@zordmaker You have a chance to ride'em again. There's some cars being restored for mainline operations & currently there are volunteer crews willing to be trained to drive them. Historic Electric Traction is gearing up now to accept new volunteer recruits & probably within 2-3 years, the return of the Red Rattler will beckon a new tourist travel for Sydney.
Yeah, agreed. I call em Rusty Old Trains. That is until you put the pan up, Put it on a track, Hit the Go lever,Stand by the door and ride 50 tons of screaming steel down the track at 110kph. I guess for someone who hasnt done that (and lest face it, these things have been off the track now for 16 years) there can be no attachment.
i use to ride these red rattlers all over Sydney and even when i was going to school it is sad to see them go i remember standing at the station you know when the red rattlers were coming you could hear them coming from miles away before you even see them rip red rattlers you will be miss thanks for your years of service
I bought a model of this at the end of last year via Bergs' at Parramatta. Spent 10 years at least waiting for them to be re-released. Im pleased to say that power cars C7516 and C7485 live on, as do trailer cars T4561 and T4620- in H.O form! Only problem is that the model runs really smoothly with barely a sound, unlike the real thing!
@gregbassace1 Hi Greg, thanks so much for the information, I hope to ride on one of these again one day soon I hope, the last time I did was when I was in Sydney for TAFE back in 1987, I use to love the sounds and the smells of these old things. I will checkout the sites you mentioned, thanks again, cheers Dean
@rulestherails Actually, you can!! The Sydney Electric Train Society & Historic Electric Traction are both restoring a good number of red cars for future mainline operations. You can become a volunteer with either or both of these societies...both with one goal: To preserve & restore the vintage electric rollingstock back to the mainline. Check out their websites & be surprised!!
Yes, In the Abondoned Eveleigh Maintenance Centre on the Platform 1 side of Redfern Station, only one Red Rattler Lives on there, connected to a Y Set.
I was there as a bystander on the scrap roads in 1992, watching the destruction of these fine trains. It was a very sad sight, and even 18 years later is still chilling. :-( We can thank the Media and our guttless Politicians for this. :-(
I recognise the music, it's Mark Knopfler's "Going Home" from the movie, Local Hero, though I don't think that's Knopfler performing it. You've got to be careful when putting music on TH-cam videos lately. TH-cam have been known to challenge uploaders on music copyright issues. That's why my uploads contain no embedded music. If I'm editing for DVD, I'll use music, but not for uploads to TH-cam. On second thought, perhaps it was Knopfler! An extended version maybe of Going Home.
Have had to remove a lot of 80s music that I used to put over old videos. Have been worried about the copyright. Have never heard this song before, but instantly though Knopfler. Parts of it sound very much like one of his other songs. TH-cam has a massive range of available music if needed. Took me a good while to realise it :-)
I'm trying to workout the history of red rattler carriage that my cousin is living in on a property, the carriage number is C7526, I workout it would have originally been numbered C3526, but can't find any info on it, anyone have any idea? cheers
Only selected cars had asbestos sheeting in the roofs as insulation. There were two types - White and Blue. The White consisted of preformed sheets which are safe as long as they are not disturbed. The Blue however was blown in and highly dangerous - such that when disposed of, the entire roof was cut off the car and buried as a whole. Of the preserved ones remaining, some still have white but all are stabilised.
What's happening to those DD Tullochs at Redfern? There are 9 there now, all still painted grey, although some have graffiti on them and missing windows. They scrapped a heap of them at Maintrain, however some of these redfern carriages were moved from Maintrain just before they scrapped the others.
It's hard watching 60 years of history and millions of kilometres of railway service just get destroyed like that. Mind you, the day they start cutting up the Tangaras should be a public celebration with free viewing!
Is there any of these left for special nostaligic runs? if there are can some please tell me when the next time they will be on the tracks? love to go for a ride in these old things again, cheers Dean
from 8:45 you can see there heading Sydney Bound Through Kingwood , (those billboards and shops still havent changed along the Great western highway) it's a sad way to See Sydney's history Go
Loved the old rattlers they have a character that todays trains don't.Everything is so plastic like allota the people but thankfully not all.I now live in outback NSW and I hate it when I go to visit my family and see how much it has changed.
Oh well I hope they get things sorted out soon, is there any of stainless steel single deck trains left their a similar vintage to the red ratters but were used on the country service, i remember catching them to Lithgow and to Wyong years ago
it's really sad that the fate of the trains in the abandoned Eveleigh Maintenance Centre (Platfrom 1 side) ended up with the claw. the L,R & S Sets are set to be scrapped next year, in MainTrain in Auburn, or Sims Metal Recyling Plant in St. Marys/Dunheved.
About 40% of the cars were sold as is, most without undergear. A further 30% were disposed of using traditional oxy / cut techniques. Less than 20% met their end using "the claw" which was only bought in when the scrapper fell behind on the contract just before it ended.
@gregbassace1 I've actually had plans drawn up to do that with a Tangara non control carraige, Except with the bedroom upstairs due to the curve on the upper windows. Just awaiting one to come up on tender as the council A-OK'd it. Except planned with Solar power (have a mate that can make the custom solar panel to mould over the roof where the old Air con unit used to sit above the door. been planning it for about 4 years now just have to grab the carraige now for it to happen)
There's plenty of working stock but they aint goin anywhere soon. With Railcorp in deadlock and both competing preservation groups stuck in the mud, it's waiting for someone to break the deadlock before anything happens.
No asbestos in those floors. The Asbestos was in the roofs and none of the cars that were cut up had asbestos in them and / or it was removed before being cut up.
The cars at Petersham are going to be replaced by old V cars. There is a rumour about Dorrigo, but who ever cares what happens up there. The cost between scrap and sale is about the same so if there are buyers who want them they will probably be sold.
@rdrogel Just think about how much room there is in a silver double deck. Once you remove the seats, imagine this: The former driver/guards compartment converted to bathroom with toilet inside the former drivers cab Upstairs is your loungeroom Downstairs is your bedroom Other end is your kitchen At best, the scrap value of these cars minus wheelsets is about $2000ea. With wheelsets, perhaps $5000ea. There's the crane & semi to get your car to your property - about $10000. Still, cheap living.
@Bennyboy1985 Hey I like the Tangara's it's the millenium trains and the K sets I hate, Sad News for you which I heard from RailCorp them selves as I'm going to buy a Tanagra carraige to turn it into a House, They wont be taken off the rails for another 10 years or so they said around 2020 the tangara's will start to come out of service
@@nswtransportfilms Which is good as I love the Tangara’s, Unfortunately 10 years ago being young and green I took what actual then railcorp employees said as gospel these days it’s listened to more with a grain of salt with a wait and see attitude. The Tangara’s look great with the M set style doors and it’ll be awesome if the Tangara Technology upgrade actually hurry’s up and rolls out to the entire T set fleet, Although one must admit one retirement tour I’ll probably head back to Sydney for will be the V Sets (Haven’t lived in Sydney since March 2012 but get down there from the Mid North coast when I can).
Different ideologies coupled with indifference and a dash of laziness. One wants to do everything themselves but has no resources to do so, the other wants to wait for the Government to do everything for them.. and they're still waiting.
Please don't call them "Red Rattlers". That is a MELBOURNE expression that seems to have crept into Sydney after the event. They were never called that in Sydney when they were active. I'm old enough (76) to remember.
In those days it would have gone across at least four generations to edit. Camera (hi 8)-Master tape-Cut tape-Duplicate tape-Archive tape. Offline editing didn't exist.
@CMCHRYSLERVALIANT There are some survivors, Dean, but not able to run due to public liability issues drawn up by the former Labor state government. However, they are still being maintained by a group of volunteers waiting for that day wnen they will return. They're in excellent condition. Please check out my earlier reply of all the cars preserved. Cheers......and thank you so much for your interest. Check out the following sites: SYDNEY ELECTRIC TRAIN SOCIETY HISTORIC ELECTRIC TRACTION.
Loved those old Red Rattlers. 1992 seems so long ago now
Me too I miss the train
Great video.
Some very familiar faces from my era on that rattler tour.
@zordmaker You have a chance to ride'em again.
There's some cars being restored for mainline operations & currently there are volunteer crews willing to be trained to drive them. Historic Electric Traction is gearing up now to accept new volunteer recruits & probably within 2-3 years, the return of the Red Rattler will beckon a new tourist travel for Sydney.
Yeah, agreed. I call em Rusty Old Trains.
That is until you put the pan up, Put it on a track, Hit the Go lever,Stand by the door and ride 50 tons of screaming steel down the track at 110kph. I guess for someone who hasnt done that (and lest face it, these things have been off the track now for 16 years) there can be no attachment.
i use to ride these red rattlers all over Sydney and even when i was going to school
it is sad to see them go i remember standing at the station you know when the red rattlers were coming you could hear them coming from miles away before you even see them rip red rattlers you will be miss thanks for your years of service
I bought a model of this at the end of last year via Bergs' at Parramatta. Spent 10 years at least waiting for them to be re-released. Im pleased to say that power cars C7516 and C7485 live on, as do trailer cars T4561 and T4620- in H.O form! Only problem is that the model runs really smoothly with barely a sound, unlike the real thing!
@gregbassace1 Hi Greg, thanks so much for the information, I hope to ride on one of these again one day soon I hope, the last time I did was when I was in Sydney for TAFE back in 1987, I use to love the sounds and the smells of these old things. I will checkout the sites you mentioned, thanks again, cheers Dean
lived in Sydney's west 1985 to 87, I can dig it even though I've been in WA last 25 years. Run like hell and jump into the open door!
@rulestherails Actually, you can!!
The Sydney Electric Train Society & Historic Electric Traction are both restoring a good number of red cars for future mainline operations. You can become a volunteer with either or both of these societies...both with one goal:
To preserve & restore the vintage electric rollingstock back to the mainline.
Check out their websites & be surprised!!
Yes, In the Abondoned Eveleigh Maintenance Centre on the Platform 1 side of Redfern Station, only one Red Rattler Lives on there, connected to a Y Set.
I was there as a bystander on the scrap roads in 1992, watching the destruction of these fine trains. It was a very sad sight, and even 18 years later is still chilling. :-(
We can thank the Media and our guttless Politicians for this. :-(
I recognise the music, it's Mark Knopfler's "Going Home" from the movie, Local Hero, though I don't think that's Knopfler performing it. You've got to be careful when putting music on TH-cam videos lately. TH-cam have been known to challenge uploaders on music copyright issues. That's why my uploads contain no embedded music. If I'm editing for DVD, I'll use music, but not for uploads to TH-cam. On second thought, perhaps it was Knopfler! An extended version maybe of Going Home.
Have had to remove a lot of 80s music that I used to put over old videos. Have been worried about the copyright.
Have never heard this song before, but instantly though Knopfler. Parts of it sound very much like one of his other songs.
TH-cam has a massive range of available music if needed. Took me a good while to realise it :-)
I'm trying to workout the history of red rattler carriage that my cousin is living in on a property, the carriage number is C7526, I workout it would have originally been numbered C3526, but can't find any info on it, anyone have any idea? cheers
Sorry, I've asked around but this one draws up a blank..
@FiloKuyaBaliw
Taken on a Saturday in July 1993. I'm the one who videoed the scrapping.
Thank you for taking the time to get that footage.
It is depressing, but so historically important.
@@NeathSpadge yes but it makes me sad
Theme from Local Hero makes it just so much sadder..! :(
Only selected cars had asbestos sheeting in the roofs as insulation. There were two types - White and Blue. The White consisted of preformed sheets which are safe as long as they are not disturbed. The Blue however was blown in and highly dangerous - such that when disposed of, the entire roof was cut off the car and buried as a whole. Of the preserved ones remaining, some still have white but all are stabilised.
What's happening to those DD Tullochs at Redfern? There are 9 there now, all still painted grey, although some have graffiti on them and missing windows. They scrapped a heap of them at Maintrain, however some of these redfern carriages were moved from Maintrain just before they scrapped the others.
It's hard watching 60 years of history and millions of kilometres of railway service just get destroyed like that. Mind you, the day they start cutting up the Tangaras should be a public celebration with free viewing!
Is there any of these left for special nostaligic runs? if there are can some please tell me when the next time they will be on the tracks? love to go for a ride in these old things again, cheers Dean
dean r red set f1 and w3 remain operating
from 8:45 you can see there heading Sydney Bound Through Kingwood , (those billboards and shops still havent changed along the Great western highway)
it's a sad way to See Sydney's history Go
This is happening all over again with the S sets and soon V sets.
PN001 and the c sets k sets
Yep, I think K and C sets will go before V sets actually.
@@AussieGunzel C Sets gone, Ks still going strong :D
Its the V sets that'll kill me
Loved the old rattlers they have a character that todays trains don't.Everything is so plastic like allota the people but thankfully not all.I now live in outback NSW and I hate it when I go to visit my family and see how much it has changed.
Which of the car numbers mentioned were sold as sheds?
A part of the 60s growing up has disappeared. Many a day either sweating or freezing my ass off.
I can see the other videos, but the two reds are gone videos don't seem to work.
Oh well I hope they get things sorted out soon, is there any of stainless steel single deck trains left their a similar vintage to the red ratters but were used on the country service, i remember catching them to Lithgow and to Wyong years ago
it's really sad that the fate of the trains in the abandoned Eveleigh Maintenance Centre (Platfrom 1 side) ended up with the claw.
the L,R & S Sets are set to be scrapped next year, in MainTrain in Auburn, or Sims Metal Recyling Plant in St. Marys/Dunheved.
Why is there a deadlock? something to do with safety issues?
About 40% of the cars were sold as is, most without undergear. A further 30% were disposed of using traditional oxy / cut techniques. Less than 20% met their end using "the claw" which was only bought in when the scrapper fell behind on the contract just before it ended.
It's so sad that the hard-pulling red ratters are getting scrapedrip red ratters 1772-1678
Ok cool, thanks so much for your message, please keep me posted
Railcorp have a 5 car set mothballed and SETS have a 4 car set in "sort of" working condition. Neither going anywhere soon.
ZM
Is there anywhere I can download the video from?
Ubu movies!!
In just a few years time, its going to be the Silver one's turn to be scrapped which will be sad to see :(
In Victoria where I live,they are coming back
I'll second that!
would the song in these clips be the theme from Local Hero by mark Knopfler ... cause it sure sounds alot like it
@gregbassace1 I've actually had plans drawn up to do that with a Tangara non control carraige, Except with the bedroom upstairs due to the curve on the upper windows. Just awaiting one to come up on tender as the council A-OK'd it. Except planned with Solar power (have a mate that can make the custom solar panel to mould over the roof where the old Air con unit used to sit above the door. been planning it for about 4 years now just have to grab the carraige now for it to happen)
@zordmaker
And, all that's left of a total fleet of 1,465 cars are 26 red set cars and 11 silver set cars.
I hope that the silver sets doesn't end up like that. I want to see them use as sheds, motel rooms just like red rattlers.
what year where the redbirds made?
There's plenty of working stock but they aint goin anywhere soon. With Railcorp in deadlock and both competing preservation groups stuck in the mud, it's waiting for someone to break the deadlock before anything happens.
Closest guess would be Feb / Mar 03. From memory it was all over by Winter of that year.
mark knopfler - going home
but also a close copy is
dire straits local hero
They actually sold the majority of its carriages to private buyers for as sheds, motel rooms, etc.
No asbestos in those floors. The Asbestos was in the roofs and none of the cars that were cut up had asbestos in them and / or it was removed before being cut up.
What are they? Are they the silver double deckers? They were always heaps better in the 80's when I was a kid
The cars at Petersham are going to be replaced by old V cars. There is a rumour about Dorrigo, but who ever cares what happens up there.
The cost between scrap and sale is about the same so if there are buyers who want them they will probably be sold.
@rdrogel Just think about how much room there is in a silver double deck. Once you remove the seats, imagine this:
The former driver/guards compartment converted to bathroom with toilet inside the former drivers cab
Upstairs is your loungeroom
Downstairs is your bedroom
Other end is your kitchen
At best, the scrap value of these cars minus wheelsets is about $2000ea. With wheelsets, perhaps $5000ea. There's the crane & semi to get your car to your property - about $10000. Still, cheap living.
Scrap / Sale. There are more than enough Tulloch DDs preserved already both public and privatelyn owned.
Farewell old red rattlers
@Bennyboy1985 Hey I like the Tangara's it's the millenium trains and the K sets I hate,
Sad News for you which I heard from RailCorp them selves as I'm going to buy a Tanagra carraige to turn it into a House, They wont be taken off the rails for another 10 years or so they said around 2020 the tangara's will start to come out of service
Come 2021, they are still going strong!
@@nswtransportfilms Which is good as I love the Tangara’s, Unfortunately 10 years ago being young and green I took what actual then railcorp employees said as gospel these days it’s listened to more with a grain of salt with a wait and see attitude. The Tangara’s look great with the M set style doors and it’ll be awesome if the Tangara Technology upgrade actually hurry’s up and rolls out to the entire T set fleet, Although one must admit one retirement tour I’ll probably head back to Sydney for will be the V Sets (Haven’t lived in Sydney since March 2012 but get down there from the Mid North coast when I can).
@@TheAussieBusman Oh yeah definitely! It will feel so incomplete without the V Sets!
Different ideologies coupled with indifference and a dash of laziness. One wants to do everything themselves but has no resources to do so, the other wants to wait for the Government to do everything for them.. and they're still waiting.
goodbye red rattlers... we will remember you as a good 1st floor train... it's time to say goodbye...
4:21
The devil destroying a train
They're back now
yeh. Only just tho... :-)
Oh. I thought some were going to Sets or Dorrigo, or going to be used for fire training..
Ingleburn is as 8:20.. I'd know that railbridge and KFC anywhere :P
ARR school days.....
Please don't call them "Red Rattlers". That is a MELBOURNE expression that seems to have crept into Sydney after the event. They were never called that in Sydney when they were active. I'm old enough (76) to remember.
Ok cool, maybe one day they might hit the tracks again
This vhs has been copied many times, based on how many colour lines that are missing from the top of the screen, and all the colour bleed
In those days it would have gone across at least four generations to edit. Camera (hi 8)-Master tape-Cut tape-Duplicate tape-Archive tape. Offline editing didn't exist.
@@zordmaker I'm guessing the master tapes are long gone now?
yeah but the doors on them must have been impressive for the time.
4:20 NO! What are they doing!?!
The reds look sad ):
Tommy Emmanuel
The L.R and S sets will go this year until 2014, then the V's will go around 2021
S sets will go by 2019 not 2014 V sets will stay until 2022
Welp, it's 2021 now! S and C Sets gone, Vs and Ks still chilling
@gmaher1959 Head down to the west towards cambeltown , then youll see em hit over 100 easily , their rolling speed was faster than the engine :P
this is just sad tbh
these units going to waste
Man i cant wait til they have the same thing with them new millenium trains lol. i know how ya feel....
I thought scaped by burning?
They are steel.
:(
@CMCHRYSLERVALIANT
There are some survivors, Dean, but not able to run due to public liability issues drawn up by the former Labor state government. However, they are still being maintained by a group of volunteers waiting for that day wnen they will return. They're in excellent condition.
Please check out my earlier reply of all the cars preserved.
Cheers......and thank you so much for your interest.
Check out the following sites:
SYDNEY ELECTRIC TRAIN SOCIETY
HISTORIC ELECTRIC TRACTION.
Try ' em again later. Sounds like a UTube issue to me.
@CosmoKramer82 Local hero. dire straits do a better version.
i don't like today's train design, they all look like the tangaras!
Tangaras actually had a very bold design in my opinion, the trains that came after had all the good bits removed!