MX vs. ADV! KTM 1190 Adventure R & 450SX-F vs. Honda Africa Twin & CRF450R | On Two Wheels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2016
- Can an ADV bike hack it on a motocross track? Honda and KTM’s flagship ADVs face off against their motocross siblings. Watch what happens!
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Sometimes it seems like Zack and Ari are looking for ways to hurt themselves. When they locked and loaded KTM’s 1190 Adventure R and Honda’s Africa Twin for a test, it made sense-then they added a KTM 450SX-F and a Honda CRF450R. Motocross bikes. There was a lot of head scratching going on around the office, and with the boss out of town, nobody asked what they were up to. When they returned (banged up and grinning like idiots) with this footage, we realized what they were so excited about.
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I’ve been riding for 45 years, and that was not a silly thing to do. Not many of us own multiple bikes. Not many older riders are in good dirt-bike shape physically, revealed immediately on the track, and any experienced rider knows that 500 pounds isn’t graceful without exceptional “powers.” Most of us can never compare, and seeing both extreme ends of the spectrum may have turned out as expected, but not silly to see how that came about exactly. I started on motocross, so I have my most feverish recollections about the jump I nailed, or slide I pulled off, etc., back in 1976! So when I mount a bike today, those thoughts are right there...but the bike usually is certainly not. Even on a 300 lb drz400, one needs to be in pretty good shape to handle the demands of standing, flexing, knee-squeezing, etc. that’s required to hustle around in loose dirt or, god forbid, sand. So glad to see two guys, skilled, on the edge of middle age (ha-ha...sorry!) and trying to go to the track on 500 lb bikes with no recent experience. I am really glad you had trouble, and thank you for being so honest about it. Keep up the informative, entertaining, professional, and relevant videos.
you're awesome.
Stephen, thanks for this comment. Nice share.
HellsSgt I took mine through hell today - pretty technical off-road terrain, and pretty committed - a long walk back out if anything happened...longer crawl - and I was alone. Had to power push it up some sections and loose rocks made some washed out descents downright scary - it’s a mule once it decides on a direction and you have to be pretty damned brave to power it down anything like that. After 6 drops, I’ve removed that piece of real estate from my playgrounds until I’ve picked up a Husky 501 or something smaller. The AT is an adventure tourer - gravel, sand, open space. You have to have the skills and strength to get it through the narrow technical stuff.
You might call it a silly idea, but it really put a spotlight on the weight of the bike and how important it is to riding off-road, and especially for jumping.
The 1190 looked a bit worse for wear in some shots. Misaligned body panels, scuffs of course, and it looked like the front wheel had a weave in the opening sequence. How about a damage report follow-up? I think replacing broken bits is a big limiting factor for people taking their fancy ADV bikes into the bush, rather than terrain capability.
Great comparison guys - I ride both a BMW GS and a Honda CRF, I mainly use the GS for touring and seldom purposely take it off-road. It's amazing how many people berate me because I don't take the GS off-road - why would I when I have a CRF in the garage!! Completely agree with your conclusion and a beautifully put together video - thanks for posting and regards from "across the pond" - P.S. Good luck with the new president, whomever he/she turns out to be!
Why do people buy Adventure bikes for touring? I haven't tried one yet but it seems like it's just touring bike with off-road wheels. Aren't they less comfortable, grippy and durable than touring tires?
Well that whole president thing went badly
@@ObitoUchihaisgay You can use touring tires in a ADV, and with longer suspension travel, they are more comfortable in bad maintained roads. And if the pavement ends, you can still ride and not be afraid of dropping your bike, because you have crashbars instead of expensive plastic fairings. A GS is a great example that power is not everything, it's surely slower than a s1000xr, but still plenty to go fast and everywhere.
Concerns, yeah... Who gives you the ideas? Bikes towing bikes! ADV vs Motocross on a dirt track. Whatever that person smokes, I want some!!
+Zack Courts
Yeah, it's the right kind of 'fun'. Just keep it coming.
another idea, torque battle of superbike vs cruiser.
maybe an adv vs enduro would of made more sense than adv vs mx
LazyApe_ you can make the best regards John John wants to go to a new thread is locked
probably one of the best on two wheels episodes yet. love ya'll bros.
Thanks Andrew, glad ya liked it!
Why no post in so long?!?!
Andrew Ahn o
This is great and really does address some burning questions. Would love to see the enduro version of this as well. I know most dual sport folks are always posing the same question about single track.
"No. Not savin' it." haha
250kg vs 96kg
It looks like Arnold Vs Bruce Lee
Both are best in their sectors.
But it was nice Idea.
the internet really needed this this video
Fantastic work guys, great camera work, funny and smart banter, all in all a very polished video. Keep making stuff please!
Came across this video by chance and I must say this is one the most entertainment and interesting "reviews" I found.
Thanks for the fun!
Glad you enjoyed it. Make sure you subscribe.
very well done episode. entertaining, well edited, not too much talking. you guys are killing it. I watch every show.
ADV bikes are great for their intended purpose, paved roads, sketchy paved roads, gravel roads, dirt roads, sand roads, clay roads, some jeep track here and there, and the OCCASIONAL single track. Obviously the Africa Twin and the Katoom are some of the best on the market for this. Better than my lowly DL1000. :)
I wonder who would dislike this video...Motocycyclist Mag is doing a fantastic job with these videos and these guys have charisma..keep it up guys!
Great episode! You both did really well on the ADV bikes around the track. I was really surprise on how much air you actually caught with a +500lbs bike.
you missed the scope of ADV bike , of course it's not suitable for MX racing track...but Enduro track...check out Chris Birch , man , what he can do with 1190 , something amazing
awesome video , you guys deserve way more subscribers !!
Thanks for making this video. The big bikes did a little better than I thought they would. I wanted an Africa Twin until I sat on one at a dealership. I thought "there is no way you could do serious off road-ing on this beast. Thanks again.
That was fun to watch! Awesome to see a 500lb bike jump.
damn that was some of the coolest ideas for a video i have seen
Great video. Some excellent perspectives. I have a KTM 300 2 stroke, a GSA, an S1000 XR, and a 1975 R90S. Love them all. Most miles on the GSA - South America, Spain, Portugal. IOM, Morocco, Yukon and all through Europe. Great fun.
well 5s slower or even 10s slower than a dirt bike is a compromise i can deal with for something that doesn't have to be serviced every 5 hours and can take me from country to country with comfort. also off roading isn't about jumping and going fast it is about being able too cross obstacles to reach road
yeah, they knew all this. I mean its a stupid proposition to try and beat a purpose made racing machine with a do it all tourer but that was what the video was for. Just for fun :)
Somehow I got it into my mind this evening to find out how a big clunky ADV bike would do on a dirt bike track. You guys provided all I wanted to know in one video, thank you for that! Good to know that in a pinch, you can actually enjoy it on the track even if just for the fun of trying.
One of the best motorcycle channels on TH-cam. As you are riders too, made motor journalism with things that riders like to know. Is not all about numbers, is about fell, practicallity, real world experience (as you bring to dirty, city, track, road, mix of all of it).
Love that thumbnail btw, great video thanks for the hard work!
This was a great video! I loved the introduction part!
you guys deserve way more viewers. Definetly the best motorcycle youtube show.
this show is amazing! Love it. I just went from a R1200GS to a CRF250 and back. Crazy weight difference.
Another awesome idea & video folks! Really enjoy watching ur videos:) funky & professional at the same time
Awesome vid guys, keep up the great work!
Great vid ... I've been wanting to see this comparison!!! Tks
You two are great. Fun video, and I'm surprised that these two big ADV bikes ran as well as they did in the dirt. I was expecting much less performance than they provided, so that's just a bonus. Keep this up fellas. We need MC to survive in this new 6-issue format. Bring it.
Keep up the great stuff! You guys are very entertaining. I look forward to seeing what you do next.
This was a great idea!! I would love to see an ADV bike comparison on the MX track, that would be awesome!
Not a stupid comparison at all!! In fact, it was kinda exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Maybe an enduro side by side test, between middleweight ADV bikes like a Yamaha Tenere 700 and KTM 790R and a Yamaha WR 450 and KTM XCF 450, that will be a more fair test.
Its always great to see a pair of good riders having fun in a diferent element, thank you.
the fact that the ADV can still run the track speaks volumes. ADV bikes are great all purpose bikes, the rider skill and familiarity with the bike is the biggest factor.
Now ADV vs. Dual Sport is the real test.
Monstruos! Great video, sick machines, and the comparison, never tried before, good job. Is time to make a deep comparison with all 2016 ADV bikes
I notice the big boys mentioned below, Birchie and Riemann, enduro riders extraordinaire. Kinda misses the point of your test, which I really enjoyed. You've done a fantastic job of demonstrating the versatility of these behemoths. Truly all road bikes. Cheers, a brave test!
that was fun, now lets see the same bikes in the desert...you know, just for fun
you guys are rad. period. this looked like it was so much fun...you crushed it.
Great job guys. I've been waiting for this vid for a while
How do lighter ADV bikes -400lbs fit into the mix?
Super awesome video! pleasure to watch. background music is well fit the vid, nice camera recording angles - looks exciting!) , great video edit, and also guys are so funny))
Way to go Zack! Woulda thought the pro on ADV would've taken you on MX. Makes me wanna get back in the dirt lol. 👍🏼
I just found you guys, binge watching for the weekend
Subbed. Love you guys exploring different ideas!
Great review. Wish I could have seen the pro on the Honda African Twin though. Keep up the good work guys!
Another awesome vid! Could you guys do like a "Beginners Guide to ADV, Dirt, and Dualsports"? Basically what you'd need (recommended bike/gear), preparation, basic skills, and general tips.
very good episode , really i learned a lot and got some very interesting info on what is an adventure bike , i have been wanting to owned one just not ready yet but its fun to watch what it can do and in what manner. Keep it up im a big fan and you guys are great.
You guys are the next "Grand Tour" but the bike variant... awesome shows guys, keep it up!!
I've always wanted to know what ADVs are like in a dirtbike environment thanks guys i will watch more of your work.
By far most informative and entertaining motorcycle channel I know of keep up the good work
Cool demonstration of the differences. It's nice to see them compared together.
Great Video Guys! Looking forward to more 😜
Totally thought the ADV bike would have wooped the Dirt Bike....... LOL
That was totally sick!...one of the best comparisons you've put out yet!....also, it makes ya think that the ADV bike thing is all smoke and mirrors when you go over 650cc....damn, I was saving up for am Africa Twin....
Nice video, very funny.
I have a '13 BMW F800 GS Adventure.
I use it for touring, traveling, daily commute...AND...for offroad. That thing led me without any issues through trails, exploring mountain roads, fire roads, and so on. I'm very happy.
Ciao from Italy!
I would love to see a video just like this but compare the ADV bikes to either supersports or some sporty naked bikes or something in that direction. Very cool content!
I'd actually love to see the "street" adv bikes (Multistrada/S1000XR/Versys 1000 etc) vs sport bikes on a track. I've always been curious just what the difference in corners would be with the same decent rider. Are sport bikes really any faster in corners?
Check out our Multistrada vs S1000XR vid. We rode the bikes from LA to Monterey and then did a track day at Laguna. Those two bikes crushed it. The only rider/bike that passed us all day was a pro racer on his S1000RR superbike. ADVs are pretty amazing. Well... some of them anyway.
Thanks Ari, I watched and I'm a little jealous. Looks like all you really lose is some aerodynamics and higher gearing for top end speeds which aren't useful on the street.
Lorentz the difference between an S1000XR or Multistrada and Sportbike is certainly not the same as a minivan and a GT-R. Those ADV bikes really just loose the aerodynamic advantage and add some weight. As in the video Ari mentioned they don't seem to be loosing much on the track.
kalimarus the s1000xr was only around 1 second slower than the s1000rr around a track, on roads the s1000xr would most likely be faster more midrange punch after all
Loved it! great idea to compare a big adv bike like this.
Just wondering with the new 1090 adventure R and the current Africa Twin, which would have the better suspension?
Great video - love your content and your style! BTW - where can I get one of those cool t-shirts that Zack is wearing in the final garage sequence?
Great video! Next time you guys do this, let me know, and I'll throw my Zuma 125 into the mix!
Can someone PLEASE tell me what track this is that they are riding on? And whether is the main or vet track?
When I bought my ADV bike, I already knew it was heavy as heck. I'd had a scrambler before, which I'd fooled around with enough to not expect myself to be sending it down a single-track on 550 pounds of Triumph. What I like about these bikes isn't necessarily that they go anywhere fast, especially not really technical dirt riding, but rather that they'll go EVERYWHERE. I know that all I need to get my bike clean to the far side of the planet is some spokes and some knobbies and a bit of grit. I can make it a decent chunk of the way there on the alloy rims and 90-10s I've got now. ADV bikes have a real go-anywhere sort of feel to them, but its really more than just a feeling. I'd love to see this race run again with 1000 miles of steppe instead of a motocross track, and see how that plays out.
i love this show, On Two Wheels is me and my sons favorite!!!, Ari and Zach are hilarious!
very creative idea to say the least. quite entertaining hahaha
Great job guys! But what I want to know is who was better to handle and more fun in the track? Africa twin or 1190R. ?? Thanks!!
so...being a hard core adv rider myself...and having never actually owned an adv bike... it's all about the rider, fellas. I used to hit single track, horse trails, ford rivers, fire roads, an other adv stuff on my old yzf600r (with protapers on it) very regularly. having ridden a few ktm adventures, they make the job pretty easy.
You have both solved an eternal question about how good these big bore 'dual-sport' motorcycles perform compared with a enduro/cross motorcycles and how difficult is to handle them in off-road conditions, congrats guys!
You should have put MX tires on ATVs, the tires make Huge difference on dirt track. I'm sure the pro on ATV could even win if on proper tires!
Hi. I have to agree ith Mr. Billy Bill. I own a 1190. The tires are actually what converts the 1190 into a dirt or into a superbike. Only a small difference in the desing of the will require that you change you way of driving. Anyway thanks for the video, It was good.
"could even win!" you mean, still be 17 seconds slower than he was on the motocross bike? What's that going to accomplish?
You mean ADV
I haven't been off-road with my 1190r yet, but I use speed bumps to lift both wheels and from my experience the suspension settings changes a lot.
If you adjust your suspension, make sure to adjust front and back in a similar way. ( so changing all front settings to sport , and your back to normal , may cause you to miscalculate your jump or lift completely :) ) If I win the lottery I'll go and try off-road with mine, but for now I'm just having some fun on pavement with much less risk of falling :)
If you check the video's from Chris Birch with the 1190r , he makes it seem like a dirt-bike , so it IS the driver who makes the difference on these heavy bikes :)
Great video , great bikes , I enjoyed this episode a lot !
what kinde of 2 way coms are you usinig thanks
great video. I thought the adv bikes faired rather well. thanks for the video!
Fun review. I was impressed w/ the on-board audio ! What kind of helmet-mounted communication setups are you using ? Thanks !
Cool video guys, would love to see some info for both on and off road opinions on comparing the KTM 500 EXC/Husky 501 vs the BETA 500RS
Another great vid guys.....
Any chance of comparsion say, new R1 and Old R1, Fireblade etc?
What about the enduro class....what can they do offroad....more importantly......which ones do "ok" on the highway?
OMG that tracked looked like SO much fun, id love to get my bike out there
I took my T7 onto a MX track last year, it was hilariously bad but also so much fun.
This showed perfectly that while the big ADV aren't race worthy, they can handle going around the motocross track, albeit a lot slower than an all out motocross bike. Seem like they did their job well.
I would have loved to see a KTM 950 ADV in their though. I think that would have beaten both the AT and the 1190.
That looked like a lot of fun. You guys came up with no surprises but got a good day riding new challenges and got paid. I call that a good day
ADV is good on dirt however it's still not a motorcross bike, not designed for racing it on closed tracks.
aluisious No need to see it, it's known I'm pointing out the redundancy in comparing them in a track designed for only motorcross....
I do envy your snark even if it is pointless and quite honestly not really funny. Do have a good day lad.
Great vid! More of this!
Adventure bikes are not meant to race moto-cross. They are meant to adventure across lands with poor roads and carry your gear, and food.
They think the wildfire gon burn the fucking sand lol.
Very entertaining, you guys have good synergy!
At around 1:12 the front tyre of the KTM doesnt seem to be rotating straight, seems to have some kind of miss alignment, did anyone else notice this?
These guys are sick! Love it...
You guys always make a Super fun episode. Keep it up guys. About the Comparison. I personally wouldn't dare do such things on such mammoths for bikes. It was like watching a Cheetah race a Bison on that dirt track. But loads of things learned about the bikes capabilities. It would be actually nice to see some other such kinda bikes being put thru such track test to know which once can actually handle and come on top.
Seeing that 1100 fly through the air was like watching cows fly
"There's a little kid we can pursue to make ourselves feel better!" ROFL
Love it!
Does the Africa twin feel n ride like a dirt bike.. with the dct engine???
This channel is so cool. Love it.
Great perspectives guys !
So far I've ridden a couple of ADV bikes from having no rider aides to having every rider aid and the one thing I noticed between them all put a really good set of off road tires on it and it'll go wherever your skill can take you.
👍 would love to see how supermoto bikes with dirt tires vs MX bike turns out.
Like husqvarna 701 or KTM 690 vs MX