I would deem it more sensible to describe the finale as a rondo. It does not make much sense to speak of an exposition with repeat, since the second theme is each time in a different key (first in Bb minor, then in D minor). Maybe something like this: Introduction-A-B-A-B'-C-A'(fragment)-B''(fragment)-Coda Cheers!
Movement IV is better described as Sonata Ronda Form than Sonata Form because of the repetitive theme 1(Primary Space). Overall form of the IV can be concluded as this: [A B AC B AC] [Development] [A Coda], for AC is the primary space of sonata form, and B is the secondary space. It's possible for rondo sonata form to have three times repeat of the primary space in exposition, but it's simply not possible for primary space to be repeated in exposition of sonata form.
I was so glad to find the wonderful recordings of the 4th, 5th and 6th Symphonies of Tchaikovsky conducted by the maestro (I use not the word lightly) Mravinski. In dedicating the symphony to his widowed lady patron, he started his middle age free from financial concerns.
Thank you from a great fan of Tchaikovsky and Mravinsky! If only the recording quality was as good as the performance, it would be the icing on the cake.
*Часть I* Сонатная форма Вступление - 0:05 Главная партия - 1:27 Побочная партия - 5:21 Заключительная партия - 6:28 Разработка - 9:04 Реприза, Главная партия - 12:32 Реприза, Побочная партия - 13:05 Реприза, Заключительная партия - 14:15 Кода - 16:12 *Часть II* Сложная трехчастная форма (с двойной двухчастностью в 1-й части) Первая часть A - 18:45 Средняя часть C - 22:35 Реприза A - 24:15 Кода - 26:49 *Часть III. Скерцо* Сложная трехчастная форма Первая часть A - 28:04 Средняя часть C - 29:49 Реприза A - 31:14 Кода - 32:57 *Часть IV. Финал* Рондо ABARA Вступление - 33:53 Рефрен А - 34:34 Эпизод В - 35:17 Рефрен A(1) - 36:43 Разработка - 37:27 Рефрен A(2) (Кода) - 40:00
12:33 - Listen to the phrasing 17:12 - Again just listen to the phrasing 38:25 - Wow the strings and woodwinds are playing so fast and the brass is playing like the fate of the world rests on them
I absolutely love this interpretation of the first movement. Sometimes it feels too dainty, like the brass are too concerned with perfect intonation and rounded tone. I think the brass here absolutely nailed the opening of the piece to Tchaikovsky’s liking. The tempo, phrasing, and dynamics convey emotion so powerfully, and the vast contrast in dynamics, tone, and emotion is extremely apparent in this recording. The recording quality unfortunately takes away some of the amazing-ness of this performance, but it’s still great nonetheless.
If you find this recording on its own then the quality is great, the video is using a lower quality version for some reason. Just search "Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra Tchaikovsky 4th Symphony" or something like that and it should pop up.
36:34 Score error 2: m. 111: The bassoons are supposed to have the exact same part as the oboes and clarinets. That somehow went missing, and that has also affected the bassoon parts from the Brucknerverlag version.
@@jacobbaker5442 There was more freedom in the Soviet Union than in your glorious America. Freedom of speech is the freedom to agree with today's woke nonsense, not the freedom to have your own opinion.
18:48 If anyone is wondering, its a bit rubato/free tempo because the conductor beats on the downbeats depending on the speed the soloist/cellists play but its around 132 = eighth note although the soloists and cellists add pauses so it wont be perfectly intime with a metronome
Anyone else who just cannot hear or play the passage from bar 177 (8:29) to 193 without turning around the beat (so that the beat start to feel like the third 8th note) into the Beeth.7 rhythm?
Tchaikovsky is said to have composed this in the aftermath of his failed marriage. Could all that brass and kettledrum, "fate", be the memory of his being screamed at, and constantly berated?
La fanfarria del principio es trasladada de las trompas a las trompetas, con lo cual se recrea un tema de juicio. Seguidamente hay otro tema melódico, que consta de 4 notas y de 7, con algún cromatismo lo cual le otorga un carácter patético; éste se desarrolla para desembocar en un final fa mayor. Más lento aparece otro tema nuevo, también con cromatismos pero más pausado. Los timbales rubrican la melodía con golpes de si b - fa. Grupos de 5 notas cromáticas en diálogo crean un ambiente de calma. Pero esta nueva melodía está salpicada con la anterior. Reaparece la fanfarria del juicio, contestada por diseños de la melodía pricipal. La anfarria va modulando en distintos diseños orquestales hasta que culmina en tutti. Se vuelve al segundo tema repitiéndolo de forma literal. Conversan las cuerdas con las maderas. Se repite la fanfarria pero al revés:trompetas trompas. La coda eleva un tema nuevo. Después el primero finaliza brillantemente el movimiento. Al tema del oboe le sigue la cuerda grave. Luego hay una idea melódica ascendente. Se repite la melodía, pero esta vez con un contrapunto de la flauta. Otro tema aparece en un esperanzador fa mayor. Tras un clímax la música se desvanece, con figuraciones rápidas cromáticas. Los violoncellos en solo elabora nuevas figuractenes. Al final es el fagot quien canta la melodía. En el tercer movimiento hay un pizzicato obstinato. El segundo tema en la mayor corre a cargo de la maderea. Las tropas enuncian una figutación más dinámica. Con la repetición del pizzicato termina el movimiento. En el cuarto movimiento 4 notas están seguidas por una figuación de semicorcheas. El tema cambia a menor en el oboe hasta que se llega a un tutti. Le sigue un pasaje fugado. Se reexpone el primer tema. El segundo tema está en los violines con contrapunto de la madera hasta que llega de improviso la fanfarria del primer movimiento; En un positivo fa mayor, la música se encamina a una drandiosa coda. 😊 😊 ❤
MOVEMENT I (Sonata Form)
(Note how the fate motif anounces each section of the sonata form)
00:05 - *EXPOSITION:*
00:05 - Fate Motif (Introduction)
01:38 - Theme1
02:39 - Transition Theme (By fragmenting Theme 1)
03:58 - More Transition Material
04:42 - Theme 2
06:37 - Fragments of Theme 1
07:57 - Coda of the Exposition
09:04 - *DEVELOPMENT SECTION:*
09:04 - Fate Motif
10:06 - Theme 1
11:30 - Fate Motif
11:47 - Fate Motif
12:20 - Fate Motif
12:32 - *RECAPITULATION*
12:32 - Theme 1 Reduced
13:06 - Theme 2 Extended
15:40 - Coda Theme
16:13 - *CODA*
16:13 - Fate Motif
17:13 - Coda
18:10 - Theme 1 Dramatic
18:30 - End
MOVEMENT II (Ternary Form)
18:46 - *SECTION A*
18:46 - Theme A
20:30 - Rising Theme
21:08 - Theme
22:07 - Rising Theme
22:35 - *SECTION B*
24:16 - *SECTION A*
26:49 - Oboe Solo
27:28 - Coda
MOVEMENT III (Scherzo and Trio)
28:04 - *SCHERZO*
29:49 - *TRIO*
31:14 - *SCHERZO*
32:58 - Coda
MOVEMENT IV (Sonata Form with no development)
33:53 - Opening
34:05 - Small insight of the Theme 2
34:35 - *EXPOSITION:* (With Repeat)
34:46 - Theme 1
34:59 - Transition
35:18 - Theme 2
36:55 - Theme 1
37:09 - Transition
37:28 - Theme 2
38:44 - *FATE MOTIF*
40:03 - Theme 1
40:38 - *RECAPITULATION*
40:49 - Theme
41:05 - Theme 2
41:14 - *CODA*
I would deem it more sensible to describe the finale as a rondo. It does not make much sense to speak of an exposition with repeat, since the second theme is each time in a different key (first in Bb minor, then in D minor). Maybe something like this:
Introduction-A-B-A-B'-C-A'(fragment)-B''(fragment)-Coda
Cheers!
Thanks for the stamps(!)
Esclarecedor.
Movement IV is better described as Sonata Ronda Form than Sonata Form because of the repetitive theme 1(Primary Space). Overall form of the IV can be concluded as this: [A B AC B AC] [Development] [A Coda], for AC is the primary space of sonata form, and B is the secondary space. It's possible for rondo sonata form to have three times repeat of the primary space in exposition, but it's simply not possible for primary space to be repeated in exposition of sonata form.
@@mrtchaikovsky Simple Rondo Form can not describe the developmental character of this piece. Sonata Rondo form is probably the best choice here.
One of my favorite symphonies ever.
The second movement is absolutely gorgeous.
Ok.
@@ValzainLumivix 🤓
Fourth movement puts a smile on my face.
35:53 is so insane I love it
Literally my favorite part of the entire symphony
i hate playing that part as a second violin though 😭 it does sound fun however
Nah i think 38:25 or 12:33
Agree.
I was so glad to find the wonderful recordings of the 4th, 5th and 6th Symphonies of Tchaikovsky conducted by the maestro (I use not the word lightly) Mravinski.
In dedicating the symphony to his widowed lady patron, he started his middle age free from financial concerns.
Thank you from a great fan of Tchaikovsky and Mravinsky! If only the recording quality was as good as the performance, it would be the icing on the cake.
ai will solve that problem soon.
I FINALLY FOUND IT OMFL IVE LOOKIN FOR THIS PEICE FOR SO LONG
Thank you. What a thrill to follow the score in this amazing work! A favorite of mine going back to the year 1975 when I was 12.
*Часть I*
Сонатная форма
Вступление - 0:05
Главная партия - 1:27
Побочная партия - 5:21
Заключительная партия - 6:28
Разработка - 9:04
Реприза, Главная партия - 12:32
Реприза, Побочная партия - 13:05
Реприза, Заключительная партия - 14:15
Кода - 16:12
*Часть II*
Сложная трехчастная форма (с двойной двухчастностью в 1-й части)
Первая часть A - 18:45
Средняя часть C - 22:35
Реприза A - 24:15
Кода - 26:49
*Часть III. Скерцо*
Сложная трехчастная форма
Первая часть A - 28:04
Средняя часть C - 29:49
Реприза A - 31:14
Кода - 32:57
*Часть IV. Финал*
Рондо ABARA
Вступление - 33:53
Рефрен А - 34:34
Эпизод В - 35:17
Рефрен A(1) - 36:43
Разработка - 37:27
Рефрен A(2) (Кода) - 40:00
12:33 - Listen to the phrasing
17:12 - Again just listen to the phrasing
38:25 - Wow the strings and woodwinds are playing so fast and the brass is playing like the fate of the world rests on them
So excited to see my local symphony perform this work in mid-June! 🎵🎶🎷🎹🎺🎻🥁🎶🎵
I absolutely love this interpretation of the first movement. Sometimes it feels too dainty, like the brass are too concerned with perfect intonation and rounded tone. I think the brass here absolutely nailed the opening of the piece to Tchaikovsky’s liking. The tempo, phrasing, and dynamics convey emotion so powerfully, and the vast contrast in dynamics, tone, and emotion is extremely apparent in this recording. The recording quality unfortunately takes away some of the amazing-ness of this performance, but it’s still great nonetheless.
If you find this recording on its own then the quality is great, the video is using a lower quality version for some reason. Just search "Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra Tchaikovsky 4th Symphony" or something like that and it should pop up.
me too
0:49 c 3:23 e 4:43 三枚目転調 6:31 H 7:42 i 8:12 L9:23 m9:48 n 10:21 o 10:55 p11:31 q 12:11 r13:53 s15:01
t15:28u16:14 v16:35 リピート17:13
2楽章19:17 b21:05 tempo1 24:01
3楽章 28:07
最後33:53 35 34:46 b35:18 三枚目35:54 c36:05 e37:29 2段目くらい38:29 3/4 38:45
テンポ1 40:09 p19 40:39 271 41:09
36:34 Score error 2:
m. 111: The bassoons are supposed to have the exact same part as the oboes and clarinets. That somehow went missing, and that has also affected the bassoon parts from the Brucknerverlag version.
Horns play like they are under the gunpoint
They probably were it's Leningrad
Fr though
@@jacobbaker5442 There was more freedom in the Soviet Union than in your glorious America. Freedom of speech is the freedom to agree with today's woke nonsense, not the freedom to have your own opinion.
@@somebody9033 shut up nigga
What
The most perfect rendition I’ve heard! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
24:40 Score error 1:
An extra 100 was added to the measure numbers and affects the rest of the movement.
The last 9 bars sends chills up my spine even after hearing it over 1,000 times!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
What an incredible thrill ride!
18:48 If anyone is wondering, its a bit rubato/free tempo because the conductor beats on the downbeats depending on the speed the soloist/cellists play but its around 132 = eighth note although the soloists and cellists add pauses so it wont be perfectly intime with a metronome
bassoon solo - 1st mvt 13:05 2nd mvt - 26:38
bassoon excerpt - 4:35
This is one of my favorite symphonies ❤
Anyone else who just cannot hear or play the passage from bar 177 (8:29) to 193 without turning around the beat (so that the beat start to feel like the third 8th note) into the Beeth.7 rhythm?
Same! I guess you have to just roll with it...
@@levandornis6665 until you have to play it and you can't find the downbeat...
Tchaikovsky is said to have composed this in the aftermath of his failed marriage. Could all that brass and kettledrum, "fate", be the memory of his being screamed at, and constantly berated?
Bravo za note.
time stamps for myself
8:01 - intonation
8:29 - rhythm
7:40 to 9:06
34:03 - 34:05, you're wellcome! #WYWH #PF
Viola except 21:06
This should be fun
It was fun
34:35 excerpt 1
35:56 excerpt 2
The best no. 4 ❤
Increíble como influenció la música de rachmaninoff
And disciplinary remains mercifully
Hey those horns
really have bite !!!! 😮
7:40 excerpt
1:27 for ref
Trumpets are excited
Does the first movement have harder hitting than the Finale?
Been too long since last time I heard this
Awsome !!!
1. 7:35
2. 12:00
3. 17:35
4. 21:05
5. 35:50
21:04 2 часть
29:56 3 часть
37:28 4 часть
IT IS SOOOO ❤
41:02 tom and jerry opening
эта симфония невероятно оригинальна.
donde encuntro solo la parte de cello?
Excerpt 4 : 17:11
Excerpt 1: 7:40
1:27
14:15 timpani excerpt 313
15:23 2 measures before T
Rehearsal S 14:57
37:32 letter E
for myself (this is my audition music lol)
8:12
3:31 to 3:51
Please, not "(со счётом)" - it's wrong. Only "(с партитурой)" - it's true.
Tuba Excerpt 40:48
violin excerpt: 34:36
17:13 molto più mosso
34:34 finale A
La fanfarria del principio es trasladada de las trompas a las trompetas, con lo cual se recrea un tema de juicio. Seguidamente hay otro tema melódico, que consta de 4 notas y de 7, con algún cromatismo lo cual le otorga un carácter patético; éste se desarrolla para desembocar en un final fa mayor. Más lento aparece otro tema nuevo, también con cromatismos pero más pausado. Los timbales rubrican la melodía con golpes de si b - fa. Grupos de 5 notas cromáticas en diálogo crean un ambiente de calma. Pero esta nueva melodía está salpicada con la anterior. Reaparece la fanfarria del juicio, contestada por diseños de la melodía pricipal. La anfarria va modulando en distintos diseños orquestales hasta que culmina en tutti. Se vuelve al segundo tema repitiéndolo de forma literal. Conversan las cuerdas con las maderas. Se repite la fanfarria pero al revés:trompetas trompas. La coda eleva un tema nuevo. Después el primero finaliza brillantemente el movimiento. Al tema del oboe le sigue la cuerda grave. Luego hay una idea melódica ascendente. Se repite la melodía, pero esta vez con un contrapunto de la flauta. Otro tema aparece en un esperanzador fa mayor. Tras un clímax la música se desvanece, con figuraciones rápidas cromáticas. Los violoncellos en solo elabora nuevas figuractenes. Al final es el fagot quien canta la melodía. En el tercer movimiento hay un pizzicato obstinato. El segundo tema en la mayor corre a cargo de la maderea. Las tropas enuncian una figutación más dinámica. Con la repetición del pizzicato termina el movimiento. En el cuarto movimiento 4 notas están seguidas por una figuación de semicorcheas. El tema cambia a menor en el oboe hasta que se llega a un tutti. Le sigue un pasaje fugado. Se reexpone el primer tema. El segundo tema está en los violines con contrapunto de la madera hasta que llega de improviso la fanfarria del primer movimiento; En un positivo fa mayor, la música se encamina a una drandiosa coda. 😊 😊 ❤
The opening sounds like rach 1st piano concerto
*Rachmaninoff’s first concerto sounds like the opening of this symphony :)
34:30 21:05
34:32 Excerpt 5b
28:05~28:21
40:49 H
SOS: Galw Gari Tryfan!
Cymraeg?
@@marksmith3947 Ydw!
40:05
"Permission?"
40:47
11:30 2:30
3:21 (66)
Derek this star nonsense, now which is it?
I’m sure of it.
34:01
Intro to Wish you were here
7:48 (159)
8:11 chunk J
33:53
20:56
11:38 (259)
7:39
20:07
Too much speed killed the beauty of the string passages 4th movement. No . But thanks for the score .
anyone in allstate?
Yes
08:11
8:04
10:08
с партитурой*
Can you add "Coco" by Lucky Chops and "Hey Jude" by Warren Hill between Scherzo and Finale?
Say whaaat?
Wait, what??
3:18 5:40
33:55
04:42
26:48
34:45
1:27
11:31
1:28
21:17
7:41
34:35
35:53
18:45
30:50
5:20
13:04
2:30 11:30
21:20