Sentimental memories for me - it was one of the signs I was asked about when I took my driving test back in 1983. I was delighted when I actually found one in the wild.
Interesting video! These signs were actually my favourite as a child as they were somewhat rare and I thought they looked cute (especially as in the Netherlands the arrows are shorter and thicker).
There was one of these signs in my town, where on a 2 lane one-way system there is a pedestrian refuge. But it was replaced by a blank bollard a few years back, dispite it being corrected. I think it should remain, as it is useful in some situations
One context this could be useful is at a roundabout in those big road cycling races like the Tour De France. If all the cyclists in the peloton only went one side, it could get very congested.
The sign that I see used incorrectly that grinds my gears is using the blue "end of parking on the kerb / pavement" to suggest a prohibition, especially when it disagrees with the position of paint marked bays.
Have you seen "Malcolm" (1986)? chances are the DVD boxart will spoil a gag from the film which also shows where this sign could be taken as a literal instruction
There are many I've seen, and mostly noticed because they've been incorrectly used, where you're not going to get to the same destination on either side (unless you want to go a very long way around, of course...)
It does look a bit unusual, its weird that highway planners didn't think twice before installing and they're the ones who should know the law, so on this occasion yes i think it should be scrapped or the meaning changed to the common use of the sign
Stay, but use correctly, and only correctly. Where it is used correctly it results in a more even split of traffic & thus more efficient use of road space.
I never understood why the highway code adds the clause "to reach the same destination" for this sign. I've seen it (mis)used where the destination is different, but why is that a problem? That use is still logically consistent with the established meanings of the blue circle white angled down arrows.
Probably not much point in having a sign this niche on the books. But rather than retire it I think a better solution would be to redefine it so it can in fact be used at a point where two lanes of traffic split off into different directions. If it’s being used wrongly for this purpose so often, there must be some value in it. In terms of correct applications for the sign currently in situ, I’m only aware of one, on Neville Street in Newcastle.
Much like the belisha beacons this sign seems to be an almost exclusively british phenomenon. I don't see the use and would suggest to look over to germany where there is either a pass to the right sign over a top left to bootom right chevron or in this specific case you'd probably just see a chevron that goes down toward both sides to indicate both being alright for use.
Not just the pass either side sign that is used incorrectly - I see lots of junctions with a blank on the bollard instead of a keep left. I also saw a keep left on a roundabout instead of a turn left. We should keep the pass either side to reach same destination sign (it seems to be used internationally - not a quirk of Britain) but use it properly, IMHO 😊
I'm not convinced that, just because some professional people don't understand how to implement this sign correctly, its a good reason not to have it available. I think there are times it is useful. Maybe just train the professionals better.
I feel that sign designing should have more rigorous standards rather than getting rid of or broadening the definition of a sign that does have useful applications. Sign design is both an art and a safety measure. It needs appropriate qualifications.
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It could go either way with me.
Sentimental memories for me - it was one of the signs I was asked about when I took my driving test back in 1983. I was delighted when I actually found one in the wild.
Interesting video! These signs were actually my favourite as a child as they were somewhat rare and I thought they looked cute (especially as in the Netherlands the arrows are shorter and thicker).
There was one of these signs in my town, where on a 2 lane one-way system there is a pedestrian refuge. But it was replaced by a blank bollard a few years back, dispite it being corrected.
I think it should remain, as it is useful in some situations
I guess it could make sense for car park barriers where there are multiple barriers for the same direction?
Ive seen one of the signs behind you bryn at a little stone bridge over Warrington way.. excellent video again..
Sign says pass both sides, this is an order! Hit the thing in the middle...
One context this could be useful is at a roundabout in those big road cycling races like the Tour De France. If all the cyclists in the peloton only went one side, it could get very congested.
The sign that I see used incorrectly that grinds my gears is using the blue "end of parking on the kerb / pavement" to suggest a prohibition, especially when it disagrees with the position of paint marked bays.
More sign and sign history videos, please!
For sure!
Have you seen "Malcolm" (1986)? chances are the DVD boxart will spoil a gag from the film which also shows where this sign could be taken as a literal instruction
The "SIGN NOT IN USE" sign seems pretty pointless to me as clearly it is in use to tell drivers that it is not in use.
I’ve seen lots of pointless signs no matter where I go to. And it makes me wonder why we still have them dotted all over the country.
Never even seen this one in the wild.
I thought it mean my near side wheels went to the left and my offside ones to the right. Guess where the bollard ended up
That only applies if you are in a cartoon.
Can't think of an example that I've seen, or perhaps paid attention to.
I think there are a few examples in London where there are pedestrian islands or other street furniture on one way streets.
There are many I've seen, and mostly noticed because they've been incorrectly used, where you're not going to get to the same destination on either side (unless you want to go a very long way around, of course...)
Thanks for your excellent work. You are providing a valuable public service.
It does look a bit unusual, its weird that highway planners didn't think twice before installing and they're the ones who should know the law, so on this occasion yes i think it should be scrapped or the meaning changed to the common use of the sign
I see this sign misused so often in Aberdeen! It's strange this was recommended to me now then. Always where two lanes go in different directions!
Yes, it's a ditch it from me. It's that or change its meaning. There are so few opportunites where it can be used as intended
Stay, but use correctly, and only correctly.
Where it is used correctly it results in a more even split of traffic & thus more efficient use of road space.
Awesome video. I will check your others. 😊
I never understood why the highway code adds the clause "to reach the same destination" for this sign.
I've seen it (mis)used where the destination is different, but why is that a problem? That use is still logically consistent with the established meanings of the blue circle white angled down arrows.
Nice short video Bryn.
Probably not much point in having a sign this niche on the books. But rather than retire it I think a better solution would be to redefine it so it can in fact be used at a point where two lanes of traffic split off into different directions. If it’s being used wrongly for this purpose so often, there must be some value in it.
In terms of correct applications for the sign currently in situ, I’m only aware of one, on Neville Street in Newcastle.
Much like the belisha beacons this sign seems to be an almost exclusively british phenomenon. I don't see the use and would suggest to look over to germany where there is either a pass to the right sign over a top left to bootom right chevron or in this specific case you'd probably just see a chevron that goes down toward both sides to indicate both being alright for use.
Not just the pass either side sign that is used incorrectly - I see lots of junctions with a blank on the bollard instead of a keep left. I also saw a keep left on a roundabout instead of a turn left. We should keep the pass either side to reach same destination sign (it seems to be used internationally - not a quirk of Britain) but use it properly, IMHO 😊
I am now going to search out these signs and their incorrect usage! 😜
I'm not convinced that, just because some professional people don't understand how to implement this sign correctly, its a good reason not to have it available.
I think there are times it is useful.
Maybe just train the professionals better.
I feel that sign designing should have more rigorous standards rather than getting rid of or broadening the definition of a sign that does have useful applications. Sign design is both an art and a safety measure. It needs appropriate qualifications.
Bryn you are right, it is a pointless sign and should be thrown out.
Most pointless video?
Thanks for the views!