Use my O connecter to toggle my DPDT 80amp contactor on my 120v whole house subpanel. My Shelly EM controls the contactor 120vfeeds from my solar/generator shed or from my grid to all the 120Breakers in the subpanel.
5:55 that's useful here in Europe since in most cases your breaker panel is not so close to the electricity meter... so if you're taking too much power you can set the shelly to open the circuit before it's done by the electricity meter. Or another smart use is to connect a buzzer to the output pin so you hear an alarm when there's an overconsumption.
Interesting. Definitely way different panels there than compared to what I am used to. I am not one for trusting a smart breaker though when servicing a circuit.
@@digiblurDIY yes absolutely, I wouldn't trust this either. But if you connect a spring release coil module to the output pin of the shelly, it'll be the the shelly to tell the coil to open the circuit breaker.
This video is a bit old but I think it's still relevant. I've been debating between Shelly, IOtawatt, Sense, and Lantern - a home made kit recently developed. The Lantern would be cheaper and yet covers each circuit individually but I'm going with the 6-channel you mentioned from CircuitSetup because I have three panels to monitor. This video was the first I heard of it and I think it'll suit my needs perfectly. Thanks!
I haven't heard of the Lantern one, but I can say out of the others, especially Sense, I'd rock my 6 channel expandable. I do have a full setup and calibration video on the 6 channel one. Not a whole lot has changed except the Watts is not templated anymore, the software was fixed on that and the IC does the proper calculations now.
@@digiblurDIY Yeah, I went straight to your other video as soon as I saw this one! I really appreciate the research and will pass these links to others after I get mine set up (already ordered).
Just got some ShellyEm myself, mostly to monitor my EV charging and logging info. One thing that could be done with a relay breaker could be to turn on the EV charging during the cheap rate hours and shutoff after. But I also didn't find any breaker that would have that feature.
Yeah, out of all the breaker panels I've been in I've never seen those either. Only worked on ones in the US though. The idea of the power monitoring shutting off the breaker at overload is a decent idea but they are already designed to trip at overload.
You can't use a breaker as a switch. Breakers are rated and listed for overload protection only. In the EU you can find DIN mountable line level switches. These must be protected by breakers.
Thank you for a great video. Is it possible to control the actuator output by current level detection? E.g. when current is over 5A then the output is activated. Then I can control other things in my house. Thank you very much!
I haven't used this with the stock firmware myself but you'd need to dig around the web interface and see if there is an automation for that. shelly.cloud/documents/user_guide/shelly_em.pdf
For whole house monitoring do you use 2 CT clamps one for each legs for each US home breaker for total of 240volts? Will one CT clamps works for whole house measuring power usage? Also does this clamps bi-directional?
Hi, any chance you could do another video on Node-red connected to Zoneminder please? I’m really struggling getting a flow working to motion detect and then turn on a light? Iv got Hassio running on unraid with Hassio node-red addon. Zoneminder a separate docker and integrated with Hassio. Appreciate any info thanks. Cheers
Nice done video thankyou! I'm a beginner to Shelly EM and just got one. I wander if Shelly EM could monitoring a solar battery and when battery is low disconnect the converter? but how can the Shelly knows it is time to shut off? I explain better, I have an off-grid solar system, charge controller and converter with 12v battery. Winter no so much sun in middle Sweden so if I have the converter on all the time it will discharge the battery. Maybe you or some one has an idea? Thankyou
@@fabioESER Hi, You see someone say it is possible withj some automations. I have been thinking if putting one Shelly 1pm between the battery and the charge controller, shelly 1pm has one contactor so you could disconnect the controller or? Putting it just on the cables before controller. and set weekly schedule.
@@fabioESERI don't know if the controller will shutdown the inverter or it will drain the battery? I thinking that we don't have so much sun in Sweden winter time. Do you think the controller Triron will shutdown to save the battery?
@@digiblurDIY thanks. I had a lot of issues getting the Dimmers to flash. I had previously watched the vid you posted and that's what inspired me to flash my Shellys with Tasmota. I -- like you -- like to keep the number of different systems I support to a minimum if possible. The Shelly firmware also seems a bit clunky in my case in that it falls on and off wifi from time to time.... and I have a very solid unifi system in my home that has no issues otherwise. Anyway, I finally got the Dimmer 2 flashed, but only after a lot of research and trial and error. It would flash fine, but only the on/off button was showing in the UI. Finally used this thread github.com/arendst/Tasmota/issues/6914 and the post by daxy01 and it worked.
You would need to flash it Tasmota or something as the calibration would be off. I don't know if they enabled the ability to modify the calibration in stock firmware.
Check the page for the latest updates but I did see him talking in Discord that he is make several a day and shipping them out. circuitsetup.us/index.php/product/expandable-6-channel-esp32-energy-meter/
I shipped 14 orders yesterday, still making more boards. If you ordered an add-on board I've only been able to ship 12 out of 20 of those those so far. I'm waiting on some custom headers (11mm long, 20p), which should be in shortly.
Thanks for another great video... do you know how to get total KWh per day without cloud (MQTT doesn't send total). You can get Total from HTTP but not sure if it resets daily or how to trigger a reset. I have it connected to Home Assistant and InfluxDB if that helps (still trying to see if InfluxDB/Grafana can do it).
@@digiblurDIY i'm trying that, but its not working as MQTT only offers Watts, not KWh which the utility_meter needs. I've tried integration sensor, but not having luck with that either :(
Ahh..that's right I was confusing it with the ESPHome component of things. Maybe this thread might help? community.home-assistant.io/t/calculate-realtime-kwh-units-of-electricity-consumption-from-power-w-sensor/93573/7
Great. Thank you. I work in an environment where code and other regulations are strictly enforced (academic situation). I have been trying to find out if ANY Shelly products are listed for US use. CE is never acceptable in our jurisdiction. Do you see any making that says "UL" or "UR" on the enclosure of any of your Shelly devices? I can't get an answer from the company. They just keep talking about CE. Anyone who understands the US NFPA would know that CE is useless. I really want to try these things but without a "listing" I am dead in the water.
There are some of their devices that are UL if you require them. shelly.cloud/product/wifi-smart-home-automation-shelly-25-switch-relay-roller-shutter/
Now explain how I undo years of working with Motos :) but funny thing is I sat and said Moto and Mota over and over and they sound the same. Guessing due the accent of cutting off some vowels..
I've had a great experience with a similar product called the IotaWatt (opensource software!) that has more CT channels and feed it to InfluxDB + Grafana.
It only has one voltage reference option but in a split phase I believe it should work given the voltage is the same just out of phase. I only have one of their clamps so I wasn't unable to test in a whole home setup.
@@digiblurDIY Would be nice if someone could write a script to do the math and give kwh usage of both clamps combined and bring into ha as an mqtt sensor. Just thinkin outloud im gonna get one with 2 ct clamps , i bet someone writes something for esp home or tasmota pretty quick. 60 bucks for 2 clamps and plug and play hardware is a pretty good deal. Thanks for the info and video!
Yep, decent little product for price, don't get me wrong it is a worthy device. Definitely a go to for an easy dryer monitoring for folks that didn't want to do the pure DIY one, and great for people that just want to do 2 channels. You can of course add another to get another 2 channels of course. Which might not be a bad idea to grab both voltage references in a split phase config. You do have to consider costs as well though when doing that project. I'd love to see them expose the calibration settings in the config for the unit as well as possibly doing a 4 or 6 channel down the line. That would be great!
@@digiblurDIY Ok, I guess i am reading the manual wrong.? In the manual it shows what i thought was the ability to connect 2 ct clamps and i assume read separate power info on each . Is this not the case ? Will 1 shelly em with 2 ct clamps not read each reference in a split phase setup? If not the shelly em is definitely not for me.
Quote from manual " The Dual WiFi Energy Meter, Shelly® EM by Allterco Robotics is intended to be mounted into a standard in-wall console or next to the breakers, in order to monitor the electric power through it, independent for each channel and heavy-duty contactor control."
Man, I love your videos. Seriously. But, I am not trying to be offensive here but why do you pronounce tasmota ending with an o, rather than an a? This annoys while watching any video of yours which makes use of tasmota software. Perhaps this has to do with the English language not being my first language, in all honesty. Again, I am not trying to attack you. Just wondering.
Talked about this many times and even picked on myself with it. Probably a combination of my accent from this area combined with working with Motorola products too much and we called them Moto or Motos all the time. So it just stuck and roles into Tasmota. Old habits don't die unfortunately.
Seriously who give a crap the man made a great video and you worry about how he talks? WOW! Why not make your own video so we can Critique how you talk!
Great to learn the antenna is already detached - makes it super easy to extend it outside the panel
Oooooo... I like it!
Just remember that the antenna will be at mains potential. NOT very safe!
Use my O connecter to toggle my DPDT 80amp contactor on my 120v whole house subpanel. My Shelly EM controls the contactor 120vfeeds from my solar/generator shed or from my grid to all the 120Breakers in the subpanel.
5:55 that's useful here in Europe since in most cases your breaker panel is not so close to the electricity meter... so if you're taking too much power you can set the shelly to open the circuit before it's done by the electricity meter. Or another smart use is to connect a buzzer to the output pin so you hear an alarm when there's an overconsumption.
Interesting. Definitely way different panels there than compared to what I am used to. I am not one for trusting a smart breaker though when servicing a circuit.
@@digiblurDIY yes absolutely, I wouldn't trust this either. But if you connect a spring release coil module to the output pin of the shelly, it'll be the the shelly to tell the coil to open the circuit breaker.
This video is a bit old but I think it's still relevant. I've been debating between Shelly, IOtawatt, Sense, and Lantern - a home made kit recently developed. The Lantern would be cheaper and yet covers each circuit individually but I'm going with the 6-channel you mentioned from CircuitSetup because I have three panels to monitor. This video was the first I heard of it and I think it'll suit my needs perfectly. Thanks!
I haven't heard of the Lantern one, but I can say out of the others, especially Sense, I'd rock my 6 channel expandable. I do have a full setup and calibration video on the 6 channel one. Not a whole lot has changed except the Watts is not templated anymore, the software was fixed on that and the IC does the proper calculations now.
@@digiblurDIY Yeah, I went straight to your other video as soon as I saw this one! I really appreciate the research and will pass these links to others after I get mine set up (already ordered).
Just got some ShellyEm myself, mostly to monitor my EV charging and logging info. One thing that could be done with a relay breaker could be to turn on the EV charging during the cheap rate hours and shutoff after. But I also didn't find any breaker that would have that feature.
Yeah, out of all the breaker panels I've been in I've never seen those either. Only worked on ones in the US though. The idea of the power monitoring shutting off the breaker at overload is a decent idea but they are already designed to trip at overload.
You can't use a breaker as a switch. Breakers are rated and listed for overload protection only. In the EU you can find DIN mountable line level switches. These must be protected by breakers.
Its capable to measure bidirectional current? woud be return energy on 8:18 ?
Would be good as a timer for hot water systems to turn off power to them
Thank you for a great video. Is it possible to control the actuator output by current level detection? E.g. when current is over 5A then the output is activated. Then I can control other things in my house. Thank you very much!
I haven't used this with the stock firmware myself but you'd need to dig around the web interface and see if there is an automation for that. shelly.cloud/documents/user_guide/shelly_em.pdf
FYI , anything with 120 amp ct clamps is preorder only. They only have 50 amp ct clamps available now i guess.
For whole house monitoring do you use 2 CT clamps one for each legs for each US home breaker for total of 240volts? Will one CT clamps works for whole house measuring power usage? Also does this clamps bi-directional?
for split phase US power, you need two CT clamps.
Hi, any chance you could do another video on Node-red connected to Zoneminder please? I’m really struggling getting a flow working to motion detect and then turn on a light? Iv got Hassio running on unraid with Hassio node-red addon. Zoneminder a separate docker and integrated with Hassio. Appreciate any info thanks. Cheers
I don't use Zoneminder myself, I use Blue Iris.
digiblurDIY . Ah sorry, memory failing me, I thought I had seen on one of your unraid orientated videos a Zoneminder docker. Cheers for replying
Thanks for this video, that's great. I would like to know if some of you know how you download the saved consumption data?
Nice done video thankyou!
I'm a beginner to Shelly EM and just got one.
I wander if Shelly EM could monitoring a solar battery and when battery is low disconnect the converter?
but how can the Shelly knows it is time to shut off?
I explain better, I have an off-grid solar system, charge controller and converter with 12v battery.
Winter no so much sun in middle Sweden so if I have the converter on all the time it will discharge the battery.
Maybe you or some one has an idea?
Thankyou
Yeah you could do that with some automations.
You can not use those clamps for DC power. Batteries and solar pannels are DC and inverters are AC.
@@fabioESER Hi,
You see someone say it is possible withj some automations.
I have been thinking if putting one Shelly 1pm between the battery and the charge controller, shelly 1pm has one contactor so you could disconnect the controller or?
Putting it just on the cables before controller. and set weekly schedule.
@@miguelhurtado3873 But if you have a controller why dont you let the controller do its jogo? 🤷♂️
@@fabioESERI don't know if the controller will shutdown the inverter or it will drain the battery? I thinking that we don't have so much sun in Sweden winter time. Do you think the controller Triron will shutdown to save the battery?
did you ever flash this with Tasmota??
Yes. See below for the template and process. github.com/yaourdt/mgos-to-tasmota
I did it in the video here - th-cam.com/video/_oRr8FZyyQ0/w-d-xo.html
@@digiblurDIY thanks. I had a lot of issues getting the Dimmers to flash. I had previously watched the vid you posted and that's what inspired me to flash my Shellys with Tasmota. I -- like you -- like to keep the number of different systems I support to a minimum if possible. The Shelly firmware also seems a bit clunky in my case in that it falls on and off wifi from time to time.... and I have a very solid unifi system in my home that has no issues otherwise. Anyway, I finally got the Dimmer 2 flashed, but only after a lot of research and trial and error. It would flash fine, but only the on/off button was showing in the UI. Finally used this thread github.com/arendst/Tasmota/issues/6914 and the post by daxy01 and it worked.
Do we have to use the Shelly clamp, or is the EM compatible with the blue clamp?
You would need to flash it Tasmota or something as the calibration would be off. I don't know if they enabled the ability to modify the calibration in stock firmware.
Any idea when the 6ch boards will start shipping again?
Check the page for the latest updates but I did see him talking in Discord that he is make several a day and shipping them out. circuitsetup.us/index.php/product/expandable-6-channel-esp32-energy-meter/
they said 2 weeks when i was on there site last week.
I shipped 14 orders yesterday, still making more boards. If you ordered an add-on board I've only been able to ship 12 out of 20 of those those so far. I'm waiting on some custom headers (11mm long, 20p), which should be in shortly.
@@jdeg2000 cool. I'm still looking for compatible 200A CTs that don't cost a $$$.
Thanks for another great video... do you know how to get total KWh per day without cloud (MQTT doesn't send total). You can get Total from HTTP but not sure if it resets daily or how to trigger a reset. I have it connected to Home Assistant and InfluxDB if that helps (still trying to see if InfluxDB/Grafana can do it).
I've used this one to get the total per day. www.home-assistant.io/components/utility_meter/
@@digiblurDIY i'm trying that, but its not working as MQTT only offers Watts, not KWh which the utility_meter needs. I've tried integration sensor, but not having luck with that either :(
Ahh..that's right I was confusing it with the ESPHome component of things. Maybe this thread might help? community.home-assistant.io/t/calculate-realtime-kwh-units-of-electricity-consumption-from-power-w-sensor/93573/7
Great. Thank you. I work in an environment where code and other regulations are strictly enforced (academic situation). I have been trying to find out if ANY Shelly products are listed for US use. CE is never acceptable in our jurisdiction. Do you see any making that says "UL" or "UR" on the enclosure of any of your Shelly devices? I can't get an answer from the company. They just keep talking about CE. Anyone who understands the US NFPA would know that CE is useless. I really want to try these things but without a "listing" I am dead in the water.
There are some of their devices that are UL if you require them. shelly.cloud/product/wifi-smart-home-automation-shelly-25-switch-relay-roller-shutter/
the shelly uses Amps to calc the wattage.
so its there, but hidden by math
hi! , do you know if the model Shelly 2.5 is it possible to make a scene that the trigger is the voltage value consumed?
Yes, it's just a daily total value that comes across during each sensor output. Set your automation to trigger off of that.
Repeat after me: TAS-MO-TA. It's an 'A' at the end :D
Now explain how I undo years of working with Motos :) but funny thing is I sat and said Moto and Mota over and over and they sound the same. Guessing due the accent of cutting off some vowels..
@@digiblurDIY Hypnosis :D
I've had a great experience with a similar product called the IotaWatt (opensource software!) that has more CT channels and feed it to InfluxDB + Grafana.
Depends on the resolution and number of channels you need. Circuitsetup.us one I did a review on is 16 bit and 42 channels.
Great Video ! I was gonna go the 6 channel route but like the plug and play of this one. So the shelly will not combine both channels for whole home?
It only has one voltage reference option but in a split phase I believe it should work given the voltage is the same just out of phase. I only have one of their clamps so I wasn't unable to test in a whole home setup.
@@digiblurDIY Would be nice if someone could write a script to do the math and give kwh usage of both clamps combined and bring into ha as an mqtt sensor. Just thinkin outloud im gonna get one with 2 ct clamps , i bet someone writes something for esp home or tasmota pretty quick. 60 bucks for 2 clamps and plug and play hardware is a pretty good deal. Thanks for the info and video!
Yep, decent little product for price, don't get me wrong it is a worthy device. Definitely a go to for an easy dryer monitoring for folks that didn't want to do the pure DIY one, and great for people that just want to do 2 channels. You can of course add another to get another 2 channels of course. Which might not be a bad idea to grab both voltage references in a split phase config. You do have to consider costs as well though when doing that project.
I'd love to see them expose the calibration settings in the config for the unit as well as possibly doing a 4 or 6 channel down the line. That would be great!
@@digiblurDIY Ok, I guess i am reading the manual wrong.? In the manual it shows what i thought was the ability to connect 2 ct clamps and i assume read separate power info on each . Is this not the case ? Will 1 shelly em with 2 ct clamps not read each reference in a split phase setup? If not the shelly em is definitely not for me.
Quote from manual " The Dual WiFi Energy Meter, Shelly® EM by Allterco Robotics
is intended to be mounted into a standard in-wall console or
next to the breakers, in order to monitor the electric power
through it, independent for each channel and heavy-duty contactor control."
Man, I love your videos. Seriously. But, I am not trying to be offensive here but why do you pronounce tasmota ending with an o, rather than an a? This annoys while watching any video of yours which makes use of tasmota software. Perhaps this has to do with the English language not being my first language, in all honesty. Again, I am not trying to attack you. Just wondering.
Talked about this many times and even picked on myself with it. Probably a combination of my accent from this area combined with working with Motorola products too much and we called them Moto or Motos all the time. So it just stuck and roles into Tasmota. Old habits don't die unfortunately.
@@digiblurDIY no problem, I was just curious why. Thanks again for the video 👍
Will keep trying to correct it as I have in some videos but of course I will still pick on myself for doing it. Thanks for the reminder!
I can live with it. All the great content you share with us, you can say it however you like! Keep up the good work Travis.
Seriously who give a crap the man made a great video and you worry about how he talks? WOW! Why not make your own video so we can Critique how you talk!