After 40 yrs of mining, crushing, and screening I have found that the cheapest way to move material is on belts. It saves on fuel and wear and tear on expensive machines. A couple hundred feet of flat belts would be much cheaper than a big dozer and you could use 80-100 foot sections in other parts of your operation as the situation changed. Great videos. Also where's all the Atonic Sand hats and tees?
As a millright, I agree. Electric driven belts have next to nothing to go wrong compared to dozers & scrapers/haul trucks & loaders. A mid sized electric motor, frequency drive, belts and rollers. Just make sure it's being greased and wiped down to the MFG schedule religiously, or you'll always be chasing bearings and belt tracking problems
Hey Ryan love the Chanel looks such a cool place to work. Could you use haul trucks with with a couple of 360’s to move the sand quicker. Think a D11 is probably 1 million bucks 😬
Mr. dig why don't set up a conveyor belt to pull down the sand you need?? You could then push the sand into a hopper then the conveyor would carry the sand down to water edge or into the water to fill up the pond. You could several belts on a staggered levels to. Oh how was the honey???
Interesting. When in high school I spent some time dredging sand out of the Missouri river in Montana. Electric motor pumped the slurry to a tower on shore. Screened out the trash and silt, allowing the sand to pile up below the tower. Swung arcs on the river as the barge was hard-lined to a pivot on the bank.
Morning Ryan from All my past experiences in moving large quantities of Sand and Hard pan for the distances you are and beyond we either used tractors with moldboards with a hard face weld on the points to loosen the soil or chisel plows both are cost effective chisel plows wear More and takes more HP but with moldboard plowing you can cover a ton of ground in a day don't have all the wear and tare on undercarriage can move about the site quickly and you can also get one of the 8 wheel big tractors with dual pull behind pans to follow the plow in order to load up they can then in turn spread across closer to the dredge at which point a dozer can feed it to dredge at a shorter distance, when the hit the seam of red you don't like b they can simply change dump site for a more efficient moving of material
I like the conveyor idea, another possibility is two land scrapers, it looks like you have enough slope that loading wouldn’t be too much of a problem. Then when you hit the unfavourable soil, it’s easier to dump elsewhere.
You should look into draglines and/ or sauerman set up skyline dredge i know a place in Ohio that does sand and gravel mining that uses both and then loaders charge the conveyor hopper to run to the plant. Also have seen draglines dig the sand pile it and excavator or loader to fill haul trucks there's a show of antique heavy equipment in early spring that also has a tour of their sand mining operation
Cool informative video. Apart from belts to get the material down to the dredge it screams motor scraper to me. All down hill loading with a small dozer pushing it into the water, it could also extend how far back you can get it. Just a thought 👍🏼
Pines ..... A timber matt system like Chris uses mucking out ponds to pull the trees? To remove the trees to solid ground ... some type of flat bottom skidder pan, old steel landing craft boat you can drag on the sand to solid ground with a dozer on solid ground.? Old floating barge for tree removal and maybe be able to re-purpose afterwards?
Big crawlers cost a lot to move for only a short time of use. Maybe try running what you have side by side to carry more material. A couple of push-pull scrapers make sense, and they would have uses in other parts of the operation. Belts still require equipment at each end. Possibly the tool that could handle a bunch of evils would be a big old walking dragline.
As everyone is suggesting to use scrapers and conveyor belts to move the sand closer to the dredge are good ideas if the lenght of haul was a lot longer and or going to replace the drege completely. But since you said there is about 10ish year left in that part of the pit. A D10, 11 and a booster pump is a way better. With the booster pump it should technically make the drege pump more efficient since it doesn't have to push the sand the entire lenght of the hose, just to the booster. Then the booster can take care of the rest. With bringing sand to the drege the A to B distance to me is not long enough for scrapers or conveyors. You just have to make each pass more effective in that hour of operating. I believe if you had 1 D10 dozer it can move more sand in 1 hour then 2 D6's. You might be able to move enough sand in one shift to where the D10, 11 only needs to operate every other day or so. Then that operator can open ground on the next section or something like that. The 2 biggest problems with buying a big dozer like that is the cost of the dozer and transportation of the dozer. You might be able to get an older model fairly cheap. Its just the cost of transportation to the site where it throws off many people. But if it's goig to live the rest of its life there it might be worth it.
As others have suggested, Maybe you could run a big scraper or 2 rather than push it with a dozer. Scrapers cover distance with a lot less wear and tear than a dozer.
The distance is not far enough for scrapers. Plus since its in sand once they are empty they have to fight to get back up hill trying not to get stuck. The tires are designed for hard pack dirt not loose sand and to replace them it can cost over $20,000 a tire. A bigger dozer is better.
Have you tried a Pan Scraper to move the sand down to the dredge ? Cycle times would be quicker if the sand could support the equipment. Deere make a dedicated track Tractor & Scraper that is rentable.
I watch off and on had no idea you guys did sand mining too wicked cool i need to get out of Massachusetts i love running the cone crusher but this looks so cool couple crazy ideas as far as how to get the sand closer to the barge/ dredge if the pumps dont work maybe wheeled dozer if it could get around in the sand/depending on how steep that hill is probably a lot faster less wear on tracks and then put a drag line on a big barge grabbing the material and dropping it closer to the pump barge
before you cover and angle the cliff side, how can you grab that sand? instead of covering, can you conveyor from the top (below clay layer) down from a barge?
Wouldn't it be more efficient and faster to use a used or maybe two scraper pans to drag the sand down the hill to the dredge? Also, the scrapers could be used to scrape up over burden and transport it and place it as cover material. I enjoy all of your videos which are interesting and educational. Keep up the good work!
hi just a thought on moving the sand down hill to the dredge have you ever considered blasting it with water jets like a monitor they use to use in the gold mining operations one big pump high pressure high volume saves ware and tear on the dozers
I was gunna suggest what’s already been said, setting up some super stackers and just move it on belts. Whatever you decide I look forward to what’s to come.
You have 2 dozers running at the moment > That’s 2 lots of fuel, wear and tear and operators. Have you calculated the hourly cost to run those per amount of dirt they move? You can then compare that against the D10/D11 hourly cost per dirt moved. That should let you know if that would be cost effective. I would guess the a D11 with material blade would move enough sand to make it a viable option. You could look at hiring a barge to get an excavator onto your island to remove the trees and stumps.
If you're buying equipment to do the job, my mind says go with something you can pivot into another operation after the mine site is spent. The other side of my mind is saying use the KISS method. Find a simple solution with minimal moving parts, less money on break downs and such.
What about a water cannon to move the sand down the slope? We are taking off this week to go down to the Panama Canal to go do some diving there, to do some underwater archeology and I don't know if I will have internet down there or not!
They’ve tried using cannons in the past, but the kaolin layers made it extremely difficult to cut through. Good thinking though buddy! Have fun in panama! I’m going to be like you when I grow up
Down hill so a scraper should just grip enough and gravity will do the rest, a good set of tyres that are fairly soft. It will save you on undercarriage wear for sure. Rent one for a week and see how it goes, plus you won’t need any extra staff if you return the rental dozer. Great videos, watching from the UK
As far as the trees on the island are concerned, before modern logging equipment they used to use a donkey engine and a spar tree. Cinch up a few trees and drag them to where it's more convenient, like to the other side of the lake?
Hey Ryan !!! I got kinda lost with what you are trying to do there ,but guess you'll work it out !!! In watching those guys out in CA. with building those landfills & using those tandem scrapers , seems like that would help you out & quit wearing the dozers out ?? 🤔🙄
Good morning Mr diGG, being an excavator person I believe most material moving jobs can be done with the right machine. Would a long reach excavator working alternative sides of the slope in front of the dredge serve a purpose? Greetings from England 🏴 Sir.
What about bringing over your compactor to push sand into the lake on the weekends, when the compactor is not needed on the trash pile for Saturday and Sunday? You could hire a equipment operator to only work the weekends and when a guy calls in sick, so they are not full time. Maybe a person would like a job like that? They might be a older person, who is not needing full time work? Or a student who needs to do other things on the weekdays.
I enjoy your content. Just out of curiosity would pan scrapers work to move the sand down to the edge like they pull behind big four-wheel drive tractors just curious don't know nothing about that mining stuff know do how to move dirt from one place to another just no Kansas boy ask a question
How about an excavator putting the product into a series of the machines you use to stack the mulch product? If they are 60 plus feet and there were 2 or 3, it could be dumped into the water?
@@TheRealMrDiGG You may even be able to find surplus conveyors at Richie Bros Auctions for cheap? I once thought of getting a bunch of used 1 ton pickups and installing accordion conveyors on a small fleet of them for portable earth moving operations. But you know, money.
@Mr. DiGG your permit makes them no property tax. all those houses they see money signs. i hope all them new houses dont start causing problems' seen it before trying to pull a permit to build a deck took 3 months but 7 more empty lots got there permits to start on houses
Ryan, are you (and Dad and everyone concerned) aware of the different uses for different types of sand? See Wikipedia. - That fine white sand may be worth a lot more for sandblasting or as brake sand for railroads (also used when accelerating heavy trains) than as a building material. Maybe even worth bulk-shipping it to Europe (where I live). - I don't know about the purple stuff, but there's bound to be a marker for that, too! (Even if it were to create room for a landfill at that location. Meaning: if {getting rid of that sand} would cost you less than {what you charge for accepting waste}, it would contribute to your profit.) Slopes: if slopes should (temporarily or continually) prove too steep for negotiating straight up or straight down, do remember the invention of the hairpin curves in a mountain road, and handle the slopes at angles.
This is a great comment. I’ve been looking into specialty sand uses for years now. Problem is I need more equipment to produce it. Hopefully soon I can find time to research more. We’re exhausting the mine for a low value material right now and that bugs me. Unfortunately we have to sell concrete sand right now to stay alive. Appreciate you taking the time to comment, have a great day!
@@TheRealMrDiGGYou're welcome! - You may want to do some brainstorming with "everyone involved" (Dad, your great employees, potential customers) about turning /every/ type of waste (and whatever you have, like the sand) into something useful (preferably worth paying a price for) to others. Your thoughts definitely are on the right track! As you may have learned from Wikipedia, sand has a use in filtering water. (Here in the Netherlands, the tap water of Amsterdam has spent some time in the coastal dunes, as part of its preparation for entering the water lines.) - You have the sand, you have the water, you're considering to lower the water level. Don't merely pump the water away, it may make you money. The water currently present, but you might be in a good position to accept waste water (industrial waste water, but who knows) and upgrade it to levels of cleanness that to something of commercial value. - Again, you have bright people around you (at both locations), so encourage them (on Friday afternoons!) to think along with you. :-)
Instead of renting a d10 or d11 i would get a old school d9 would be easier to work on cause. A.) Theres no def system on it. B.) Easier to work on cause everything on it is mostly mechanical and no computerized bs. C .) Would be a excellent backup dozer for the landfill if orlandos dozer went down it has the wieght and power.
@@TheRealMrDiGG the trees look too small to support an excavator and would get mixed into the sand you want....proper mats would support excavator and enable you not to squish the trees into the sand, which then needs to be separated. The pine trees could go to the mulch process?
@@TheRealMrDiGG didn't Dirt Perfect and Let's Dig 18 just spend a holiday with him in Sweden.......need to lean on your friend network for an epic collab!!!
Or maybe could look into like some cheaper tractors with some big trailers , load w a trachoe and dump down by the dredge 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ I really have no idea just figure as many ideas ppl throw out there , diff ways to think about it 🤷🏼♂️👌🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Also if you look around there is places to lease the equipment i spoke of pull type scrapers behind tractor can still be loaded with excavator they have change out cutting edges etc and can be pushed with dozer as Needed can move massive amounts of materials and reason i said moldboard plowing verses ripping you can cover more distances at a wider stance and with scrapers your not going to pick up More than a few inches at a time for the distance your hauling anyways and will move roughly 38 yards of materials and place it where you need it with less compaction fuel and maintenance costs Will be cheaper they have the ability for good turn around speeds and can be equipped with GPS so not only a monkey can operate it but can be monitored from your office so you can see the production curves of your daily operation 1 tractor plowing and 2 tractors with 2 pull pans will move more material and place the material than what it will take 6 dozers several excavator and several dump trucks which is why you see these things on massive road jobs don't get the regular scrapers like Cat or Deere to expensive and you will want a more versatile setup you was talking about the island this is the way to move large quantities of materials to different locations and still keep your sand dredge working sure wish I lived closer to be able to show you exactly what im talking about but do research on this Ryan don't make a mistake and spend a ton of money on large dozer you won't get back your money for what your trying to accomplish
How long has Mr Terry worked at atomic sand and what part does he play.send your dad up to the planning office I bet he could get the permit with one visit.
Honestly, I would go solar. Why tie yourself to another electric bill when all you need to do is power some office equipment? Can you outfit the dredge with underwater cameras? If my grandpa were alive, he would have jumped at the opportunity to blast that steep bank. This may sound absurd, but could a small excavator on a pontoon deck take out the pine trees?
i don't understand the concept, an explanation would be helpful to those of us ignorant of the mechanics of sand production. from the outside it seems more efficient to move the sand to the final destination instead of pushing it into the water first, but you're obviously a smart guy so i'm missing something somewhere.
I think the simplest option would be to use a couple haul trucks and a decent size hoe. It would be a lot quicker than using a big dozer to slot doze all day long.
I know you talked about meeting your mining reclamation's requirements of having the finished slope at 3h:1v..... When 'dumped free fall dirt' is pushed over the 'high wall' it'll be at a natural angle of approximate repose of 1.4h--1.6h:1v. A simple way to check the slopes without high tech survey equipment is to use a clinometer (maybe you already have one?.....Forestry Suppliers item #43830, @$195.00, the one I used everyday I worked dirt slopes on my construction jobs, sometimes didn't even have to get off the equipment.....please read the reviews for a very knowledgeable tip). Once you learn how to use this simple tool (it's easy to learn) you'll be able to build your 3h:1v slope very accurately and quickly as well as planing future construction. Hang it around your neck every morning when you get on the job, carrying it in a shirt pocket. Thanks for the video.
Ryan why can’t you use nature to get the sand to the dredger, cut a channel down and use water to carry the sand down to the dredgers mouth, surely it would be easier and less labour intensive without the wear on the dozers
Instead of a huge dozer for a month, why not just pick up a slightly bigger one and keep it? Something that can push 2-3 times as much sand as your smaller ones, and free an employee up from shoving sand to do something else, like shoving the landfill around. Economies of scale, and it saves throwing money away on a rental machine. It's definitely a shame about the plastic from the slip and slide not being reusable, though.
After 40 yrs of mining, crushing, and screening I have found that the cheapest way to move material is on belts. It saves on fuel and wear and tear on expensive machines. A couple hundred feet of flat belts would be much cheaper than a big dozer and you could use 80-100 foot sections in other parts of your operation as the situation changed. Great videos. Also where's all the Atonic Sand hats and tees?
Will look into conveyors, thanks for sharing! Courtney says she has merch store almost ready! 👍👍
As a millright, I agree. Electric driven belts have next to nothing to go wrong compared to dozers & scrapers/haul trucks & loaders. A mid sized electric motor, frequency drive, belts and rollers. Just make sure it's being greased and wiped down to the MFG schedule religiously, or you'll always be chasing bearings and belt tracking problems
@@saluki417 Don't forget the employees required to operate the equipment. An inexperienced (lower paid) operator can cost a lot in repairs.
Hey Ryan love the Chanel looks such a cool place to work. Could you use haul trucks with with a couple of 360’s to move the sand quicker. Think a D11 is probably 1 million bucks 😬
True but I worked with a company that use pvc pipe and make the sand into a slurry
i would like to see that slide go trough the shredder it would be a fitting end to the slide
Not a bad idea!
A great watch some behind the scenes planing and listening to Terry is smart 👍👋🇨🇦
Terry knows his stuff!
Yall lucky to have Terry on your side. Sounds like he's got things under control.
He’s awesome
I loved your slip and slide videos. They were great.
Glad you like them!
I dam sure appreciate you making the videos to watch
Dam sure appreciate you watching!
Mr. dig why don't set up a conveyor belt to pull down the sand you need??
You could then push the sand into a hopper then the conveyor would carry the sand down to water edge or into the water to fill up the pond.
You could several belts on a staggered levels to.
Oh how was the honey???
Cool idea! The honey was delicious!!
Interesting. When in high school I spent some time dredging sand out of the Missouri river in Montana. Electric motor pumped the slurry to a tower on shore. Screened out the trash and silt, allowing the sand to pile up below the tower. Swung arcs on the river as the barge was hard-lined to a pivot on the bank.
That’s awesome, thanks for sharing!
Morning Ryan from All my past experiences in moving large quantities of Sand and Hard pan for the distances you are and beyond we either used tractors with moldboards with a hard face weld on the points to loosen the soil or chisel plows both are cost effective chisel plows wear More and takes more HP but with moldboard plowing you can cover a ton of ground in a day don't have all the wear and tare on undercarriage can move about the site quickly and you can also get one of the 8 wheel big tractors with dual pull behind pans to follow the plow in order to load up they can then in turn spread across closer to the dredge at which point a dozer can feed it to dredge at a shorter distance, when the hit the seam of red you don't like b they can simply change dump site for a more efficient moving of material
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I like the conveyor idea, another possibility is two land scrapers, it looks like you have enough slope that loading wouldn’t be too much of a problem. Then when you hit the unfavourable soil, it’s easier to dump elsewhere.
Good point
Great.video. The water at the sand plant has a beautiful color. Looks like Aruba. :)
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You should look into draglines and/ or sauerman set up skyline dredge i know a place in Ohio that does sand and gravel mining that uses both and then loaders charge the conveyor hopper to run to the plant. Also have seen draglines dig the sand pile it and excavator or loader to fill haul trucks there's a show of antique heavy equipment in early spring that also has a tour of their sand mining operation
Cool idea!
Cool informative video. Apart from belts to get the material down to the dredge it screams motor scraper to me. All down hill loading with a small dozer pushing it into the water, it could also extend how far back you can get it. Just a thought 👍🏼
Cool idea, but I don’t know if we could cut through those hard clay layers?
I really enjoyed this informative video. I'd like to hear more about the geology of the mine and uses for the different material.
It's a Chevy ! That about sums that up ! Thank you for another Great video. Cheers
Lol
Pines ..... A timber matt system like Chris uses mucking out ponds to pull the trees? To remove the trees to solid ground ... some type of flat bottom skidder pan, old steel landing craft boat you can drag on the sand to solid ground with a dozer on solid ground.? Old floating barge for tree removal and maybe be able to re-purpose afterwards?
Good idea
Keep up the great work. Keep on dreaming and planning to improve and be financially productive! Thanks for sharing 👏
Thank you! Will do!
Big crawlers cost a lot to move for only a short time of use. Maybe try running what you have side by side to carry more material. A couple of push-pull scrapers make sense, and they would have uses in other parts of the operation. Belts still require equipment at each end. Possibly the tool that could handle a bunch of evils would be a big old walking dragline.
Very cool ideas!
Great video bro, Terry has a good feel on what to do in the future. Safe travels. Ken.
No doubt!
As everyone is suggesting to use scrapers and conveyor belts to move the sand closer to the dredge are good ideas if the lenght of haul was a lot longer and or going to replace the drege completely. But since you said there is about 10ish year left in that part of the pit. A D10, 11 and a booster pump is a way better. With the booster pump it should technically make the drege pump more efficient since it doesn't have to push the sand the entire lenght of the hose, just to the booster. Then the booster can take care of the rest. With bringing sand to the drege the A to B distance to me is not long enough for scrapers or conveyors. You just have to make each pass more effective in that hour of operating. I believe if you had 1 D10 dozer it can move more sand in 1 hour then 2 D6's. You might be able to move enough sand in one shift to where the D10, 11 only needs to operate every other day or so. Then that operator can open ground on the next section or something like that. The 2 biggest problems with buying a big dozer like that is the cost of the dozer and transportation of the dozer. You might be able to get an older model fairly cheap. Its just the cost of transportation to the site where it throws off many people. But if it's goig to live the rest of its life there it might be worth it.
Good thinking!!
As others have suggested, Maybe you could run a big scraper or 2 rather than push it with a dozer. Scrapers cover distance with a lot less wear and tear than a dozer.
Worth some thought
Came here to say exact thing. It's perfect for a few scrapers.
The distance is not far enough for scrapers. Plus since its in sand once they are empty they have to fight to get back up hill trying not to get stuck. The tires are designed for hard pack dirt not loose sand and to replace them it can cost over $20,000 a tire. A bigger dozer is better.
Have you tried a Pan Scraper to move the sand down to the dredge ?
Cycle times would be quicker if the sand could support the equipment.
Deere make a dedicated track Tractor & Scraper that is rentable.
Clay layers too thick
Great video! What are the next steps at Atomic Sand? Looking forward to updates!
Will keep you posted!
I agree with Roger convey belts I have worked on belts for 35Years you can move lots and lower cost !😊😊 👍
Love this idea, how much you think it would cost??
I watch off and on had no idea you guys did sand mining too wicked cool i need to get out of Massachusetts i love running the cone crusher but this looks so cool couple crazy ideas as far as how to get the sand closer to the barge/ dredge if the pumps dont work maybe wheeled dozer if it could get around in the sand/depending on how steep that hill is probably a lot faster less wear on tracks and then put a drag line on a big barge grabbing the material and dropping it closer to the pump barge
Not a bad idea, thanks for watching!
Good morning from Athlone Ireland 🇮🇪Mr D
Good morning Ireland!
great video Ryan and thanks for the update on the sand mine 👍👍👍👍👍
No problem 👍
I think the conveyor ideas are probably the long term solution, go to any sand operation, by and large, most of the sand moves on belts.
I agree
before you cover and angle the cliff side, how can you grab that sand? instead of covering, can you conveyor from the top (below clay layer) down from a barge?
Maybe?
Wouldn't it be more efficient and faster to use a used or maybe two scraper pans to drag the sand down the hill to the dredge? Also, the scrapers could be used to scrape up over burden and transport it and place it as cover material. I enjoy all of your videos which are interesting and educational. Keep up the good work!
Not sure if they could cut through the clay layers?
Good morning. Thanks for sharing, pretty cool stuff😊
Good morning! Hope you have a wonderful Sunday!
hi just a thought on moving the sand down hill to the dredge have you ever considered blasting it with water jets like a monitor they use to use in the gold mining operations one big pump high pressure high volume saves ware and tear on the dozers
Clay layers too thick
I was gunna suggest what’s already been said, setting up some super stackers and just move it on belts. Whatever you decide I look forward to what’s to come.
We’ll figure it out I’m sure. Thanks for watching!
Hey Ryan that’s awesome site you got there man 😊😊
Hey, thanks!
Could a dragline possibly be utilized?
I dont think so buddy
Thanks Mr Digg
And good luck whatever you decide to do at Atomic Sand cos sand just destroys the equipment working in it
Thanks friend!
You have 2 dozers running at the moment > That’s 2 lots of fuel, wear and tear and operators. Have you calculated the hourly cost to run those per amount of dirt they move? You can then compare that against the D10/D11 hourly cost per dirt moved. That should let you know if that would be cost effective. I would guess the a D11 with material blade would move enough sand to make it a viable option. You could look at hiring a barge to get an excavator onto your island to remove the trees and stumps.
Great ideas!
If you're buying equipment to do the job, my mind says go with something you can pivot into another operation after the mine site is spent. The other side of my mind is saying use the KISS method. Find a simple solution with minimal moving parts, less money on break downs and such.
Good point!
Good morning young man, how about utilizing a scraper to get the sand closer than using the dozers to push in place? Just a thought sir? Thank you
Good idea, but I don’t know if it would cut cut through the hard clay layers
Excellent instructional video. Mucho gracias.
De nada!
Good job guys
Thank you sir!
What about a water cannon to move the sand down the slope? We are taking off this week to go down to the Panama Canal to go do some diving there, to do some underwater archeology and I don't know if I will have internet down there or not!
They’ve tried using cannons in the past, but the kaolin layers made it extremely difficult to cut through. Good thinking though buddy! Have fun in panama! I’m going to be like you when I grow up
Love watching this channel. You’re a chill, cool dude with some awesome companies. Keep showing us how you do it, play and business.
What about using a motor scraper to move the sand 80 percent of the way and then your dozer to push it into the water?
Not a bad idea
Down hill so a scraper should just grip enough and gravity will do the rest, a good set of tyres that are fairly soft. It will save you on undercarriage wear for sure. Rent one for a week and see how it goes, plus you won’t need any extra staff if you return the rental dozer. Great videos, watching from the UK
As far as the trees on the island are concerned, before modern logging equipment they used to use a donkey engine and a spar tree. Cinch up a few trees and drag them to where it's more convenient, like to the other side of the lake?
Cool idea, thanks for sharing!
Hey Ryan !!! I got kinda lost with what you are trying to do there ,but guess you'll work it out !!! In watching those guys out in CA. with building those landfills & using those tandem scrapers , seems like that would help you out & quit wearing the dozers out ?? 🤔🙄
Maybe but not sure they could cut through the tough clay layers
Good morning Mr diGG, being an excavator person I believe most material moving jobs can be done with the right machine. Would a long reach excavator working alternative sides of the slope in front of the dredge serve a purpose? Greetings from England 🏴 Sir.
Possibly, but they move such small amounts. Worth thinking about though!
What about bringing over your compactor to push sand into the lake on the weekends, when the compactor is not needed on the trash pile for Saturday and Sunday? You could hire a equipment operator to only work the weekends and when a guy calls in sick, so they are not full time. Maybe a person would like a job like that? They might be a older person, who is not needing full time work? Or a student who needs to do other things on the weekdays.
Pretty good idea, but afraid it might get stuck
Can you use a water pump and spray the water up on the sand and wash it back down near the dredge?
Tried that, clay layers too thick
I enjoy your content. Just out of curiosity would pan scrapers work to move the sand down to the edge like they pull behind big four-wheel drive tractors just curious don't know nothing about that mining stuff know do how to move dirt from one place to another just no Kansas boy ask a question
Possibly
Would slip and slide work to transport sand down instead of using the bulldozers?
lol, maybe?
Set up a wash plant on the hill maybe.
If there was 20 years worth of sand left that idea might be worth it
How about an excavator putting the product into a series of the machines you use to stack the mulch product? If they are 60 plus feet and there were 2 or 3, it could be dumped into the water?
That’s worth thinking about, thanks!
Would using water and gravity to wash the sand down to the dredge work?
Clay layers too hard
What about trying out a portable (self mobile) sectional conveyor belt system and a large wheel loader to move the sand down the hill?
Not a bad idea!
@@TheRealMrDiGG You may even be able to find surplus conveyors at Richie Bros Auctions for cheap? I once thought of getting a bunch of used 1 ton pickups and installing accordion conveyors on a small fleet of them for portable earth moving operations. But you know, money.
nice one
Thanks
Could you wash the sand from the top of the hill down? Couple of big pumps and water cannons would move a substantial amount of sand I’d imagine
Tried that, clay layers too thick
Could possibly pump water to the top and wash the sand down to the dredge
Tried. Clay too tough
@@TheRealMrDiGG shame that'd make for a a couple less moving parts
@Mr. DiGG your permit makes them no property tax. all those houses they see money signs. i hope all them new houses dont start causing problems' seen it before trying to pull a permit to build a deck took 3 months but 7 more empty lots got there permits to start on houses
So frustrating!!
good video
Thanks!
The builder is greasing the gears
I reckon
A pull type pan to get the dirt down to the bottom Might be cheaper that a big dozer
Dang, that’s a pretty good idea!
Mr. Digg how many years do you think you have before you run out of room or sand at the mine?
I think around ten. Guessing
Ryan, are you (and Dad and everyone concerned) aware of the different uses for different types of sand? See Wikipedia. - That fine white sand may be worth a lot more for sandblasting or as brake sand for railroads (also used when accelerating heavy trains) than as a building material. Maybe even worth bulk-shipping it to Europe (where I live). - I don't know about the purple stuff, but there's bound to be a marker for that, too! (Even if it were to create room for a landfill at that location. Meaning: if {getting rid of that sand} would cost you less than {what you charge for accepting waste}, it would contribute to your profit.)
Slopes: if slopes should (temporarily or continually) prove too steep for negotiating straight up or straight down, do remember the invention of the hairpin curves in a mountain road, and handle the slopes at angles.
This is a great comment. I’ve been looking into specialty sand uses for years now. Problem is I need more equipment to produce it. Hopefully soon I can find time to research more. We’re exhausting the mine for a low value material right now and that bugs me. Unfortunately we have to sell concrete sand right now to stay alive. Appreciate you taking the time to comment, have a great day!
@@TheRealMrDiGGYou're welcome! - You may want to do some brainstorming with "everyone involved" (Dad, your great employees, potential customers) about turning /every/ type of waste (and whatever you have, like the sand) into something useful (preferably worth paying a price for) to others. Your thoughts definitely are on the right track!
As you may have learned from Wikipedia, sand has a use in filtering water. (Here in the Netherlands, the tap water of Amsterdam has spent some time in the coastal dunes, as part of its preparation for entering the water lines.) - You have the sand, you have the water, you're considering to lower the water level. Don't merely pump the water away, it may make you money. The water currently present, but you might be in a good position to accept waste water (industrial waste water, but who knows) and upgrade it to levels of cleanness that to something of commercial value. - Again, you have bright people around you (at both locations), so encourage them (on Friday afternoons!) to think along with you. :-)
You mentioned the mine has a mind of her own. Does that make Mr. Terry the mine whisperer?
lol sure does!
Would you not move the plant?
No, not with the amount of sand left
Couldn't you pump water up and wash the sand back down to the bottom
Tried, the clay layers are so dense it just made a mess
keep up the great work
Thanks, will do!
@@TheRealMrDiGG you’re welcome
What about using an earth mover?
That would make sense
What’s the life expectancy of your sand reserves? Are we gone to run out of mining videos any time soon?
We’re good for a few more years. 👍👍
Instead of renting a d10 or d11 i would get a old school d9 would be easier to work on cause. A.) Theres no def system on it. B.) Easier to work on cause everything on it is mostly mechanical and no computerized bs. C .) Would be a excellent backup dozer for the landfill if orlandos dozer went down it has the wieght and power.
Good thinking my friend
@@TheRealMrDiGGif you are looking for a good older cat dozer talk to Clint at CC equipment
Hydraulic mining, wash sand down the hill with a big water gun on the slope. Could move part of it that way
Tried, but the clay layers are tough to cut through
Howdy Mr DiGG
Howdy tug!
Get let'sdig to bring some 'mats' and show you how to pluck the pines trees from the island?
Cool idea. Wonder if we could use the existing trees as mats?
@@TheRealMrDiGG the trees look too small to support an excavator and would get mixed into the sand you want....proper mats would support excavator and enable you not to squish the trees into the sand, which then needs to be separated. The pine trees could go to the mulch process?
Watching LetsDig18 where he decides to push material or load and dump. Would haul trucks move it faster. PUSH, CARRY OR SLIDE.
Might try it
You need to get Tony Beets to source you a gold dredge with those shovels on the front. Two birds one stone.
That would be awesome!
@@TheRealMrDiGG didn't Dirt Perfect and Let's Dig 18 just spend a holiday with him in Sweden.......need to lean on your friend network for an epic collab!!!
@@BigFella73 right?!
Or maybe could look into like some cheaper tractors with some big trailers , load w a trachoe and dump down by the dredge 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ I really have no idea just figure as many ideas ppl throw out there , diff ways to think about it 🤷🏼♂️👌🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Not a bad idea
Also if you look around there is places to lease the equipment i spoke of pull type scrapers behind tractor can still be loaded with excavator they have change out cutting edges etc and can be pushed with dozer as Needed can move massive amounts of materials and reason i said moldboard plowing verses ripping you can cover more distances at a wider stance and with scrapers your not going to pick up More than a few inches at a time for the distance your hauling anyways and will move roughly 38 yards of materials and place it where you need it with less compaction fuel and maintenance costs Will be cheaper they have the ability for good turn around speeds and can be equipped with GPS so not only a monkey can operate it but can be monitored from your office so you can see the production curves of your daily operation 1 tractor plowing and 2 tractors with 2 pull pans will move more material and place the material than what it will take 6 dozers several excavator and several dump trucks which is why you see these things on massive road jobs don't get the regular scrapers like Cat or Deere to expensive and you will want a more versatile setup you was talking about the island this is the way to move large quantities of materials to different locations and still keep your sand dredge working sure wish I lived closer to be able to show you exactly what im talking about but do research on this Ryan don't make a mistake and spend a ton of money on large dozer you won't get back your money for what your trying to accomplish
Good info as usual buddy, thank you!
You need high speed dozers. Like the landfill compactor.
Need for speed
It’s a good thing you know a guy with a c&d landfill to dispose of that plastic.
Lol
The Stacey David of sand pits!
Lol
Enjoyed it
Thanks bud
Hi Ryan why don't you wash it down with water jets you have the water all you need is pumps and jets
Clay layers too hard
How long has Mr Terry worked at atomic sand and what part does he play.send your dad up to the planning office I bet he could get the permit with one visit.
A loooooong time
same here in uk something not right all against us
Agree
get rid of those 2 little dozers and buy a big used one if cost is an issue
I agree
Honestly, I would go solar. Why tie yourself to another electric bill when all you need to do is power some office equipment? Can you outfit the dredge with underwater cameras? If my grandpa were alive, he would have jumped at the opportunity to blast that steep bank. This may sound absurd, but could a small excavator on a pontoon deck take out the pine trees?
Supposed to meet with the stupid county in the morning…….uuuuggghhhhhhh!
@@TheRealMrDiGG Good luck.
i don't understand the concept, an explanation would be helpful to those of us ignorant of the mechanics of sand production. from the outside it seems more efficient to move the sand to the final destination instead of pushing it into the water first, but you're obviously a smart guy so i'm missing something somewhere.
I’ll try to explain better in next video
@@TheRealMrDiGG you da Man
Run a couple of scrapers from the top to the bottom and let the dozers push it to the dredge.
Not sure if they could cut through the hard clay?
@@TheRealMrDiGG They can. you can also use them to sort the material. I would try a cat 637, maybe even two
I think the simplest option would be to use a couple haul trucks and a decent size hoe. It would be a lot quicker than using a big dozer to slot doze all day long.
Worth thinking about
Maybe ditch the dozers for some excavators and a couple of trucks
Cool idea
I know you talked about meeting your mining reclamation's requirements of having the finished slope at 3h:1v.....
When 'dumped free fall dirt' is pushed over the 'high wall' it'll be at a natural angle of approximate repose of 1.4h--1.6h:1v. A simple way to check the slopes without high tech survey equipment is to use a clinometer (maybe you already have one?.....Forestry Suppliers item #43830, @$195.00, the one I used everyday I worked dirt slopes on my construction jobs, sometimes didn't even have to get off the equipment.....please read the reviews for a very knowledgeable tip).
Once you learn how to use this simple tool (it's easy to learn) you'll be able to build your 3h:1v slope very accurately and quickly as well as planing future construction. Hang it around your neck every morning when you get on the job, carrying it in a shirt pocket.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks, I’ll definitely check that out!
How about you all get a couple Scrapers to move the sand they could load down hill easy !!
Clay layers too thick
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Can I buy a piece of that old plastic so I can frame it with the date and world record too. I will pay you for it
Crap, that’s a great idea. I need to save some!!
@@TheRealMrDiGG how much and where can I send the money
@TheRealMrDiGG let me how much and where to send the money. I'm old and on ssi. Thank you
Ryan why can’t you use nature to get the sand to the dredger, cut a channel down and use water to carry the sand down to the dredgers mouth, surely it would be easier and less labour intensive without the wear on the dozers
Clay layers are too tough
On a suction dredge , they use water to move sand !!!
This is true
Find a 637 Scraper
Don’t know if a scraper would cut the hard clay layers?
Instead of a huge dozer for a month, why not just pick up a slightly bigger one and keep it?
Something that can push 2-3 times as much sand as your smaller ones, and free an employee up from shoving sand to do something else, like shoving the landfill around. Economies of scale, and it saves throwing money away on a rental machine.
It's definitely a shame about the plastic from the slip and slide not being reusable, though.
Not a bad idea! Thanks
your dad looks good 4 80 .well if was a big tube buried like the water parks in summerset's ky the city has there own water park terry not dad?
Sorry what?
@@TheRealMrDiGG just visit a water park before trying again .i thought jerry was your dad.
no tunel dangerous
@@robertross804 oh I gotcha. No he’s just a buddy that runs the place for me
You should see me Mr CC equipment has anything
Good thinking