Vince Russo or Jim Cornette? Better Booker?
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- DAVE KNOWS that Booking WWE and wrestling in general is not an easy job. And while there have been many to give it a try, few have made a long lasting impact on the wrestling world like Jim Cornette and Vince Russo. For those in the Know, the two are very different indeed when it comes to how they see pro wrestling. Special Guest Albert Albanese and I are are back discuss who is the better booker and what booking practices are the best in general.
Cornette. It's not even close. Cornette is a booker, Russo is a writer.
I thought that was cut and dry, but it seems that Russo has a lot more fans than I realized
I'm with Dave and you on this. It is really this cut and dry.
@One More he left every promotion of his own free will except for NWA. Quit rewriting history to suit your own bullshit.
Am i the only one who wants to see Russo and Cornette in a debate with Sting as a mediator. With Cornette chained to the chair of course.
Now there are two
I second that but, no chairs or chains on anyone. The main problem is we gotta raise "Sting" money just for a dude that doesn't really need to be there.
Sting wouldnt do it. He knows with those two there will be some harsh language and Sting isnt listening to that. How about Paul Heyman. I think he would love to moderate that. To my recoloection, Paul doesnt have a beef with either one, so he would be great. How about Stone Cold? Get out of line and he would just smack the shit out of them.
@ese kay Then doing that fake laugh at Russo, and when Russo starts laughing, Austin stops and gives him that "Whoop your ass" stare. Corny would be on the floor dying.
@James Ratliff Definitely, I can see Paul E. doing that: to me, Paul E. is the Ying (northern) to Corny's Yang (southern) = but they have no beef with each other -> unlike Vince Russo vs. Jim Cornette (a truly pro wrestling "Civil War.") I would have Brian Last as a Ring Announcer; Conrad Thompson as a Color Commentator (or a comedian, Yannis Pappas - who really sounds like Vince Russo !) and Joey "OMG" Styles (from ECW), doing Play-by-Play !!!
Vince Russo is more of a story teller, TV writer.
Jim Cornette is more of a wrestling booker. That's the difference
The Addiction Show - Sandy, Son & KristaCoff yes but a bad tv writer
Dave has a great radio voice. Jim Cornette is a wrestling genius. Great booker and understands wrestling history and psychology
The success of the WWF in the late 90's wasn't just due to one,two,or three people. That was a team effort! It was like a fine machine. All the gears so to speak was in synchronization. To say Russo did it by himself was not true. But to say he didn't have anything to do with it also wasn't true.
I do like that you point out the team aspect of it. That really is important
Cornette goes over the smallest detail in a story. Everything happens for a reason and there's a reason for everything to happen.
If Cornette booked a match with a Super Kick in it, the match would be over. Not the modern variant of wrestling that has 20 Canadian Destroyers for a kick out.
Cornette is great at nuances and details but he lacks big picture vision. Whereas Russo is good at the big picture but is horrible at small details.
I've been a fan since the 83, I got to go with solid booking over hotshot ingredients any day, it was the wrestlers who puts their gimmicks over, Cornette has more experience.
Great point about the Wrestler putting the gimmick over. It seems we agree on how much power a booker actually has vs. talent
Dave Knows Wrestling the best example of this is Scott Hall in wcw when they tried to bury him on Thunder and never having his face shown on Nitro. Whenever he was anywhere he was the most over guy around. Bischoff tried his damndest to bury him and couldn’t. Because the audience still dictates who is over. And always will.
Vince can push a good entertainment angle. Jim can book a more believable pro wrestling angle. Jim is also able build things up more over time. Jim's weakness is he can be to traditional. Vince's weakness is ADD bull that doesn't make sense. They shouldn't book by themselves.
My thing is that Russo is a TV writer sure, but he's not the best by any stretch of the imagination. You can always find a better TV writer.. I.E. Dick Ebersol. But a finer mind for the business than Cornette is hard to come by
I side with Corny about 85% of the time. I didn't care for Russo's booking or how he made a joke out of the business and made the championship belts next to meaningless. But one thing I really did like about Russo though is that he gave the midcarders and low carders some storylines and made people actually give a crap about them. That's honestly about the only thing I liked about Russo. Honestly if they could ever work together there might be some good quality wrestling on.
I'm with you on that
Jeff Jarrett was in the Main Event in WCW because he IS THE KING OF THE MOUNTAIN!!!! Slap Nuts!
Russo was not responsible for people kicking out of each other's finishers. That was on the road agents and the talent involved in the match. Russo would relay to the agent what story points needed to be emphasized in the finish and the agent would then come up with a finish. In the WWF it was Pat Patterson most of the time, while in WCW it was Terry Taylor or Johnny Ace.
Both of them have their strong and weak points personally I’m more of a Cornette guy than a Russo guy i think if Russo has a filter he can do good things same with Jim there needs to be a balance of old school and new school ideas
Curt Hennig went back to WWE after WCW, you mentioned his last match ever was ax on a pole against David Flair but I just wanted to note that. Great opinions, i'll be looking for content after this vid.
Yes he did go back to WWE.. but the match in question was in TNA
Russo. The numbers don't lie.
Like his TNA numbers or his WCW ones
Cornette: Mantuar, The Goon, TL Hopper, the NWA "invasion"...
Russo: The Attitude Era.
Put your personal feelings aside and tell me, who's booking put asses in seats and popped ratings? Hint: It sure as fuck wasn't Cornette.
Had Vince Russo not had the balls to man up and tell McMahon his product sucked and he needed to make a huge change Cornette and Prichard's shit was about to drive the WWF into the ground.
Russo had a brief period of success. WCW, TNA, way, way worse than anything Cornette ever did. Plus don't forget, Cornette was there during the Attitude Era. Russo's best time period of ratings was from when WWF reclaimed the rating's top spot in 1998, he left the company by 1999. So he had what? A year of glory. Then weigh that against the YEARS where he failed. Cornette got ROH off the ground and OVW. You have to take in the entire career, not just cherry pick a high point.
A year is selling him way short. He became the head writer in early 97 and stayed there till October 99. He goes to WCW who the week before he started did a 2.5 and by the time they sent him home after those first 3 months he had them at a 3.5. In TNA as head writer they were getting 1.5 million viewers they now are lucky to get 300 000. It's all good that Cornette got ROH going but that's only important to marks. ROH has never even sniffed prominence with a mass audience. Nothing NOTHING Cornette has ever booked has ever put asses in seats. He's a God if you're a pure 80's inspired wrasslin enthusiast but his wrestling philosophy has never translated into money and the "Bottom Line" in wrestling is money. Ask the guys who have worked under Russo's and Cornette's pen which guys booking bought them houses and which guys booking bought them a cheeseburger combo at Wendy's.
Yeah, but WCW was still winning until April of 1998. Fine, WWF was gaining in 1997 until then, but that's still under 2 years. What about the long term. TNA is struggling now, but Russo has been employed with them ALMOST the entire time from 2002 to 2014. The big drop off happened on his watch. Russo has no long game. As I said in the podcast, Cornette is not perfect, but Russo is notoriously flawed. "blank" on a pole match. Mae Young givng birth to a hand, the Blue Blazer thing. These weren't good. Is Cornette old fashion.. yes, but at least he never did any of that.
So in about a year Russo raised WWF out of the gutter of Cornette's booking to beat WCW at the height of being the second biggest wrestling company to ever exist and that's a bad thing? You expect someone to do that overnight? The question is "Who is the better booker". You're answering that with personal opinion. I'm answering that by pointing out the only metric for which that can really be answered, dollars and cents. Whether it be years or days Russo's booking has made huge money. Cornette's booking never made huge money even for a second anywhere, ever. And the Mae Young hand thing had nothing to do with Russo. in fact it was Cornette who was a WWF employee when that happened.
Cornette is the better story teller within the parameters of wrestling. Vince is creative, outside the box thinker. Sometimes to outside the box for pro wrestling.
Fair enough.. I might say he is mostly too outside the box for wrestling
"Too outside the box for pro wrestling."
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I get what you're saying, but that sure is a funny way to say it.
Mexican on a pole match xD sometimes it's hard justifying being a wrestling fan xD
It's hard justifying being a fan of Vince Russo... but for some reason ppl still do it
It wasn't Eric's company so he had no real reason to fight against Russo. McMahon owned WWE so you know he wasn't going to let Russo run free.
Jim Cornette, without a doubt. Jim is one of the bezt brains in wrestling. Russo did well as a writer with McMahon there to keep him pulled in. Cornette loves Pro Wrestling and understands how it works from top to bottom. And what needs to happen.
To me it's a no contest. I don't even understand how anyone takes the other side
RIGHT? Why are some people not as smart as us?
It Was Jim Ross & Bruce That The Rock Should Be In The Nation & Jim Ross Basically Got The Rock Going About Deion Sanders
ok
Russo wins! Cornette was booking in WWF during 1995-1997 & it was a creative lowpoint. Russo booked from 1997-1999 & it was a high point. Plus, they had the same roster at their disposal.
I will say, I wasn't really cool with the Ultimate Warrior no selling the Pedigree from Triple H at Wrestlemania 12. That was too much. I think I understand Warrior's point but no. The double underhook facebuster can kill someone if it's executed to do so and Warrior get's right UP afterward. Come on.
Russo's booking made money and got viewers, Cornette's didn't. No comparison.
In his 30 year career, Russo only had a year and a half of success and for the rest of it he was practically allergic to making money. And there's enough to say that McMahon had just as much to do with WWF's success during that time if not more than Russo.
And while Cornette may not have seen anywhere close to the money Russo has in one shot, the Sinclair deal with ROH and his work in OVW, not to mention his podcast, while much, much smaller in scale, at least adds up to more than 18 months.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Oh yeah? Explain how TNA got its highest TV ratings WITH RUSSO. Explain how Russo instantly got WCW's TV ratings up. Explain how Cornette brought ratings down everywhere he went. Explain how SMW went out of business in five years.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling ROH never brought in any casual fans, and I doubt Cornette was the one responsible for the Sinclair deal. Plus, nobody watched OVW either. And keep in mind, he genuinely though fucking Rob Conway, The Revival and Adam Cole could be top guys.
WCW ratings went slightly FROM what they were at the time and only fora few weeks, but they were still not good. And Russo was with TNA for 15 years and they also saw ratings plummet during that time. You keep focusing on minor moments and ignoring all the other YEARS with no success. Your initial argument was about money and TNA and WCW didn't make any with Russo around. And if you want to bring up SMW and 5 years, then WCW was sold less than 5 years after Russo showed up.
I just said he never came close to the money Russo was in WWF. Although Cornette was in WWF during that same time period. And he did help broker the Sinclair deal, even if you don't think so. All I am saying about OVW and SMW, even though they were small potatoes, is that at least they lasted longer than a year and a half
I'll be the first to admit that Jim Cornette can be more than a little overbearing at times, but come on, it's not even close. Like him or not, you can't deny his passion for, and knowledge of, Professional Wrestling.
I concur. I don't know how or why this is even an argument
What both of yall are missing is Russo was a writer Vince WAS ALWAYS THE BOOKER! !I When you always have the final say you are by proxy the booker. Since he was the owner he couldnt handle every single aspect of the storyline, enter Vince Russo.
Verne Gagne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What was that finisher Dave mentioned when they were talking about NJPW finishers?
Can you give me a time code Buddy?
Dave Knows Wrestling Somewhere just after 23:40 but before 45. You said something like the Steinalizer or something. Reason I want to know is so I can look it up on here.
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Oh yeah.. it's brutal!
I have never heard a more cogent defense of Russo. But having met the man more than once, I think it is far too generous.
Cornette, on the other hand, I never met, so I only have his work and his words to go by. I feel that Jim would book guys really well (they ARE over.) If and only if he could get them to slow it down and stop calling shots that look assisted.
And Malice? I kinda knew him. Better than I knew Russo. The man had very little ego. If he had lived longer, I feel he would have been a major star. He did not think he knew it all and was eager to learn.
I think he still thought of himself as "that fat guy" long after it was nothing like the truth. It made him attentive when a veteran spoke.
Just my opinion.
Corny vs Shitstain is much better than most main events nowadays sigh
Sadly yea
Very glad I found your channel, excellent job guys! P.S Russo for the win BRO
I'm even more glad you did, Thank you!
A better Booker? Jim Cornette. His stuff worked mostly during the Attitude Era but that was clearly temporary because of the circumstances that the Federation was going through at the time. Jim Cornette is way smarter wrestling wise and can clearly put together a very entertaining angle and show overall. Once the Attitude Era began to cool off a lot of Russia's ideas that maybe made TV looked just wild.
Such an insightful conversation. Great job guys! You earned one sub here! For me, both are stubborn guys who think the only way to do wrestling is their way. My conclusion: Vince Russo (except his misogynistic way of writing for women) would be more effective for the WWE because in essence, they are a television product more than a wrestling company. However, he'd need someone producing him and filtering his final work, especially in this politically correct era. I'd put Cornette in a talent development position, give him the book to the developmental fed, so that young talent can experience and appreciate the old school and basic tenets of pro wrestling.
Great to have you on the team! Cornette has def proven his worth for developmental for sure, so I agree to that. As far as Russo and TV, I hear your point, but I, personally, rather just hire an actual TV Producer.
Thought this over the last few hours, and yeah, I realize that any good television writer could make the TV shows better without risking the product's integrity. I guess the only thing I'd really push for is for the WWE to give Russo the credit and respect he deserves for writing the Attitude Era. Because for all it's worth, I believe it's far more important than any bad booking decisions he's done after.
I don't think there are people who will deny Russo credit for the Attitude Era. Even guys who hate that era acknowledge what he did in it. The thing that gets me is, that he wasn't responsible for it by himself. There were many minds behind it. In fact, both WCW and ECW played huge roles in shaping the Attitude Era. Plus, if Austin, the Rock, Foley and so on, weren't able to make these angles work, it wouldn't have. Finally, of course, McMahon was a big part of the success. It wasn't just Russo. Russo's near two decades of failure and the fact that he's been all but blacklisted are not done to mock him, but to illustrate that clearly, he is not a booking genius.
I still think the WWE itself doesn't give him the credit he deserves, though. I'm not saying the WWE should glorify him or whatever, but it is undeniable that he was writing the shows and the moments a lot of people hold special. We can all agree that those shows wouldn't have worked if it wasn't Austin, VKM, Foley, etc. who were executing the scripts, but diminishing Russo's contributions would be like saying Larry David's vision wouldn't have worked if it weren't Jerry Seinfeld, Michael Richards, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, and Jason Alexander in the cast.
Okay, well in terms credit, what would you like them to do then?
You should make a video on an Eric Bischoff (WCW / NWA) vs. Paul Heyman (ECW head Booker, Paul E. Dangerously = along with Tod Gordon; formerly WWF/WWE's Smackdown G.M., the Smackdown Six stable; a former RAW Executive Director = a job that was taken over by Brother Love, aka Bruce Prichard (2021) ); or a Paul E. vs. Vince McMahon (as a WWE head Booker; along with guys like Johnny Ace (the Dynamic Dude(s) "People Power" guy; the late Animal's brother, John Laurinaitis). (Kevin Steen (Kevin Owens in the WWE); El Generico (Sami Zayn in the WWE) ) (Still after all of these years, I am still a Hardcore (not Casual) Pro Wrestling Fan.... I still love the Business. No doubt, I used to be a "Hollywood" Hogan fan (since Wrestlemania III : Hulk vs. Andre the Giant - back in the day...) I think that having Jobber / Prelim(inary) Bums (aka "Squash" matches - like Goldberg during his first WCW "unstoppable" streak run, on September 22, 1997) like on the old "WWE Superstars," before a Main Event match, on either a "RAW" or "Smackdown" show, would be a GREAT thing, to bring back !!!
I actually did 2 episodes, one on Bischoff and the other on Heyman's booking.. so kinda already did
@@DaveKnowsWrestling ok. I got it. I must check those out. Thanks for the 411, Dave. Cool !
As interesting as this was to hear, it seemed like it derailed quite a bit. I do agree with what Dave was saying about the brand split towards the end. No one understands that there already WAS a brand split and that is WWE and NXT. With as much momentum that NXT has had since late 2014, it could have been its own brand.
I for one would love to see random NXT invasions sprinkled throughout WWE events. Similar to the Nexus, only without Cena (or Reigns I guess) to crush them all.
Guilty... me and Albert do tend to derail whenever we talk about wrestling... you should hear us when we're just talking casually. And an NXT Invasion would be great, I almost thought we were getting that when Sami Zayn and KO came up for the John Cena US Open Challenge.
Got to say if I was running a federation, First person I call to Book it was Paul Heyman.
Very good choice
Austin had no real opponents because Vince drove off Bret and HBK got hurt. That would have made 5 main eventers to get more main eventers over. He drove off Bret because he thought he’d have Shawn. Shawn and Bret were fantastic at getting others over, without either of them he only had Stone Cold and Mick to get guys over until Rock really came into his own. Rock had the Bret mentality; get more guys over and there’s more guys to draw money with me. Jeff Jarrett was actually very good, but he wasn’t ever a “top guy.” It should honestly be called Jeff Jarrett heat instead of XPac Heat. I disagree on Steiner though, with classic wrestling fans he’s a legit main eventer. The reason why all of wcw’s last generation of main eventers were all made by The Outsiders run as top tag team. They were the ones getting guys over when Hogan didn’t get anyone else over. And as much as we all love Heyman, he could have had access to Turner’s money. He fucked with wcw incessantly, that’s why the pillaged his talent so hard. They wanted ecw to do business with them as their developmental region, trust me. Because they used him for it anyway and he got nothing out of it, had he been less antagonistic he could have had an alliance (eh, eh) with wcw in the 90’s.
Stevie Ray should've stuck with the announcer gimmick too. Talking about the Yacks
I feel that there is a place for him somewhere in the biz, I just can't say where it was after him and Book split
Cornette
Another correct vote!
The Young Buck admit Corny is working the fans.
Yeah, I heard that too, but I have yet to find it from a definite source
Dave Knows Wrestling on their talk is Jericho interview.
It's a blink and you'll miss it line but it's there.
Thanks. Will have to look into that
Dave Knows Wrestling
Don't have the precise time but it's after they bring Meltzer
Found it Mario Trujillo! Thank you so much for narrowing it down for me
The stuff from WWE at the time he's putting over (Austin, etc) wasn't even Russo. Russo didn't touch any of the main eventers
It's already been confirmed by the main eventers themselves that he was writing for them. Who did you even get that bogus information from??
"This is your life", the beer bath, Austin as CEO, Austin destroying McMahon's corvette, the zamboni, DX, Rock becoming the corporate champion etc - it was all Russo and Ferrara.
@@TheNextStep851 who told you this? Russo didn't produce a single DX segment
@@danielarchambeault-may5162 and you're basing that on information from who? Bruce Prichard?
HBK has credited Vince Russo for allowing him to go out there and be himself in 97-98. Cornette and Prichard were not having DX go out on commentary and sit next to Cornette while eating bananas. Cornette and Prichard were not writing the sexual innuendo and 70s rock references in HHH's promos, and they sure as hell weren't coming up with DX playing strip poker or having cookouts.
I actually really liked Jeff Jarrett in WCW. So choke on that Slapnuts😁
Haha, fair enough. Credit where credit is due, those promo Jarrett used to cut during that time were good
King of the Mountain!
Kastle Krossface That was in TNA.
You liked him, we don't. It's an opinion.
I like Vince Russo
To each their own
I like both Cornette and Russo.Cornette is way better at podcasts but I liked what Russo did for WWF and WCW not every angle but it is way better then today's shit.I like the matches but I also like good story lines and build ups.As a 40 year old man do I miss mid to late 80s and early 90s and late 90s wrestling.
It's nice that you see the positives in both
Bobby Roode Dean Ambrose and Paige made the DDT actual finishers again Roode's is Gloriously done if I may say 😁.
He does have a great DDT
1) Booker T deserved to be in the main event and DDP didn't? I think this is the first time I'm going to disagree with Dave.
2) They have actually started to go back to old school finishers. WMD, Superman Punch, Glorious DDT. Sadly the spot monkeys have ruined the super kick, but I digress.
3) I could not agree with the end more. I actually said/thought that like 7 years ago. If I ever won like 50 million I'd start a promotion and hire Paul Heyman and tell him to book it however he wanted/needed to.
Yes, there have been some improvement on that since this episode aired.. Bobby Roode is a big one for me on that too
Dave good video cornette over Russo cornette knows the business a lot better
Alright! Cornette gains the lead
It’s really hard to have heels and baby faces because it’s always the fans who decide who gets cheered and who gets booed. It’s like everyone is a tweener now. You can put baby face Roman reigns bs heel HHH and HHH would most likely be cheered or maybe the ref will get a pop XD
Wrestling always had that problem. The ppl cheered heel Austin and booed face Bret. They switched and Austin became a license to print money. Years later and Becky turned heel and out sold everyone in merch. A bad business man always blames the customers. Just like a bad booker always blames the fans
Did you watch buff bagwell wrestle he was horrible
He wasn't... that bad... was he?
Bagwell was the shitz
No one is talking about Russo without the attitude era. So my question is did the talent make Russo or did Russo make the talent?
Talent made Russo end of story
Dave Knows Wrestling I concur
@Dan S damn dude who hurt you?
I'm reality, decent guys. As of now, Cornette gets edge, because he's still active as part of NWA reboot. Unaware if Russo is even active anymore. His self sabotage with pitiful angles speaks for itself. Really outweigh the success Russo may have had.
I agree to that, it's a no brainer for me
Jim Cornette is better, but Vince Russo is good at times.
Very, very, very few times
i hate the fact that i like russo
Russo has good qualities. Just like with everyone, it's a matter of how much you like his good vs. how much you dislike his bad. And as I'm learning thru this podcast episode, there are a lot of people who enjoy his better qualities.
I'm curious how many Russo haters were wrestling fans during the Monday Night wars and not millennial marks brainwashed by the WWE and Dave Meltzer and Jim Cornette to hate him.
Sounds like you too would agree that if you crossbreed Cornettes booking and Russo's storytelling you would have the best Booker ever?
Umm I wouldn't go that far. I think you need to pluck the 1% of good ideas Russo had for the 1 year he had good ideas
Im early in, but are we ignoring Russo in Impact?
While we would all like to ignore Russo in Impact... especially since most of it was done in secret... for the purposes of my argument, it def is a major factor
1 Thing Like About Russo He Will Get A Lot Of Wrestlers Involved But He Didn't Have Nothing For The Rock
Thanks for sharing
How can you say your a Roman fan with a straight face?
I have no idea why he is
Russo is better at booking sports entertainment, Corny is better at booking old school wrasslin’. I wish Russo wouldn’t have written Owen’s death though.
wtf do you mean "written Owen's death"
@@KushClarkKent
Russo planned the stunt that killed the greatest pro wrestler of all time.
Why do these guys give Russo all the credit for the Attitude Era? It's well known that what made SCSA is that they didnt OVER book him. They didnt write segments for him they told him what points they wanted to get across and let him say what came natural.
How should I know why
They did write segments for him, they just didn't script him to the letter. Austin wasn't coming up with stuff like the beer bath or destroying Vince McMahon's cars etc.
Russo deserves the credit for the Attitude Era along with Ed Ferrara because as soon as those guys left, the writing sucked and viewership declined every year. To a lesser extent you could compare it to James Cameron not writing/directing the Terminator sequels. Arnold was still there, they brought back Linda Hamilton and Ed Furlong eventually but the sequels sucked. WWE had all the big names in the 00's but the product was horrible. In fact Austin was so frustrated with the creative he went home.
@@TheNextStep851 it's funny you bring up the beer bath and show that Vince Russo is where u get u're info. Austin DID come up with the beer bath it was a segment Jim Ross said Austin pitched and Vince (McMahon) loved it.
@@TheNextStep851 I give Russo credit for his contributions, no women's matches of any merit not contested in bra and panties and the Brawl for All which ruined Dr Death, exposed most of the bottom end of the roster for being barely average, and allowed JBL to continue bullying under card guys... Great work Russo
@@savvv5416 This is just proof that you people have an agenda and try to discredit him for anything good he did, while crediting him for everything bad. It's moronic and contradictory because in the same breath people like Kresky or Heyman are praised for their writing, even though the viewership never increased like it did under Russo. In fact the viewership declined.
Some questions for you though:
1. Why is it that Austin became so fed up with creative that he left the company in 2002 if Russo wasn't the one coming up with this stuff? If Austin had all these great ideas he'd have never walked out when he did.
2. Was the Brawl For All as bad as you're making it out to be when those guys who took part weren't doing anything on TV at the time and were paid large sums of money to compete in it? Those people were getting into bar fights more often than not anyway and likely saw the Brawl For All as a night off whilst getting TV time. They were getting paid to fight, and were getting reactions in the Brawl for All as opposed to wrestling nothing squash matches in silence on Shotgun.
3. If Russo contributed nothing of note, why was he not fired during 1997-99? If he wasn't contributing any good ideas and all of the good ideas were down to everyone else, what need is there to keep him around?
4. You are aware that Russo has been on Austin's podcast on numerous occasions and they've discussed the writing for his character, right?
5. Can you name any woman in 2021 who is more over than Sable was in 1998? JR compared her crowd reactions to Ric Flair's.
Plus, Russo's stuff is just more entertaining. I've always found serious, traditional, sports-presentation wrestling boring and insulting to my intelligence.
Corny is a way better Booker than Russo...
Def no contest
Is this a trick question???
It should be
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Vince Russo couldn't book a wedding rehearsal dinner without two or more colleagues around to keep him from deciding it would be a good idea to have it in a junkyard catered by the Three Stooges with roadkill as the main course.
I'm with ya, I do not get how or why anybody defends him
Russo Knows Nothing
Well... not gonna argue with that
But John Cena is an a$$hole backstage and it appears his star power and ego got to him. I've never heard stories like that about a Triple H or The Miz or a Done Cold Steve Austin or The Rock among many others that were said to be huge jerks to other talent during their Main Event runs. Cena lost a good amount of respect on that one.
Vince Russo is the most cringe worthy person I've seen on air. He's never created good content. He's either stolen or has been aided in creating any good content he was a part of. Jim Cornette knows the business, loves the business, respects the business. He would by far be a better assett.
That is very true. Russo was not someone who should have been an on-air persona in my opinion... or a behind the scenes one either
Jim Cornette wins.
Verne GAGNE is a better booker
Oh please, he couldn't even book Hulk Hogan into being the global phenomenon that he became
@@DaveKnowsWrestling without Verne Hogan would've just have been a mediocre, run of the mill Memphis and Florida wrestler and Bass player
Cornie's rants about Russo get old very quickly, but I prefer his style. I want to take my son to some PG family-friendly wrestling where he gets to cheer the faces and boo the heels. I don't know if that exists anymore.
It does. I'm not too sure as to what your sensibilities are, but WWE is fairly kid accessible from my estimation. Chikara on the other hand was great for that when it was around
i knew you were in the cult
Seriously
Dave. You awesome.
Dave. YOU Awesome!
Vince Russo sucks! look what he did to WCW and TNA!
Right on!