That's a hard pass for me. Makes me want to start a business where I plug a song into ozone, charge a monthly fee to do so, and send 30% to some big name that lets me use their name to brand it.
I'm not sure where Abbey Road Studio online mastering falls in the triangle, but as an experiment, I had a song that YOU mastered for me, mastered by their online service. The results: Theirs wasn't EVEN CLOSE to yours. Your master sounded better by a factor of 100. In fact, I ran the mix through Ozone Mastering Assistant and it sounded the exact same. This led me to believe they are using either a template that they just slap on, or they just run it through Ozone, despite that a famous named engineer did the "mastering". So, I'll just stick with you over AI, online mastering, or automation for the foreseeable future.
Hello Wytse! Any chance you tell us what track you used? I suppose it is not called "Sanddunes"... Liked it very much and would love to add it to my Spotify playlist. All the best!
I tried the AI clone on pretty dynamic music. It came back a wreck, overcompressed and with a lift in the highs that was unpleasant. In other words, the result was pretty much the same as yours. Seems to me that the AI mastering process is fixed to one setting. I dont think Wez Clarke work like that. Could it work on EDM? Anyway, very useful review! :)
What I'm wondering here is: Where is the big difference compared to the current Ozone mastering? The result immediately reminded me of Ozone 11. Wider stereo field, heavy compression, more aggressive highs, (tape) saturation. While Ozone is a one-time payment, with this service, I have to pay monthly and get a similar result. Maybe it's due to the source material (mix), but I didn't feel like I was getting "more."
Very interesting topic indeed, I’m demoing Smart Eq and at first I didn’t really like it but after using it better I have to say that it’s pretty good in what it does. Talking to a A.I. chatbox is definitely coming and the thing is only getting better and better, crazy times ahead indeed 😮
In reverse order, I use WavesFactory "Equalizer," Sonible's Smart De-ess, Sonible's Pure Limit, Brainworx_Refinement (de-harsher) on my Master Buss. Final Mastering I do on CloudBounce a.i. mastering tool, with a lifetime license. I love CloudBounce since you can tweak results and have unlimited masters. It will undergo UI changes as necessary as time goes by, improving user tweakability is key. If it is further integrated with chat, so you can talk to it and get real time verbal/visual feedback, now that would be a horse of a different color!
The great mastering engineers don’t impose “their sound” on your mixes. Rather they get the most out of your vision and translate it to consumer formats. But it’s still your vision. I can’t see how Ai ever does that.
What makes you think AI won’t *ever* being able to do that? The pace at which AI (in different fields) are improving is mind-blowing. I don’t think it’s a matter of if, but when will they be able. You’ll likely give “your vision” as a detailed prompt. If it’s not right, edit your prompt and get your newly revised masters in the blink of an eye.
@@G.GordonMidi AI is scary because it is not “I”, only “A”. It is machine learning, as fallible and ignorant as whoever teaches it. It is a fad. When the dust settles, machine learning will find its place in our systems and society, but it won’t be like you are led to imagine now.
I prefer the mix sound than the mastered!! The mastered sounds too thin and compressed....It sounds like if they applied a smile curve eq, a compressor and a limiter and that's it!!!
What do you think about, it's probably got trained on already good quality mixes (due to he is on the pyramid's top), and not really on the kind of mixes beginner/not pro mixers give? So it's probably still isnt giving the best to not pro mixing engineers as like to pros
Nah... I tested it with a mix that severely lacked low mids, and it didn't make anything to at least try to solve the issue, just enhanced the highs (which didn't need enhancing at all) and made it louder. No thanks...
Then an A.I. Metallica VST. "Write me a variation of the Master of Puppets album" and I'll just sing the ai created lyrics and claim it's my work. That's where I imagine all this heading. If so it will be interesting to see how real creatives counter the AI wave to prove their work is their work
"Lifting" tracks from vinyl and making scratches and beats was only initially alarming, Moog synthesizers scared many classical musicians, Y2K was supposed to kill our computers, a.i. now idiotically seems to be threatening just about anyone's job. Shelf stockers and burger flippers at Amazon and McShit respectively will be gone and replaced by conveyer belts and an ATM at the checkout. Tha'ts for sure. So far.
regarding the pyramid AI doesn't bridge the gap between the top and bottom sections when it comes to tracking... that involves hardware and engineering expertise both of which are outside the software domain
This is basically a decent option for close to 0 budget home producers. Nothing wrong with that. They would likely not even have the budget to get White Sea to do it (don't mean this in a bad way!). As soon as their budgets go up, I think it will be natural to go to the mid level mastering people - they will still be better than what AI can do, at least for a considerable time into the future, and there is always something to be said for giving and getting real feedback.
The Master is a little bright for my taste, but I find most popular music to be mixed too bright. Otherwise it managed to make the track significantly louder without ruining it - which is exactly what mastering is for - if the mix is good. Don't worry, it comes across on TH-cam just fine. Everything that is worth mentioning comes across on TH-cam. Acting like it wouldn't is just annoying at this point. Happy New Year!
I like this song BTW, rock on whoever that is. And full marks for level balancing the mix and the master, that really helps the A/B. So I thought the mix sounded better than the master. Rounder and smoother which suited the track better IMHO. E.g the master seems to have a lot of extra fizz on the vocal, not really in a good way, and the little guitar chop in the verse was butchered - in the mix it sounded like a real guitar, in the master more like a mangled sample. Or a strangled cat. But I'm listening to this on my DT 1990's so the master may sound better on earbuds I suppose, dunno.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that this type of service connects home producers to the top engineers... It's and AI software mastering, home producers are getting NOTHING from Wez Clarke here. It's another online automated mastering with fancy name slapped on, but has nothing to do with the actual engineer. Is audio going through his analog chain or something? If it did it would be the first thing they mention, so no it doesn't... and of course it's subscription based... because home producers need to master something literally every day and commit for a year, I mean...
Yeah. It will be hard ethically and legally to give Wes Clarke any legitimate credits for "mastering" your song. Of course, you cannot say that, you will have to give credits to whoever owns the Wes Clarke algorhythm. Stupid, meaningless footnote credits at the end of the day. The advantage for novices to get Wes Clarke level masters, well now, that is enticing. Home recordists do not have the skill or money for pro engineering/mixing/mastering. Period. The CloudBounce Lifetime license is I think around $99 right now. I've seen it on APD for as low as $69 and as high as originally priced at $199. In either case, pay once, master unlimited songs. I would never pay per master. I would never go subscription. I do think this will become a standard feature in future releases of current DAWs (like Logic). I'm hoping Reaper 8 shows us something a.i. mastering option soon.
Rage beats hit hard,I enjoy the intensity, but there's something off about the saturation that feels a bit strange idk what it is.Other than that i enjoy the punch in the master, but there's something odd about what the master AI does with the signal. 6/10
Being an AI version of a TH-cam commentator, I can reassure you there's no need to worry! Let's return to this topic in 150 years and see how it went on. ❤
I am no pro, but i have to say it. Master isnt that HUGE Impact that counts. Lets Look back - some famous Musik was just ugly in Sound and rocks out the hell and it sound not great. What realy should be the goal is the Composing and the Arrangement, the focus and building of that track that makes the Musik work or lose. And that is hard to get - becouse of many reasons. You can try and error or you follow a system that is teached by some people but in the end - there are rules to a good Mix. Rules that can make huge difference when following them like - Fokus on the important instruments on "that" moment and make it count. I know its easy said hard done.. if the mix doesnt catch the listener becourse the structure is wrong - NO MASTER will ever get that shit done great. And in some genres you even cannot go for strukture becourse the Genre isnt allowing the rules. The best what we can do is paint the picture with our arrangement that works for us, if we like what we did and scream out of joy - other people can get that feeling too. But if strukture wasnt right its just lose of impact by translation. Musik is a Language of emotion. And some things can be done out of box, some things should be done and some thing we should not do like starting the Track without introduction. And even calculating with numbers 4 6 8 12 16 .. on length and size of parts can have strong impact to the Musik and Mix. Sometimes it just feels wrong becourse of a calculation failure starting the sequenz 1 to early or late. The best teacher of all is: GET OUT OF THE STUDIO, PUT YOUR AS IN THE NEXT CLUB AND PLAY YOUR MUSIK. The reaktion of the crowd and the feeling paint out what is done right or wrong. You can work your as out in Studio to make the momentum of your refrain work for you - but that doesnt mean that it works for the Dancefloor and the crowd. And it does not effect so much how it was masterd. I say it with the truth - if the MIX works the master make it shine. If the Mix doesnt work even the best Master and Gear cant make it count. And Mastering is more like ad contrast and color to the existing mix to make it work on the technical side. Its up to the artist and composer to create magic. If there is no Magic within the Mix - there will be no magic afterwards the Mastering.
The Grateful Dead. Sloppy, mostly unskilled, non-virtuosos, drunk as hell on stage most of the time. Had a cult following since before Woodstock, still being played today. Certainly not the Beatles, but I think a few people really like them. It is the spirit, the energy, the presentation, the very essence of the band that will carry it on to some degree of success, not an Alan Parsons level master. So, for us elitists in the sound biz, we can banter all day about quality of the mix, but when it comes right down to it, for the audience, it is the music, not the sound of the music that counts. So far, I use a.i. "CloudBounce" mastering, Sonible "Smart De-ess," Sonible "Pure Limit," Waves Factory Equalizer. The last 2 are permanently on my Master Buss.
@@kentcantwellMusic I tryed a lot in the end when it comes to Master i choose that chain (SPL VITALIZER when needed), Puigtec Waves EQ, Solid Bus Comp NI, Maag EQ4, Ozone Limiter Maximizer. That Chain does all i can think of in digital Domain. The Vitalizer CAN enhance the Low End give a nice Spread, the Puigtec has that magic curve that makes all sound better, the Bus Comp makes all a bit closer the EQ4 from Maag has that amazing Airband that open up like nothing else. And the Maximizer is just to shoot at reference on -8dbu (Genre tracks are at/close same Level). I like that chain but like always it depend on taste. And somehow my chain change from time to time but this chain has everything to wish for - i would realy love to have it analog but its far to expensive to me. And until my musik is famous pay that bitch with 6000€ is not nessesary. Nobody listen to my musik - so i can easy say that software does it. I dont have my musik in Marketing or online. So first to blame is my bad marketing not the Master. Marketing musik can be easy an very expensive and time eating prozess. And i dont have money and i dont have that much time or talent for marketing. And i am not in a Label or what ever. I only love makeing musik. In the end the listener will not recognize the difference on software or hardware based Master.
AI will inevitably undervalue human work, so the question for you as an audio engineer is, why would you mix/master if income/money isn't a relevant answer anymore, if we agree on concept we live in a beatuiful world where people should spend their time doing what they enjoy, what purpose you'd have as an audio engineer? last time I had a chat with AI about analogy of user/AI, they told me I'm a model and they're the painter, and when you think about it it completely redefines roles in the audio industry as well, listeners may (and will be) obsessed with AI for a while, but they'll inevitably start to seek for actual artists and actual engineers (not their AI copies) in the long run, so question is what exactly are you planning to offer, to yourself to spend time on, not for others in the first place :)
Hmm I do not like the result, I am hearing some harsh high frequencies and it sounds a bit too compressed. Edit, I was typing this and then you said it lol re the highs. So there you go.
Louder isn’t better, louder is just louder. Anyone can just raise a volume and call it a day. Dynamics are more important. I just tried it on one of my acoustic songs. It sounds louder but the bass stopped slicing through the bass. A.i needs work. Try again in like a year or 2
Was listening to the comparison on my Sony WH-1000XM4 to get a consumer perspective. I would say the consumer could not really tell a big difference. But I can tell I like the mix way more than the master (I did not watch your "what I think" part yet to not be influenced by your opinion). The vocal got thin, the mids lack substance and I dont like these artificially sounding airy highs. All of this makes the song sterile and it sounds way less groovy and musical … and tbh thats all its about: The groovy feeling. And that is what the consumer will not hear or be able to define, but feel!
Um. . . . I'm in the bottom tier of that pyramid - that's okay. This morning I threw an old, old track I made into Logic Pro and turned the "Mastering Assistant" loose on it. As with the A.I. example (actually just a computer program algorithm) it took my track (which I probably made 40 years ago with technology available then - all in the box) boosted the volume and excited the overall sound. I must say I prefer the updated Logic Pro X Mastering Assistant much better. Maybe you'll consider making a video about it some day? Thanks . . . and. . . I like your attitude. It's only a matter of time until you are at the top of that pyramid. Cheers!
People in the music industry together with powerful people managing lots of radio stations at once and parts of the production chain, including mastering studios, have done incredible damage to our beloved musical genres over decades... especially since the years 1993/1994. AI may be the next tool in the chain, but much of our modern popular music already suffers from bad writing, bad composition, lifeless productions and way too loud (hot) mastering, as an AI template. One should not be scared about AI mastering bad music. :) Good masterings, done by a human who understands music can turn a good recording, done by humans who understand music into a great song - for humans, and not for the algorithm of streaming-services. The sad truth is that not too many people including those who are in charge of the music biz seem to really understand music or actually care about it any more. Soon we'll be having AI-composed, AI-mastered music. Though it may fool a lot of people and will be successful I doubt it will wow a real music lover completely.
I agree that there will defintely be "junk food a.i. generated music" that some people who don't know any different, or are at a minimal level of musical knowledge, will still bang their poor silly heads to. But that's no different than the cycle of current one hit wonders and those of yesteryear coming and going like cheap annually replaced wall paper in an overpriced cafe. Now, with a.i. at all levels, the music scene will be more heavily populated than ever. I do not see the downside. There's tons of shitty music out there already that fools a lot of people into thinking that it is "good" music that resists being denegrated.
@@kentcantwellMusic I wouldn't go as far as saying there'll be no downside as time will tell and we'll all find out. I can imagine that a market flooding of a.i. music will likely make it even more difficult for real musicians or bands to be evaluated (and not by an a.i.) to still get and sign reasonable(!) record deals and make a living with their music... or will the situation get even more difficult than today? Let's just hope there will be an international binding "non-a.i." / "a.i." certification or label that will mark any music produced with and/or containing a.i. (or not) clear for the public and generally music still worth or more worth producing.
I have noticed over the years that mastering must be seen as a creative process as well. Yes, music and audio engineering is math, but at some point unusual decisions makes better results. Services like LNDR, Cloudbounce, and some AI, tend to reproduce a sound based on references. It could be a good starting point, but many people expect they'll have the same result like "this artist". In fact, there are so many elements involved, it's nearly impossible to completely trust a generic robot. They must inject some feelings based on creativity.
I use CloudBounce for mastering. I chose it over the others because of its tweakability. They will hopefully upgrade the UI tweaks over time. Their use of "reference mixes" is their only temporary limitation.
9:33 And (another phrase…) Bob’s your uncle - people from the bottom segment will be drawn in and on the other end the data will be captured to more enhance the top of the pyramid. I think you’ll be alright matey! 👍
This could be accurate for some mixes, but obviously not for all after listening to this demo. AI has a long way to go before they can start digging into my pockets. There is no way I’d pay $30 a month for something that is hit or miss. This is a money grab in my opinion.
Well in 7 years all plugins are taken over by a.i. mastering will be a.i. Popsongs will be A.I. there will be hundreds of new good sounding beatlesongs there will be a spotify that creates music you love next to the artists you love... You will be able to just hum something then turn it into a hitsong of one of your favorite composers... Yeah... that is going to happen. Then all this, sequencers, mixing consoles... it will be all gone. Except for live performances... I hope...
You're way too pessimistic about this. What is the function of music? Is it a temporary emotional fix for when you're down? For most people, I would venture to say that this is the case. For me, as a pro musician and self producing TH-camr, I sometimes hear really bad mixes and masters from all over the timeline. If there's genuine substance in the content, then sound quality really is secondary. I am using a.i. and analog, and digital processing in my efforts. Rather than feel threatened, I am evolving with the times and grateful every day for the voracity of human innovation. The only thing I want a.i. to completely replace is the human desire for immortality. Our bodies suck. But if our minds could live forever...
I think the real problem will be when we will develop such an habit to AI music to think it's better than human made music. Technical devices have the only goal of producing something in the fastest way possible. Art is different and the human way of producing something is different every single time. Art is about a different emotional flow every time we do something. AI do not have emotions and the fact we do use AI for music means that people don't think emotions are important in music. Modern music is in fact almost completely technically perfect but un-emotional.
@@larsborst7121Luckily this is totally untrue. Rationality is a function of the brain but the psyche is in large part irrational. What we explain through science and rationality is not what reality is. What science says is an approximation and in large part a product of the mind of the observer and his way of thinking. This is obvious for modern physics, psychologists and science philosophers. So no. Emotions are not rational. They can be mimicked by an Ai but they are not emotions. You are a human, try to learn what separates you from a machine.
@@francescomarrone8466 Yes I am a human and I am very aware of what separates me from a machine, thank you very much. I'm not saying that AI in this moment has anything aching to emotions. But what if AI can mimick emotions in a way that makes it impossible for a human to tell the difference,? Doesn't change a thing about the fact that our emotions originate in the brain in reaction to the environment and the senses just as well. People that develop tumors in parts of the brain that regulate and initiate emotions very often display different emotional behaviour in a profound way. A small structure called the amygdala, that plays an important part in the regulation of fear can lead to increased anxiety when damaged. People in which the amygdala's (there are two identical structures in opposite hemispheres) are completely destroyed cannot not experience fear at all. Alzheimer wrecks the brain and destroys lots and lots of braincells which very often leads to altered emotional behaviour, even up to the point that the character of the patient changes. Demented behaviour can be overemotional, deeply anxious but also constantly elated depending of which parts of the brain are most affected and in which way. And o by the way, I studied science philosophy and a vast majority of modern philosophers ascribe to what neuroscience has discovered about the brain.
@@larsborst7121 I work in the field of philosophy and psychology, that's why I am saying what I am saying. The vision you express is illuministic and positivistic, this vision has been surpassed since at least half of the past century but still guides some scientific research I admit. Go read some Kant You say emotions are algorythms? Well prove it. No one has proven this. Why? Beacause mathematic is a system that works in his own ecosystem but in no way represents reality as it is. An AI Is similar to a real human like a videogame Is a representation of reality. When every men will see himself has an algorythm then, I agree, no one will be able to tell the difference. This does not mean there isn't a difference. In simplex terms an AI mimicks emotions but does not have emotions. Science does not tell us what reality is, what emotions are. Reflect on this because the positivistic vision is at this point in time surpassed.
Oh c'mon! Good wine. Cheap wine. There will always be a difference between a Big Mac and a fillet mignon. Most people won't even notice or care. Music is such a subjective thing that only producers, engineers, and pro musians lend meanigful critiques. While the hungry masses simply enjoy the beat.
Indeed scary. Also because a lot of people without talent, not professional at all, that maybe also used A.I. to make a tune and used a high setup of autotune and timing correction because they can't sing at all, they are going to have cheap and easy access to top quality product finishing, which will sound probably goed enough to be played in phones and bluetooth speakers and will be populair for its shity lyrics. All will become cheap and fast and It will be a desaster for people with talent that want to invest a bit of time doing something good. Actually we are already a bit at that stage, having Bad Bunny winning been named the composer of the year. The only thing is that behind Bad Bunny there is a lot of money running. But this video shows that this top high sound will be achieved by anyone who has 30 dollars. Note that I'm not critizating Bad Bunny. this guy does what he does and he is succefull with it. But it is just the way the market moves. Now a days we are just loosing the professional ethics and change it for easy money. Just enough to overload the world with shit and cheap music.
I would only disagree with you on one point: you need to seek out the "good music." It all starts with the one you like, and grow outwards from there. Read the liner notes. Find out who played on the album, who influenced it, produced it, etc. Google the names of the players and find their discographies. A great way to find new to you bands that are in a similar genre you are familiar with. Lame musicians have always been producing lame music. You just need to let them do it, and walk away. No coins in that cup.
But the problem is that lately cheap music generates big money, and musicians and producers needs money too. So you see ofently great musicians and producers working in that kind of projects. I thappena a lot that a stupid song with poor lyrics has a super interesting arrangement and a top quality sound.
Its a very very interesting business vector this days! And, of course its much simple task, for sure for modern neural algorithms. Something like was invented (?) by izotope. Those “tonal balance control” is only what you may use while mix and master. And don’t worry about business loss. AI feature will take on those abusers who don’t what they want.
I can imagine AI doing all the boring work - but what's the point when a software programm without feelings, taste and real connection to our world as human beeings makes decions for us as humans? And if the clone is reaching perfection - learning everything from you - who needs you anymore? And last question: All those products - and the AI itself - are owned by superriches, techcompanies, shareholders, financial industry... look at "Social Media" where the world is going : (
(for nerds: "Social Media" ist owned by the same people for making profit. Maria Ressa, Nobelprize: "Without facts, you can't have truth. Without truth, no democracy.”
automated iterative processes driven by human intuition are far more powerful than 'AI' without human input, we have a supercomputer between our ears that exceeds any known technology, but non-human technology can certainly help us accelerate our work by doing what it does well, dumb things very quickly...
Pro engineers have been in the plugin game FOREVER. This AI stuff is just trying to be a "do everything" black box plugin. But the mastering process, really any processing step (Eq, compression, etc) is way too individual for a one-size fits all black box. You need knobs to turn, you need revisions, you can never just "set it and forget it". The problem is fundamentally too complex, there are too many degrees of freedom. So Andrew Scheps can sell me a channel strip, that works, but I can't get Andrew Scheps in a box that is perfect with no revs, because not even Andrews Scheps works without revisions.
The problem is that these AI mastering tools do not work for a wide range of music! Add saturation, turn down some bass and brighten up the highs. That all it did to most tracks I ran through. Poor tool!!!!!!!!!!!
Really great thoughts shared here - like you said, no feedback - maybe your mix or genre isn't compatible for this AI engine / vice versa. Interesting. I guess time will tell. 😀
THAT is exactly the problem with "signature a.i. mastering or signature anything a.i." for that matter. Wes will have to start using his name as a company name rather than a stylized product label. It is different if you have a drum sample library that is named after Neal Peart's actual hardware. You can use his sounds, but you can never say he played drums on your track. And, it is not as if the drum samples were recorded with Neal playing all the articulations live. I think a.i. naming an individual's style, talent, ability, skill, expertise isn't a really good use of a.i. marketing.
You could do the chat part and instead of using your plugins chains, use AI to get productive. Your business could be chatting with the client instead of pushing knobs all day long
I tried it with a hard rock song I mixed recently. The result is quite horrible. It basically removed all "bite" and dynamics, and turned the whole thing into a muddle pink noise wannabe. It did make it soft and easy on the ears, but it ruined the song in the process.
I still don’t like these kinds of services. I don’t want to pay for a mastering service that simply applies a matching EQ and a limiter; I want to know in detail what it’s doing to my track. Also, a cheap price like that will encourage many mediocre musicians to send their subpar mixes, expecting them to magically turn into sonic gold. Human engineers, at least, refuse to work on poor-quality mixes because they can’t accommodate everyone, allowing them to be selective with their clients. Cheap AI mastering also implies an influx of low-quality music into the market, exacerbating the existing situation.
The mastered version sounded pretty good on my laptop speakers - and a lot better than the initial mix. While it wasn't great, it certainly gave a less amateurish/unfinished sound to the track. For a lot of people starting out, that is an advantage when trying to build an audience. While I would say that, as an amateur still learning the basics, I could do a master that sounds better to me; I could also completely mess it up very easily. Sometimes 'okayish but reliable' is good enough.
I admire your open and positive stance on the future of AI on your business and music in general however I dare to differ when it comes to your point about creating more diversity. The algorithms will all pursue 'the best sound' based on what is popular and will be fed to the AI, this will lead to all AI created products sounding more the same, which will then be fed to the AI ect. ect.. creating a feedbackloop of mediocre sounding products.
It does'nt make sense in the long run, because if they become really good at it, then Wez Clarke alone with all the other mastering engineers will be out of a job, the same as any other profession that let the computers and machines take over!
The mastered version is not nice, the high frequencies hurt, it is not just a matter of taste I think, it is way too much. IA mastering definitely does not work. I think you're safe!
That's a hard pass for me. Makes me want to start a business where I plug a song into ozone, charge a monthly fee to do so, and send 30% to some big name that lets me use their name to brand it.
Maturing is realizing that some of the auto mastering websites are literally that.
I find the master really disappointing. It sounds a bit tinny and flat.
I tested other music on it and sounds really really well mastered dude, really
@@axelmaldini4218 I preferred the original mix,cleaner and without all that nasty saturation everyone seems to fall head over heals for nowadays.
That master was awful, it murdered the mix. The master was way over compressed and somehow managed to be both tinny and dull at the same time.
So, it's basically LANDR with a Grammy award winners name tag.
I'm not sure where Abbey Road Studio online mastering falls in the triangle, but as an experiment, I had a song that YOU mastered for me, mastered by their online service.
The results: Theirs wasn't EVEN CLOSE to yours. Your master sounded better by a factor of 100. In fact, I ran the mix through Ozone Mastering Assistant and it sounded the exact same.
This led me to believe they are using either a template that they just slap on, or they just run it through Ozone, despite that a famous named engineer did the "mastering".
So, I'll just stick with you over AI, online mastering, or automation for the foreseeable future.
Just another way of super rich getting an extra buck lol.
Gees the World is a a scam now.
‘He started it because it was he was getting to much work’ looooooooooooooooooooool
Same reason for ARIA
Hello Wytse! Any chance you tell us what track you used? I suppose it is not called "Sanddunes"... Liked it very much and would love to add it to my Spotify playlist. All the best!
I really preferred the sound of the mix before mastering quite a bit, it sounds more open!!
I tried the AI clone on pretty dynamic music. It came back a wreck, overcompressed and with a lift in the highs that was unpleasant. In other words, the result was pretty much the same as yours. Seems to me that the AI mastering process is fixed to one setting. I dont think Wez Clarke work like that. Could it work on EDM? Anyway, very useful review! :)
What I'm wondering here is: Where is the big difference compared to the current Ozone mastering? The result immediately reminded me of Ozone 11. Wider stereo field, heavy compression, more aggressive highs, (tape) saturation. While Ozone is a one-time payment, with this service, I have to pay monthly and get a similar result. Maybe it's due to the source material (mix), but I didn't feel like I was getting "more."
Very interesting topic indeed, I’m demoing Smart Eq and at first I didn’t really like it but after using it better I have to say that it’s pretty good in what it does.
Talking to a A.I. chatbox is definitely coming and the thing is only getting better and better, crazy times ahead indeed 😮
In reverse order, I use WavesFactory "Equalizer," Sonible's Smart De-ess, Sonible's Pure Limit, Brainworx_Refinement (de-harsher) on my Master Buss. Final Mastering I do on CloudBounce a.i. mastering tool, with a lifetime license. I love CloudBounce since you can tweak results and have unlimited masters. It will undergo UI changes as necessary as time goes by, improving user tweakability is key. If it is further integrated with chat, so you can talk to it and get real time verbal/visual feedback, now that would be a horse of a different color!
The great mastering engineers don’t impose “their sound” on your mixes.
Rather they get the most out of your vision and translate it to consumer formats. But it’s still your vision.
I can’t see how Ai ever does that.
What makes you think AI won’t *ever* being able to do that? The pace at which AI (in different fields) are improving is mind-blowing. I don’t think it’s a matter of if, but when will they be able. You’ll likely give “your vision” as a detailed prompt. If it’s not right, edit your prompt and get your newly revised masters in the blink of an eye.
@@G.GordonMidi
AI is scary because it is not “I”, only “A”. It is machine learning, as fallible and ignorant as whoever teaches it. It is a fad. When the dust settles, machine learning will find its place in our systems and society, but it won’t be like you are led to imagine now.
I prefer the mix sound than the mastered!! The mastered sounds too thin and compressed....It sounds like if they applied a smile curve eq, a compressor and a limiter and that's it!!!
yes it is snake oil to milk a few bucks
interesting! I just disagree with the "there will be more variety" thing, I think that´s the main problem, everything tends to sound the same...
What do you think about, it's probably got trained on already good quality mixes (due to he is on the pyramid's top), and not really on the kind of mixes beginner/not pro mixers give?
So it's probably still isnt giving the best to not pro mixing engineers as like to pros
sounds like shattering glass, give me my ears back!
Nah... I tested it with a mix that severely lacked low mids, and it didn't make anything to at least try to solve the issue, just enhanced the highs (which didn't need enhancing at all) and made it louder. No thanks...
This is obviously wrong! Steven Slate released his Grammy winning engineer AI plugin «DAVE PENSADO MIX ADVISOR » over a decade ago.
I loved this version of Sandstorm. Who was this? Couldn’t find the credits anywhere.
😂😂😂
Maybe some day…maybe soon but we are not there yet.
happy new year🎉
Then an A.I. Metallica VST. "Write me a variation of the Master of Puppets album" and I'll just sing the ai created lyrics and claim it's my work.
That's where I imagine all this heading. If so it will be interesting to see how real creatives counter the AI wave to prove their work is their work
Easy, they share the process of creation - or parts of it.
"Lifting" tracks from vinyl and making scratches and beats was only initially alarming, Moog synthesizers scared many classical musicians, Y2K was supposed to kill our computers, a.i. now idiotically seems to be threatening just about anyone's job. Shelf stockers and burger flippers at Amazon and McShit respectively will be gone and replaced by conveyer belts and an ATM at the checkout. Tha'ts for sure. So far.
Black Mirror Mastering
I do not like how it does not offer a volume compensation monitoring option so you can just see what the changes to the mix are.
regarding the pyramid AI doesn't bridge the gap between the top and bottom sections when it comes to tracking... that involves hardware and engineering expertise both of which are outside the software domain
This is basically a decent option for close to 0 budget home producers. Nothing wrong with that. They would likely not even have the budget to get White Sea to do it (don't mean this in a bad way!). As soon as their budgets go up, I think it will be natural to go to the mid level mastering people - they will still be better than what AI can do, at least for a considerable time into the future, and there is always something to be said for giving and getting real feedback.
The Master is a little bright for my taste, but I find most popular music to be mixed too bright. Otherwise it managed to make the track significantly louder without ruining it - which is exactly what mastering is for - if the mix is good. Don't worry, it comes across on TH-cam just fine. Everything that is worth mentioning comes across on TH-cam. Acting like it wouldn't is just annoying at this point. Happy New Year!
Popular music is mixed more bright because of dither from the streaming apps. Better to be a little more crispy than dull sounding
I like this song BTW, rock on whoever that is. And full marks for level balancing the mix and the master, that really helps the A/B. So I thought the mix sounded better than the master. Rounder and smoother which suited the track better IMHO. E.g the master seems to have a lot of extra fizz on the vocal, not really in a good way, and the little guitar chop in the verse was butchered - in the mix it sounded like a real guitar, in the master more like a mangled sample. Or a strangled cat. But I'm listening to this on my DT 1990's so the master may sound better on earbuds I suppose, dunno.
Probably sound a bit better with 10k monitors but the general public listen on 100 dollar speakers.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that this type of service connects home producers to the top engineers... It's and AI software mastering, home producers are getting NOTHING from Wez Clarke here. It's another online automated mastering with fancy name slapped on, but has nothing to do with the actual engineer. Is audio going through his analog chain or something? If it did it would be the first thing they mention, so no it doesn't... and of course it's subscription based... because home producers need to master something literally every day and commit for a year, I mean...
Yeah. It will be hard ethically and legally to give Wes Clarke any legitimate credits for "mastering" your song. Of course, you cannot say that, you will have to give credits to whoever owns the Wes Clarke algorhythm. Stupid, meaningless footnote credits at the end of the day. The advantage for novices to get Wes Clarke level masters, well now, that is enticing. Home recordists do not have the skill or money for pro engineering/mixing/mastering. Period. The CloudBounce Lifetime license is I think around $99 right now. I've seen it on APD for as low as $69 and as high as originally priced at $199. In either case, pay once, master unlimited songs. I would never pay per master. I would never go subscription. I do think this will become a standard feature in future releases of current DAWs (like Logic). I'm hoping Reaper 8 shows us something a.i. mastering option soon.
They sound so similar that you wouldn’t be able to hear the difference without a direct A/B mix
Rage beats hit hard,I enjoy the intensity, but there's something off about the saturation that feels a bit strange idk what it is.Other than that i enjoy the punch in the master, but there's something odd about what the master AI does with the signal.
6/10
The master sounds a bit thinner and more retro. I prefer the untouched mix!
if it was my song i would be pissed...
Hey Wytse, I would love to see a review/demo of the Gain Lab Governor if you have the opportunity!
"Illuminati confirmed" - love it, you're the best!!! 😂
Its similar to chess. It possible to automate mixing with AI, especually in the future, but there is still a place for human chess players ...
But they will never be able to play like a real AI and I am afraid the same will be true for music
Thanks for the video
Being an AI version of a TH-cam commentator, I can reassure you there's no need to worry! Let's return to this topic in 150 years and see how it went on. ❤
I don’t see a big problem. A shit bottom level production will still sound shit after a Grammy AI mastering.
The mix sounded better than the "mastered" version to my ears
I want to see something where you throw in raw stems and tell it rock and it spits out a track now that would be something
Addixtive drums sounding drums
I am no pro, but i have to say it. Master isnt that HUGE Impact that counts. Lets Look back - some famous Musik was just ugly in Sound and rocks out the hell and it sound not great. What realy should be the goal is the Composing and the Arrangement, the focus and building of that track that makes the Musik work or lose. And that is hard to get - becouse of many reasons. You can try and error or you follow a system that is teached by some people but in the end - there are rules to a good Mix. Rules that can make huge difference when following them like - Fokus on the important instruments on "that" moment and make it count. I know its easy said hard done.. if the mix doesnt catch the listener becourse the structure is wrong - NO MASTER will ever get that shit done great. And in some genres you even cannot go for strukture becourse the Genre isnt allowing the rules. The best what we can do is paint the picture with our arrangement that works for us, if we like what we did and scream out of joy - other people can get that feeling too. But if strukture wasnt right its just lose of impact by translation. Musik is a Language of emotion. And some things can be done out of box, some things should be done and some thing we should not do like starting the Track without introduction. And even calculating with numbers 4 6 8 12 16 .. on length and size of parts can have strong impact to the Musik and Mix. Sometimes it just feels wrong becourse of a calculation failure starting the sequenz 1 to early or late. The best teacher of all is: GET OUT OF THE STUDIO, PUT YOUR AS IN THE NEXT CLUB AND PLAY YOUR MUSIK. The reaktion of the crowd and the feeling paint out what is done right or wrong. You can work your as out in Studio to make the momentum of your refrain work for you - but that doesnt mean that it works for the Dancefloor and the crowd. And it does not effect so much how it was masterd. I say it with the truth - if the MIX works the master make it shine. If the Mix doesnt work even the best Master and Gear cant make it count. And Mastering is more like ad contrast and color to the existing mix to make it work on the technical side. Its up to the artist and composer to create magic. If there is no Magic within the Mix - there will be no magic afterwards the Mastering.
The Grateful Dead. Sloppy, mostly unskilled, non-virtuosos, drunk as hell on stage most of the time. Had a cult following since before Woodstock, still being played today. Certainly not the Beatles, but I think a few people really like them. It is the spirit, the energy, the presentation, the very essence of the band that will carry it on to some degree of success, not an Alan Parsons level master. So, for us elitists in the sound biz, we can banter all day about quality of the mix, but when it comes right down to it, for the audience, it is the music, not the sound of the music that counts. So far, I use a.i. "CloudBounce" mastering, Sonible "Smart De-ess," Sonible "Pure Limit," Waves Factory Equalizer. The last 2 are permanently on my Master Buss.
@@kentcantwellMusic I tryed a lot in the end when it comes to Master i choose that chain (SPL VITALIZER when needed), Puigtec Waves EQ, Solid Bus Comp NI, Maag EQ4, Ozone Limiter Maximizer. That Chain does all i can think of in digital Domain. The Vitalizer CAN enhance the Low End give a nice Spread, the Puigtec has that magic curve that makes all sound better, the Bus Comp makes all a bit closer the EQ4 from Maag has that amazing Airband that open up like nothing else. And the Maximizer is just to shoot at reference on -8dbu (Genre tracks are at/close same Level). I like that chain but like always it depend on taste. And somehow my chain change from time to time but this chain has everything to wish for - i would realy love to have it analog but its far to expensive to me. And until my musik is famous pay that bitch with 6000€ is not nessesary. Nobody listen to my musik - so i can easy say that software does it. I dont have my musik in Marketing or online. So first to blame is my bad marketing not the Master. Marketing musik can be easy an very expensive and time eating prozess. And i dont have money and i dont have that much time or talent for marketing. And i am not in a Label or what ever. I only love makeing musik. In the end the listener will not recognize the difference on software or hardware based Master.
AI will inevitably undervalue human work, so the question for you as an audio engineer is, why would you mix/master if income/money isn't a relevant answer anymore,
if we agree on concept we live in a beatuiful world where people should spend their time doing what they enjoy, what purpose you'd have as an audio engineer?
last time I had a chat with AI about analogy of user/AI, they told me I'm a model and they're the painter, and when you think about it it completely redefines roles in the audio industry as well,
listeners may (and will be) obsessed with AI for a while, but they'll inevitably start to seek for actual artists and actual engineers (not their AI copies) in the long run, so question is what exactly are you planning to offer, to yourself to spend time on, not for others in the first place :)
Hmm I do not like the result, I am hearing some harsh high frequencies and it sounds a bit too compressed.
Edit, I was typing this and then you said it lol re the highs. So there you go.
Im not sure why but I expected more life out of it, perhaps it ill be possible in the future. Great review!
Louder isn’t better, louder is just louder. Anyone can just raise a volume and call it a day. Dynamics are more important. I just tried it on one of my acoustic songs. It sounds louder but the bass stopped slicing through the bass. A.i needs work. Try again in like a year or 2
Was listening to the comparison on my Sony WH-1000XM4 to get a consumer perspective. I would say the consumer could not really tell a big difference. But I can tell I like the mix way more than the master (I did not watch your "what I think" part yet to not be influenced by your opinion). The vocal got thin, the mids lack substance and I dont like these artificially sounding airy highs. All of this makes the song sterile and it sounds way less groovy and musical … and tbh thats all its about: The groovy feeling. And that is what the consumer will not hear or be able to define, but feel!
You know that Logic Pro has a built-in Mastering function now, right? And it's free.
Totally cool when I saw this! I expect to see this happen in Reaper 8? Maybe? Otherwise, I will continue to use CloudBounce lifetime.
Um. . . . I'm in the bottom tier of that pyramid - that's okay. This morning I threw an old, old track I made into Logic Pro and turned the "Mastering Assistant" loose on it. As with the A.I. example (actually just a computer program algorithm) it took my track (which I probably made 40 years ago with technology available then - all in the box) boosted the volume and excited the overall sound. I must say I prefer the updated Logic Pro X Mastering Assistant much better. Maybe you'll consider making a video about it some day? Thanks . . . and. . . I like your attitude. It's only a matter of time until you are at the top of that pyramid. Cheers!
Crazy i went to school with Wez
Great mix, terrible master - distorted, aliasing. Probably could do better with free plug-ins.
People in the music industry together with powerful people managing lots of radio stations at once and parts of the production chain, including mastering studios, have done incredible damage to our beloved musical genres over decades... especially since the years 1993/1994. AI may be the next tool in the chain, but much of our modern popular music already suffers from bad writing, bad composition, lifeless productions and way too loud (hot) mastering, as an AI template. One should not be scared about AI mastering bad music. :) Good masterings, done by a human who understands music can turn a good recording, done by humans who understand music into a great song - for humans, and not for the algorithm of streaming-services. The sad truth is that not too many people including those who are in charge of the music biz seem to really understand music or actually care about it any more. Soon we'll be having AI-composed, AI-mastered music. Though it may fool a lot of people and will be successful I doubt it will wow a real music lover completely.
I agree that there will defintely be "junk food a.i. generated music" that some people who don't know any different, or are at a minimal level of musical knowledge, will still bang their poor silly heads to. But that's no different than the cycle of current one hit wonders and those of yesteryear coming and going like cheap annually replaced wall paper in an overpriced cafe. Now, with a.i. at all levels, the music scene will be more heavily populated than ever. I do not see the downside. There's tons of shitty music out there already that fools a lot of people into thinking that it is "good" music that resists being denegrated.
@@kentcantwellMusic I wouldn't go as far as saying there'll be no downside as time will tell and we'll all find out. I can imagine that a market flooding of a.i. music will likely make it even more difficult for real musicians or bands to be evaluated (and not by an a.i.) to still get and sign reasonable(!) record deals and make a living with their music... or will the situation get even more difficult than today? Let's just hope there will be an international binding "non-a.i." / "a.i." certification or label that will mark any music produced with and/or containing a.i. (or not) clear for the public and generally music still worth or more worth producing.
I have noticed over the years that mastering must be seen as a creative process as well.
Yes, music and audio engineering is math, but at some point unusual decisions makes better results. Services like LNDR, Cloudbounce, and some AI, tend to reproduce a sound based on references. It could be a good starting point, but many people expect they'll have the same result like "this artist". In fact, there are so many elements involved, it's nearly impossible to completely trust a generic robot. They must inject some feelings based on creativity.
I use CloudBounce for mastering. I chose it over the others because of its tweakability. They will hopefully upgrade the UI tweaks over time. Their use of "reference mixes" is their only temporary limitation.
A.I is impressive and is coming, and is coming really fast, be ready folks!
I don't hear enough difference to give a preference. Listening on Audeze headphone.
9:33 And (another phrase…) Bob’s your uncle - people from the bottom segment will be drawn in and on the other end the data will be captured to more enhance the top of the pyramid. I think you’ll be alright matey! 👍
this AI mastering stuff is definetly snake oil
99 percent of punters will not notice the difference in reality,it's always about the song.
what is that song it is kind of a banger
This could be accurate for some mixes, but obviously not for all after listening to this demo. AI has a long way to go before they can start digging into my pockets. There is no way I’d pay $30 a month for something that is hit or miss. This is a money grab in my opinion.
Well in 7 years all plugins are taken over by a.i. mastering will be a.i. Popsongs will be A.I. there will be hundreds of new good sounding beatlesongs there will be a spotify that creates music you love next to the artists you love... You will be able to just hum something then turn it into a hitsong of one of your favorite composers...
Yeah... that is going to happen. Then all this, sequencers, mixing consoles... it will be all gone. Except for live performances... I hope...
You're way too pessimistic about this. What is the function of music? Is it a temporary emotional fix for when you're down? For most people, I would venture to say that this is the case. For me, as a pro musician and self producing TH-camr, I sometimes hear really bad mixes and masters from all over the timeline. If there's genuine substance in the content, then sound quality really is secondary. I am using a.i. and analog, and digital processing in my efforts. Rather than feel threatened, I am evolving with the times and grateful every day for the voracity of human innovation. The only thing I want a.i. to completely replace is the human desire for immortality. Our bodies suck. But if our minds could live forever...
I think the real problem will be when we will develop such an habit to AI music to think it's better than human made music.
Technical devices have the only goal of producing something in the fastest way possible.
Art is different and the human way of producing something is different every single time. Art is about a different emotional flow every time we do something.
AI do not have emotions and the fact we do use AI for music means that people don't think emotions are important in music.
Modern music is in fact almost completely technically perfect but un-emotional.
In the end emotions are also run by algorithms in our brains and they can be emulated just as well by AI.
@@larsborst7121Luckily this is totally untrue. Rationality is a function of the brain but the psyche is in large part irrational.
What we explain through science and rationality is not what reality is. What science says is an approximation and in large part a product of the mind of the observer and his way of thinking. This is obvious for modern physics, psychologists and science philosophers.
So no. Emotions are not rational. They can be mimicked by an Ai but they are not emotions.
You are a human, try to learn what separates you from a machine.
@@francescomarrone8466 Yes I am a human and I am very aware of what separates me from a machine, thank you very much. I'm not saying that AI in this moment has anything aching to emotions. But what if AI can mimick emotions in a way that makes it impossible for a human to tell the difference,? Doesn't change a thing about the fact that our emotions originate in the brain in reaction to the environment and the senses just as well. People that develop tumors in parts of the brain that regulate and initiate emotions very often display different emotional behaviour in a profound way. A small structure called the amygdala, that plays an important part in the regulation of fear can lead to increased anxiety when damaged. People in which the amygdala's (there are two identical structures in opposite hemispheres) are completely destroyed cannot not experience fear at all. Alzheimer wrecks the brain and destroys lots and lots of braincells which very often leads to altered emotional behaviour, even up to the point that the character of the patient changes. Demented behaviour can be overemotional, deeply anxious but also constantly elated depending of which parts of the brain are most affected and in which way. And o by the way, I studied science philosophy and a vast majority of modern philosophers ascribe to what neuroscience has discovered about the brain.
@@larsborst7121 I work in the field of philosophy and psychology, that's why I am saying what I am saying. The vision you express is illuministic and positivistic, this vision has been surpassed since at least half of the past century but still guides some scientific research I admit. Go read some Kant
You say emotions are algorythms? Well prove it. No one has proven this. Why? Beacause mathematic is a system that works in his own ecosystem but in no way represents reality as it is.
An AI Is similar to a real human like a videogame Is a representation of reality.
When every men will see himself has an algorythm then, I agree, no one will be able to tell the difference. This does not mean there isn't a difference.
In simplex terms an AI mimicks emotions but does not have emotions. Science does not tell us what reality is, what emotions are. Reflect on this because the positivistic vision is at this point in time surpassed.
Oh c'mon! Good wine. Cheap wine. There will always be a difference between a Big Mac and a fillet mignon. Most people won't even notice or care. Music is such a subjective thing that only producers, engineers, and pro musians lend meanigful critiques. While the hungry masses simply enjoy the beat.
That master could use some soothe 😂
We need AI listeners for this stuff so we all can relax and listen to people’s creativity.
Indeed scary. Also because a lot of people without talent, not professional at all, that maybe also used A.I. to make a tune and used a high setup of autotune and timing correction because they can't sing at all, they are going to have cheap and easy access to top quality product finishing, which will sound probably goed enough to be played in phones and bluetooth speakers and will be populair for its shity lyrics. All will become cheap and fast and It will be a desaster for people with talent that want to invest a bit of time doing something good. Actually we are already a bit at that stage, having Bad Bunny winning been named the composer of the year. The only thing is that behind Bad Bunny there is a lot of money running. But this video shows that this top high sound will be achieved by anyone who has 30 dollars.
Note that I'm not critizating Bad Bunny. this guy does what he does and he is succefull with it. But it is just the way the market moves. Now a days we are just loosing the professional ethics and change it for easy money. Just enough to overload the world with shit and cheap music.
I would only disagree with you on one point: you need to seek out the "good music." It all starts with the one you like, and grow outwards from there. Read the liner notes. Find out who played on the album, who influenced it, produced it, etc. Google the names of the players and find their discographies. A great way to find new to you bands that are in a similar genre you are familiar with. Lame musicians have always been producing lame music. You just need to let them do it, and walk away. No coins in that cup.
But the problem is that lately cheap music generates big money, and musicians and producers needs money too. So you see ofently great musicians and producers working in that kind of projects. I thappena a lot that a stupid song with poor lyrics has a super interesting arrangement and a top quality sound.
Its a very very interesting business vector this days! And, of course its much simple task, for sure for modern neural algorithms. Something like was invented (?) by izotope. Those “tonal balance control” is only what you may use while mix and master. And don’t worry about business loss. AI feature will take on those abusers who don’t what they want.
Would love to see what you think of Hornet Thirty-One MK3.
I can imagine AI doing all the boring work - but what's the point when a software programm without feelings, taste and real connection to our world as human beeings makes decions for us as humans? And if the clone is reaching perfection - learning everything from you - who needs you anymore? And last question: All those products - and the AI itself - are owned by superriches, techcompanies, shareholders, financial industry... look at "Social Media" where the world is going : (
(for nerds: "Social Media" ist owned by the same people for making profit. Maria Ressa, Nobelprize: "Without facts, you can't have truth. Without truth, no democracy.”
automated iterative processes driven by human intuition are far more powerful than 'AI' without human input, we have a supercomputer between our ears that exceeds any known technology, but non-human technology can certainly help us accelerate our work by doing what it does well, dumb things very quickly...
I agree, the highs are not so nice. The nice mids where all the character sits are too low.
Pro engineers have been in the plugin game FOREVER. This AI stuff is just trying to be a "do everything" black box plugin. But the mastering process, really any processing step (Eq, compression, etc) is way too individual for a one-size fits all black box. You need knobs to turn, you need revisions, you can never just "set it and forget it". The problem is fundamentally too complex, there are too many degrees of freedom. So Andrew Scheps can sell me a channel strip, that works, but I can't get Andrew Scheps in a box that is perfect with no revs, because not even Andrews Scheps works without revisions.
after sounds terrible - I dont see how an automated version of AudioSuite render is AI...kind of a joke
It's rent-seeking, but the results aren't so great, are they, certainly not worth a monthly rent. I pay rent for accommodation, and that's it.
Would be a nice experiment to add some wildly "wrong" mixes.
They're yoinking your beats, feeding them into the algorithms so they can eventually generate infinite music.
The music business, is in a strange place. It's hard to plan for anything, now. Too many moving parts.
That master wasnt good. Painful highs.
The problem is that these AI mastering tools do not work for a wide range of music! Add saturation, turn down some bass and brighten up the highs. That all it did to most tracks I ran through. Poor tool!!!!!!!!!!!
I've often been told that I have artificial intelligence...
Yeah no. It made it worse imo
Make friends, record bands 🤠
Agree! Electronic music is soo bland because of no musicians interaction!
Scary future! I am waiting for the tribulation…
Really great thoughts shared here - like you said, no feedback - maybe your mix or genre isn't compatible for this AI engine / vice versa. Interesting. I guess time will tell. 😀
Maybe his mix is already too good. I wonder what mister AI engineer would make out of a not so great mix.
@@TheLotionInTheBasket - Yes, I think that would be a good way to really test whether it can do an impressive job or not.👍
I'm surprised he allowed his name to be attached because In your example -- it doesn't sound good.
THAT is exactly the problem with "signature a.i. mastering or signature anything a.i." for that matter. Wes will have to start using his name as a company name rather than a stylized product label. It is different if you have a drum sample library that is named after Neal Peart's actual hardware. You can use his sounds, but you can never say he played drums on your track. And, it is not as if the drum samples were recorded with Neal playing all the articulations live. I think a.i. naming an individual's style, talent, ability, skill, expertise isn't a really good use of a.i. marketing.
Be interesting to find out what the AI ‘mastered’ mix would sound like if you sent it in as a mix to be AI mastered!
What's happening in the low end it's outta whack
You could do the chat part and instead of using your plugins chains, use AI to get productive. Your business could be chatting with the client instead of pushing knobs all day long
I tried it with a hard rock song I mixed recently.
The result is quite horrible. It basically removed all "bite" and dynamics, and turned the whole thing into a muddle pink noise wannabe.
It did make it soft and easy on the ears, but it ruined the song in the process.
sounds good on my crappy laptop speaker
I still don’t like these kinds of services. I don’t want to pay for a mastering service that simply applies a matching EQ and a limiter; I want to know in detail what it’s doing to my track. Also, a cheap price like that will encourage many mediocre musicians to send their subpar mixes, expecting them to magically turn into sonic gold. Human engineers, at least, refuse to work on poor-quality mixes because they can’t accommodate everyone, allowing them to be selective with their clients. Cheap AI mastering also implies an influx of low-quality music into the market, exacerbating the existing situation.
bet he can also negotiate a better contract and pay as well.... getting wild ...FAST
Yea, your days are numbered. 😁
mastered version sounds worse than the mix, so what are you talking about?
The mastered version sounded pretty good on my laptop speakers - and a lot better than the initial mix. While it wasn't great, it certainly gave a less amateurish/unfinished sound to the track. For a lot of people starting out, that is an advantage when trying to build an audience. While I would say that, as an amateur still learning the basics, I could do a master that sounds better to me; I could also completely mess it up very easily. Sometimes 'okayish but reliable' is good enough.
agree, phones too
Comment for da algorithm
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I admire your open and positive stance on the future of AI on your business and music in general however I dare to differ when it comes to your point about creating more diversity. The algorithms will all pursue 'the best sound' based on what is popular and will be fed to the AI, this will lead to all AI created products sounding more the same, which will then be fed to the AI ect. ect.. creating a feedbackloop of mediocre sounding products.
The vocals in master are a little too airy IMO.
It does'nt make sense in the long run, because if they become really good at it, then Wez Clarke alone with all the other mastering engineers will be out of a job, the same as any other profession that let the computers and machines take over!
The mastered version is not nice, the high frequencies hurt, it is not just a matter of taste I think, it is way too much. IA mastering definitely does not work. I think you're safe!
n my phone sounds great
A.I. is just software.