Unfortunately Verne had zero clue what he was doing that day and nobody knows why he picked that man up. And all of us in Minnesota won't ever forget Jesse "The Body" Ventura who became our governor
There is nothing the courts can do except strongly suggest the patient be put in a more secure home. The can't prosecute a man that has no idea of what he did or why he did it, it's under the classification of insanity. Good video.
Correct. We had a situation with a family member suffering from dementia had an interaction with another facility resident. The other resident's family didn't press charges either.
Alzheimers people do tend to have a voilent moment here and there...but will forget 5 minutes later about what frustrated them. I think they just get frustrated because they know they sre changing but don't know why and they can't remember syuff etc. Its not all of them but a god bit of them. We have a couple in the family and i work with (sit with) a lady who is. We hid all the sharp knives and siscssors from her. We heard of an incident that a husband (local news) that had alzhiemer stabbed his wife with a knife because he had a moment of being upset. The wife died. They were both elderly. I don't think he got charged though because he was mentally not there.
Hi Jordan, Alzheimer's is such an awful disease, I know a few people that have died from that. So lovely though seeing the Jahster making new friends and enjoying himself, and lovely seeing your girlfriend again too. Great vlog Jordan.
Jordan you should write a book about your life, your travels, and all the interesting people you've met along the way. You have the gift of storytelling. *Another great vlog by Daze and Jordan the Jordan the Lion!
I personally took care of Alzheimer’s patients and they can be very strong even though they’re confused and many may have no idea of reality so that poor guy being body slammed by a previous pro wrestler with this disease I believe is very possible. Myself and many other co-workers have had the heck knocked out of us by many of these patients with this disease even with the little old ladies so I believe this could be so
Thanks you two! It's unfortunate that this happened in the nursing home with these two men. My father had Lewey Bodey Dementia in the end. I lived with him and my mother to take care of him. The night wandering is very common. I slept in living room to watch the door and caught my dad twice trying to go out! This nursing home is responsible for this happening. I imagine if it did go to court it would have been not guilty by reason of insanity. When they get like this they must be watched very closely. Luckily my father was very sweet and loved to flirt with nurses. They can be mean and nasty and combative the illness goes two ways. It's hard on family either way!
He was also an alternate for the U.S freestyle wrestling team at the 1948 Olympic Games; he later said that he might have wrestled in the Olympics, but his coaches had discovered that he had earned money winning a wrestling match at a carnival, thus putting his amateur standing in question.
Jordan I have been in the field of Alzheimer’s and Dementias for over 25 years. Someone who suffers from dementia and or Alzheimer’s can’t be prosecuted for assault and battery, or God forbid the person dies, they can’t be held accountable or responsible for their actions. It’s up to the facility to determine if they are able to take care of him after he was getting aggressive. We have had many fights with two elders who are demented. Of course here in Maryland we have to report it to the state authorities who govern our facilities, we can send them out for evaluation and maybe adjust their medication. If he has been showing behavioral issues the facility and family members need to see if there’s another facility that can help better with those behaviors. It’s so sad to hear. He was my Nana’s favorite wrestler.
My Mother was a huge wrestling fan, so l watched it with her sometimes. I have learned so much about wrestling threw your channel! Sad this happened to him! My father passed from Alzheimer's in 91. My Mother had a really hard time controlling my dad but she refused to put him into a nursing facility. It is such awful thing to see! They truly do not know what they are doing! This really hit home with me since l know what happens with Alzheimer's patients! I only hope that a cure is found! I wouldn't have pressed charges either! Sad! Great to see Katie and Jah! Take care❤
Sad story. Thank you for covering it. It's been my experience that with things like Dementia and Alzheimer's any quirks or little habits seem to be enhanced. If that makes sense. For example, if someone was kind of a collector of things they may become more of a hoarder if they get that. They sometimes will behave as if they are children. It can be so awful and defeating to deal with. It's my opinion if that story is actually true it falls squarely on the shoulders of the facility he was in. If it wasn't true the same thing, they should have been the first to get with the media and tell the truth. If they didn't know the truth... well once again it's on them.
I saw Verne Gagne wrestle Nick Bockwinkle in Green Bay circa 1971. About a year later we landed at Tampa International while on a family vacation. While riding the people-mover at the airport, my Father said, "There's Verne Gagne." He was standing at the opposite end of the car with a large blond gentleman. I got a piece of paper and a pen and approached him, asking for his autograph. While signing for me he introduced his companion by saying, "This is Eddie Graham. He's a wrestler too." I didn't know Eddie Graham because he was not AWA. But I went to matches in Oshkosh with wrestlers like Red Bastien, Bullinski, Crusher, Ivan Koloff, Don Muraco, Wahoo McDaniel, Bobby Heenan, Larry Hennig, Blackjack Lanza, and even Andre the Giant. I remember seeing the Vachon's, Mad Dog and Butcher in a tag team battle in Green Bay.
Wow ! What a awesome story Jordan , yours are always so interesting I’m so glad that you decided way back when to start telling peoples stories. Thank You to Katie as well. Sam & Dakota send their Love to the Jahster from Colorado 🐶🐶🐶🌹🌹🌹♥️♥️♥️🤗🥰 Safe Travels to you all , You are Loved & Appreciated here.
Thank you for this interesting video. I am actually heading to the Yorktown Mall today! They should have a statue for Hulk Hogan, like the Mary Tyler Moore statue we have in downtown Minneapolis.
If he legitimately has Alzheimer's, he can't be held liable because he "wasn't in his right mind."* He CAN be charged, though. That's a different issue. But the family of the deceased can bring a civil suit against the nursing home and the aggressor (the wrestler in this case.) *Different states have different criteria, but in this case it's pretty clear that he clearly didn't appreciate the nature of his actions, or know the wrongfulness of what he did.
Jordan, I forgot to mention earlier that in a round about odd way. I have a connection with the AWA. AWA wrestler Ray "the crippler" Steven's was born in my hometown of Point pleasant WV. 3 days before my dad was born in that same hospital. From what I can tell Ray didn't stay in the area long. He grew up in Columbus Ohio.
That's awesome! Holy cow, ray Steven's was from Point pleasant?? I didn't know that! Haha, that's crazy! Mothman and Ray Steven's, Ric Flair's favorite wrestler..
Hey, Jordan and Katie!!! I live 15 minutes south of the MOA, and there was the old, outside Met Stadium where the MN Twins Baseball Team and MN Vikings Football played. But there was also an indoor Met Center where the old MN North Stars NHL Hockey Team played. Vern would have been at the indoor Met Center.
I would say that the "not guolty by reason of insanity " law may apply . While we don't often think of Alzheimer people being insane, they don't have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong . The nursing home however, should have been charged for failing to keep the resident safe . Nursing homes are awful places to end up. Residents are forced to take medications that in the long run don't contribute to their health, . Many medications just cause more issues, leading to yet more problems, and more meds prescribed to correct what the other meds are causing . I have a friend whose mom has Alzheimer's . I suggested a proper keto diet ( low carbs, no sugars . After four months, she's improved greatly . The medical community needs to be schooled on proper nutrition at any age .
Sorry too hear about your good friend great video awesome information by you too hope you two are doing well and healthy too thank you so much for sharing your video with us .👍
I had a friend who was a very tough guy.....in a nursing home.....many people are mistreated in nursing homes....you should be enlightened on this subject.....all nursing home has to say to deflect accusations is to just say "they sre out of their mind"... yup
I know plenty about nursing homes.. ive had several family members in there that I have visited since I was a child, and watched my grandpa deal with them first hand with his parents. You shouldn't tell people to enlighten themselves when you don't know their history..
@@DazewithJordantheLion you don't advise me on what I should or should not do..... who the heck do you think you are?....you think you are my moral superior???.....you are just a "kid" with a camera/phone....and....you have no idea who you are talking to either.....I have lots of experiences before you were born....
I wasn't into wrestling by choice. My dad was an attorney in LA back in the 50's and one of his clients was Gorgeous George. He put together the papers for a turkey ranch George was buying Thousand Oaks Calif. I was only 10 years old then and I remember the wrestlers would come over to the house for a BBQ my dad would throw for them. I remember Freddie Blassie, among some of the top of day wrestlers. Johhny "red shoes" Duggan, Jimmy Lennon (uncle to the Lennon sisters). I became a wrestling fan after that. I met Hulk Hogan before he was ever in wrestling, when he played guitar in a small band in So. Cal. Terry Bolea. Many more to remember. Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end.
@@DazewithJordantheLion Thanks for your reply. I have met so many of the old wrestlers. At the time I didn't really know them but as time moved on I appreciated the fact that I met them, even though I was just a kid.
I love the claasic awa. Wen my youngest sister was growing up she loved wrestling. And she still does. And my neice and nephew loves wrestling also. And they are both in their 20s.
What really messed up AWA was the fact that Verne Gagne didn't get with the times he had a gold mine with roster that had Hulk Hogan, Iron Sheik,Paul Orndorff, Junkyard Dog,Dr D David Shultz,Mean Gene Orkerlund,Bobby The Brain Hennan,Roddy Piper,Jimmy Sunka,Ken Patera I mean had it all but he was stuck in his old ways that was territorial and local tv station wrestling which was dying out because of cable tv especially with TBS that had NWA/JCP then here comes Vince McMahon Jr with WWF(now WWE) ushering the Rock And Wrestling Era partnering with MTV all Verne Gagne had to do was put the AWA WHC on Hulk Hogan but nope he got greedy and wanted half of Hogan's profits from Rocky III that's why he kept the title on Nick Bockwinkle who was past his prime when Hulk Hogan left AWA and signed with WWF the rest was history
I'm sure other non-lawyers have chimed in on what happened or didn't happen, I'll share a few thoughts as somebody who works for the local newspaper that covered the death investigation. For some reason I always assumed the incident happened in a different Bloomington nursing home. It happened a year or two before I started covering Bloomington, which I have more more than a decade. My predecessor covered the story, and we talked about it back in the day. I wish I could ask him to recount the details today, but he died several years ago. I can't say what did or didn't happen between Vern and his victim any more than Larry Zbyszko can. Neither of us were there. If Zbyszko tried to claim the media was pinning it on Vern, and that Vern's had nothing to do with it, then Zbyszko has zero credibility when it comes to anything he says. His claims on anything carry no weight with me. The media gets its primary info in a case like that from the investigating agency, which was the Bloomington PD. The media doesn't do its own investigation, generally, unless you're Dateline NBC. In a death investigation, you get your info from the PD, which has to pick and choose details it will release in an open investigation. In some cases, there may be a witness who speaks to the media, but I'd wager any witness inside the nursing home is either a resident, who the media won't get access to in most instances, or an employee, whose employer instructs not to speak to the media and to say little more than necessary. If the nursing home was negligent in some way, the last thing an employee or the employer wants is scrutiny and a lawsuit. All that said, the media isn't looking for witnesses who may or may not be credible in an effort to construct a narrative that "sells papers," or anything else. Sorry, conspiracy theories, it's just not how it works. I don't care if Fox News perpetuated a conspiracy theory and paid in excess of $800M to settle it, those of us at the local level are not making it up as we go along. Zbyszko is just trying to take the shine off of old Vern. I'm sure other non-lawyers have chimed in on what happened or didn't happen, I'll share a few thoughts as somebody who works for the local newspaper that would have covered the death investigation. For some reason I always assumed the incident happened in a different Bloomington nursing home. It happened a year or two before I started covering Bloomington, which I have more more than a decade. My predecessor would have covered the story, and I wish I could ask him to recount the details, but he died several years ago. I can't say what did or didn't happen any more than Larry Zbyszko can. Neither of us were there. If Zbyszko tried to claim the media was pinning it on Vern, and that Vern's had nothing to do with it, then Zbyszko has zero credibility when it comes to anything he says. His claims on anything carry no weight with me. The media gets its primary info in a case like that from the investigating agency, which was the Bloomington PD. The media doesn't do its own investigation, generally, unless you're Dateline NBC or something like that. In a death investigation, you get your info from the PD, which has to pick and choose details it will release in an open investigation. In some cases, there may be a witness who speaks to the media, but I'd wager any witness inside the nursing home is either a resident, who the media won't get access to in most instances, or an employee, whose employer instructs not to speak to the media and to say little more than necessary. If the nursing home was negligent in some way, the last thing an employee or the employer wants is scrutiny and a lawsuit. All that said, the media isn't looking for witnesses who may or may not be credible in an effort to construct a narrative that "sells papers," or anything else. Sorry, conspiracy theories, it's just not how it works. I don't care if Fox News perpetuated a conspiracy theory and paid in excess of $800M to settle it, those of us at the local level are not making it up as we go along. Zbyszko is just trying to take the shine off of old Vern. I highly doubt there was ever much likelihood Vern would be charged with murder. If his dementia was well documented, and significant, it's pretty likely that no charges are filed against anyone in that situation. The PD doesn't decide if he is charged, the county attorney does. The courts don't get involved unless there are charges. The county attorney's office files charges, and does so only if it things it has a case with evidence to support a conviction. They're not going to start a legal proceeding on a whim, or for a show. Any speculation that there was serious consideration of charging Vern with murder is nothing more than speculation, and probably from someone with about as much credibility as Zbyszko. So none. I didn't follow the story closely, or care about the details. It wasn't mine to report. But yeah, safe bet he didn't remain at Friendship Village. No way they let him stay there after such an incident. Every resident is going to fear for his/her life. I've been inside Friendship Village. It has different levels of service, and maybe a higher level unit with regular medical care, but that place is luxury senior living. It's got an indoor pool and a golf simulator. That place ain't cheap, and it ain't a nursing home so much as it's a Taj Mahal for seniors. Vern needed more care and attention than that place offered, I suspect. I'm not an AWA historian, but I remember it as a kid in the '80s. Minnesota had a lot of claims to fame from Hulk Hogan onward thanks to all the talent Vern produced in his territory. So many people have a story about old AWA wrestlers from way back when, because they were local celebs, not national celebs touring the entire country, and more. One of my colleagues, a sports writer for 50 years and still going, wrote a pro wrestling column for our publications back in the 80s for a few years. He knew a lot of the AWA wrestlers and got to know a few of them pretty well. He even had dinner with Andre the Giant once. He told some of his stories last year on my podcast. Last fall Bloomington was the site of an infrequent AWA reunion. I didn't attend, but a few hundred fans did. It drew a bunch of old timers...nobody super famous, that I'm aware of. But there's still plenty of reminiscing happening all these years later. Not bad for a wrestling promotion that has been out of business for 30 years. One of the old wrestlers who attended lived in Bloomington pretty much his whole life. Kenny "The Sodbuster" Jay got his nickname because his main income in his wrestling days was lawn/landscape type work. Sodbuster was a jobber, but he did participate in one of those gimmicky boxer vs. wrestler matches way back in the day. TH-cam tells me it was in 1976, I believe in Chicago. And Sodbuster fought Muhammed Ali. Really! It's not a long match, and you can find decent video of it on TH-cam. Sodbuster never was a champion, but he's well remembered by AWA fans. He never left Bloomington and died on Groundhog Day at age 85. I know you were just passing through, and like most major cities, there are many cool things to see and do, some of which you can find on tourist guides, some less so. You would love meeting a quirky pseudo-celebrity in Bloomington. The guy's stories are legit (mostly) and his house is wild. There's a simple, historic old bridge in Bloomington with an interesting history, and a great slice of nature (and a legit farm) very close to Mall of America. There's a pretty nifty little museum that's not easy to find, tied to aviation, although that might be more Carpetbagger's thing. Stick around a little longer next time you pass through Minnesota.
❤GREAT VID❤ I grew up in Wisconsin and on pro wrestling. Went to many AWA matches. Much later in life I was visiting the zoo in Minneapolis and the tram operator was Baron von Raschke!! Bobby Heenan and Nick Bockwinkel were big time when I was a kid. I lived two houses away from the family of The Crusher. A Milwaukee legend. Do you remember the crusher bolo? That was his signature move. 😂 as a young boy I met Dick the bruiser at the Milwaukee boys club.
He trained so many champions , i heard he trained ric flair. Ric wanted to give up and verne went to house and told him shut up about quitting and drug him back to his training camp. Always watched awa here in Chicago with my grandpa and later.
40 yr nursing home nurse here, and yeah, that sort of stuff does happen. And it depends on the state's laws as to whether someone with dementia can be charged or not. Most states won't prosecute it though, because then they have to provide a facility that can give the patient the care they need. Most prisons discharge demented or when the prisoner gets so disabled from their chronic illness/age, to whichever nursing home the state contracts with. A facility I worked with here in Albuq., we had the state contract. We had a guy who had been jailed for a very brutal murder. And the guy was okay, but there was one thing we could not do and that was call him by his real name. Only a select few knew his real name, most of the staff did not. I could write a book detailing this sort of behavior and no, they can't help it most of the time. The thing with dementia, some people get what we call "pleasantly confused"..........but some get really aggressive. Staff does get hurt, same with therapists. I had a dementia resident in an mobility scooter run my foot over and it cracked an ankle bone... I was limping around work in an open slipper until it healed. She didn't mean to do it. Her family felt real bad about it.
Very cool to know you are back here in the Twin Cities. I forgot all about the Met Stadium and The Met Center where the MOA is now. I watched lots of twins games at the Met Stadium and saw many concerts like AC/DC at the Met Center which was North of the stadium. I never saw any wrestling events here but I did watch the Minnesota North Stars play a couple times. WWE moved over to the Target Center where I did see many wrestling events because I work for the company that owns the fiber out of the building. So not to brag but I was able to hang out with all the wrestlers and even eat dinner with them and the crew behind the scenes. OK fine I'm bragging a little. My all time favorite was eating dinner with the Undertaker and his wife when The BIG Show walked in wearing pink flip flops and pink shorts. I pointed at him with a co-worker and Undertaker said "you gonna say anything to Show about that?" I said nope. All of the guys are awesome to be with because I grew up watching them. I love what you do and hope you enjoy Minnesota.
I worked in long term care for 30 years. Even staff get injured frequently. I remember it coming out in our local newspapers that Verne picked the man up over his head and body slammed him to the floor.
I don't know much about Wrestling. I think they would classify Verne as Insane and not responsible for his actions. Thanks for telling his story. You, Katy and Jah all stay safe. Take care.
While you ate in Minnesota you should go to Duluth and visit the Glensheen mansion that was owned by Elizabeth Congdon. She was the richest woman in Minnesota until she was murdered by her son in law
I graduated from Wayzata High ( near by). I would say every wrestling squad at the Wayzata schools were mostly made up of the farm kids from Hamel. Hopefully you got to see Lake Minnetonka also. Thanks Jordan.
Back in Verne's day, wrestling wasn't for actors, they do much damage to their bodies now but, back then it wasn't performance, if you got beat, you got beat. Sounds like him and Vince had much in common with their business deals. That's happened in nursing homes, one patient killing another and both being so sick they weren't aware of what was going on, nothing can be done with someone that sick, perpetrates have to leave that particular place or hirer private care.
I had read all this about Verne a few years ago. Sad ending for sure. Two Greg Gagne's in Minnesota same time period. The wrestler and the Twins SS. Of course Twins SS spelled Gagne the same as the wrestler. But he pronounced his Gag Nee
What doesn’t make sense to me from Larry’s side of the story is he said Mary was helping Vern with his episodes with Alzheimer’s, but Mary died in 2002 (according to the tombstone). Does that mean that Verne had Alzheimer’s for almost 15 years?
I’m not into wrestling; but you do so much research that it was very interesting! My Grannie was in a nursing home with dementia! I’m glad she was safe!! Nice to see Katie!! Have a fun time!!
😢 My grandmother was a big wrestling fan. Every Saturday no one could get near the TV she had to watch vern Gagne her Favorite wrestler. I didn't know that much about wrestling so every time I'd watch I'd learn more and more I wasn't that into it so I knew about him and that was it I really didn't know anymbye, But it's very sad to know that something like that happened or somebody like that. It's nice to know that you are up in our neck of the woods this time We live just across the border from Minnesota in Wisconsin and of course we did watch the wrestling matches from Minnesota TV stations in Saint Paul and Minneapolis.
Verne Gagne was my favorite wrestler! Shocked to hear about his treatment of other people. I remember seeing the story on that incident in the nursing home. So shocking and sad..thanks for this story, Jordan!
Jordon, just an observation on vlogging technique .. May I suggest you use the opposite hand to hold the camera so you are facing your quest joining you. As it is now the your quest is left out of the loop and your missing their reaction to what you are saying. It also would allow you to interact more with them. Just a thouhgt Thanks always in enjoy your work.
Alzheimer's is a terrible affliction, I hope one day science will find a cure. But if there's ever a Mt. Rushmore of wrestling promoters constructed, Verne Gagne should be included. An absolute legend with an eye for talent, and the ability to train and guide them to their utmost potential!
The nursing home staff made this story up. The man fell in the hallway near Vern’s room. They thought it would be funny if they said Vern put him in a wrestling hold according to Larry Zybszko
Where was the staff that was responsible for the residents. Why were the two men left along long enough for that situation to happen? That was who was responsible for that man’s death.
Unfortunately Verne had zero clue what he was doing that day and nobody knows why he picked that man up. And all of us in Minnesota won't ever forget Jesse "The Body" Ventura who became our governor
There is nothing the courts can do except strongly suggest the patient be put in a more secure home. The can't prosecute a man that has no idea of what he did or why he did it, it's under the classification of insanity. Good video.
Correct. We had a situation with a family member suffering from dementia had an interaction with another facility resident. The other resident's family didn't press charges either.
Alzheimers people do tend to have a voilent moment here and there...but will forget 5 minutes later about what frustrated them. I think they just get frustrated because they know they sre changing but don't know why and they can't remember syuff etc. Its not all of them but a god bit of them. We have a couple in the family and i work with (sit with) a lady who is. We hid all the sharp knives and siscssors from her. We heard of an incident that a husband (local news) that had alzhiemer stabbed his wife with a knife because he had a moment of being upset. The wife died. They were both elderly. I don't think he got charged though because he was mentally not there.
Hi Jordan, Alzheimer's is such an awful disease, I know a few people that have died from that. So lovely though seeing the Jahster making new friends and enjoying himself, and lovely seeing your girlfriend again too. Great vlog Jordan.
Jordan you should write a book about your life, your travels, and all the interesting people you've met along the way. You have the gift of storytelling. *Another great vlog by Daze and Jordan the Jordan the Lion!
I personally took care of Alzheimer’s patients and they can be very strong even though they’re confused and many may have no idea of reality so that poor guy being body slammed by a previous pro wrestler with this disease I believe is very possible. Myself and many other co-workers have had the heck knocked out of us by many of these patients with this disease even with the little old ladies so I believe this could be so
I believe it! I've seen similar as well!!
Thanks you two! It's unfortunate that this happened in the nursing home with these two men. My father had Lewey Bodey Dementia in the end. I lived with him and my mother to take care of him. The night wandering is very common. I slept in living room to watch the door and caught my dad twice trying to go out! This nursing home is responsible for this happening. I imagine if it did go to court it would have been not guilty by reason of insanity. When they get like this they must be watched very closely. Luckily my father was very sweet and loved to flirt with nurses. They can be mean and nasty and combative the illness goes two ways. It's hard on family either way!
He was also an alternate for the U.S freestyle wrestling team at the 1948 Olympic Games; he later said that he might have wrestled in the Olympics, but his coaches had discovered that he had earned money winning a wrestling match at a carnival, thus putting his amateur standing in question.
I'm so happy for Jordan having Katy. She really looks to enjoy what he does also.
I always enjoy whenever Eric Bischoff tells stories about Verne Gagne on his podcast. He owes his career to him.
Jordan I have been in the field of Alzheimer’s and Dementias for over 25 years. Someone who suffers from dementia and or Alzheimer’s can’t be prosecuted for assault and battery, or God forbid the person dies, they can’t be held accountable or responsible for their actions. It’s up to the facility to determine if they are able to take care of him after he was getting aggressive. We have had many fights with two elders who are demented. Of course here in Maryland we have to report it to the state authorities who govern our facilities, we can send them out for evaluation and maybe adjust their medication. If he has been showing behavioral issues the facility and family members need to see if there’s another facility that can help better with those behaviors. It’s so sad to hear. He was my Nana’s favorite wrestler.
My Mother was a huge wrestling fan, so l watched it with her sometimes. I have learned so much about wrestling threw your channel! Sad this happened to him! My father passed from Alzheimer's in 91. My Mother had a really hard time controlling my dad but she refused to put him into a nursing facility. It is such awful thing to see! They truly do not know what they are doing! This really hit home with me since l know what happens with Alzheimer's patients! I only hope that a cure is found! I wouldn't have pressed charges either! Sad! Great to see Katie and Jah! Take care❤
Sad story. Thank you for covering it. It's been my experience that with things like Dementia and Alzheimer's any quirks or little habits seem to be enhanced. If that makes sense. For example, if someone was kind of a collector of things they may become more of a hoarder if they get that. They sometimes will behave as if they are children. It can be so awful and defeating to deal with. It's my opinion if that story is actually true it falls squarely on the shoulders of the facility he was in. If it wasn't true the same thing, they should have been the first to get with the media and tell the truth. If they didn't know the truth... well once again it's on them.
Verne Gagne trained a lot of talent woah
Great video but one part you said Vince Sr was buying up everything that was Vince Jr that got Hogan from awa not Vince Sr
I saw Verne Gagne wrestle Nick Bockwinkle in Green Bay circa 1971. About a year later we landed at Tampa International while on a family vacation. While riding the people-mover at the airport, my Father said, "There's Verne Gagne." He was standing at the opposite end of the car with a large blond gentleman. I got a piece of paper and a pen and approached him, asking for his autograph. While signing for me he introduced his companion by saying, "This is Eddie Graham. He's a wrestler too." I didn't know Eddie Graham because he was not AWA. But I went to matches in Oshkosh with wrestlers like Red Bastien, Bullinski, Crusher, Ivan Koloff, Don Muraco, Wahoo McDaniel, Bobby Heenan, Larry Hennig, Blackjack Lanza, and even Andre the Giant. I remember seeing the Vachon's, Mad Dog and Butcher in a tag team battle in Green Bay.
Wow ! What a awesome story Jordan , yours are always so interesting I’m so glad that you decided way back when to start telling peoples stories. Thank You to Katie as well. Sam & Dakota send their Love to the Jahster from Colorado 🐶🐶🐶🌹🌹🌹♥️♥️♥️🤗🥰 Safe Travels to you all , You are Loved & Appreciated here.
Thank you for this interesting video. I am actually heading to the Yorktown Mall today! They should have a statue for Hulk Hogan, like the Mary Tyler Moore statue we have in downtown Minneapolis.
I agree.. they may not even know, but that mall is historic!
Very good video. Sad when people get in their own way and refuse to change.
If he legitimately has Alzheimer's, he can't be held liable because he "wasn't in his right mind."* He CAN be charged, though. That's a different issue. But the family of the deceased can bring a civil suit against the nursing home and the aggressor (the wrestler in this case.)
*Different states have different criteria, but in this case it's pretty clear that he clearly didn't appreciate the nature of his actions, or know the wrongfulness of what he did.
Jordan, I forgot to mention earlier that in a round about odd way. I have a connection with the AWA. AWA wrestler Ray "the crippler" Steven's was born in my hometown of Point pleasant WV. 3 days before my dad was born in that same hospital.
From what I can tell Ray didn't stay in the area long. He grew up in Columbus Ohio.
That's awesome! Holy cow, ray Steven's was from Point pleasant?? I didn't know that! Haha, that's crazy! Mothman and Ray Steven's, Ric Flair's favorite wrestler..
Hey, Jordan and Katie!!! I live 15 minutes south of the MOA, and there was the old, outside Met Stadium where the MN Twins Baseball Team and MN Vikings Football played. But there was also an indoor Met Center where the old MN North Stars NHL Hockey Team played. Vern would have been at the indoor Met Center.
Thanks Jordan. Love your intro and outro music, is that your band?, they bring back memories of the Buzzcocks!
No, my friends old band 84 Nash. Thanks!
I would say that the "not guolty by reason of insanity " law may apply . While we don't often think of Alzheimer people being insane, they don't have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong . The nursing home however, should have been charged for failing to keep the resident safe . Nursing homes are awful places to end up. Residents are forced to take medications that in the long run don't contribute to their health, . Many medications just cause more issues, leading to yet more problems, and more meds prescribed to correct what the other meds are causing . I have a friend whose mom has Alzheimer's . I suggested a proper keto diet ( low carbs, no sugars . After four months, she's improved greatly . The medical community needs to be schooled on proper nutrition at any age .
Sorry too hear about your good friend great video awesome information by you too hope you two are doing well and healthy too thank you so much for sharing your video with us .👍
I had a friend who was a very tough guy.....in a nursing home.....many people are mistreated in nursing homes....you should be enlightened on this subject.....all nursing home has to say to deflect accusations is to just say "they sre out of their mind"... yup
I know plenty about nursing homes.. ive had several family members in there that I have visited since I was a child, and watched my grandpa deal with them first hand with his parents. You shouldn't tell people to enlighten themselves when you don't know their history..
@@DazewithJordantheLion you don't advise me on what I should or should not do..... who the heck do you think you are?....you think you are my moral superior???.....you are just a "kid" with a camera/phone....and....you have no idea who you are talking to either.....I have lots of experiences before you were born....
Beautiful Katie and Jordan , plus Jah . That was a cool vlog , thank you Jordan , have a great memorial weekend .
JORDAN - you have to do a vlog on the IRON SHEIK.
I will someday! I participated in the first Iron sheik roast, so I have some great stories and pictures.. he actually was a nice guy!
Wow, i dont think I'd ever heard this about Gagne. Thanks yet again! Btw, random thought-->Katie is quite beautiful!
Love your work Jordan!
Finally, I'm the FIRST VIEWER on a Daze video release. Thanks, Jordan, for all your fantastic work
I can't even comment for some reason today...except for replying 😊
I wasn't into wrestling by choice. My dad was an attorney in LA back in the 50's and one of his clients was Gorgeous George. He put together the papers for a turkey ranch George was buying Thousand Oaks Calif. I was only 10 years old then and I remember the wrestlers would come over to the house for a BBQ my dad would throw for them. I remember Freddie Blassie, among some of the top of day wrestlers. Johhny "red shoes" Duggan, Jimmy Lennon (uncle to the Lennon sisters). I became a wrestling fan after that. I met Hulk Hogan before he was ever in wrestling, when he played guitar in a small band in So. Cal. Terry Bolea. Many more to remember. Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end.
That's awesome!!!
@@DazewithJordantheLion Thanks for your reply. I have met so many of the old wrestlers. At the time I didn't really know them but as time moved on I appreciated the fact that I met them, even though I was just a kid.
Bobby the Brain said he did not have a problem with Gagne. Brain stated that he expected you to be professional and be on time.
I love the claasic awa. Wen my youngest sister was growing up she loved wrestling. And she still does. And my neice and nephew loves wrestling also. And they are both in their 20s.
What really messed up AWA was the fact that Verne Gagne didn't get with the times he had a gold mine with roster that had Hulk Hogan, Iron Sheik,Paul Orndorff, Junkyard Dog,Dr D David Shultz,Mean Gene Orkerlund,Bobby The Brain Hennan,Roddy Piper,Jimmy Sunka,Ken Patera I mean had it all but he was stuck in his old ways that was territorial and local tv station wrestling which was dying out because of cable tv especially with TBS that had NWA/JCP then here comes Vince McMahon Jr with WWF(now WWE) ushering the Rock And Wrestling Era partnering with MTV all Verne Gagne had to do was put the AWA WHC on Hulk Hogan but nope he got greedy and wanted half of Hogan's profits from Rocky III that's why he kept the title on Nick Bockwinkle who was past his prime when Hulk Hogan left AWA and signed with WWF the rest was history
The Mall of America is where the first WCW Nitro was shot.
That's why I vlogged it already. Full vlog 2 years ago
I'm sure other non-lawyers have chimed in on what happened or didn't happen, I'll share a few thoughts as somebody who works for the local newspaper that covered the death investigation.
For some reason I always assumed the incident happened in a different Bloomington nursing home. It happened a year or two before I started covering Bloomington, which I have more more than a decade. My predecessor covered the story, and we talked about it back in the day. I wish I could ask him to recount the details today, but he died several years ago.
I can't say what did or didn't happen between Vern and his victim any more than Larry Zbyszko can. Neither of us were there. If Zbyszko tried to claim the media was pinning it on Vern, and that Vern's had nothing to do with it, then Zbyszko has zero credibility when it comes to anything he says. His claims on anything carry no weight with me.
The media gets its primary info in a case like that from the investigating agency, which was the Bloomington PD. The media doesn't do its own investigation, generally, unless you're Dateline NBC. In a death investigation, you get your info from the PD, which has to pick and choose details it will release in an open investigation. In some cases, there may be a witness who speaks to the media, but I'd wager any witness inside the nursing home is either a resident, who the media won't get access to in most instances, or an employee, whose employer instructs not to speak to the media and to say little more than necessary. If the nursing home was negligent in some way, the last thing an employee or the employer wants is scrutiny and a lawsuit.
All that said, the media isn't looking for witnesses who may or may not be credible in an effort to construct a narrative that "sells papers," or anything else. Sorry, conspiracy theories, it's just not how it works. I don't care if Fox News perpetuated a conspiracy theory and paid in excess of $800M to settle it, those of us at the local level are not making it up as we go along. Zbyszko is just trying to take the shine off of old Vern. I'm sure other non-lawyers have chimed in on what happened or didn't happen, I'll share a few thoughts as somebody who works for the local newspaper that would have covered the death investigation.
For some reason I always assumed the incident happened in a different Bloomington nursing home. It happened a year or two before I started covering Bloomington, which I have more more than a decade. My predecessor would have covered the story, and I wish I could ask him to recount the details, but he died several years ago.
I can't say what did or didn't happen any more than Larry Zbyszko can. Neither of us were there. If Zbyszko tried to claim the media was pinning it on Vern, and that Vern's had nothing to do with it, then Zbyszko has zero credibility when it comes to anything he says. His claims on anything carry no weight with me.
The media gets its primary info in a case like that from the investigating agency, which was the Bloomington PD. The media doesn't do its own investigation, generally, unless you're Dateline NBC or something like that. In a death investigation, you get your info from the PD, which has to pick and choose details it will release in an open investigation. In some cases, there may be a witness who speaks to the media, but I'd wager any witness inside the nursing home is either a resident, who the media won't get access to in most instances, or an employee, whose employer instructs not to speak to the media and to say little more than necessary. If the nursing home was negligent in some way, the last thing an employee or the employer wants is scrutiny and a lawsuit.
All that said, the media isn't looking for witnesses who may or may not be credible in an effort to construct a narrative that "sells papers," or anything else. Sorry, conspiracy theories, it's just not how it works. I don't care if Fox News perpetuated a conspiracy theory and paid in excess of $800M to settle it, those of us at the local level are not making it up as we go along. Zbyszko is just trying to take the shine off of old Vern.
I highly doubt there was ever much likelihood Vern would be charged with murder. If his dementia was well documented, and significant, it's pretty likely that no charges are filed against anyone in that situation. The PD doesn't decide if he is charged, the county attorney does. The courts don't get involved unless there are charges. The county attorney's office files charges, and does so only if it things it has a case with evidence to support a conviction. They're not going to start a legal proceeding on a whim, or for a show. Any speculation that there was serious consideration of charging Vern with murder is nothing more than speculation, and probably from someone with about as much credibility as Zbyszko. So none.
I didn't follow the story closely, or care about the details. It wasn't mine to report. But yeah, safe bet he didn't remain at Friendship Village. No way they let him stay there after such an incident. Every resident is going to fear for his/her life. I've been inside Friendship Village. It has different levels of service, and maybe a higher level unit with regular medical care, but that place is luxury senior living. It's got an indoor pool and a golf simulator. That place ain't cheap, and it ain't a nursing home so much as it's a Taj Mahal for seniors. Vern needed more care and attention than that place offered, I suspect.
I'm not an AWA historian, but I remember it as a kid in the '80s. Minnesota had a lot of claims to fame from Hulk Hogan onward thanks to all the talent Vern produced in his territory. So many people have a story about old AWA wrestlers from way back when, because they were local celebs, not national celebs touring the entire country, and more.
One of my colleagues, a sports writer for 50 years and still going, wrote a pro wrestling column for our publications back in the 80s for a few years. He knew a lot of the AWA wrestlers and got to know a few of them pretty well. He even had dinner with Andre the Giant once. He told some of his stories last year on my podcast.
Last fall Bloomington was the site of an infrequent AWA reunion. I didn't attend, but a few hundred fans did. It drew a bunch of old timers...nobody super famous, that I'm aware of. But there's still plenty of reminiscing happening all these years later. Not bad for a wrestling promotion that has been out of business for 30 years.
One of the old wrestlers who attended lived in Bloomington pretty much his whole life. Kenny "The Sodbuster" Jay got his nickname because his main income in his wrestling days was lawn/landscape type work. Sodbuster was a jobber, but he did participate in one of those gimmicky boxer vs. wrestler matches way back in the day. TH-cam tells me it was in 1976, I believe in Chicago. And Sodbuster fought Muhammed Ali. Really! It's not a long match, and you can find decent video of it on TH-cam.
Sodbuster never was a champion, but he's well remembered by AWA fans. He never left Bloomington and died on Groundhog Day at age 85.
I know you were just passing through, and like most major cities, there are many cool things to see and do, some of which you can find on tourist guides, some less so. You would love meeting a quirky pseudo-celebrity in Bloomington. The guy's stories are legit (mostly) and his house is wild. There's a simple, historic old bridge in Bloomington with an interesting history, and a great slice of nature (and a legit farm) very close to Mall of America. There's a pretty nifty little museum that's not easy to find, tied to aviation, although that might be more Carpetbagger's thing.
Stick around a little longer next time you pass through Minnesota.
❤GREAT VID❤ I grew up in Wisconsin and on pro wrestling. Went to many AWA matches. Much later in life I was visiting the zoo in Minneapolis and the tram operator was Baron von Raschke!! Bobby Heenan and Nick Bockwinkel were big time when I was a kid. I lived two houses away from the family of The Crusher. A Milwaukee legend. Do you remember the crusher bolo? That was his signature move. 😂 as a young boy I met Dick the bruiser at the Milwaukee boys club.
He trained so many champions , i heard he trained ric flair. Ric wanted to give up and verne went to house and told him shut up about quitting and drug him back to his training camp. Always watched awa here in Chicago with my grandpa and later.
Johnny Weismuller used to go around the actor's rest home doing his Tarzan yell.
That's fun
40 yr nursing home nurse here, and yeah, that sort of stuff does happen. And it depends on the state's laws as to whether someone with dementia can be charged or not. Most states won't prosecute it though, because then they have to provide a facility that can give the patient the care they need. Most prisons discharge demented or when the prisoner gets so disabled from their chronic illness/age, to whichever nursing home the state contracts with. A facility I worked with here in Albuq., we had the state contract. We had a guy who had been jailed for a very brutal murder. And the guy was okay, but there was one thing we could not do and that was call him by his real name. Only a select few knew his real name, most of the staff did not. I could write a book detailing this sort of behavior and no, they can't help it most of the time. The thing with dementia, some people get what we call "pleasantly confused"..........but some get really aggressive. Staff does get hurt, same with therapists. I had a dementia resident in an mobility scooter run my foot over and it cracked an ankle bone... I was limping around work in an open slipper until it healed. She didn't mean to do it. Her family felt real bad about it.
Very cool to know you are back here in the Twin Cities. I forgot all about the Met Stadium and The Met Center where the MOA is now. I watched lots of twins games at the Met Stadium and saw many concerts like AC/DC at the Met Center which was North of the stadium. I never saw any wrestling events here but I did watch the Minnesota North Stars play a couple times. WWE moved over to the Target Center where I did see many wrestling events because I work for the company that owns the fiber out of the building. So not to brag but I was able to hang out with all the wrestlers and even eat dinner with them and the crew behind the scenes. OK fine I'm bragging a little. My all time favorite was eating dinner with the Undertaker and his wife when The BIG Show walked in wearing pink flip flops and pink shorts. I pointed at him with a co-worker and Undertaker said "you gonna say anything to Show about that?" I said nope. All of the guys are awesome to be with because I grew up watching them. I love what you do and hope you enjoy Minnesota.
I remember when this happened….I ❤ minnesota! Lived there for decades, Hope you had a great time!
My Father worked/wrestled for Vern back in the late 80's early 90's before moving on to Japan
Good information! Thank you!
I worked in long term care for 30 years. Even staff get injured frequently. I remember it coming out in our local newspapers that Verne picked the man up over his head and body slammed him to the floor.
Enjoyed, Jordan, Katy and Hansome Jah😊
I don't know much about Wrestling. I think they would classify Verne as Insane and not responsible for his actions. Thanks for telling his story. You, Katy and Jah all stay safe. Take care.
While you ate in Minnesota you should go to Duluth and visit the Glensheen mansion that was owned by Elizabeth Congdon. She was the richest woman in Minnesota until she was murdered by her son in law
Verne, doing what he did best, the other guy was giving, Verne crap. He got body slammed. Thanks,St.Paul,Minnesota.
That was very interesting. I had no idea about any of what happened with Verne.
I graduated from Wayzata High ( near by). I would say every wrestling squad at the Wayzata schools were mostly made up of the farm kids from Hamel. Hopefully you got to see Lake Minnetonka also. Thanks Jordan.
Great vlog well researched thanks again
Back in Verne's day, wrestling wasn't for actors, they do much damage to their bodies now but, back then it wasn't performance, if you got beat, you got beat.
Sounds like him and Vince had much in common with their business deals.
That's happened in nursing homes, one patient killing another and both being so sick they weren't aware of what was going on, nothing can be done with someone that sick, perpetrates have to leave that particular place or hirer private care.
Crusher Fest in South Milwaukee coming up pretty soon.
The man that made Milwaukee famous!
To bad Verne Gagne had alzheimers he was a legend in wrestling good vlog Jordan vickie napa california
Great video I never knew this
Thanks for that story awesome video
How long do you plan on visiting MN? State Fair Food Show today...see you there?
Jordan, I love most all of your posts, and Ja ❤. But that intro music ... 😫, Sorry.
That's ok.. its not changing
I had read all this about Verne a few years ago. Sad ending for sure.
Two Greg Gagne's in Minnesota same time period. The wrestler and the Twins SS. Of course Twins SS spelled Gagne the same as the wrestler. But he pronounced his Gag Nee
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Pat Paradise Rock Station likes this video, Jordan your side kick has to be one of the most beautiful woman I have ever seen before.
She's the best woman there is.. and I agree.. she's the most beautiful woman in the world to me
Love you Jordan, but Katie adds the WOW! Appreciate!
This happened years ago, before Verne passed away.
NO! It happened after he passed away.....
I'm so glad I subscribed to your channel
What doesn’t make sense to me from Larry’s side of the story is he said Mary was helping Vern with his episodes with Alzheimer’s, but Mary died in 2002 (according to the tombstone). Does that mean that Verne had Alzheimer’s for almost 15 years?
Didn't know his story. Loved your respect on his life. So happy to see Katie. TFS
Wow that was fun to watch
Great video
cool
Oh my, good video.
You ever been to former President Harry S. Truman’s house in Independence, MO?
Not yet
He had a couple of houses there I want to visit
I’m not into wrestling; but you do so much research that it was very interesting! My Grannie was in a nursing home with dementia! I’m glad she was safe!! Nice to see Katie!! Have a fun time!!
JAH is such a cute and beautiful boy ..
SUE THE CONVALESCENT HOME!
You should make a story on the von erich Wrestling family
I have
@@DazewithJordantheLion lol wow I'll look for it , new subscriber 😆
Wow
😢 My grandmother was a big wrestling fan. Every Saturday no one could get near the TV she had to watch vern Gagne her Favorite wrestler. I didn't know that much about wrestling so every time I'd watch I'd learn more and more I wasn't that into it so I knew about him and that was it I really didn't know anymbye, But it's very sad to know that something like that happened or somebody like that. It's nice to know that you are up in our neck of the woods this time We live just across the border from Minnesota in Wisconsin and of course we did watch the wrestling matches from Minnesota TV stations in Saint Paul and Minneapolis.
Ain't nothing wrong with your girlfriend
Verne doesn’t sound like a good guy
Wrestling promoter's are always close to bankruptcy. It makes them extremely cut throat.
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Jordan knowing how the media likes to manipulate things
Police reports don't though..
@@DazewithJordantheLion no?😂
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Verne Gagne was my favorite wrestler! Shocked to hear about his treatment of other people. I remember seeing the story on that incident in the nursing home. So shocking and sad..thanks for this story, Jordan!
Great story and great to see Katie again. Safe travels.
Jordon, just an observation on vlogging technique .. May I suggest you use the opposite hand to hold the camera so you are facing your quest joining you. As it is now the your quest is left out of the loop and your missing their reaction to what you are saying. It also would allow you to interact more with them. Just a thouhgt Thanks always in enjoy your work.
Alzheimer's is a terrible affliction, I hope one day science will find a cure. But if there's ever a Mt. Rushmore of wrestling promoters constructed, Verne Gagne should be included. An absolute legend with an eye for talent, and the ability to train and guide them to their utmost potential!
Absolutely
The nursing home staff made this story up. The man fell in the hallway near Vern’s room. They thought it would be funny if they said Vern put him in a wrestling hold according to Larry Zybszko
Problem was the investigation said otherwise
Where was the staff that was responsible for the residents. Why were the two men left along long enough for that situation to happen? That was who was responsible for that man’s death.
great seeing you guys!
Jordan u were 2hrs south of me u gata see my stuff sometime ur back in this area keep up the videos
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