I was drawn into your videos many years ago when you were doing lots of 'art' software reviews. And you still do a great job. Thanks for all your time putting out this kind of work and all the art tips you give.
Oh cool! I'll check this out - I've been wanting to use VR for sculpting but the existing apps right now are still not quite there yet. This certainly looks promising, thanks for the vid man
Hey, Boro, awesome that you made a video with Kodon, been following you for a while, Im a product designer at Kodon, so its extra cool for me. Its a little bit of a shame that you tried the software right before our massive update that will solve the majority of the stability issues that your are experiencing. So hopefully you will look out for that, and have a better and more stable experience BTW you can paint, sad you missed that, its the paint brush in the Sculpt room.
Good to hear there's a stability update coming. I have been trying Kodon since 2016 but never settled on it because of how buggy it is. I hope the VR UI will also be improved, as it's extremely user unfriendly currently.
I have been using kodon for a while Now, love the software, and i know that the development team are working reaaally hard to fix bugs, and you are so good at listening to the community!
I really enjoy the interface by comparison to some of the other players in VR sculpting, but despite having an intel i9 and an RTX 3090 graphics card, I cannot get Kodon to remesh or convert in order switch from volume to sculpt. It is really ashame because I believe in this program and want it to succeed very badly, but I'm concerned that if there isn't enough urgency put behind this software, I will more than likely just use adobe 3d modeler beta, as it is currently more stable in my experience. I am rooting for you guys. Hopefully blender holds off long enough for you to really make a splash.
i love doing blockouts with SculptrVR on my couch and then continue working in Zbrush or paint on it. Its a cool feeling to work on a Spaceship and then walk around it or into it. its realy helpful to define the overal size of f.ex. a spaceship first and then add staircases or Props in a size which makes sense from your human perspective in VR.
I like that you are doing 3d and vr software from time to time. spices things up. Could you perhaps do an example of surface vs voxel sculpting, or elaborate more on VR sculpting vs flat screen. Maybe do a series comparing the faults and virtues in your opinion of Gravity sketch, Medium, Kodon, Shapelab, Masterpiece vr, etc.
15:30 this is very good idea. Controlling 3D space with a VR controller and using mouse or pen to interect with a model can provide very fluid workflow. There are 3D mouses for this purpose but VR Controller can be much intuitive.
Have over 200h in Kodon now, it's brilliant, yes sculpting is SO much better in VR! Totally natural. Kodon was very buggy for a while, but even with previous issues I was still using for my projects. Full release is just around the corner though, and they've been working hard to increase stability and kill the bugs. Plus they've completely reprogrammed how re-mesh works. Huge thumbs up from me.
You could disable Quest's sleeping mode (or make it take 1+ hours before sleeping) in order to keep it on while you use the controller and tablet combo.
I think it is indeed a very good app (and for 10$ a no-brainer). I'm lately more into Blender sculpt, but loved the way to build the basic structure here, seems fast. Edit after watching more of the video: Well.... ehm....er.... too many bugs, and the tools accuracy need work. It has potential, imo.
Guys keep commenting it's actually more expensive, like around $50. Seems like it's different price depending on a country, though I may be just mistaken about the price I paid, been a while
@@BoroCGYep.... prices change a lot depending on region for most graphic software I've purchased. Anyway, 50$ (it's about the cost of an Affinity app on desktop) is not a bad price, but they need to clean the bugs, imo.
I'm waiting for someone to develop some sort of "force-feedback long-sleeved shirt". The problem I have with "sculpting in VR" (I use, primarily, Adobe Medium or Sketchbox when in VR), is that there is no "feel" to it. Your arms are moving freely through the air, where if you were sculpting on clay, you would have a solid "force" pushing against your arm/tools. So making long, smooth sculpts (like the length ways 'cheekbone' of the dragon, from nose to under eye, to back of head/horn area), the desired "smooth flowing single shape" becomes jagged and wiggly...not smooth at all. Because your arm is moving through the air with no resistance to help "stabilize" your stroke. .. So give me a shirt that uses some sort of hydraulic pressure-tubes in it that fill up/release as appropriate, thus giving the feeling of actual physical resistance to things in VR. .. I'm sure someone will do it. Some day. I'd do it if I had a million dollars to seed it with....alas, I'm back in debt and still forcibly retired due to medical reasons. Hey...anyone have Elon's phone number? ;)
The software clearly needs a lot of developing and improvement, but the potential is there. I wonder how a "lazy mouse" (that's what it's called in zbrush) would feel like in order to make/draw soft lines instead of jaggy edges.
This app looks really interesting! In general, VR sculpting also looks really cool, for sure something I'd want to try out in future! Oh, also Boro says it's about $10 here, I guess this was recorded before now, or price changes for different locations - it's actually £46.49 on steam in UK.
I haven’t pulled the trigger on getting this app, because I haven’t put enough time into learning either Medium or shapelab (which is pretty solid since the last update) and money is too tight, but that cloth simulation looks like it has potential
When I got a VR headset, I tried this, gravity sketch, some of the more indie apps, and adobe medium through emulation. I think medium is the strongest VR sculpting app so far, but I think they're all pretty gimmicky and slow compared to just doing it in blender. That's just my opinion though.
Medium is awesome and fun - but it doesn't have actual ZBrush-style surface sculpting. I think if Kodon ever gets polished and finished, it's going to be fantastic
The real thing (for which I 'd pay even hundreds) would/will be when we can model directly with our hands, like with real clay, buy using apps like this with VR gloves. I mean, as a mainstream product. It will happen, IMO.👽🤓😎
It's possible to make this kind of app already, since Meta Quest 2 supports hand recognition. In good lighting conditions it's pretty usable to start developing and playing with this kind of sculpting, till they release actual gloves
I know this video is old, but I find myself coming back to kodon and leaving simply because maneuvering around the tools was too complicated in vr compared to Medium.
This isn't the first vr sculpting or modeling app.. but it looks promissing.. just like all the startups.. the problem I have when pulling the trigger is just.. should I wait? Blender will eventually get vr set up for modeling... and so will probably all the modeling, sculpting, and painting tools that update and keep up with and shape the industry... so is it worth waiting for this to flesh out or so.ething I've elinvestwd time and money into already... that I'll more then likely jump back into regaurdless.. hmmm
It's now $60. Nomad (in combo with Procreate 5.2) for iPad Pro is a much more economical, versatile and powerful choice. Of course, it ain't for VR. Then again, it actually works. Now.
Why does everyone seem to think VR is the future for everyone?...You need internet, you need a computer that can handle the software and equipment, you need the VR set....given how difficult it is to get a graphics card that can handle the software and equipment and the state of the economy happening in Canada and USA right now, exactly how will "everyone" be able to afford this? Anyone currently struggling and will be struggling even more with the rising costs of everything...you're screwed.
I've had this on my Steam wishlist for years, but this video made me decide to remove it. If it's at this state of development after so many years, I don't have any hope to ever be able to use it for more than a few minutes of frivolous novelty.
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It's strange, I checked right now and the Steam client I have installed says it only works on VR, yet I see you are able to use it with a pen.
Sadly it was NOT 10 DOLLARS but 50 as I bought it, and I was disappointed. It opens the way to do really straight forward 3d VR sculpting , but it lacks in many ways sadly. (Holes in the mesh etc) but I have a great hope those guys will fix this in the future. Because it's very promising.
Your strap is set too close on the headset arms. Thats why the headset is too squished on your face, the forehead cushion should rest on your forehead, on the video the forehead cushion is floating
Looks like an almost identical clone of Adobe Medium (free!) And works much better than the this program. Hopefully the Substance VR sculpting will be released soon 🙏 still hate having to pay additional $40/month USD for the Substance subscription on top of 'complete creative cloud' subscription.
There is no Surface sculpting in medium, which is the biggest difference, but really there is a whole bush load of tools here which you cant find in medium
LoL ... I was working in blender ... doing some animations on my main screen... the video playing on a second monitor... then He goes... "its Higher resolution, and.... IT'S ALL GONE" , LOL... I did laugh very hard ... xD sorry, not sorry ... beta apps are a "fun experience."
Blender and Zbrush' dynamic topology already allows for quick sculpting "sketches" Blender's collections, hierarchies and modifiers allow for vastly more organizational flexibility. also, blender is free and can already support VR. (official support is currently lacking tho) In my opinion, this project isnt useful, since the voxel thingy seems like a gimmick and is poorly thought out.
There are massive feature and performance improvements for Blenders Dyntopo mode in the works. Joe Eager takes care of that. Should be implemented with 3.1 final (in the near future).
@@3polygons blenders lack of high ploys has more to do with its software rather than you pc hardware. I have zbrush on my laptop that has an i5 8thgen and a 1050ti and 16gb of ram in it and it works very smooth with zbrush when I'm in the millions of poly but if I try to do the same in blender, it just crashes. Even on my at home desktop (gtx 1070, ryzen 3600, 32gb of 3200mhz ram) blender still doesn't run well with high polys while sculpting.
blender is all around excellent software, but it chugs slower and slower at high poly counts compared to Zbrush or even 3dcoat. But for free it is amazing.
This can be a thing... until blender fully implements a VR mode.
Oh man... Full-VR Blender sounds like heaven
I’m not sure if Boro has tried Gravity Sketch on quest yet? It’s got some decent modeling capability
adobe is developing subctance modeler a VR/flat hybric it's currently in beta but I hope blender will follow suit
ooh rough, we have big hill to climb us small devs to compete with blender, hopefully you'll keep us around in the end anyways
We can allrady use VR in Blender to visualize and "fly"... Thats a start 😅
I was drawn into your videos many years ago when you were doing lots of 'art' software reviews. And you still do a great job. Thanks for all your time putting out this kind of work and all the art tips you give.
Oh cool! I'll check this out - I've been wanting to use VR for sculpting but the existing apps right now are still not quite there yet. This certainly looks promising, thanks for the vid man
Hey, Boro, awesome that you made a video with Kodon, been following you for a while, Im a product designer at Kodon, so its extra cool for me. Its a little bit of a shame that you tried the software right before our massive update that will solve the majority of the stability issues that your are experiencing. So hopefully you will look out for that, and have a better and more stable experience
BTW you can paint, sad you missed that, its the paint brush in the Sculpt room.
Good to hear there's a stability update coming. I have been trying Kodon since 2016 but never settled on it because of how buggy it is. I hope the VR UI will also be improved, as it's extremely user unfriendly currently.
I have been using kodon for a while Now, love the software, and i know that the development team are working reaaally hard to fix bugs, and you are so good at listening to the community!
Even what was shown here got me to buy it. This is a great product for creative design.
I really enjoy the interface by comparison to some of the other players in VR sculpting, but despite having an intel i9 and an RTX 3090 graphics card, I cannot get Kodon to remesh or convert in order switch from volume to sculpt. It is really ashame because I believe in this program and want it to succeed very badly, but I'm concerned that if there isn't enough urgency put behind this software, I will more than likely just use adobe 3d modeler beta, as it is currently more stable in my experience. I am rooting for you guys. Hopefully blender holds off long enough for you to really make a splash.
i love doing blockouts with SculptrVR on my couch and then continue working in Zbrush or paint on it. Its a cool feeling to work on a Spaceship and then walk around it or into it. its realy helpful to define the overal size of f.ex. a spaceship first and then add staircases or Props in a size which makes sense from your human perspective in VR.
VR is a godsend for painting and sculpting and seeing your creations up close...
Omg you actually checked it out! This is awesome!
I like that you are doing 3d and vr software from time to time. spices things up. Could you perhaps do an example of surface vs voxel sculpting, or elaborate more on VR sculpting vs flat screen. Maybe do a series comparing the faults and virtues in your opinion of Gravity sketch, Medium, Kodon, Shapelab, Masterpiece vr, etc.
15:30 this is very good idea. Controlling 3D space with a VR controller and using mouse or pen to interect with a model can provide very fluid workflow. There are 3D mouses for this purpose but VR Controller can be much intuitive.
Just recently started exploring Nomad on the iPad - very useful and stable.
i’ve learned so much about art from you and use line art and stuff it’s very different though you’re art advice is some of the best i’ve heard
Have over 200h in Kodon now, it's brilliant, yes sculpting is SO much better in VR! Totally natural. Kodon was very buggy for a while, but even with previous issues I was still using for my projects. Full release is just around the corner though, and they've been working hard to increase stability and kill the bugs. Plus they've completely reprogrammed how re-mesh works. Huge thumbs up from me.
Oh how things have changed for Kodon!
Sculpting makes more sense in vr.
I’m intrigued
Well, it was very fun, cool review Boro!)
You could disable Quest's sleeping mode (or make it take 1+ hours before sleeping) in order to keep it on while you use the controller and tablet combo.
I think it is indeed a very good app (and for 10$ a no-brainer). I'm lately more into Blender sculpt, but loved the way to build the basic structure here, seems fast.
Edit after watching more of the video: Well.... ehm....er.... too many bugs, and the tools accuracy need work. It has potential, imo.
Guys keep commenting it's actually more expensive, like around $50. Seems like it's different price depending on a country, though I may be just mistaken about the price I paid, been a while
@@BoroCGYep.... prices change a lot depending on region for most graphic software I've purchased. Anyway, 50$ (it's about the cost of an Affinity app on desktop) is not a bad price, but they need to clean the bugs, imo.
Apparently those of us in the USA should pay $59. :|
@@tbogdala $90 in Australia I feel you
@@BoroCG It's come out of early access a few weeks ago. That's probably when they increased prizes :)
I'm waiting for someone to develop some sort of "force-feedback long-sleeved shirt". The problem I have with "sculpting in VR" (I use, primarily, Adobe Medium or Sketchbox when in VR), is that there is no "feel" to it. Your arms are moving freely through the air, where if you were sculpting on clay, you would have a solid "force" pushing against your arm/tools. So making long, smooth sculpts (like the length ways 'cheekbone' of the dragon, from nose to under eye, to back of head/horn area), the desired "smooth flowing single shape" becomes jagged and wiggly...not smooth at all. Because your arm is moving through the air with no resistance to help "stabilize" your stroke.
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So give me a shirt that uses some sort of hydraulic pressure-tubes in it that fill up/release as appropriate, thus giving the feeling of actual physical resistance to things in VR.
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I'm sure someone will do it. Some day. I'd do it if I had a million dollars to seed it with....alas, I'm back in debt and still forcibly retired due to medical reasons. Hey...anyone have Elon's phone number? ;)
You should really try the surface sculpting in kodon, it really has more of that "feel" that you are looking for.
the blur in the begining was so nice
Not "New" but has been developing for a few years. It's great to now use VR along side the tablet!
The software clearly needs a lot of developing and improvement, but the potential is there. I wonder how a "lazy mouse" (that's what it's called in zbrush) would feel like in order to make/draw soft lines instead of jaggy edges.
Amazing!
this is so cool
This app looks really interesting!
In general, VR sculpting also looks really cool, for sure something I'd want to try out in future!
Oh, also Boro says it's about $10 here, I guess this was recorded before now, or price changes for different locations - it's actually £46.49 on steam in UK.
It's definitely not 10$ - it's been 30$ for a long time. *checks* holy smokes, it's 60$ now.
I haven’t pulled the trigger on getting this app, because I haven’t put enough time into learning either Medium or shapelab (which is pretty solid since the last update) and money is too tight, but that cloth simulation looks like it has potential
Ey! Great video :)
Could yo please tell me which accesories do you use for your Oculus quest 2? Thank you in advance!
When I got a VR headset, I tried this, gravity sketch, some of the more indie apps, and adobe medium through emulation. I think medium is the strongest VR sculpting app so far, but I think they're all pretty gimmicky and slow compared to just doing it in blender. That's just my opinion though.
Medium is awesome and fun - but it doesn't have actual ZBrush-style surface sculpting. I think if Kodon ever gets polished and finished, it's going to be fantastic
Hi boro. What are the knuckles straps you have on? Been looking for some without the extra silicone cover grips
I still keep Sculptris alive once in awhile.
i want this for my VR to make some stuff
Muy buen contenido amigo!!suscrito ya! saludos!!
The headset has a depth sensor between the lenses. If you stick something in there it will not go to sleep.
What kit did you order for your quest?
Ever tried 3D Coat? It is pretty polished having a voxel based and surface mode workflow since forever.
Yeah I tried it forever ago, great app. Not VR though
The real thing (for which I 'd pay even hundreds) would/will be when we can model directly with our hands, like with real clay, buy using apps like this with VR gloves. I mean, as a mainstream product. It will happen, IMO.👽🤓😎
It's possible to make this kind of app already, since Meta Quest 2 supports hand recognition. In good lighting conditions it's pretty usable to start developing and playing with this kind of sculpting, till they release actual gloves
have you tried trackball mice ?? I was curious how it is feel different from 3d modelling with VR
Would you mind sharing your VR peripherals' names?
I know this video is old, but I find myself coming back to kodon and leaving simply because maneuvering around the tools was too complicated in vr compared to Medium.
So many Cuts in this video/commercial was the client not happy?
So, there is an Oculus that can be connected wirelessly to a PC? Did I miss something or did I miss something?
would be sick if you could actually 3D print something you made in there :D
So basically it is just a clone of adobe medium but paid and with a lots of bugs (and without colors). Nice. It would be epic if it was opensource.
Lets hope for an update now that its been some time
You should try 3D-coat :)
Can this run without steam or being connected to the net?
With out internet yes, but it needs steam VR installed.
This isn't the first vr sculpting or modeling app.. but it looks promissing.. just like all the startups.. the problem I have when pulling the trigger is just.. should I wait? Blender will eventually get vr set up for modeling... and so will probably all the modeling, sculpting, and painting tools that update and keep up with and shape the industry... so is it worth waiting for this to flesh out or so.ething I've elinvestwd time and money into already... that I'll more then likely jump back into regaurdless.. hmmm
Whats that upgrade to Oculus?
Mostly BoboVR accessories www.bobovr.com/ , stuff from AliExpress
It's now $60. Nomad (in combo with Procreate 5.2) for iPad Pro is a much more economical, versatile and powerful choice. Of course, it ain't for VR. Then again, it actually works. Now.
Yeah there's more than enough working flat sculpting tools. Not sure why everyone makes sure to point this out lol
Why does everyone seem to think VR is the future for everyone?...You need internet, you need a computer that can handle the software and equipment, you need the VR set....given how difficult it is to get a graphics card that can handle the software and equipment and the state of the economy happening in Canada and USA right now, exactly how will "everyone" be able to afford this? Anyone currently struggling and will be struggling even more with the rising costs of everything...you're screwed.
5 year old app, now new!
a mini version of 3dcoat
I've had this on my Steam wishlist for years, but this video made me decide to remove it. If it's at this state of development after so many years, I don't have any hope to ever be able to use it for more than a few minutes of frivolous novelty.
It's strange, I checked right now and the Steam client I have installed says it only works on VR, yet I see you are able to use it with a pen.
it works also on computer monitor as well.
Yeah, im part of the Kodon team, its because steam has not thought of the idea of Hybrid software, its either VR or Desktop, so we had to choose.
@@emilklingberg1623 Wow, thank you very much for the clear answer! That's good to know.
It sounded amazing at that price. I went to pick it up, and its 85 dollars (Australian). I'll give it a miss for the moment.
7:46 😄😁☺️
New sculpting app?
Kodon... $10? more like $70CAD (50-ishUS?)
its $49 now
what is your VR?
Damn in a month it jumped from 10 bucks to 60
Sadly it was NOT 10 DOLLARS but 50 as I bought it, and I was disappointed. It opens the way to do really straight forward 3d VR sculpting , but it lacks in many ways sadly. (Holes in the mesh etc) but I have a great hope those guys will fix this in the future. Because it's very promising.
Your strap is set too close on the headset arms. Thats why the headset is too squished on your face, the forehead cushion should rest on your forehead, on the video the forehead cushion is floating
hmm so its like 3D coat + Medium
I usually use sculptris. This app doesn't seems making any breakthrough
"I guess it's saved... somewhere >_>" lol. I am not very reassured.
Looks like an almost identical clone of Adobe Medium (free!) And works much better than the this program. Hopefully the Substance VR sculpting will be released soon 🙏 still hate having to pay additional $40/month USD for the Substance subscription on top of 'complete creative cloud' subscription.
There is no Surface sculpting in medium, which is the biggest difference, but really there is a whole bush load of tools here which you cant find in medium
sculptris already exists...
Kodan is $59.99 On steam, not $10.00, I would have bought it at $10.00; but 60? Ouch.
Dreams on ps5… check it out if you haven’t already
LoL ... I was working in blender ... doing some animations on my main screen... the video playing on a second monitor... then He goes... "its Higher resolution, and.... IT'S ALL GONE" , LOL... I did laugh very hard ... xD sorry, not sorry ... beta apps are a "fun experience."
Blender and Zbrush' dynamic topology already allows for quick sculpting "sketches"
Blender's collections, hierarchies and modifiers allow for vastly more organizational flexibility.
also, blender is free and can already support VR. (official support is currently lacking tho)
In my opinion, this project isnt useful, since the voxel thingy seems like a gimmick and is poorly thought out.
Blender doesn't support SteamVR/Index, also VR support is limited to viewing currently.
There are massive feature and performance improvements for Blenders Dyntopo mode in the works. Joe Eager takes care of that. Should be implemented with 3.1 final (in the near future).
@@electronicinfection Thx, didn't know that.
Could you please sculpt a horror themed character in Blender? That would nice to watch. ;)
10$? Its 50€ right now.
sup bro
so funny hjaha
So they wanted to be first and the result is super buggy. It is still a cool thing, though.
Have faith in us
@@emilklingberg1623 Are you one of the developers? Well, good luck to you! It is a super cool project, makes me jealous.
Really dosen't seem any better than Adobe Medium which is free
Do you need to be subscribed to the cloud for that?
iirc Medium doesn't have surface sculpting at all, doesn't have flat interface
It's $70 Canadian. And VR Only.
Its for both desktop and vr
it's normally $60 american, but recently was on steam sale for $30. Also , it works in both vr and flat screen like zbrush
Honestly we don't need more apps in this industry we need more jobs, opportunities, and more lessons on with industry level training.
Who stole my original comment >:(
ME
This software is still buggy :(
blender is enough
yeah but it’s ok to try new things
Yhea, blender is enough if you are not trying to sculpt anything that relatively low to medium poly. Blender sucks at high poly sculpting.
@@graves1096 Even with enough hardware? (for example, a 5950X , 64GB RAM, a 3060 12GB. Not that I have this machine).
@@3polygons blenders lack of high ploys has more to do with its software rather than you pc hardware. I have zbrush on my laptop that has an i5 8thgen and a 1050ti and 16gb of ram in it and it works very smooth with zbrush when I'm in the millions of poly but if I try to do the same in blender, it just crashes. Even on my at home desktop (gtx 1070, ryzen 3600, 32gb of 3200mhz ram) blender still doesn't run well with high polys while sculpting.
blender is all around excellent software, but it chugs slower and slower at high poly counts compared to Zbrush or even 3dcoat. But for free it is amazing.
Fascinating garbage sculpts
Wow!This guy just made an anorexic reindeer! This is super fast !I but! it's got a way 2 go!! it needs surface tessellation! meh! good luck with it!!
You seemed to start the VR stuff without showing or explaining the software program adequately. The video is a mess.
Was this paid review?
No. I don't do those.
que perdida de tiempo
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