That would be pretty genius! Plus it would widely share these plotlines because the games are calling it canon when a lot of people don't know what they're saying
2 Things: 1.) 7:14 I like the detail of Sonic and Knuckes favoring extreme gears from different games(Riders 1 and Free Riders respectively) And 2.) 13:52 "Shadow would then go on to redeem himself for this little blunder by taking on Metal Overlord SOLO in Shadow Generations."
I think Silver and Blaze have met each other in the Nintendo DS version of Sonic Colors, they don’t remember meeting before but do feel familiar with each other. Then they met in Sonic Generations, so that’s twice before Forces. Afterwards, they met again in Team Sonic Racing.
23:00 people complain about this moment but Sonic knew metal didn’t know where Eggman was. The fact that starlone was in the picture was not on his radar. So this is a valid thing to do honestly
I think complain about the interaction and dialogue Sonic has in this moment not the action… or at least that’s my issue with it Plus correct me if I’m wrong but if Sonic and tails knew that he was reprogrammed to obey eggman no matter what they probably should’ve did something about that instead of Sonic trying to “give him a choice” (which he’s not in the right to do so imo) knowing damn well he doesn’t have one 😵💫
@@LocalTrapTV Just like Omega, Gamma and other robot characters, they have their own consciousness, feelings, as if they were a new life form, so yes, he had a choice.
The mandates for Shadow say: -He has no friends. Team Dark are not his friends either, but they're more than just co-workers to him. When it comes to team ups, he prefers Rouge & Omega out of everyone because they don't question his methods. -Shadow is a non-conversationilst. So he doesn't express his opinions or thoughts, he just acts. But he can explain himself when it makes sense to demonstrate his pragmatism & calculative side. -Shadow's pride is not meant to be a form of ego-tripping. From his pov, it's a non-judgemental fact that reflects reality because 99 out of 100 times, he's actually as good as he says he is. -Shadow is not a comedic character. -This one is kinda depends on the situation, but he's not allowed to remove his limiter rings. Shadow's writing in early IDW is a result of a lack of communication between Sega & the IDW writers. Mostly Ian Flynn seems to struggle with writing him within these guidelines. To the point he just stopped writing for Shadow altogether. Later on, the writing improves due to multiple reasons like Sega making the mandates more clear so the writers can fully understand Sega's Shadow & the other writers seem to have gained a better understanding of Shadow as a character & what Sega wants. Although some people will just blame all & any bad writing on the mandates. Rather than being critical of the work.
Yea his representation definitely is a fumble on both ends cuz I don’t see how any of the actions he takes in this arc achieves anything that Sega has visioned for the character, mandates or not it was just BAD 😂
One of the major points of Sonic's philosophy is that people should have the freedom to choose the right thing. He wants Metal to be a good guy so he offered a truce, but at the end of the day it's his freedom and he chose to keep being a bitch. If Metal starts shit, Sonic is gonna beat him up again and give him the same opportunity (If Metal doesn't end up totally destroyed). He does this with Eggman too btw. It's not actually portrayed as a GOOD thing he's doing, it's just how he rolls, and I kinda respect it. This mentality does get criticized later in the series if you're into that.
@@TheBaldingPied for sure but I feel like he would let him come to that decision without trying to persuade him with peace or with a truce. Doesn’t really fit his style
Hey Local, I don't know if you'll see this but I've been loving your reaction to the idw comics. It's fun seeing someone with actually interesting things to say and jokes to make instead of the bland stuff I usually see on TH-cam. It kinda inspires me to want to make comics for people to enjoy reacting to, if that makes sense. (I do writing for fun lol) I'm really excited to see your thoughts on the metal virus saga! It's a personal favorite of mine ngl. Thought I'd write this comment before continuing the binge. Hope the rest of the year is good to you man!
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14:56 As far as I remember, Master Overlord can perform Chaos Control against Super Sonic in Heroes so I wouldn't doubt it As for Sonic sparing Metal, it comes off weird since it makes Sonic look stupid. When I first read I just took it as him making that call since the Mr. Tinker situation was already dealt with at that moment though I also have mixed feelings with it because freedom forced upon you is no freedom at all
Well yea he had already copied shadow’s bio data before that boss fight but we never seen him do it while in overlord form. And yes I completely agree especially after watching ahead on stream past this arc it gets a lil stale after a while because it doesn’t really seem to lead up to anything almost like it’s a “this is just how Sonic always is” kinda of thing and it stinks 😂 luckily everything else about his character is good but man 😵💫
@@LocalTrapTV while yes he is an evil robot so were gemerel and omega and he 's not forcing him. He took metals weapons and to them eggman's still reformed.
I feel like the complain of "Sonic never tried to change people's way of living in the past" is blown out of proportion, because he has told people how to live their lives in the past like every interaction he has with Elise in 06 is exactly like that.
No he gave advice to ppl who needed it and never gave it out to someone who was an enemy to him like he does in the comics it’s not the same. Usually when Sonic would drop lines like “if you have time to worry then run” (which he tells to Elise) he’s not only telling that to the character(s) in game but to the audience that’s playing the game as well. I can list other examples of this and non of them are equivalent to what he does here with Metal. Hell even in heroes his interaction with Metal was wayyy more on brand than this
@@patosostenido7141 is an enemy*. someone who is actively opposing him. Merlin’s was already defeated when he dropped his dime on her. Even then he still didn’t try to offer peace to her or want a truce or whatever because that’s not the narrative is trying to push. Which is why I’m constantly asking what does Sonic reaching out to Metal here do for the narrative and/or characters in the series/comic? Is there a lesson trying to be told here? What does this DO lmao
@@LocalTrapTVWhy does there need to be a lesson? Why can't that just be something Sonic does? Most of Sonic's friends have tried to kill him at least once so I don't really see the guy seeing much of a divide when it comes to friend and foe. As for the narrative purpose, you'll just have to be patient for that, Sonic's attitude towards Metal Sonic is building on something you won't see for a good long while.
He believes this is the most logical path ahead because not only was Eggman not himself anymore since he would be Mr. Tinker but no in the Eggman Empire knew where he even was in the first place, even Neo Metal Sonic admitted that his whereabouts were unknown the entire time. Without the Doctor to fix his impressive creation, not to mention that Metal Sonic solely follows the Eggman Empire seriously, he would have no other reason to play this song and dance without these other factors, not to mention that his weapon system was deactivated which he only wanted Eggman to repair for him. Of course, Sonic didn't know about Starline, and even more, doesn't yet know about Eggman's return. Another thing is that he isn't telling him to be the good guy here either, he enjoys the thrill of adventure and fighting Metal Sonic is a close enough fight for him since everyone else is mostly his friend so he can dish out as much on Metal Sonic as he wants to. As you already shown, he even said it word by word to Metal at the end of Sonic Heroes, acknowledging he is a tough opponent that he enjoys fighting against. Does this make him selfish, of course, he isn't perfect by all means. Sonic may be a hero throughout the world be he himself believes in living freely by the wind, for himself and others as well, and wanting to feel the thrill of it as well which Metal brings in even in this scenario.@@LocalTrapTV
I understand what he’s trying to do but I don’t think Sonic would take that approach based on what he was done prior. Like I can’t speak on emerl cuz I only played a lil bit of Sonic battle but he doesn’t even interact with omega in the mainline games so to my knowledge this is the first time Sonic has ever done this. Yea he has helped out characters time and time again which is why I fw them it leaving metal to just rust but trying to sway metal into a life of peace isn’t something Sonic would do imo
@@LocalTrapTV He’s never done it himself before, sure. Maybe because he’s seen it happen to others he wanted to give Metal the same chance. Even Amy was able to change Gamma in SA1 and stop Sonic from killing him. So Sonic is learning from others as he goes. The real problem was he didn’t count on Starline bringing Eggman back and thought he’d be gone long enough for Metal to change.
He already gave Metal “a chance” at the end of heroes lol he did try to kill him but instead told him why he lost and if he wants a rematch he’ll be ready. These long spills about making truce and what not is irrelevant I feel
@@LocalTrapTV True, could be because Eggman was still around at that time and reprogrammed Metal for later uses. But believing Eggman was gone now, he thought Metal could change. But we know of course he was wrong because Starline brought him back. Maybe if Sonic knew about Starline, he would’ve tried a different method with Metal and try to save Mr. Tinker before it was too late.
I guess I can agree that Sonic's dialogue towards Metal when giving him another chance to change could've been better, but I also don't think it's fair to assume how he would or should behave given the unique circumstances. This is the first time Eggman's ever been (as far as he knew) definitively out of the picture- I can't blame the guy for actin a lil different. But I will say that you probs won't like this element of Ian's writing going forward- I mean for the most part things are fine but there is one specific scenario down the line you might not enjoy 🤷♂ but idk I'm kinda numb to these kinds of things. Just gonna keep lookin forward to Shadow Gens!!
Fasho with me it’s also the fact that he knew Metal was reprogramed to be loyal to eggman against his free will, regardless of if eggman was eggman or Mr. Tinker. Whole scene just seemed a bit sloppy to me outside of the dialogue. And yes Shadow Gens is gonna be PEAKK
Shadow Generations can kinda explain why Shadow is so confident fighting Neo Metal on his own, he fights Metal Overlord on his own, and IDW takes place after Generations so it kinda makes sense that from his pov, he'd be able to take out a less powerful form of Metal on his own *I know the real reason is strict mandates and bad writing decisions but let me headcannon an explanation* 😭🙏
Idk why people hate on Shadow so hard here, Sonic and Knuckles were not winning that fight and it was pretty obvious Metal wasn't even taking them seriously, if Shadow hadn't shown up and Metal decided to lock in they would've been a red paste on the ground
Well yea and that was cool asf but also proceeds to give Metal what he needed and then proceeds to be an asshole 😂 (still don’t know what he was doing before he snuck Metal too)
@@LocalTrapTV He gave Metal what he needed just by being there, it was literally either they die or Metal transforms it was a lose lose with one of the two options having a chance of victory lol
@@Just_Red_ yea but it’s insinuated that through taking a certain amount of damage he’s able to use copy so Shadow ODing on him was pointless. They could of just written it better to make him not look like an arrogant dumbass lol
I seriously can’t stand see shadow like this sega made shadow like vageta and I hate that shadow has friends and he works with them he doesn’t have a massive ego and he’s not edgy or a jerk
Please I Wish they stop this Every time Blaze is there Silver has to be right next to her their not a couple and never will be. Let Blaze be her own character not a sidekick.
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They should make an anime where they adapt the IDW comics ngl
A NEED not a want cuz bruh imagine how sick it would be
That would be pretty genius! Plus it would widely share these plotlines because the games are calling it canon when a lot of people don't know what they're saying
But it would need a great director to translate better
@@ZenithintheMaking facts
Somebody's doing that right now. It's called *"Sonic Rebound"* and they're 6 episodes in so far
2 Things:
1.) 7:14
I like the detail of Sonic and Knuckes favoring extreme gears from different games(Riders 1 and Free Riders respectively)
And 2.) 13:52
"Shadow would then go on to redeem himself for this little blunder by taking on Metal Overlord SOLO in Shadow Generations."
Metal virus arc arguably one of THE BEST sonic stories ever by the way
I think Silver and Blaze have met each other in the Nintendo DS version of Sonic Colors, they don’t remember meeting before but do feel familiar with each other. Then they met in Sonic Generations, so that’s twice before Forces. Afterwards, they met again in Team Sonic Racing.
“Everything is canon” 🫨🫨🫨
23:00 people complain about this moment but Sonic knew metal didn’t know where Eggman was. The fact that starlone was in the picture was not on his radar. So this is a valid thing to do honestly
I think complain about the interaction and dialogue Sonic has in this moment not the action… or at least that’s my issue with it
Plus correct me if I’m wrong but if Sonic and tails knew that he was reprogrammed to obey eggman no matter what they probably should’ve did something about that instead of Sonic trying to “give him a choice” (which he’s not in the right to do so imo) knowing damn well he doesn’t have one 😵💫
@@LocalTrapTV Just like Omega, Gamma and other robot characters, they have their own consciousness, feelings, as if they were a new life form, so yes, he had a choice.
The mandates for Shadow say:
-He has no friends. Team Dark are not his friends either, but they're more than just co-workers to him. When it comes to team ups, he prefers Rouge & Omega out of everyone because they don't question his methods.
-Shadow is a non-conversationilst. So he doesn't express his opinions or thoughts, he just acts. But he can explain himself when it makes sense to demonstrate his pragmatism & calculative side.
-Shadow's pride is not meant to be a form of ego-tripping. From his pov, it's a non-judgemental fact that reflects reality because 99 out of 100 times, he's actually as good as he says he is.
-Shadow is not a comedic character.
-This one is kinda depends on the situation, but he's not allowed to remove his limiter rings.
Shadow's writing in early IDW is a result of a lack of communication between Sega & the IDW writers. Mostly Ian Flynn seems to struggle with writing him within these guidelines. To the point he just stopped writing for Shadow altogether.
Later on, the writing improves due to multiple reasons like Sega making the mandates more clear so the writers can fully understand Sega's Shadow & the other writers seem to have gained a better understanding of Shadow as a character & what Sega wants.
Although some people will just blame all & any bad writing on the mandates. Rather than being critical of the work.
Yea his representation definitely is a fumble on both ends cuz I don’t see how any of the actions he takes in this arc achieves anything that Sega has visioned for the character, mandates or not it was just BAD 😂
@@LocalTrapTVYh, mandates are just guidelines. It all depends on the execution lol
@@1999bazz facts
One of the major points of Sonic's philosophy is that people should have the freedom to choose the right thing. He wants Metal to be a good guy so he offered a truce, but at the end of the day it's his freedom and he chose to keep being a bitch. If Metal starts shit, Sonic is gonna beat him up again and give him the same opportunity (If Metal doesn't end up totally destroyed). He does this with Eggman too btw. It's not actually portrayed as a GOOD thing he's doing, it's just how he rolls, and I kinda respect it. This mentality does get criticized later in the series if you're into that.
But why does he want Metal to be good tho it shouldn't matter to him cuz like you said at the end of the day he’s gonna do what he gotta do so… why?
@@LocalTrapTV I think he'd just prefer if metal stopped trying to kill him on sight.
@@TheBaldingPied for sure but I feel like he would let him come to that decision without trying to persuade him with peace or with a truce. Doesn’t really fit his style
Can't wait for you to react to the next saga. Even now it's still considered the best of the IDW series.
Hey Local, I don't know if you'll see this but I've been loving your reaction to the idw comics. It's fun seeing someone with actually interesting things to say and jokes to make instead of the bland stuff I usually see on TH-cam. It kinda inspires me to want to make comics for people to enjoy reacting to, if that makes sense. (I do writing for fun lol)
I'm really excited to see your thoughts on the metal virus saga! It's a personal favorite of mine ngl. Thought I'd write this comment before continuing the binge. Hope the rest of the year is good to you man!
I see you brethren and I want you to know that this comment made my fucking day 🙂↕️ stay blessed and I hope you continue with your passion for writing 🫡💯
I never noticed how often a character will say "Wow that's so like you Shadow" in this arc
It’s so cringe like please stop endorsing this 😂😂
Niceee, next I await the Metal Virus Arc
14:56 As far as I remember, Master Overlord can perform Chaos Control against Super Sonic in Heroes so I wouldn't doubt it
As for Sonic sparing Metal, it comes off weird since it makes Sonic look stupid. When I first read I just took it as him making that call since the Mr. Tinker situation was already dealt with at that moment though I also have mixed feelings with it because freedom forced upon you is no freedom at all
Well yea he had already copied shadow’s bio data before that boss fight but we never seen him do it while in overlord form.
And yes I completely agree especially after watching ahead on stream past this arc it gets a lil stale after a while because it doesn’t really seem to lead up to anything almost like it’s a “this is just how Sonic always is” kinda of thing and it stinks 😂 luckily everything else about his character is good but man 😵💫
@@LocalTrapTV while yes he is an evil robot so were gemerel and omega and he 's not forcing him. He took metals weapons and to them eggman's still reformed.
I feel like the complain of "Sonic never tried to change people's way of living in the past" is blown out of proportion, because he has told people how to live their lives in the past like every interaction he has with Elise in 06 is exactly like that.
No he gave advice to ppl who needed it and never gave it out to someone who was an enemy to him like he does in the comics it’s not the same. Usually when Sonic would drop lines like “if you have time to worry then run” (which he tells to Elise) he’s not only telling that to the character(s) in game but to the audience that’s playing the game as well. I can list other examples of this and non of them are equivalent to what he does here with Metal. Hell even in heroes his interaction with Metal was wayyy more on brand than this
@@LocalTrapTV Never to anyone who was an enemy? Merlina?
@@patosostenido7141 is an enemy*. someone who is actively opposing him. Merlin’s was already defeated when he dropped his dime on her. Even then he still didn’t try to offer peace to her or want a truce or whatever because that’s not the narrative is trying to push. Which is why I’m constantly asking what does Sonic reaching out to Metal here do for the narrative and/or characters in the series/comic? Is there a lesson trying to be told here? What does this DO lmao
@@LocalTrapTVWhy does there need to be a lesson? Why can't that just be something Sonic does?
Most of Sonic's friends have tried to kill him at least once so I don't really see the guy seeing much of a divide when it comes to friend and foe.
As for the narrative purpose, you'll just have to be patient for that, Sonic's attitude towards Metal Sonic is building on something you won't see for a good long while.
He believes this is the most logical path ahead because not only was Eggman not himself anymore since he would be Mr. Tinker but no in the Eggman Empire knew where he even was in the first place, even Neo Metal Sonic admitted that his whereabouts were unknown the entire time. Without the Doctor to fix his impressive creation, not to mention that Metal Sonic solely follows the Eggman Empire seriously, he would have no other reason to play this song and dance without these other factors, not to mention that his weapon system was deactivated which he only wanted Eggman to repair for him. Of course, Sonic didn't know about Starline, and even more, doesn't yet know about Eggman's return. Another thing is that he isn't telling him to be the good guy here either, he enjoys the thrill of adventure and fighting Metal Sonic is a close enough fight for him since everyone else is mostly his friend so he can dish out as much on Metal Sonic as he wants to. As you already shown, he even said it word by word to Metal at the end of Sonic Heroes, acknowledging he is a tough opponent that he enjoys fighting against. Does this make him selfish, of course, he isn't perfect by all means. Sonic may be a hero throughout the world be he himself believes in living freely by the wind, for himself and others as well, and wanting to feel the thrill of it as well which Metal brings in even in this scenario.@@LocalTrapTV
If Sonic would have eggman to join the good side and metal Sonic they would have totally could have won if they had a chance
Yeah the covers tend to spoil pretty heavily sooo 😭
Hit my ass with the super neo metal jumpscare like bruh 😭😭
Will you react to Tangel and Whisper mini series ??
YUP can’t wait for yall to see my reaction to that 🔥
sonic has no idea for what will happen🥶
Sonic was hoping Metal Sonic could end up like Omega, Emerl and Gemerl, he knows evil robots can change and extend the same curtesy to Metal.
I understand what he’s trying to do but I don’t think Sonic would take that approach based on what he was done prior. Like I can’t speak on emerl cuz I only played a lil bit of Sonic battle but he doesn’t even interact with omega in the mainline games so to my knowledge this is the first time Sonic has ever done this. Yea he has helped out characters time and time again which is why I fw them it leaving metal to just rust but trying to sway metal into a life of peace isn’t something Sonic would do imo
@@LocalTrapTV He’s never done it himself before, sure. Maybe because he’s seen it happen to others he wanted to give Metal the same chance. Even Amy was able to change Gamma in SA1 and stop Sonic from killing him. So Sonic is learning from others as he goes.
The real problem was he didn’t count on Starline bringing Eggman back and thought he’d be gone long enough for Metal to change.
He already gave Metal “a chance” at the end of heroes lol he did try to kill him but instead told him why he lost and if he wants a rematch he’ll be ready. These long spills about making truce and what not is irrelevant I feel
@@LocalTrapTV True, could be because Eggman was still around at that time and reprogrammed Metal for later uses.
But believing Eggman was gone now, he thought Metal could change. But we know of course he was wrong because Starline brought him back.
Maybe if Sonic knew about Starline, he would’ve tried a different method with Metal and try to save Mr. Tinker before it was too late.
I guess I can agree that Sonic's dialogue towards Metal when giving him another chance to change could've been better, but I also don't think it's fair to assume how he would or should behave given the unique circumstances. This is the first time Eggman's ever been (as far as he knew) definitively out of the picture- I can't blame the guy for actin a lil different. But I will say that you probs won't like this element of Ian's writing going forward- I mean for the most part things are fine but there is one specific scenario down the line you might not enjoy 🤷♂ but idk I'm kinda numb to these kinds of things. Just gonna keep lookin forward to Shadow Gens!!
Fasho with me it’s also the fact that he knew Metal was reprogramed to be loyal to eggman against his free will, regardless of if eggman was eggman or Mr. Tinker. Whole scene just seemed a bit sloppy to me outside of the dialogue.
And yes Shadow Gens is gonna be PEAKK
Shadow pulled up to get bodied lmao
Shadow Generations can kinda explain why Shadow is so confident fighting Neo Metal on his own, he fights Metal Overlord on his own, and IDW takes place after Generations so it kinda makes sense that from his pov, he'd be able to take out a less powerful form of Metal on his own
*I know the real reason is strict mandates and bad writing decisions but let me headcannon an explanation* 😭🙏
YES, onto the Metal virus we go 🎉
Idk why people hate on Shadow so hard here, Sonic and Knuckles were not winning that fight and it was pretty obvious Metal wasn't even taking them seriously, if Shadow hadn't shown up and Metal decided to lock in they would've been a red paste on the ground
Well yea and that was cool asf but also proceeds to give Metal what he needed and then proceeds to be an asshole 😂 (still don’t know what he was doing before he snuck Metal too)
@@LocalTrapTV He gave Metal what he needed just by being there, it was literally either they die or Metal transforms it was a lose lose with one of the two options having a chance of victory lol
@@Just_Red_ yea but it’s insinuated that through taking a certain amount of damage he’s able to use copy so Shadow ODing on him was pointless. They could of just written it better to make him not look like an arrogant dumbass lol
13:46 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I hope you get to the metal virus Ark
He already did he just got to upload it
silvers so cool 😭
YOOOOO
27:30 multiverse???
I seriously can’t stand see shadow like this sega made shadow like vageta and I hate that shadow has friends and he works with them he doesn’t have a massive ego and he’s not edgy or a jerk
Yea man it sucks but I feel like we getting a great iteration of shadow in Sonic X Shadow Gens 🤞🏽
@@LocalTrapTV yeah I’m glad that sega has rewritten shadows personality because he’s acting like his old self again like fromSA2 06 and prime
ian flynn my goat
He does indeed know ball
No Cap
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Earlyyy
Please I Wish they stop this Every time Blaze is there Silver has to be right next to her their not a couple and never will be. Let Blaze be her own character not a sidekick.
I don’t think that’s what they’re implying here 😂
Can’t you just please stop talking on the same time as Tails
I’m good