PSA: "Don't get shot point blank with a slug to the chest" - John Lovell. Words to live by, literally. I say yes to the third taco just because I have your back and what surprised me was the fact Ben was wearing ski goggles while you have the cool tactishades.
Yeah, pretty much. Even Level IIIa soft armor will technically _stop_ a slug, but in that case you're dead anyway as it turns your ribcage into a Claymore. Don't get shot with a slug, no matter what armor you're wearing. You're gonna have a bad day.
@@DataGeek903 22-250 But really A copper projectile M193 out of A 18-20 inch barrel very well might cut though. Notice Lovell put M193 through A 10-11 inch barrel ....... THAT WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE. A suppressor MIGHT add 50-100 fps.
Hey WPS!! Would love to see a video with some general advice for college students. I'd really like to know what y'all would recommend for EDC, and just some advice on how to handle emergency scenarios that could happen on or around campus. Appreciate it y'all!
Test out the Battle Steel Level IV plates. They're 5.5 pound hybrid plates. I've seen LOTS of tests on these affordable plates as they're cheap enough for independent people to test, and they do indeed hold up. I have a set in my lightweight scout armor rig (10x12 plates instead of my usual 11x14, and no side plates).
Those botach plates were awesome when they were $90, but now they are like $140 which approaches the price point for lower end American made armor. The chinese LongFei or whatever high cut helmet is still a good deal though at $200 shipped.
That's actually pretty impressive. I don't like steel plates much, but I think this is on my distant wishlist. Great review, even the M193 on the edge.
I do like steel when done properly but the price now just doesn't make sense. They used to be the budget option and now somehow they are priced more than budget ceramics.
Wow these plates are a go for me, impressive on that last shot that was really too low for testing and yet still was caught, impressive. Thanks for sharing! 😊
@textme-1580 great vid 👍. I'd like to see you do a vid with a balloon or piece of ballistic gel setting on top of plate to see what kind of shrapnel if any sprays, I don't relish the idea of the plate saving my pumper and still getting my jugular opened up or my eyes put out, also I'd like to see it hit with a 7.62, thanks.
I am surprised it stopped the 6.5, I would have owed you tocos. Plus I looked down and I really need to workout, single curve will work just fine for me.
All: Several years ago during studies on composite overwrapped launch tubes and barrels the researchers came up with a term called "critical sound speed". This term explains why laminate armor works: The impact dissipates energy to the media at the limit of its sound speed. Square root of modulus over density. As an example rubber has no STRENGTH but capturing it between strong materials makes it transfer the load as if it's absolutely rigid because it's sound speed is low (natural rubber is as low as 25 fps). The "sandwich" also changes the direction of a shaped charge jet which is why they're used on light armor vehicles that cannot take a reactive pack.
The heavier the projectile and the faster it's going, the more kinetic energy it delivers. That distance of deformation is commonly referred to as “back-face deformation,” and by itself can still be lethal. In many cases, trauma pads can be used to lessen the effect of back-face deformation. Lighter may not always not be the way to go. How much do you love yourself? Love the channel Mr. John!
Ben should in fact get you a third taco; not only will you save money in the taco, but it will also work towards saving you money in the multi-curve plates…
Wow! Took that 6.5 Creedmoor like a boss! Now I need to buy another carrier to put these in... good excuse to finally get an Armored Republic Valkyrie plate carrier!
I looked at these AR500 A3 lvl 3+ plates for quite awhile initially, the weight was really nice but the price point and potential spalling ended up being deal breakers for me. I wasn't finding enough videos at the time on if they spalled or not so I ended up going with some lvl 4 Highcom 4SAS&'s instead. Heavier, but I was left happy overall with my decision. Interesting to see a more in-depth review of these, thanks!
buildup coats usually stop fragmentation, and if you are still not comfortable with that there are frag sleeves for like $50 that solve that problem. fragmentation IS a threat when you have a bare plate and thin carrier, but buildup coats and any decent thicker carrier really negate that issue. the multi hit capability of steel with the buildup coat/frag sleeve are great, especially if youre in a static position or riding in a vehicle where you probably will take multiple hits before being able to get to any cover.
@@RTTGunsGear The reviews I saw were either directly from the company, which I don't always trust from any company due to marketing gimmicks, or folks on YT who weren't running the plates through the same set of criteria that I would have preferred to see. I am not dinging the design, but to me the possibility of molten hot metal shavings ending up in my jugular had me pass back then. I am sure John's testing put more people's minds at ease like mine. I got to see it getting caught within the coating/ballistic cloth. They didn't use to put the ballistic cloth in there, it was just the rubber before, you know? When that rubber would take a few hits it would just fall off back in the day and all you had was solid metal again that could spall.
@@darkangelgaming1117 The steel strike face of the A3 plate is very thin. It isn't designed to stop the bullet, but instead it is there to slow it down enough for the polyethylene to catch the bullet. This goes for M855/green tip as well as those are the ones that pass through polyethylene plates. So, the A3 does not have the same type of ballistic characteristics as steel core armor and there is little to no fragmentation or spalling. One question I like to ask: have you ever actually read a report where someone was killed or even hurt from fragmentation from wearing a steal core plate? I haven't. Ever. Final point: "Fragmentation" is the fragments of the bullet when it strikes the plate. "Spall" or "Spalling" is part or parts of the actual plate that breaks off due to being shot. There is a difference. 👍
I would like to see one of those plates take a 500 s&w round. I have seen what a 350 grain hollow point did to 2x2x1/4" angle iron at about 50yrds. Bent the flat side about 1inch in.😳🤘🤘
Hey John, I love your work but I also love 1911s, Armoured Republic Steel plates, and hate Glock grip angle. Lol I can disagree with you on these things and still value your opinion. Some people need to grow up. Keep up the good work! God bless you and yours.
John, I know this video was about plates, but I'm curious what your updated preference is on plate carriers. Specifically, do you think the HRT LBAC is better than the HRT RAC? Or perhaps there's an even better plate carrier system out there you prefer. I have a CRYE JPC 2.0 which is fine but I do not like the cumberbund velcro system for donning and doffing which the RAC + LBAC seem to do much better at Also, my CRYE JPC 2.0 has the GT2 plates in them but I am trying to find a system to make them more comfortable as my Army issued plates plus Kevlar backer made wearing plates much more padded to wear (particularly for going prone) and I am wondering if there is a system similar to that as far as current plate carriers go. Perhaps I need a better plate carrier or perhaps there is an insert I can add. The plates do fit quite tightly already though. Thanks in advance
Can someone explain to me why these types of plates are $400+? Bear in mind, I can find 4" thick 10"x12" slabs of UHMWPE online right now for $240. That's the thickest I can find, and that's way thicker than UHMWPE armor plates. No, I'm not recommending raw UHMWPE slabs as a viable alternative. I just can't wrap my head around the price tag of high density PE plates when the material is common and widely available for much cheaper. Shaping and spall coating does not cost that much.
can you find out what CAN penetrate spartan armor ar550 plates with the buildup coat? i know 30.06 AP can, but theres really not many videos testing SA ar550 plates. id also like to see some testing regarding fragmentation with them too if ya can. id like to see m193 and m855 from an ar with 20 and 24 inch barrels at close range at least.
Howdy , a back plate about a foot behind the wood would let you know if anything went through . And TY ! And shoot what you want , as long as it’s not me !
I'm 63yo and have 4 bulging discs in my spine as well as worn out knees...best I can do is PE level 3A plates that weight 3lb. for both plates and pray I don't run into anything bigger than.357sig. Though at my age and in my condition I don't do much running into, out of or away from anything... 😂
PSA: "Don't get shot point blank with a slug to the chest" - John Lovell. Words to live by, literally. I say yes to the third taco just because I have your back and what surprised me was the fact Ben was wearing ski goggles while you have the cool tactishades.
Yeah, pretty much. Even Level IIIa soft armor will technically _stop_ a slug, but in that case you're dead anyway as it turns your ribcage into a Claymore. Don't get shot with a slug, no matter what armor you're wearing. You're gonna have a bad day.
I just have big black rimmed glasses underneath them goggles from the planet Hoth, that's why my man;)
I thought the Creedmoor was going to blow through, the plate is awesome, 4 1/2 lbs, thin profile . It's a winner. 👍 Thanks John🧔
Velocity or density or ideally BOTH for AP work. If it's not cooking over 3000fps it is unlikely to go through plate.
@@AKlover yep all about velocity. 6.5 C only goes 2800fps.
Would like to see a 224 Valkyrie..
@@DataGeek903 22-250 But really A copper projectile M193 out of A 18-20 inch barrel very well might cut though. Notice Lovell put M193 through A 10-11 inch barrel ....... THAT WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE. A suppressor MIGHT add 50-100 fps.
@@AKlover saw another test. Awful backface deformation from I think it was M193
Appreciate you and the crew!
Hey WPS!! Would love to see a video with some general advice for college students. I'd really like to know what y'all would recommend for EDC, and just some advice on how to handle emergency scenarios that could happen on or around campus. Appreciate it y'all!
Pepper spray is a good edc around campus. It's cheap and very effective.
@Jake Mizell he has a video where he talks a little bit about this.
i love armored rebuplic! super excited to finally see 2 of my favorites in one video wps and ar500.
Appreciate you testing these and all plates you sell.
That's why I try to maintain a gut that sticks out further than my chest - so that I can use single curve body armor.
Great video, great seeing you in Phoenix also
Test out the Battle Steel Level IV plates. They're 5.5 pound hybrid plates. I've seen LOTS of tests on these affordable plates as they're cheap enough for independent people to test, and they do indeed hold up. I have a set in my lightweight scout armor rig (10x12 plates instead of my usual 11x14, and no side plates).
Battle Steel Level IV Origin: IMPORTED. That's a big NOPE!
Those botach plates were awesome when they were $90, but now they are like $140 which approaches the price point for lower end American made armor. The chinese LongFei or whatever high cut helmet is still a good deal though at $200 shipped.
LAPG plates as well are only like $130 a plate and have held up very well in testing, especially for the price. Plus occasionally they go on sale.
@@strix4667 Yeah, but MADE IN CHYNA.
Also, it’s only an 8”x10” plate. It has a 1” foam edge around the entire plate. That’s how they achieve 5.5lbs.
That's actually pretty impressive. I don't like steel plates much, but I think this is on my distant wishlist. Great review, even the M193 on the edge.
I do like steel when done properly but the price now just doesn't make sense. They used to be the budget option and now somehow they are priced more than budget ceramics.
I have Hesco L210 plates and they aren't too heavy compared to my old steel plates.
Wow these plates are a go for me, impressive on that last shot that was really too low for testing and yet still was caught, impressive. Thanks for sharing! 😊
That last shot… even after the plate was pretty well used up already. Amazing tech for the weight
Great video! I got to shoot a couple of these plates as well and I was very impressed!
@textme-1580 great vid 👍. I'd like to see you do a vid with a balloon or piece of ballistic gel setting on top of plate to see what kind of shrapnel if any sprays, I don't relish the idea of the plate saving my pumper and still getting my jugular opened up or my eyes put out, also I'd like to see it hit with a 7.62, thanks.
Another great video John. Thank you
I am surprised it stopped the 6.5, I would have owed you tocos. Plus I looked down and I really need to workout, single curve will work just fine for me.
All: Several years ago during studies on composite overwrapped launch tubes and barrels the researchers came up with a term called "critical sound speed". This term explains why laminate armor works: The impact dissipates energy to the media at the limit of its sound speed. Square root of modulus over density. As an example rubber has no STRENGTH but capturing it between strong materials makes it transfer the load as if it's absolutely rigid because it's sound speed is low (natural rubber is as low as 25 fps). The "sandwich" also changes the direction of a shaped charge jet which is why they're used on light armor vehicles that cannot take a reactive pack.
"Its so deformed, I can't get it out." That's what she said
The heavier the projectile and the faster it's going, the more kinetic energy it delivers. That distance of deformation is commonly referred to as “back-face deformation,” and by itself can still be lethal. In many cases, trauma pads can be used to lessen the effect of back-face deformation. Lighter may not always not be the way to go. How much do you love yourself? Love the channel Mr. John!
If it's lighter and thinner, that means you can afford to have more padding on the back.
Super solid. Thanks for the review! I wouldn’t buy plates unless I saw a reputable source shooting them first!
Curious if it would stop M193 or M855 fired from 20 inch barrel.
Great test. I'm def going to check these plates out. Tell us about the cameraman's shirt, that snake pattern is kinda cool. Where to buy?
Another consideration would be Safe Life Defenses Hard Rifle Plate Level IV ICW plates- two for $299 as compared to one of these plates for $399
I could hear the "oooohs and aaaahhhs" from some viewers when john "slings" his battle rifle onto the table - love it, true warrior.
Treat it like a bitch not a baby
Nice video guys! Suggestion, please test some Carbon Nanotube and Graphene based armor.
Ben should in fact get you a third taco; not only will you save money in the taco, but it will also work towards saving you money in the multi-curve plates…
Wow! Took that 6.5 Creedmoor like a boss! Now I need to buy another carrier to put these in... good excuse to finally get an Armored Republic Valkyrie plate carrier!
Would be interested to see how Spartan Armor would hold up
Brother very informative. Thank you.
Any protection is better than no protection. But definitely, Bob and weave, shoot and move 😂
it almost looks like an integrated soft panel coated into it. yay for that indeed
I looked at these AR500 A3 lvl 3+ plates for quite awhile initially, the weight was really nice but the price point and potential spalling ended up being deal breakers for me. I wasn't finding enough videos at the time on if they spalled or not so I ended up going with some lvl 4 Highcom 4SAS&'s instead. Heavier, but I was left happy overall with my decision. Interesting to see a more in-depth review of these, thanks!
There is no potential for spawl. And reviews proving that have been out since the day these plates released.
buildup coats usually stop fragmentation, and if you are still not comfortable with that there are frag sleeves for like $50 that solve that problem. fragmentation IS a threat when you have a bare plate and thin carrier, but buildup coats and any decent thicker carrier really negate that issue. the multi hit capability of steel with the buildup coat/frag sleeve are great, especially if youre in a static position or riding in a vehicle where you probably will take multiple hits before being able to get to any cover.
@@RTTGunsGear The reviews I saw were either directly from the company, which I don't always trust from any company due to marketing gimmicks, or folks on YT who weren't running the plates through the same set of criteria that I would have preferred to see. I am not dinging the design, but to me the possibility of molten hot metal shavings ending up in my jugular had me pass back then. I am sure John's testing put more people's minds at ease like mine. I got to see it getting caught within the coating/ballistic cloth. They didn't use to put the ballistic cloth in there, it was just the rubber before, you know? When that rubber would take a few hits it would just fall off back in the day and all you had was solid metal again that could spall.
@@darkangelgaming1117 The steel strike face of the A3 plate is very thin. It isn't designed to stop the bullet, but instead it is there to slow it down enough for the polyethylene to catch the bullet. This goes for M855/green tip as well as those are the ones that pass through polyethylene plates. So, the A3 does not have the same type of ballistic characteristics as steel core armor and there is little to no fragmentation or spalling. One question I like to ask: have you ever actually read a report where someone was killed or even hurt from fragmentation from wearing a steal core plate? I haven't. Ever. Final point: "Fragmentation" is the fragments of the bullet when it strikes the plate. "Spall" or "Spalling" is part or parts of the actual plate that breaks off due to being shot. There is a difference. 👍
No third taco as your stomach will stick out further than you chest 😂. Great vid and hi from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Would have been interesting to keep bumping up calibers until failure. May have required a 2nd plate at some point, but interesting none the less.
If I have the money, Iwould definitely get that! Wearing an armor is better than nothing at all
What a warrior
Would love to see you shoot some LTC Leve IV Plates.
100% grounds for a 3rd taco. Great video as always
You should definitely get a third Taco maybe even a fourth since you shot it twice with the 6.5 and it stopped both
I would like to see one of those plates take a 500 s&w round.
I have seen what a 350 grain hollow point did to 2x2x1/4" angle iron at about 50yrds. Bent the flat side about 1inch in.😳🤘🤘
You should shoot the ace link level 3+ plates too
That plate is awesome it’ll stop that 6.5 creed !!
I looked down, I think i'm a single curve kinda guy 😂
Glad to help! Now start working on being a multicurve homie! You got it 🙌😃
Would have liked to see it take a 12g slug, but still good. Thank you
Ben should definitely get you the third taco and I'm going to say a fourth one as well. And maybe a beer to wash them down. Yeah, definitely a beer.
What about M855A1? For $400 a plate I'd like to see a little better performance, otherwise I can just stick with RMA 1155 for half the price
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
RMA has a new Plate for M885a1, close to 100 dollars cheaper than armored republic a3z
What's lacking in performance
Hey John, I love your work but I also love 1911s, Armoured Republic Steel plates, and hate Glock grip angle. Lol I can disagree with you on these things and still value your opinion. Some people need to grow up. Keep up the good work! God bless you and yours.
John,
I know this video was about plates, but I'm curious what your updated preference is on plate carriers. Specifically, do you think the HRT LBAC is better than the HRT RAC?
Or perhaps there's an even better plate carrier system out there you prefer.
I have a CRYE JPC 2.0 which is fine but I do not like the cumberbund velcro system for donning and doffing which the RAC + LBAC seem to do much better at
Also, my CRYE JPC 2.0 has the GT2 plates in them but I am trying to find a system to make them more comfortable as my Army issued plates plus Kevlar backer made wearing plates much more padded to wear (particularly for going prone) and I am wondering if there is a system similar to that as far as current plate carriers go. Perhaps I need a better plate carrier or perhaps there is an insert I can add. The plates do fit quite tightly already though. Thanks in advance
Thanks for the info👍
💯 needs taco eating contest.... no way you beat my medic
Love your guy’s stuff!
Thank you 👍.
Pretty decent deformation
When he asked for the second 6.5 shot you deserve a third taco 🌮🌮🌮
Can someone explain to me why these types of plates are $400+?
Bear in mind, I can find 4" thick 10"x12" slabs of UHMWPE online right now for $240. That's the thickest I can find, and that's way thicker than UHMWPE armor plates.
No, I'm not recommending raw UHMWPE slabs as a viable alternative. I just can't wrap my head around the price tag of high density PE plates when the material is common and widely available for much cheaper. Shaping and spall coating does not cost that much.
Think about the liability insurance thy need to have to sell armor. That’s going to add a huge cost.
Smaller creatures with high speed metabolisms generally require higher levels of nutrition. Hobbits come to mind. 3 Tacos it is!
Too much? :D
Ben buys John 4 tacos.
PLOT TWIST…
John gets a taquero (guy that show’s up to your party to make tacos) for the next WPS company party
it will be fine
The cold weather must have held the atoms tighter to each other. On hot days, what would you get? Kinda not serious.
I see you have a solar array in the background. You do like to party!
I'm surprised nobody strapped in to let us know what a green tip feels like, for science
Was that 6.5 creedmore a ruger precision? How about a review. Need a bolt gun and a new caliber to stock pile. Looks really good
Been using their ar500 steel plates and testudo carrier. Great products
Don't get the third taco. Get a red beer with the 2 tacos. 👍🤘🤙
are they rocket proof?
Nice solar array there in the background! Please do a video on it
can you find out what CAN penetrate spartan armor ar550 plates with the buildup coat? i know 30.06 AP can, but theres really not many videos testing SA ar550 plates. id also like to see some testing regarding fragmentation with them too if ya can.
id like to see m193 and m855 from an ar with 20 and 24 inch barrels at close range at least.
nice video. Great infor..!
"It's so deformed I can't get it out!"
That's what I told her, too!
Id like to see a test on the agilite operator plates they’re level 4 but weigh like 5 pounds
I checked my body composition and determined I need less food and more exercise... But going with multi-curve.
By your "gut bigger than pecs" fitment test, I'm so very a single curve guy!
Three tacos for sure!
Remember the Rule! Two is one and One is none!
So Three for the win!
I would like to see you test safelife armor
8:34 John said "JuSt aS gUd"
I Want An Adjustable WPS Bungee Sling
Can you guys do a review on your wps wooby camo Jacket
4 tacos, 2 for each shot for sure.
3rd taco is a must.
I’m over here making sure I drop no bullets and he is discharging his AR with no regard 😭
Have you tried ace link armor 3A plates
What plate carrier are you running?
BTW...finish every armor test with a 12ga slug, why not?
Truth in the chained lion analogy. Thank you for your service brother! 😎🇺🇸
Thanks for the likes and comments,.got something for you telegram me above to claim price
Yes Ben should get you a third taco because tacos are awesome
John the Mon don' wanna show you his secret plate formula Mon.
Not gunna stop it
This reminds me of my favourite theologians and philosophers of old
Let’s see some m855a1 John.
8:16 my prediction is hopeful: it will stop 6.5 Creedmoor.
Is the spalling lethal like the normal ar500?
It for sure doesn’t stop the 6.5
Sorry Ben but it's 3rd taco time. Plus Evan might get jealous. 😹🐼🇺🇸
Please do this test with Spartan Armor Systems, body armor!
Howdy , a back plate about a foot behind the wood would let you know if anything went through . And TY ! And shoot what you want , as long as it’s not me !
THANKS JOHN! REALLY GOOD INFO TO HAVE AND FOR SURE DON'T GET SHOT IN THE CHEST WITH A SLUG! 😁
I use their Testudo with RMA lvl 4 plates
He should definitely get you the 3rd taco for sure.
I'm 63yo and have 4 bulging discs in my spine as well as worn out knees...best I can do is PE level 3A plates that weight 3lb. for both plates and pray I don't run into anything bigger than.357sig. Though at my age and in my condition I don't do much running into, out of or away from anything... 😂
Apparently I owe you two tacos too.
Woah, did you just use “stopping power”, in reverse?
What's up with the red stripes on the mags?