
Also, first playthrough I dumped the 8-ball.😪
@@jackstecker5796 it's as if I wrote your caption
"It is uncertain why Tenpenny is tagged as very evil"
Yeah, I can't imagine why a guy who wants to nuke a town for the sole reason of it being a bit of an eyesore would be considered evil.
Guy literally murders random people walking by. "*What about Tennpenny gives him very evil karma?*" TF?
Also he owned slaves.
Average british person
average Bethesda fallout fans level of humanity and intelligence
@@OrdkaMarlSkirata
Fallout 3 > Fallout NV
I dont belive that the enclave and talon fighting contradicts my theory that the enclave is secretly hiring them, because eden hired them on purpose (via shell company like you said) to keep the wasteland lawless so the enclave can sweep in and "save" the wasteland, this fits perfectly with what we see in the game, enclave specifically targetting talon company after they go public shows that they are trying to show that they are better and saving the wasteland from the dangers in that irradiated hellscape.
@@isonlygameyuhefftobemad9544 Rad should really give me perms to moderate his youtube comments so I can delete that bullshit
@@Pigness7 guy really likes his honey.
Edit: I can’t believe I read 70% of that
Robocop plot
The Enclave can be seen bombing Talon locations in game so I don’t think the Enclave is backing them.
@@matthewryan2060 it’s all part of their fucking plan, man. Don’tchya see it?
Who are they? Free combat armor!
and guns and ammo!
I find the President Eden theory kinda scary accurate as if you think about it the major symbol of the United States was the Eagle. And what does a eagle need too do "work" his talons... is this just me just over thinking things but then again they also are colored black like enclave soldiers just a more cheap expandable version but loyal too the probably massive funds Eden has at his disposal.
How does the AI collect bottle caps? Using robots to collect em?
@@daviddwodo3748 You can't be serious.... he leads the enclave and even if he had zero funding from them since they are new too the area. Eden is literally the United States government failsafe program and has all it's records of bunkers full of weapons, ammo, vehicles etc and the old treasury itself located in the DC area he has endless ways to have collected money to fund a personal army.
The eagle has represented every country in the History of Time this side of Turkey Rome the Nazis Scandinavian countries all sorts of fascist group. the USA is not unique it's just the newest iteration of caucasian fascism kinda tell you everything you need to know about your country in one image. You have unbridled access to firearms but no Healthcare or welfare that is a Recipe For Disaster and as for your food habits I have a solution to your eagle problem 🐔🐔🐔 when I think of America I think chicken in Afghanistan and Kentucky lol
@@SasoriZert why so serious🥶
@@daviddwodo3748 This is me far from serious that was just me stating facts and nothing else
I wonder if their group was ever intended to be joinable, or at least have quests directly attached for evil characters. It seems like they have tons of story potential, but instead of explanations all we get is speculation. Between the scientist and the uniquely named base commander, I think there was 'meant to be more to' this faction
Just like the gunner in FO4
@@purplenurp5590 RIGHT?
Hopefully Microsoft helps Bethesda get their shit together and they stop cutting content
@@Vityaz1917 I thought Microsoft was very hands off when it comes to studios they acquire. Hmm let's hopefully they can get their shit together
@@maverickslastoddworld6476 yeah but hopefully they’re not hands off to the point they let a game be unfinished lol
I think the implication is that Talon Company is actually backed by multiple people/organizations on a per-contract basis. Littlehorn and associates might be behind the good karma contract, Burke has his own hit if we disarm the Megaton bomb, And The Enclave could be paying not in caps, but in firepower in the form of laser rifles, for removing the mutants from DC. Who's to say that Abraham Washington hasn't taken out a contract to secure the mall as well, given that he's interested in some of the documents inside the National Archives.
That's what I'm thinking as well. I think Littlehorn and Associates might be funded by Eden. Burke might be working for something larger and has close ties with Talon. It feels like he has access to resources that simply being Tenpenny's go to man would.
Yes but they attack anyone so what sane person would attempt to hire them
@@volition142 I think that's a gameplay/story difference. We see a similar problem with the raiders; they attack anyone on sight, so how does anyone join them?
@@crabman3144 Plus wastelanders that have been surviving for years and not fresh from a vault probably would know whatever 'relations' dealing with base they have to contact from, and not be like the player character unknowingly traipsing into their shoot on sight territories lol
I thought this to be obvious too, now we have this unnecessary video.
it's possible that Eden did contract the Talon company in a way similar to operation Northwood. for those unfamiliar essentially it was an idea during the Cold war the CIA proposed the president, false flag attacks would be conducted on American citizens and be blamed on Cuban radicalist thus ensuring support for an invasion of Cuba. Eden could have had the similar idea of wanting The enclave to look like the good guys by simply mopping them and thus showing their strength as they were able to do what no one else could.
also in operation Anchorage some of the outcasts mentioned wanting to join Talon company because the pay is better.
You're living Operation Northwoods, Bethesda is controlled by the Corporations who obviously control America.
There is no way they'd project this onto a video game so it would make you semi self-aware.
I think it's the enclave. What gives it away is the whole "The strong shall rule." Since it falls in line with their doctrine. Also Notice that when edin brings up his list of wasteland malcontents he never mentions the talon co mercs.
Underrated comment
The thing is the Enclave and Talon actively try and kill each other. So as much as this would make a lot of sense, this one fact blows this theory out of the water sadly. As it is a really good theory
@@sleepshouter5017 Could be that by the point the enclave show up talon co have outlived their usefulness. but you make a good point.
@@SethAurelius94 enclave always used people. They used Slav labor before and kidnapped people for FEV experiments. They’d definitely kill talon co mercs once they were no longer a good pawn
Tennpenney. He's the only one in the area with the funds and power but after he gets his tower he lets them loose.
Wasteland safari
I think Burke is some kind if executive at Talon Co. Tennpenney is his biggest client
just blew my mind, that makes so much sense
What od Daniel Littlehorn?
And also his security guard wear custom painted combat armor,like Talon company
The satellite array can actually summon a orbital bombardment via terminal, what the ghoul scientist wanted, the problem is the connection was blocked. What's blocking it? Bottles left within the dish wich when physically removed allow the connection to be made.
Lmao
And then it works after?
@@matinazadeh6870 Yes, and if you go outside onto the walkways you will see several mini nuke blasts on the horizon.
I'm a firm believer it's Daniel Littlehorn. The way the Fallout 3 guide treats him, I assume he knows everyone from the Talon Company commander to Eulogy Jones to Tenpenny and Mr. Burke is just another guy with the Contract Killer perk.
Yeah. I think it could be too.
I don't know, Littlehorn doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. I feel like he would have other contract killers that are more unseen, whereas Talon Company mercs are too brash and visible. He also mentions that the Lone Wanderer probably hasn't noticed his employees.
speculation lore is absolutely fantastic. Not much to do now but give our own view from our experiences from playing.
I keep telling everyone, Moira Brown is THE criminal mastermind of the Capitol Wasteland. Moira is the most persistent NPC in game when it comes to trying to kill the Lone Wanderer. She is the one financing Talon Company. Hell, she has even hacked the game files to make her look like she has good karma (she drops an ear, not a finger), thus throwing everyone off her scent.
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Interesting…
What of Daniel Littlehorn? Could he be financing them?
Jar Jar Binks of Fallout
I always kill Moria to check out her undies.
I honestly always figured perhaps Vault-Tec was behind these other somewhat lesser merc factions. Everyone always tells me that VT is dead, but considering how much rogue artificial intelligence we have running around and the fact Enclave leadership seems to pop up from time to time, I don't it's outside the realm of possibility. The reason I have for VT having all these mercs running around? No clue. I think I just want VT to be an actual enemy to fight one day in a Fallout game.
There was a very old idea for a Fallout movie many years ago, and in that movie it was planned to be revealed that Vault-Tec caused the Great War by dropping the first nukes, all for the sake of their experiments. That has stuck with me ever since, and I would love for Vault-Tec to have more presence in these games. They are a fascinating antagonist, despite us only running into their deeds long after the fact in most of the games.
Is there any lore about what happened to VT after the bombs fell? They seemed to have simply disappeared.
@@kayleescruggs6888 Not particularly no, at least in terms of anything that survived making it into any of the games. The closest I know of being in Fallout Tactics which suggested all of the Vaults were secretly being monitored and observed by a special control Vault. This Vault however was controlled by a supercomputer, and there were no living employees. That and there being a few Enclave connections scattered here and there, though those are pretty minor. That aside, it is a shame we don't have more as VT is a rather unique "faction" in Fallout's world, and seeing more of them in some way would be nice.
I wonder if Talon Company and even Gunner may be funded, in part, by a variety of people, rather than one person, or small group. May have started by being funded by one person. But by the time the Lone Wanderer is around, it could be anyone with caps, or what have you. And thus not one person, or small group, finances them, anymore.
I like to imagine some higher ups at the Enclave pay off Talon Co to destabilize the Wasteland and weaken the Brotherhood.
“What about Tenpenny gives him very evil karma?”
I mean could it be the fact he wanted to explode a town with a nuclear bomb because it looked ugly on the horizon of the blown out wasteland he shoots living creatures from absolute safety in?
He just complained to Burke it was an eyesore once. The entire plan was Mr. Burke's invention. Tenpenny is oblivious to consequences of Burke's actions to please him. Pretty sure he has dementia.
@@MaynardCrow But you meet with Tenpenny up in the tower and he sits beside you with the detonator and is pleased to watch you activate it. Additionally he pays you caps and gives you a penthouse for doing so.
Glad to see this channel still going. The algorithm is basking in your glow.
One of them has the only black combat helmet as well! :D I love their armor so I always save mega ton, then go to the unmarked hilltop place with a load of lockpicks (with the unique sniper in) they seem to always spawn outside with free armor for me after going to evergreen mills for that beast of a shotgun!
I was so happy when I found the combat helmet
Perhaps the people behind Talon Company are the same one's who raised Charon.
You know, the intense Ghoul mercenary/slave who is loyal only to his contract (a loyalty seemingly beyond any moral restraint) due to the... Interesting and mysterious people who raised hin. That and his love of combat shotguns and grenades. Seems he would be well in line with them at least, even though Charon isnt a bad guy.
As a souls fan, I am on board with speculation, especially when the company cares less than the fans about canon
Huh. Never considered the Eden connection. Fits best in my eyes due to the regular focus on the DC Mall area. The only reason to be there is to either kill mutants, or "preserve" history; Eden fits both.
absolutely would love a video on Caesar’s Legion’s potential succession crisis
did Caesar have his own set of possible inheritors? could someone man up and take the legion in a different direction in order to survive? will any changes even be followed by loyalists who solely follow caesar himself?
Go for it! I would love to see a series of speculation videos on fallout lore.
I couldn't agree more.
To be fair, Burke speaks to you(the Lone Wanderer) in pretty much the same way that is described in his mercenary contract with the Talon Company.
I just wish they had more to them. In a completely lawless and governmentless society, they have almost no real justification for existing really. Unless of course they were explained better like they're trying to gain some kind of power politically or something. In reality tho they're raiders with a different skin
I think they were kinda like the Gunners from F4
I've player FO3 a number of ways, and the most hostile, deadly interactions I had with Talon Company occurred when I played as the villain.
If youre playing a villain character, You wipe them out. Plain and simple. Assault their bunker, and burn every single one of them to cinders, Brotherhood of Nod, Black Hand-style.
Then piss on their remains and claim it as your own. That's exactly what I did when I was playing a chaotic evil girl-villain. I made them pay. Then I proceeded to erase every wandering company of theirs and dump their still burning corpses in the Potomac River.
You teach them as you push them into extinction that YOU'RE the only thing they should fear.
End of story.
Oh the wood thing is totally realistic, in the UK loads of old fences and phone booths were scrapped to make ammo and flak during the blitz! theres actually a long wall with no railing that has a little plaque that points this out in my town not far from where I live.
I always liked the Talon Company and Regulators in concept, but the execution was kinda sad.
I was very impressed by your whole new York/Corp idea. They could be a military corp or a corporation.
Thank you!
Talon company, more like cringe mercenary raiders
Same applies to the gunners, they’re all bloodthirsty.
I like the implication at 1:30 that Virginia and Maryland are not real.
My theory, talon company and the gunners are both funded by the Ciphers. We know they were ment to be in van buren and nv mentions them. I think they're funding them so they have more breathing room
What's the Cypher in this context? (I've checked Nukapedia but there's nothing that sounds like mercenary backer under that name)
@@danf3201 I meant Ciphers,
@@danieldragotti2608 Ah, but they're all the way in the NCR though, why meddle in the East coast? Surely they would be running this sort of geopolitics closer to home?
@@danieldragotti2608 So what are these Ciphers?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 they were a faction in van Buren and mentioned in nv. Think cult mechanum from 40k but less restrictive beliefs. They can fix anything but not reproduce it.
I always got annoyed that the fact they were always waiting for me in the metros in fallout 3 like it is fun to explore the metros and everything but they were always waiting for you always I just liked it whenever I would have a funny character name and it would show up for the contract in their loot and they always had a almost broken down combat shotgun but I love to see your video up man I've been starting to work and going in for my second day and this is brought me lots of joy May Adam shine brightly on you rad King
Oh i have an idea for a video! Maybe you can contrast and compare Talon Company to The Gunners from Fallout 4. Or maybe who could win in a fight? Or how some members of Talon Company broke away and became Gunners. Anyways these are just ideas and thanks for your time checking out my comment. Love your videos thanks RadKing!!
Moria Brown is either a former Talon or current Talon. Happy Hunting is a common saying between the both of them. That can't be a coincidence.
She can't stand the idea if doing more good in the wasteland because she takes so much pride in being helpful. When she gets too jealous, her alternate personality Moari Black puts out a contract. She was also a ghoul the whole time. The Megaton blast just destroyed the human skin mask she was wearing.
Very interesting video. I hadn't really thought about this before, and you raise some valid points, but ultimately, my conclusion is that there doesn't have to be one single financier behind them. It fits their bloodthirsty, unrelenting and undiscerning nature that they would take any and all jobs that come their way.
Burke could be paying them to go after do-gooders that inadvertently interfere with his and Tenpenny's shady business endeavours - and Tenpenny would allow it because the wasteland being chaotic only makes his tower more exclusive and desirable.
The Enclave (or Eden in secret) could also be contracting them to keep the wasteland in chaos so that they could swoop in and "save America" and be seen as the heroes of the hour. They would stop paying them at that moment which explains the in-game hostility between them.
Littlehorn & Associates most likely pays Talon tons in caps for the ears they bring in. Hell, someone in the Brotherhood could secretly (á la Scribe Bigsley) be paying Talon to throw a few mercs at the Super Mutants in lieu of sending more Brothers of Steel to die in the ruins, and if those mercs die, it would be all the better.
Ultimately though, I agree that all these factions are just unwitting peons in control by Dave and his Republic.
I always liked the look of the talons gear
I ate a cat
You make me want to cry. That's (in my opinion) kind of cruel. But even so, I do respect YOUR opinion.
@@jokig I will eat another
noooooooo save the cats
Cats dont taste that good, at least these are my thoughts, but dogs taste better
I'm absolutely subscribing to the theory that the Talon Company got their armor and weapons from undisclosed Enclave personnel.
Wreaking havoc and destruction by terrorizing the wasteland until the good ol' USA shows up to annihilate them.
Ridding the wasteland of Talon Company overnight would easily paint the Enclave as heroes that anyone would believe in.
I genuinely believe that the super mutants, while heavily damaged, are mentally there and are just holding up in the most memorable landmarks from the vault mutants’ minds
You're definitely rapidly becoming my favorite fallout content creator keep it up, went back and watched pretty much all of your videos and I want more! Lol for real though great job man my opinion don't mean much but still
I always assumed the enclave supplied and financed them and ordered them to cause chaos in the capital wasteland so they were accepted easier, and the talon company doesn’t know that way when the enclave takes over they could quickly take over and get rid of any resistance by the talon company
I love your concept about the Corps, some of the East Coast factions seemed so localized, even the Brotherhood of Steel being active in only a few limited places. Especially with the West Coast having huge nation-States like the Legion and NCR.
Bro all of your videos are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
If you feel like you have enough info to make a video then go for it. We're going to watch it.
Very true. Keep it up 👍
Glory to atom! For Raddy Daddy had blessed this day with an upload!
I was going to say that talon Co was an offshoot of the gunners but then you speculated that as well
I don't think Talon Company is financed by any one person. Clearing out the mutants of DC seems like something the enclave would be fine paying someone else to do as it would require a lot of human losses no matter which faction takes up the task. Seeing as they probably have plenty of stuff to trade with, they could easily sway the Talon Company to help in that way seeing as they could probably take on Talon Company once they are done.
Fun fact that I’m sure a lot of people know: if you snitch on Burke in Megaton, you can actually kill him before he shoots Lucas Simms as long as you do it as soon as he pulls out his gun. Simms thanks you next time he sees you and you gain karma, and consequently the Talon Company hit squad mentioned here never gets sent. Because I’ve done this on every good character I’ve played I actually didn’t even know that was a thing.
It’s possible that Tenpenny uses Talon Company to spread chaos in the wastes so that Tenpenny Tower not only remains as the most sophisticated and high society settlement, but also as an important mercantile force in the wastes (along the same lines as Venice), as the other settlements in the region are known to have a vast array of problems that Tenpenny Tower just doesn’t have (Little Lamplight is not a full settlement given that they kick out over 16s, Megaton’s infrastructure is failing, Rivet City is having power and water issues, Arefu is completely undefended, Underworld is completely resource barren in a region surrounded by hostiles, and Bigtown is just Bigtown it would probably be easier to say what is going well for them as opposed to listing problems), with the notable exceptions of the mostly unknown Oasis, Paradise Falls (which is only because it is really just a more sophisticated raider base as opposed to a city or settlement), and the Republic of Dave (which in all seriousness is actually quite successful in terms of Capitol Wasteland settlements).
Although a big piece of evidence going against Tenpenny being in charge of Talon Company is that they weren’t used on the raid on Fort Constantine, so it is possible that Talon Company was Mr.Burke’s idea (provided that he showed up AFTER the failed raid).
I always kill Burke when he pulls his pistol out during the standoff, the dialogue the sherif gives me after it gives me a sense of satisfaction
There's a fair amount of implied lore that Littlehorn is some sort of Demonic or Satanic like entity. I don't remember it all, but it neatly explains his motivations (he literally just wants to spread sin) and his endless amount of wealth. It would also explain Talon Company's wide remit on the contract.
Also it could easily be a combination of factors.
Even his name Littlehorn fits the bill. I always love those little sprinklings of supernatural horror in every Fallout game. Not enough to totally change the genre and feel, but juuuust enough to make you wonder. And be creeped out.
I really wish Fallout 4 didn't introduce the Gunners and just stuck with Talon Company, because now we have 2 merc companies on the east coast with hardly any lore.
wouldvd been way cooler to bring back talon lol
On my first fallout 3 playthrough I had the regulators and talon company hunting me down
How to you get that to happen?
My Toaster is broken and I'm pissed. I'm lack toast intolerant.
Ps: you cannot silence me
OMG OMG OMG RADKING HOW THE FUCK THIS IS POSSIBLE, I do agree.
I'm always down for some speculation especially when it's based on the scant evidence that can be found. I think the obvious answer for Talon is that Beth needed raiders but stronger, but I would've loved to see a little more thought put into it
I think its littlehorn and associates. Burke doesn’t seem to be sadistic, but calculated. So why would some random guy who gave an old lady a violin even be on his radar? And the fact they want your head and littlehorn and associates collect ears can’t be a coincidence. He’s definitely a sadist who wants to seed chaos and sometimes he must want more than just those ears. He’d definitely have you killed for giving an old lady a violin.
Something i never understood about slavery in Fallout 3 is: Who's even buying slaves? Most people in the wasteland are too poor to afford them and the ones that aren't don't actually seem to own any slaves.
Probably ship them elsewhere to make ammo, armor or work but then again, Fallout 3 is a idea wasteland and feels barely complete as you walk past all the scrapped and half working ideas.
They sell the slaves to the Pitt raiders
I always assumed the enclave funded them. Makes sense to me, if they’re calling themselves Americans, then they’d act like them and pay others to fight for them.
I’ve always hated the talon company and I don’t see a reason not too.
They have the best early game armor
you are sus
“And other than Riley’s Raiders, they’re the only mercenaries really seen in the Capitol Wasteland”
What do you call the Caravan Guards, then…
They are just random enemies place their with no lore whatsoever, just like the super mutants on the East coast and the Gunners from fallout 4.
Exactly.
My crackpot idea in Fallout 4 better would be Shaun has converted the Gunners into Synths so they can take over the world without exposing themselves and have "Infinite" Highly trained soliders ready to go.
“Wake-up babe, New RadKing dropped”
It's Vault-Tec. The Gunners of Fallout 4 are a similar faction who stem from a Vault and were trained for a specific purpose: keeping the wasteland a dysfunctional, violent hellscape until given orders otherwise. Talon Company's targeting of "good people" is essentially this same exact mission. Similarly you find Talon Company doing things like trying to secure the Capitol building and assisting an unnamed ghoul scientist as she tries to get control over an orbital strike satellite array.
I have long thought that Talon Co. and the Gunners were both the same faction, or branches of the same faction, just going by different names due to operating in different regions, so their association is blurred, and any atrocities one group commits won't reflect (as) poorly on the other
plausible deniability in essence
no clue who the benefactor is though
Yes to speculation vids. Would love to hear your take on the Legion surviving after Hoover Dam. I always thought that Ceasar could groom the courier to be his successor or in the case of his death , could very well usurp Lanius and become Caesar
There's a mod, for New-Vegas, that is letting you play at New-York.
Semi-alpha state,but does playable.
I never understood why talon company and much more the gunners are instantly hostile to the player. They're mercenaries. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY SHOOT ON SIGHT?! WHY CAN'T WE HIRE THEM? It's all really dumb and they're not fleshed out. So they really feel like they're just there to have a higher tech enemy than raiders
Something not that related to the faction in itself but lag-bolt had a girlfriend, and you can find her remains and last words on the presidential metro. You can find his brother too when doing grady's unmarked quest in the metro of grayditch
Talon Company: Early Combat Armor
Dave and Bob hire the Talon Company, because their victims aren't worthy of being killed by Dave and Bob themselves.
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@RadKing Hear me out, what if The Talon Company is the Gunners, it would explain how it gets so much financing, the Gunners and Talon Company both are Mercenary groups and Both make use of the Combat Armor. They both have Similar Ranking structure and weaponry aswell.
The consumer: "who's the talon company?"
Bugfested's Todd howard: "it just works".....?
fun fact about the ear perk guy Daniel Littlehorn: "Little Horn" is one of the names used to refer to the antichrist in the bible, i think danny is meant to be a sort of devilish caricature of evil. maybe this sucks as far as lore speculation goes but it definitely adds flavor to have such cartoony characters in the post apocalypse lol
“Turn up the rads you made lads” perfect
Always wanted a deep dive into Talon Company because I think they’re under devolved but so prevalent, once I thought of them as my main enemy in a play through. Glad to see lots of good theories I can use in head cannon, Thanks.
If Talon Company pops up in Fallout 5 I'm gonna be like "yoooooooooooo"
Anyway, it's obvs that Mr. B is pulling the strings with Talon Co.
I feel Moira put the contract on you. It's how the contract ends, "good hunting" the same thing Moira says to you at the end of every conversation and quest she gives you for the "wasteland survival guide".
That actually makes a scary amount of sense. She hires Talon Company to repeatedly attack you and make your work on the survival guide harder so you have more survival advice to put in the thing.
Littlehorn is the devil, or a servant of, so it makes sense he’d be paying the Talon Company to cause chaos and kill good people. - Of course, it’s kind of shitty writing.
Talon Mercs are always hot near Rivet City, so I always figured Dr. Zimmer hired them to find Harkness in that area.
I was thinking- who would have the resources to keep this many mercs paid and equipped, but then I realized anyone could be rich - they’d just need to have control of an old bottling plant, or a bottle cap making machine, and the scrap metal needed to produce caps.
This right here.
And who hates the wasteland AND is a faction that in game has controlled a facility like that?
The Chinese Remnants.
Think about it, a Chinese remnant ghoul is trying to bring down nukes on the Capital wasted, the Remnants still advertising prewar Chinese propaganda, their holding of a fodd processing plant, and the lore of how they infiltrated through food and manufacturing facilities.
One of which could be a Nuka Cola plant.
And why wouldn't a plant exist in DC area? They have the Nuka Cola headquarters there.
So why not?
Add it all up and bam, Chinese Remnants.
Well gee I'm flattered to be featured in the video. I will concede that I did not think about the MF Cell wich kinda puts a wrench in the gears of my theory. However I still believe that the fact you only find one of them in FO3 (disregarding FNV since it's a model port) AND that you find it next to all the other items relating to the Battle of Anchorage simulation does still leave some room for it to be true. I'd also find it strange for the Americans to make fake Chinese propaganda featuring them using AMERICAN weapons. Then again it makes equally little sense that the simulation would show you as an american being issued a Chinese weapon... but people did use scavenged weapons in pretty much all wars, you can find pictures of Germans using the PPSH or Americans using the STG-44, so round and round it goes.
Anyhow, another great video from the best Fallout youtuber.
Not mine, but I did see someone make the connection between the gauss rifle and the Japanese “Camera Gun” which looked almost identical
I do like the speculation type videos
I was worried you'd be stretching it in this video when I saw its length, but once I saw The Republic of Dave I knew you knew what you were talking about and in a loreful manner.
Wierd video request, but what would be ur ideal fallout gang, or have u ever thought of making a fallout gang? I love the vipers but there's no real lore on them
Is consider it!
Lmao awesome I'm making a table top campaign with them as a badguy I need lore
This is what youtube was designed for. A long video about nothing, and yet im here with popcorn.
I've encountered talon marcs even on my very evil playthrough.
honestly talon co. (and the gunners) are just more evidence that bethesda’s writing lacks any common sense or logic
I was just thinking of Talon Company yesterday while watching your videos on the pistols of fallout and the 1’st chem vid!! Thanks for another amazing vid!
slavers or enclave have my vote for sure
"the Army of Dave, which consists of... Dave and Bob"
Who the fuck is talon and what's with their company
I wish they would have been in fallout 4 and I wish we could have seen them having a mini war against the gunners
I would love to see a New York/ New Jersey fallout game where in the meadowlands you can find MetLife stadium which is like diamond city but a football field. Maybe have two factions in the stadium one wearing green and white jets colors, and the other wearing blue red and white giants colors, or the football field is divided right down the middle with a faction called the offenders on one side and the other faction being called the defenders on the opposite side. Maybe they battle at midfield every Sunday in some misguided memory of football. Also New Jersey has Atlantic City which is a gambling hotspot, maybe the sign is partially destroyed leaving it the city of Atlant. In between these two locations you can put the pine Barron’s and incorporate the Jersey devil as a cryptid or mutated creature. Then with Manhattan the possibilities are limitless between the subways and different burrows, as well as many small islands along the shore. Ellis island and the Statue of Liberty would be great sites to visit. Maybe one of them could be used as a base for the Underground Railroad. Iconic locations like the Empire State Building, Chrysler building, Times Square, Central Park, and Grand Central Station are must haves. I’m so glad you mentioned the topic of New York/New Jersey fallout game, because I’ve been wanting it for years. Hopefully it actually happens.