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The American prison system IN GENERAL should absolutely not be for profit. It's absurd.
Good thing it ain't. The prison system by and large is a drain on the economy.
@@FUnzzies1 it's a large drain on our government because of for profit prisons. We're paying private companies to lock these people up and they're taking advantage of it. You should watch John Oliver's video on it... It's really good.
@@allieboucher John Oliver throws huge amounts of bias in his videos. For profit prisons are only a small small percentage of prisons in the US.
@@FUnzzies1 So it is okay that people make money on locking people up, just becasue they are a small percentage? 7 percent of state and 18 percent of federal is 7 and 18 percent too much.
@@rosstaylor1137 yes, someone has to run prisons. I for one don't mind gaurds getting paid.
The entire private prison "industry" is a problem. Bail is just one of many issues.
Yeah its a shame, but hey everything is set against a person once they commit a crime they are just a criminal not even human anymore. No rehabilitation just a way for criminals to become more violent or even more smart at criminal life.
yes how dare there be private anything right, private property, private wealth, in fact just send me everything you have you so wont be burdened by this scourge of privatization
@@schwarzwald6672 You guys are so right, we're clearly incentivizing bad behavior and then somehow wondering why it happened, just putting bandaid after bandaid on a gaping wound of a system. If you guys haven't seen it and want to be extremely depressed check out the documentary 13th on Netflix about all this and its entrenchment with absurdly racist policy making.
Private prisons have nothing to do with the Bail system. I can agree private prison are a problem i can even agree the bail system could be better. Point is there not comparable really. Also i don't know if this bill is the answer algorithms have flaws it's know just look to social media as an example. Take that lady that got the robbery charge she would of failed that system and would of had to sit in jail. While bail gave her the means to get out. Is the bail system perfect no but i don't know if this is the way to fix it.
@@ngsomeguy arguing against private prison systems doesn't mean you're against everything that is private
use your brain, think a little bit
The fact you ar innocent until proven guilty but still pay to get out of jail is insanity
well it's not that insane if you get the money back.
@@danmacaluso6674 money you often dont have in the first place... whats even the point of bail? It literally does nothing if someone has enough money...
@@danmacaluso6674 that's only if you pay the full bail amount yourself. What if your bail is set at $10k+, can you afford to be without that for a few months? You'd also have to pay for an attourney in the meantime too. A lot of people wouldn't be able to, especially those getting arrested who are statistically more likely to be below poverty lines.
If not then you have to pay a bail bondsman 10% (usually, I've seen 5% though) of the bail price and you don't get that back. It's the fee they charge you to cover full bail which they then collect after your appear in court. It's one of those "It costs a lot to be poor" situations.
@Zothan OG whad do you mean by "So why can’t you pay for bail?" you know that not everyone has that money on them?
@Zothan OG whats the point of that? Whats the point of having bail system at all could you tell me?
"and like any normal teenager celebrating their new freedom, she chose to go for a drive through the town with her friends... And be the getaway driver in a robbery..."
Lolwut
It happens
This... This isn't normal?
Yeah if she was unknowingly the driver they really need to clarify. Big difference between Intentions to commit a crime and being someone's pawn. I tried to look into it and everything glosses over it.
My first thought too. Like bitch please don't be getting involved in a robbery then complain about the system.
Yeah, that was pretty unclear, but I think judging from the fact that she was bummed the fuck out and stopped the vehicle before police even arrived could be proof that she was unaware of her friend's intentions. I mean, it's not the first time someone have been used as a getaway without prior notice. It happens quite frequently.
Oh no, a whole 8000 jobs lost in an immoral & corrupt system? I think I'm more concerned about truck drivers in the midwest than I am about Californian bounty hunters.
They'd have to think up a whole new way to attack Black people.
Exactly. You can't crack down on Italian mobsters because Italien restaurants rely on that extra income.
akihitochan those 8,000 jobs lost is the reason most people don’t like the democrats. Over the last few years (he’ll even just the last few months) Democrat’s have proven that they don’t care about people having jobs. The more unemployed people there are, the more they can convince you they will give you aid and housing, therefore controlling you. Democrats for the most part thrive on unemployed and misinformed citizens that are weak and helpless. They budget more money to help those helpless citizens, which makes the actual taxpayers have to pay more. If you wanna talk about an immoral and corrupt system, do an in depth real study of the democratic policies over the last few decades and look at how they are solely placed to weaken and control the citizens with no regard to how badly it effects the economy. Democrats are dangerous to the freedoms and rights we have in this country.
@@ch1tbag442 I said I'm more concerned about truckers in the Midwest than I am about Californian bounty hunters and you write me a confused reply about how democrats don't care about jobs? Fine display of your mental faculties, Jordan.
Jordan Chitwood why do people make statements like that. Most people lmao if most people didn’t like them every state would be red.
5:40 you know what also kills jobs..
Being in jail for weeks because that person cant pay for dail, and gets fired for not showing up to work.
Duck Goes Quack this. ^
Being in jail doesn't kill jobs. It only takes an existing job from a potential criminal and makes it available to someone else. What *_can_* kill jobs is bad economic policy.
Simple solution to this, don't commit any crimes.
@@oracle3410 Not really. People get arrested for BS charges all the time.
@@jchinckley I'd school you a bit on this, but I'll simply say this: Every person that sits in jail, is a person that doesn't work. Every person that gets jailed while occupied, creates overhead to replace that position, creating a net effect of increased vacancies. Second, a person that loses a job, is less likely to be able to reenter the job market, effectively increasing unemployment while stripping opportunities away from them. I could go further than that, and tell you how that would increase crime and hinder rehabilitation, but I think that's obvious by now...
You should expand on this by exploring how corrupt the plea-bargaining system is.
John Oliver does a great piece on this
@@KingOfPirateGames
Yeap, here's a link to Jon Oliver's segment on Public Defendants & Plea Deals, for those who haven't seen it:
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@@undrtakr900 Even though no one cares, I must announce my undying love for Last Week Tonight. And John Oliver. And the writers.
How in God's name is loris bail 1mil and R Kelly's 100k
R Kelly's bail I believe was actually the total payments of child support he had not paid. Aunt Becky's fraud was a major financial crime, so a high bail wouldn't be out of the question
Gregory Allen Turner II That’s not how bail works...
Cash bail is based on ensuring the person comes back R. Kelly is broke so 100k is a lot of money to him. Loris is Rich AF so her bail was higher if she just had to pay a $5000 bail she would give zero shits.
Because bail is about forcing someone to show up in court, not punishing them for the crime they've been accused of. R Kelly could barely even make bail; he's not a flight risk. Lori Loughlin has so much money that I wouldn't be surprised to find "non-extradition countries" in her search history.
R. Kelly's bail was 1 million but he only had to pay 10%
"Innocent until proven guilty" but "in prison until proven innocent." Makes sense.
Unless you are rich, then you will be out enjoying fresh air.
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That part where it was revealed she and her friend was robbing a store really caught me off guard lol wtf what kind of new found freedom is that?
because teens with no supervision notoriously do things for the thrill of being able to "do what I want"
All of the people opposing this bill say, there's a better way," but give no evidence or no actual solution to the bail problem. Instead they sidetrack and basically say, "it won't work."
Only their way will work... PROFIT!!!
@nic jones or every republican when it comes to gun control. Depends on the subject of the bill.
Bail shouldn't be more than 5% of yearly income.
There's a solution.
@nic jones Not really. They put policy forth, and right wingers are like "nope, can't work, too expensive" you explain how it works and how the cost can fit and right wingers move the goal post and say " nope, that's communism and/or socialism".
all while admitting the systems we have isn't good, but put forth nothing.
Hey, it's like right wingers with free health care.
This whole thing is unconstitutional, just look at the eight amendment:
“Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”
Who decides what is "excessive?" Let's put it like this: Would you oppose an extremely high bail or no bail at all for someone like the Christchurch shooter? Technically, under our system, he's innocent until after he's been through trial. We know he did this horrible crime. We know why he did it. Why would we not hold him and make the barrier for getting away as high as possible?
In this case, the chick got out of jail after willingly committing a crime for $1000. If anything, she got off way to easily. She was guilty of the crime she was charged with (Though she seemed to think that being the getaway driver wasn't the same as being a part of the robbery), other than a few days in jail and the bond money, her life was barely impacted by the system. Can you really say that this was excessive?
@@danagray9709 First she had to pay 5,000$ which is a very high amount for anyone not rich, especially some dumb 18 year old who did something really stupid. Second mass murderers dont get bail, bail is mostly for smaller and non-violent crimes.
Edit: also im not defending the girl. What she did was definitely illegal, im just saying 5,000$ is not just some money you can come up with ease.
I keep seeing " *accidentally* became a getaway driver." Amber-Rose called herself the getaway driver. She didn't claim any innocence about the situation. She talked about showing the judge she was serious about rehabilitation. The robbery was clearly premeditated on her part, too. That's not to say she's not an upstanding citizen now, but let's be clear that she purposefully committed a crime.
You sound jealous. If only your life were so interesting. She's on the internet standing for justice. You on the other hand...
@@Baraborn Jealous that they didn't rob stores when they were 18? Get a grip.
meanwhile kids almost getting shot for owning pellet guns, smoking weed, or skating at the wrong time of night. But no totally lets focus on the ones with robbery charges. Lol what a joke? Im of the opinion that if you try to rob someone and die in the process, tough shit for you. If you get caught? Tough shit for you. True justice would be lock you in a room with the person you robbed for 30mins and look the other way as they get revenge for what you did. Thats how shit used to work, be glad it aint like that anymore ;)
If you want to make the argument that she should be separated from hardened criminals since she got straight As, cooperates, etc. Thats a whole different case that actually makes sense. By all means dont turn her into a harder criminal, but pretending like robbery is a petty crime is disingenuous. Violent offenders shouldnt have bail, non violent offenders shouldnt be locked up in the first place, its retarded.
Icemarine972 no, she talking about how the cash bail system kept her in jail for 2 weeks without being convicted, not that she is innocent but she had the chance at redemption, took that chance, and now is advocating for a more fair bail system.
The facts are, as clearly evident you didn’t pay attention to the video AT ALL, is that nearly 2/3 of the people in jail are not convicted of a crime, and that’s a problem created by a bail industry and court system that puts excessive bail amounts on people who don’t have the ability to pay and that leads to them taking plea deals that are not favorable, including pleading guilty to crimes you are not guilty of, and it hurts them because they can’t show to the Court that they are trying to improve their lives.
Did everyone miss the point of the story? It's not about whether she did a crime but people who have committed one are treated differently depending on the area you are in.
Any algorithm that use Zip Codes as a determining factor is undoubtedly going to be biased, not just racial bias, but socioeconomic bias as well.
Agreed. I'd imagine the bias would be strictly on previous record as opposed to where one lives.
Statistics are discriminatory, if they don't fit my narrative ignore them in favor of my feelings!
I think that's kind of the same thing in terms of zip codes, the reason I say that is (lets use Chicago, where I live, as an example). The city is not only socioeconomically divided but GENERALLY, racial divided. The idea of that is definitely going to add to it as well. Though, I think algorithms in general aren't an idea way to go as it seems like it's not really being overseen by a manual process, I think it'd be good if they have a team manually doing it and an algorithm doing it such that if there are discrepencies between the people doing it and the machine then it can be ironed out by the commitee or A commitee such that things are less bias'd racially and socioeconomically
Exactly. Seemed like almost all of the complaints were related to that. Don't use Zip Codes.
If you are so smart, think of a better system maybe? Everyone can agree to a certain point about what you have said but that system would still be better then over 60% people sitting in jail and not getting convicted but aren't able to pay the bond.
"We dont want that person in this home, but we need them to still be the provider" is the most entitled thing i;ve heard anyone say.
i know right, what are they doing to do when he's convicted and spends a few years in jail!
Almost as if the system is corrupt and geared towards putting as many people as possible IN jail because certain individuals make an exorbitant amount of money off those people being FORCED to be in the jail system.
Full stop! You just accidentally became the getaway driver for a robbery? No child. You get out of the car and walk away, period! Talk about friends in low places.
Thats what im sayin!!
Well she was 18 and was probably so scared and confused that she didn’t know what to do, so I can’t blame her for accidentally becoming a getaway driver
Robbery doesn't happen without a weapon, she should've left him there.
Damn right
every getaway driver uses this one. its the dog eat my homework of armed robbery
The bail system always favors the rich and doesn’t favor those who aren’t as privileged as others. It’s sickening.
Money is something we need thanks to all the idiots making the debt bigger
So has nearly every aspect of human history. The world isn't fair, we are all trying to make the best of it.
@@invidious07 I'd say half of all would be the most sense
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Bails favor no one. They take advantage of the rich and destroy lives of the poor. Aunt Becky committed a non violent crime and still had to pay a million dollar bail. That is taking advantage. Bails are also 100% refundable regardless of being guilty or non guilty.
How are you going to consider 8000 jobs over tens of thousands of imprisoned people who haven't been convicted...
Sick....
Regardless of what system is used to determine who is held held until trial, clearly violent offenders and flight risk offenders need to be held until trial. Our system clearly isn't perfect, but don't compare it to utopian ideals that can't be put into practice. Holding some people until trial is a logistical and public safety necessity. Cases take time to prepare and violent offenders can't be handled catch and release.
"What we have doesn't work"
"Here is a new way of trying to make it more fair"
"Nooooooo, that MIGHT not be the perfect way to do it, let's not even try"
May be instead of scrapping the current system you fix it. You say it doesn't work. There is a good chance the new system would be worse. May be bail schedules should be adjusted and algorithm to be used to give better guidelines for judges. Personally I rather have the option to pay 5k and get out than be forced to be keep in jail because of where I live. Just because a system doesn't work mean it should be replace with a system that might be worse.
Dalagante >might be worse
Or it might be better, which is why it should be tried. You can’t just scrap an idea because it might not work, it’s not like you can just tell the future.
Dalagante There is a reason we and the Phillipenes are the only people still doing this. After a certain point, it’s just willful ignorance...
Dalagante good job! The reality is that 5k can be done in payments and most companies will offer rebates leaving said balance at like 4K.
If you’re to get arrested for a domestic violence in San Jose or Fresno your bail is 25k if you get arrested in Modesto or Visalia it’s 50k...a uniform bail schedule is a way to go
sourgreendolly you can not compare any other country to the United States. Simple. Saying it’s willful ignorance is ignorance into itself.
You lost me when she admitted that she was a willing getaway driver. That's not innocent until proven guilty...That's straight up guilty.
That was literally not the point of her story. Her story was about rehabilitation and how she would not have been able to rehabilitate and be a productive member of society.
Apparently a lot of commenters have forgotten a very important fact: Not everyone who gets arrested is guilty.
But they love to Judge people.
Bingo.
They are also treating the idea of throwing everyone into jail as a solve all when, as pointed out in the story, it’ll potentially tank an entire family’s life. There is NO easy solution to this situation.
But but muh listen and believe
xerothedarkstar
Stupid kids don't see that the problem is the bail, not whether or not this specific individual is guilty or not
Phil you really need to cover the story about the animal abuse that was being uploaded by a person called Preston McDuffle. He has uploaded videos of him abusing his cats such putting their tails in doors and shutting the door.
This person still has a TH-cam channel after all the abuse he has caused to these poor animals. Please can you try and cover this as this story needs to be heard.
Ginaa Haslam the same guy who made a video of him beating a cat with a spatula (I think? I don’t remember exactly what it was) or is this another asshole?
I really hope he sees this comment but we should tweet him about it too. We have a much better chance of him seeing it on Twitter.
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Ginaa Haslam What??
You copy pasted this yesterday. Get a life.
For-profit bail AND for-profit jail. America, are you tired of winning yet?
Yeah, let's make it whoever murders someone in jail gets the death penalty. Same system that put him in is applied.
Apparently not
I mean america is trillions in debt. That doesnt sound like winning to me
It's a pay to play system, and it's not fair for those who can't pay. There's a snide term that floats around prosecution and court appointed attorney offices, called "Meet'em & Plead'em". They don't care about you. You are more profitable to the machine once in the system. Period... end of story.
Let's change that aspect of the criminal justice system and bail will become a relic of a bygone era.
@Dragon Dimosthenis "5000"
"have no wealth"
Pick one
Not fair?? Is it fair that you committed a crime against somebody obeying the law? STFU Criminal
@@superandy2k13 It's alleged that you committed a crime, not that you've actually committed it. My dad was put into a holding cell for a few hours because he happened to look like someone who mugged someone and took their car. Would it have been fair for him to have gotten on the hook for that instead of the actual mugger? All because some police officers don't look beyond some similarities? STFU yourself.
@@superandy2k13 Everyone accused of a crime isn't a criminal, brainlet.
@@Nec89- $5000 is reasonably low. You could easily get a bail bonds company to pay that out. Furthermore, it's called making "payments"- just don't be an idiot and sign for high interest rates. I know it's a crazy concept for those that want everything for free...
Im sorry...your friend just "decided" to rob a store? Lol
I've had friends who were drug dealers and I didn't realize it. I learned (after their sentencing) that they had their wares with them in my car. Proximity doesn't always imply criminal association. What if her friend went into the store to grab a drink and came out having robbed the place?
That introduction to Rose Howard was ridiculous. Loved the video overall and I found her story interesting, but that intro threw me off for a bit, and felt absurdly biased.
It was ridiculously biased. They tried to make it seem like she had no idea her friend was going to rob the store, but then once she started talking she indicated that she was aware of what they were doing.
@@bluesteel8376 Exactly. Am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who was willingly committing a major crime? She was the getaway driver for a robbery! Give me a break! If you want to sell me on the bail system being unfair, then use an example of someone who was actually innocent who was unjustly effected by the system.
A white man driving the car used in a driveby shooting lawyered and played dumb - "I legit didn't know that the shooter was going to shoot out of my car" - and got the murder charges dropped. So criminal justice system gave him the benefit of doubt, but you cannot do so to a black woman? Are you sure that "the case of bad company" didn't apply to her? Maybe she was hanging around scum - and didn't realize it until too late. Or maybe her stupid ass knew he was grimey in these streets and was naive and too slow to not avoid being put in a situation where she'd be used by him. These hoodlums have no problem using black women's kindness & trust to drag black women down with them. Again, why are you so sure that when he asked her can she stop by the store for him, she didn't assume it was for an errand, that she didn't assume that he had the money & intention to buy whatever he needed, and that she damn well knew she was driving into a robbery? The point is there is no way to know. She was joy riding with the degenerate and he asked her to go take him to the store - she got caught up and need to pick better company.
True story: my sibling's wife was hanging with her family and they ordered pizza. The delivery guy came and while the driver was at the door getting his payment, a [black] male cousin stole all of the pizzas for other customers from the driver's car and took them to the back door. When they saw the other pizzas in the kitchen, they were shocked & appalled at the cousin. Did you think those black women ordering boxes of pizza, which they paid for, had a fucking clue that their cousin was so greedy & grimey to do something like that? No. I asked her did she call the local store to attempt to return the pizzas, she said no, because people like you would wrongly assume and insist that she, and every black woman in that house, were "accomplices to a robbery ruse."
Moral of the story is, I'm not saying that all black women are innocent, as in not sheltering black men. I'm saying to be careful in making sweeping assumptions on innocence and guilt when you have little information. There are thugs out here who act without consideration to the innocent people surrounding them. Not everyone has the foresight to "not take niggas to the store."
@@bluesteel8376 Once she started talking, she was aware of the robbery AFTER the fact. Meaning, this so-called "friend" asked her to take him to the store, she did, he robbed the store, he got in her car, then told her about the robbery.
Lesson: Don't take niggas to the store.
@@tpamel You weren't listening. She knew the robbery was taking place. She said she took him to the store and she "was the getaway driver." She had no illusions about what she did. She knew exactly what she was doing and was only upset because she didn't get away with it.
It's amazing: rob a store they call in the helicopters, rob a house and the cops tell the home owner they don't have the resources to investigate.
Gta; she got 3 stars
Let's be real: It depends on whose house got robbed.
Panic buttons help. It's harder once the perpetrator gets away.
Ah Yes, Nothing like a Thursday morning without news about the american criminal system.
Jim Jeffries DREW Muhammad and insulted Islam while interviewing someone for a pro Islam segment. Search for "Hidden Camera Jim Jeffries Exposed"
@@JAJA-sk3wr I fail to understand what that has to do with anything.
Don't you mean legal system? If it were part of the Criminal system, wouldn't that apply that bailing a person out would be illegal?
@@JAJA-sk3wr Good, Islam should be insulted. All religions should.
@@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes He was filming a show that was very pro-Islam. When he didn't know cameras were rolling, he said some severe stuff. Search for "Hidden Camera Jim Jeffries Exposed"
I think the woman who talked about how she "wouldn't have been set free with this new system" is completely wrong. You wouldn't have been kept in jail because you're a black woman from a poor community. You would have been kept in jail because you committed a ROBBERY. Robbery is a very serious crime.
thank you!!
Black people never take responsibility for their own actions, conduct and behavior. .
Don't even try.
@@lisar3777 Um that is a simplification and blanket statement you are going to be called out for. Careful throwing accusations like that around. It won't get you sympathy.
@@deadpanhay
I grew up around black people. It's not a blacket (ooops. Accidental pun) statement. It's a keen observation.
Black people have an "everybody is evil but me" mentality and it will make you mental.
Their explanation for everything is "the white man made me do it".
Reminds me of Hitler blaming jews for everything.
I didn't ask for your sympathy.
@@ChunkyCoffee blaaa blaaa. I didn't read your comment. Don't waste your time on me.
Go to a Black Hebrew Israelite channel and tell them how ignorant they are! No? I didn't think so.
Nite
I feel it needs to be specifically clarified if she knew she was going to be the getaway driver or not. It's pretty important information and it kind of feels like that was glossed over a bit...
TheMusicman1945 why does that matter? That’s not the point of the story.
I'm positive she meant to be the get away driver. She said when her friend went into the store to rob it and she waited outside as the get away driver. Also she stated something along the lines of the new system would have kept her in jail due to discrimination and being bonded out helped her fight her case(even guilty should be allowed to fight their case). From what I can tell she is a honest person, that just got caught up in a bad mistake, but she seems to have learned from it.
@@Lauren-hs5ht I believe it matters because they are trying to showcase the flaws in the bail system and the damage its showing to her and her family but if she had intent to commit the crime, many people will look at the situation as she deserves to suffer for the act that as committed.
Zaelesis but the problem is that regardless of what she knew or meant to do, the laws/punishment are not being applied equally. If she were rich she would have been out of jail and if she were poor then she would have to sit in jail.
they should have picked somebody who was actually innocent of the crime or at the very least was more caught up in something that was at least somewhat beyond their control, it really paints my view of the message Phil's trying to get across when the person they are using as exhibit A actively and knowingly committed a crime.
"I get they're upset, the world changes" is just about the perfect argument to *A LOT* of Americas issues
edit: semantic's.
A Lot not ALOT 2 words not 1
@@mikestiles373 Ah yes, the self-upvoting semantic's expert. It's been a while since i've seen one, always fun.
metric.
Dude. Who cares if he misspelled a lot?Engage in the conversation with people, don’t just blindly correct him for no reason.
@@highsocks5914 cool story bro. Maybe once you get this down we can start working on to, too and two and there their and they're.
i cant beleive they tried to frame a planned and coordinated robbery as "a normal teen taking a ride on the town"
Right that through me off
Ya was really confused on that to
Why are you so sure that the young lady knew that if a friend asked her "can you take me to the store" then she automatically knew it is a robbery plot? There is no way to know whether she was a willing accomplice or an unwillingly accessory to a gutter rat who used her.
@@tpamel she literally said she was the get-away driver in her interview
@@tpamel What is wrong with you? Did you even watch the video!? It was one of the first things she said. She took her friend to the store to rob it. She said "I was the getaway driver." At no point in the video did she say "I had no idea he was going to do that!" or anything of the sort. She knew, and she admitted she knew.
I'm still trying to figure out how you go out to enjoy your freedom and accidentally rob a store.
Lmfao deadass
What's to figure out? Friend robbed a store and she didnt know they would. That's not even uncommon.
It's just in some people's nature
Be stupid
@@ΜΟΛΩΝΛΑΒΕ-δ4ο I took that to mean he planned on her being the getaway driver a d had her park there. But still, she went along with it at first. Didn't say anything about being coerced.
I'd like to see a state or two implement this new system, then look at the data after a few years and decide if it's worth a nation-wide rollout
Washington DC got rid of cash bail for most charges in the 90s. Worth reading about the successes there.
You don't need to do a limited implementation of this new system to collect data as the data already exists in many countries around the world.
David Littler somewhat true, but it is still best to test it out with our laws and culture
Allow states to try it sure but the federal govt needs to stay out of it. Different regions have different problems and needs and the federal govt tries to roll out these one size fits all programs that usually cause more problems than they fix
Longbeard Washington DC is a spec compared to California. The thing is once they implement they can never go back.
You lost me as soon as Not-Phil started talked and presented the girl’s case as “Oh she just went for an innocent little drive with her friend and happened to be in the car when her friend robbed the store” instead of Amber chose to help her friend rob a store.
Bye
it doesnt matter here...
"I'm not a criminal, i'm just over policed." Said every criminal ever.
MrBLAAHHHHHHHHHHH it’s quite simple don’t break the law and you won’t get arrested. I’ve broken the law before and have payed my debt to society. Am I going to do it again? Fuck no!
Jeeze, those poor people in communities with high levels of policing that end up with more arrest records than those of less policed areas... The injustice of being arrested for crimes you committed!! Must be racist... /sarcasm
Just a normal teenager driving her friend around with her new freedom to rob a store? Did I hear that correct?
Yes you heard correctly.
Naa her friend rob a store and she was in it for the ride
@@andyhilaire515 I mean she said herself she was the getaway driver... Sounds to me she knew full well what was going down and wanted to be a part of it. I can't believe this video and people in comments are painting her in a sympathic light.
@@andyhilaire515 is that accurate? This vid doesn't make itvclear
She pulled over , before cops lol
Wait wait wait. So she committed a robbery with a friend. And I'm supposed to what? Sympathize with her?
Fuuuck nah homie. She gets her DL and first thing she does is tried to ruin an honest workers life. I don't care she was only the driver either.
Yeah I’m trying to figure out where to be sympathetic there. You just got your license and the first thing you do is be a getaway driver?
This story is about bond, not about her. Calm down.
It didn't really sound like she tried to get away though. Is it possible she was thrown into it? Is it possible her friend didn't get in the car with a ski mask and shotgun and played it off like he was picking something up? Context clues tell me she wasn't itching to commit a robbery as soon as she got out of school.
@@kervindor True but there would have been signs that she could have picked up on. I mean robbing a store is something that takes a little more gumption then say, ordering some pizza. If she is completely innocent then there is a level of density there that really did not help her cause
@@MrBigTAnderson How far did the police chase her? Do you know what leverage the robber tried using?
The entire justice system needs a serious revamp and "for profit" bail itself should not exist.
How about people stop committing crimes wouldn’t that be better?
Better even if there was no "for profit 'justice'". It doesn't even make sense! There are just too many incentives to bypass the system because the only target is More Money, not more security!
Isori no people not committing crimes is better idiot
Bob Dillion dumbest argument ever
@@bobdillion440 sure, a word with unicorns would make many people happy, especially poachers.
I think paying money to avoid jail time is the most american thing ever... USA USA USA
on a more serious note how can anyone think that an algorithm based system is more biased than bail?
Depends on how the algorithm is written. Algorithms are only as good as the person who writes them.
@@Dalagante remember the final decision is still up to a judge, the algorithm just gives the judge the information and a baseline of risk
In some ways, the bail system is almost entirely unbiased - whoever you are, however much you can pay, you get slapped with the same amount of bail.
The algorithm system entrenches biases that are already there is police treatment or likelihood to commit a crime according to race.
But I still think that anything to remove indiscriminate cash-for-bail is good, and the algorithm system is a reasonable one.
Septimus ii I strongly disagree with the algorithm idea being innately reasonable simply because it no longer treats each individual on a by-the-individual basis, you’re reduced to your stat summary and your individual circumstances that are actually important, i.e. what you think, feel, what your intent was, etc, are going to be reduced in any system that reviews you by algorithm down to the color of your skin and the area you live in, which sort of holds you responsible for what all your neighbors do no matter if you choose to live their or not. I believe we owe every defendant, because of presumption of innocence, both a very individualized legal experience that remains as impartial as possible while being speedy and fair. Leaving their right to bail up to an algorithm that is essentially a profiling computer seems the opposite of a way to fix this problem.
Civil liberty people: the bail system is racist and misappropriates against poor people
Government: okay well use data and get rid of cash bail
Civil liberty people: NAH THATS RACIST!!! Don’t do that either
Me: uh it’s a step in the right direction to remove corrupt bail systems and pretty much removed rich people from benefitting. These rich celebs wouldn’t of just walked off.
Only truly unracist and fair system is you are detained until trial. Personal I rather have a modified of are current system were cash bail is the an exception or add as extra incentive to show up to court. I don't see the point scrapping one broken system for another that is un proven. Take last few years of court cases and see what the new system would have decided. Then adjust until you can use past data to prove it was better.
I like that idea. Put everything/everyone back to zero and no one gets bail. Problem solved
Problem with using data is you being judged by other people deeds.
@@funguy398 So keep everyone locked up or let everyone go free. Anything less than that will be biased. While that is a problem it is It is the only way to make a system mostly fair. And using past data to test is it is million times better than testing it under fire. There is a reason that every product, system or program is tested before it is released live.
Great idea. Just throw everyone in jail for a couple weeks. Then when some get out after being found innocent or guilty of a minor offence that results in a small fine, they can look for a new job while trying to scrap enough cash together to pay the bills and hope to get one before the lights and water get turned off. Great idea.👍😑
Was that one girl seriously implying that we should offer housing to criminals to keep them away from their victims? Instead of just putting them in jail? I'm sorry but the bail System seems broke and everything the other guy said about the algorithm sounds like it will work much better. Also I find in most stories involving domestic violence when the cops ask the aggressor to find another place to stay the aggressor usually ends up back over at the house and the Fight Continues. That girl seems naive to the point of stupidity.
She wasn't implying, She said it out right. What is funny is she is for a Responsible Budget, but doesn't think about how much it is going to cost the Taxpayers for this separate housing.
@@takeshimasaki2033 that's the first thought I had to. She's the leader of some conservative budget Group for fiscal responsibility or whatever it was and she's suggesting millions of dollars to go to separate housing for criminals. Like what?
She was. She wants to give criminals housing and a stipend. Is she a lunatic?
Stormcrow
Point was that they have a location instead of jail, to work.
Maybe they have a clock in system, or have to wear ankle bracelets to keep em away from a certain location, I'm not sure why you can't reason what she's proposing or at least play devil's advocate a bit
Speaking as another kid from an abusive father, she doesn’t seem to realize that finance is a control method for abusers. Also, my dad didn’t end up in jail, but my mom struggled with him dragging out court proceedings to “make her pay” for leaving. Him living in another house and her having her own job didn’t solve the financial instability. When she said that, I just went “WOW you don’t have a clue.”
Wow, it’s been a LONG time since I’ve seen dog the bounty hunter 😳😳
I know, he's aged so much but that hair is glorious, lol!
RIP Ms. Stevenson
Well his wife Beth has cancer so he is being a devoted husband and taking care of her.
In person
Why is this dog comment everywhere?
I hate the bail system, but you don’t just accidentally become a getaway driver. Your buddy doesn’t “randomly” rob a store. & you can’t just throw him under the bus when you were just as much a part of the crime lmao
Small Fry you never went to a small get together at a friends house and then HOLY SHIT THERE ARE DRUGS EVERYWHERE
HeyHay well, chances are I went to the get together for the drugs. So it’s not a surprise. I’m not stupid, I know what’s going on
Matterking I feel like in a lot of those cases, either the person is being ignorant by not knowing their buddy’s drug of choice or their friend isn’t a good friend and isn’t taking his own charge. Either way I don’t think there should be bail set for any recreational drug user.
@@matterking1 like they bring the drug in a container inside the car without the driver knowing? Yeah that happens.
However, how the hell do you become a accidental getaway driver?
If you're with a friend, why wouldn't you go to the store with them? Why would you just chill in the car, ready to go?
If my friend tells me to stay in the car, and leave it on. I'd be suspicious AF about wtf they're about to do.
I would surely leave the mf right there and tell him I had an emergency. Do you know that if you're in a store with a few friends and one is shoplifting, they can haul you all to jail? It's guilt by association. @@SomeRandomMario
Forgot i was still watching defranco
Sorry but the bail system is NOT a main reason for high incarceration numbers in the US. The cited number at 2:43 is "Prison Population Total." People in the bail system are held in jails and not prisons. The chart immediately after this is referencing jail numbers as if the percentages are of the prison population numbers just given but they are NOT. Some hasty research here shows how hard it is to scratch more than the surface without a criminologist or other expert. Misconceptions abound.
accomplice to robbery... they kind of picked a horrible example there
I worked with a girl who’s boyfriend borrowed her car while she was at home he robbed a bank. She was arrested for accomplice to robbery. Can you imagine having nothing to do with the crime but cause its your car you have to go to jail?
@@SirVicSmasher Maybe she shouldn't have chosen a boyfriend who would rob a bank?
@@SirVicSmasher now was she charged for it or just arrested initially? This woman actually drove the damn car after he did it.
deadly zebra its been such a long time since i last seen her but from what I remember she was charged with accessory to robbery
@@SirVicSmasher and was she convicted of it?
I work in a court system, and there's no doubt that the system is broken. However, my local judges look carefully at every defendant and decide based on objective factors (like how serious the crime is, past history of failing to appear for court, danger to the public in general or specific people, etc.). Then, when they get it wrong, we defense attorneys step in and correct the situation.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of no-win situations. Domestic Violence is often one of them. Yes, sometimes the abuser is the sole breadwinner and removing them puts people in financial hardship. However, there are private and public programs to get the victims of this violence through that difficulty. Sometimes the victims can't get that help due to their distrust of the system or substance abuse issues. The judges are aware of that, and they know or are told of the difficulty they're causing for the victims, but the end goal is to end the abuse.
Another gross one is child support. In my state, your bond amount is half your arrears unless there are special circumstances. Again, I acknowledge that it's a no-win. The other parent needs the money they're owed, and people aren't charged for non-payment until they've missed a buttload of payments, which means that the payee and the child have suffered a lot by the time they get to this stage. On the other end, the defendant loses whatever job they had and have to try and pay everything off after spending months in jail before getting a fresh felony on their record. Their ability to pay is painfully reduced, so the payee and child still don't get anything, and there's another person or group that hates the system.
The main frustrating thing about these kinds of issues is that everyone wants to believe the people who claim they were wronged by the system or that their serious criminal charge came from some minor mistake that really wasn't a big deal. Look closer. Injustice happens, but I've had enough people tell me flat lies as I show them the HD footage of them committing the crime that I know the majority of it is crying wolf. Judges refuse bond to people who have seriously messed up and refuse to acknowledge anything questionable about their own conduct. It's a dark reality, but some people are better off in jail (both for their own well-being and that of the public). There's also the fact that the judicial system itself is not making profit on fines and fees. They don't just punt people onto probation for a massive windfall. Rehab and probation cost several times more than people pay for it, and the "system" spends millions of dollars each year just trying to get people to understand things like "hitting people is bad" or "stealing is bad." If you're new to the system and you can learn the lesson specific to your crime, you'll be fine. If it's your fifth time charged with a similar crime and you're still saying the process is a waste of time and just to get money out of you, you should probably get used to having your freedoms taken. And no, the judge isn't salivating and licking her lips over squeezing that thousand dollars out of you in sporadic twenty dollar payments over the next decade. Your case cost the system ten times more than that and she's just hoping to make the fine just enough that you hesitate before doing it again.
Sometimes, being a lawyer feels like running the Kobayashi Maru five times a week.
You can't assume that all judges are working hard to make the system better though. There are sometimes incentives to look hard on crime. Prosecutors are rewarded for convictions, not necessarily getting it right. I think your points are mostly valid and there are some excessively bleeding hearts out there, but I think saying the court is always the good guys is as disingenuous as saying all criminals are victims of the system.
There’s a balance in all things, I think. Judges, lawyers, most jobs really have a large number of honest workers doing their best. But naturally, people develop biases from news reports because news has more incentive to look at negative events due to the attention it catches. It makes judges seem corrupt and unfeeling, the rich seem privileged and ignorant, and the world looks like a far greedier, darker place.
Naturally, nearly every workplace has some form of corruption in it, but people really tend to forget the good surrounding them. Wow, this kinda feels like preaching. Alright, now let’s all pray to Jesus our lord an- i can’t this is stupidwhatamidoing
Welp
Thass it
@@WhatIsMyPorpoise ^This
WasMean aw shucks thanks
@@WhatIsMyPorpoise Not to mention biases from the court room alone. I have family with foster kids. Their judge and most of the court personnel are on a first name basis with the bio mom because of how long/often she's been around in both criminal and family court. The city is paying out the ass for all sorts of classes and programs in pursuit of reconciliation with the kids she still has parental rights to and she blows most of it off. I have no problem with them paying, but it sucks she barely tries and then lies about why she didn't show ("I didn't know the date!" "Oh, the one written on that binder we never see you without?" "..."). I don't want the judge to become jaded and stop pursuing reconciliation relentlessly where possible, but I can understand how it happens. The sad reality is that in many cases the person in trouble either just doesn't care or only cares while someone is watching/threatening them.
The domestic violence bit at the end is confusing me. She said the breadwinner was in jail and not out, making money I suppose, but who were they accused of committing violence again? And if they were committing violence against someone in your family, do you want them out? Was it a false accusation from a 3rd party?
What a statement to end the video on.
I think it made a lot of sense. Usually you think of this scenario as the breadwinner is a father who is the abuser.But the wife didn't leave him bc she had no where to go. If the husband is put in jail he cannot hurt her anymore but also cannot work to bring in the money supporting them. IF they could allow the husband to be out of jail he could still work and send money allowing the family to pay their bills still and hopefully keep him away from her until he is sentenced rather than see her go into debt or lose the house or something during that time. Also there are people that go to work during the day and go back to prison for familys like this. I'll bet that could be another way of monitoring but still letting someone be a bit more free like ankle monitors but still watched over
Think Phil is doing a little wink and nod there.
Yeah, I feel like there were 3 groups here; for bail bonds, against bail bonds, and then CURB. The one you give little jobs too so they feel important but no one really pays attention to.
You want them out because child support exists and they cant pay it if they are in jail... They are talking about the arrest being a sudden loss of income.... Yeah you want free of their violence but you want your kids to have food and a roof over their head too.
Being detained before your trial seems to go against innocent until proven guilty.
It's almost like EA runs the country.
Maybe they should ask youtube how their algorithm works
New World Order
.... I cannot begin to stress how WRONG that woman is about letting domestic violence suspects out before trial
PhinaLovesMusic innocent till proven guilty. - an abuse victim
She actually argues the need for their financial support.
Cause the guy going to court for domestic violence is gonna pay your bills.
LMFAO, what planet is she from?
@@truenorth5975 how is that hard to understand. A parent could be abusive, but still go to work and provide for the family.
I could accuse you of domestic violence right now. Are you ready to spend your nights in a prison cell now? I don't think so. Like the woman said, there are ways to separate such people from potential victims other than throwing a potentially innocent person in a cell and separating families from the members who put food on the table.
True North
You're very ignorant on the notion of a working father being jailed, and how the mother needs to find a babysitter and job that will pay rent and put food on the table and pay bills by the start of next month. It's quite destructive unless you yourself lived a privileged life where your mother wouldn't have any problems finding a job immediately and paying things
Really, really good video.
Appreciated how this was set out and, even though I'm Australian, I feel like I have gained a solid grasp of your bail system and what they are trying to do to improve it.
Thanks Phil!
>Califormia has higher bail
Shocking /s
How else do they profit from all the delinquant celebrities that live there.
California has higher everything I don't know how people live there I keep trying to get my family to come to ohio I've been here for fifteen years only go back to visiting family
@@viktorofbearisland2863 kept so poor I have no money to move. That's how.
@@viktorofbearisland2863 have fun in the snow. Lol.
California is always in need of more money. The number of stories where the state tax office chases people to other states is a bit absurd.
The cost saving and efficiency benefits of an algorithmic solution far outway the benefit of saving jobs in a dieing industry. Additionally, the beautiful thing about algorithms is they can always be adjusted.
Well... Not really. In theory, yes. In reality, nope.
Remember when TH-cam tried altering their algorithms because of Alex Jones? Tried hushing conservative media? The search and recommended video sections are a mess. Still at about 40% functionality. Algorithms are tough
@@enigmalfidelity yes but youtube have something like 1000 hours of content uploaded every minute, nobody can fact check the algorithm efficiently, in a "bail" algorithm every one subjected by the algorithm is reviewed by a judge that will have the final power to hold the person, so 100% of the cases have human review, the algorithm became just a helping tool and not the only system that determines the case.
@@enigmalfidelity TH-cam didn't really change their algorithm, it's the TH-cam machine learning that's having a hard time determining what falls into what category of the algorithm, which is done by an AI and not a person. which is why it's having a problem... For now. This looks like it's being looked at by a committee of people so it could be changed quickly if necessary.
This x1000, it tackles the problem at the source. People who commit crimes usually don't have money to pay over to a bail bondsman, the algorithmic system and even the bias validation system mentioned is the fact you don't need to be rich to get out on bail. The statue of Justice is blind and the Algorithmic is the closest thing you can get to it. Also with updating communication methods you'd see a huge drop.
Two Words. TH-cam's Algorithm
Wait did that girl at the end really say her abusive father shouldnt have been locked away because he gave money to the family?
That's a joke right?
I'm with the no bail system! I hope they can abolish bail throughout the whole USA.
"Like any normal kid she decided to test her newbound freedom"
Yeah uh, I dont think normal kids are going around robbing stores the first day they get their liscences
There's no such thing as "normal". Kids or adults do dumb things a like. It's part of being a naive human being. We all make poor or bad decisions. In their case, it landed them in jail. Its more important that anybody can learn from their mistaken. Nobody should get a pass nor should they. Hope she took something away from that experience. Lol.
@@WhyteLis21 Sure, normal is a relative term and people are prone to make normal mistakes. But robbing a store isn't your typical normal oopsie
@@beefwellington2945 Indeed robbing a store isn't, but a few still do it unfortunately. A hard life lesson in this kind of society. 😁
She referred to herself as the getaway driver. She knew what she was doing.
We are supposed to feel good about this clown beating a robbery charge???
How are you getting demonetized for taking about bail?! Seriously TH-cam?
I got ads
Oh, that's great news! I don't feel dumb at all, I was acting on the information I had available to me at the time.
aviato287 x Why would he feel stupid? TH-cam temporarily demonetized the video and that’s ridiculous. The ads being back doesn’t change that. Are you that hard on yourself in similar situations?
Over policed lmaooooooo this lady is crazy, areas are "over policed" because that is where the crime is. Get your neighborhoods together and you won't have to see the police so much. I solved your problem.
As a non-american I am baffled at the bail system, your whole culture often reduces people to sacks of money, that's a very VERY classist society and the new generations should strife to go away from this
Do some actual research. Videos like these break down very complicated subject and remove a lot of background on how these systems work.
I think you gonna to educate us about the subject
@@FUnzzies1 actual research shows that its much worse that the video shows...
@@irek1394 actual research shows that people who commit crimes are given bonds to match. Bonds are handed out by a huge factors of things such as the crime committed, the suspects ties to the community, age, where they are from, etc... Is bond perfect? No, but blanket releasing everyone who committed a minor offense is plain stupid. If you are a get away driver your ass should sit in jail for court, if you get into a bar fight here is an NTA. If the judge deems it necessary I have no problem requiring collateral to be released from jail and garuntee appearance. If the legal system sees an overhaul it needs to be done via statistics and by criminologist and legal experts. Not social justice warriors getting domestic abusers released from jail.
@@FUnzzies1 ?? so you dont want to release them except if they have enough money? where is the logic here? Lock the ones that need to be locked and let go of the rest
"suffering from high policing practices", most of us (who don't commit crimes) are happy to have the police protecting us. You only suffer from high policing practices if you're committing crimes.
Excuse me but domestic violence cases should absolutely keep the abuser in jail. I had a family member who was abused and I have no doubt if he weren’t locked up she’d be dead even with a restraining order. Sorry some money was lost for your mother’s safety. What a selfish way to look at it.
Rich get richer. And get out quicker.
Abhishek Singh and the significance of that is...?
@@anonymoususer6526 it's scary that you can vote
Filth
It's scary that people live and die like that, what a waste of potential
@@words3147 dude its a reference from epic rap battles Trump vs Hillary
Not gonna lie went in to this video with preconceived notions i wasnt gonna like it but it was awesome phil - really hope to see more like it - Thanks!
"There's only 1 reason they are behind bars"....... if you don't count the fact they BROKE THE LAW AND COMMITED CRIMES. " 1 reason" LMAO!😂
Hey Phil, constructive criticism-- I don't feel like I learned enough about why we should KEEP the bail system. I'm coming in not knowing anything about it and I feel like I learned a disproportionate amount about the other systems. I'm not sure if that was an oversight or your own bias slipping in, just thought you should know.
Well those interviewed were pretty bias but he lives in cally, the post hippy state in the country.
This isn't constructive. The videos wouldn't be made better if all sides were presented as equal if some are better than others. The reason for defense for the bail system is simple. Take something as collateral so the accused is incentivised to return to court. The reason for for profit bail is also simple, they give give people enough money to pay bail. The problem is that is often exploitative. The interesting conversation is entirely in how can this be made better.
no one:
daddy defranco: *spills the whole kettle and exposes america*
Her friend just up and out of nowhere her friend chose to rob a store. I call BS and I have no pity for her
Machine bias is a huge issue and it is very important in this topic, if you feed a learning algorithm all the arrests it is self reinforcing because the data is already biased. Policing has crime prevention algorithms too, they send patrols to neighbourhoods that have had crime spikes, police do what police do so it also becomes self reinforcing.
As someone works in the field: This is a very good point, and one of the reasons why refining algorithms to prevent this sort of thing is a very active area of research. Bad algorithms have been around for a while, but we only started taking note of how much damage they were doing recently (see Cathy O'Neil's book "weapons of math destruction"). Once it was pointed out, we listened, and we are working really hard to figure out how to fix it!
@@tuerda exactly.
Garbage in garbage out algorithms run this risk
Not gonna lie, it'd be hilarious if the algorithm becomes racist from the learning data lol
@@Suedocode This is actually a real thing that happens, and is not as funny as you might think: th-cam.com/video/_2u_eHHzRto/w-d-xo.html
The girl that robbed the store Was rightfully jailed the criminal.
Hate when they cherry pick one case to prove their point and gloss over the dirty parts of the story.
What's bad is the college ACCEPTED Lori's bribe tho...
BOTH sides are dirty
Very true
More good reasons for ubi
1. Less 18 year olds robbing banks
2. Family can pool resources instead of relying on predatory bail bonds
3. Families not stuck in abusive relationships because of bread winner status.
Nothing motivates more then money, the question is who's got it.
The overall ultimate problem is P.A.S. investigation and the algorithms that come with it. The bail bond system is just a shitty solution that tries to fix this problem.
I love this show. You guys do such a great job providing both sides of a discussion with excellent sources, trying to keep personal biases down as much as possible. This is what proper journalism should be.
I had to call around for a bail bondsman once... and they are the reason I don’t ever want to go back to jail.
How about not commiting a crime
@@MrLimitHoldem How about realizing that not everyone who goes to trial is guilty? Like, there are innocent people that go to trial to, that's why there are trials. Otherwise, we'd just throw them in jail right away and not have them.
I feel so bad for people who choose to rob and think stealing is a good idea. Yes, let's give more of these people who are into theft easier access to our streets.
@@BoWebber why do you assume everyone is a thief 2 why do you assume everyone is guilty. Your comment sums up your personality really well there bud.
@@BoWebber
I have seen the American Justice System be corrupted. Things aren't so easy to assume.
Why not both? Pay to get out if you can or let the algorithm decide your fate.
Like any normal teenager she decided to drive the getaway car in a store robbery
Yeah, kinda hard to sympathize
Sounds like she didn't on9w it was happening. Like your friend asks for a ride to pick up some smokes then comes running out in a pair of panty hose on his head telling you to drive.
Quattro Yeah, so you get out that car, tell them goodbye it was nice to know you.. and leave
@@JannaCR you leave your car behind?
@@JannaCR
Except not everyone can keep calm and cool under duress, especially when someone you thought was a friend could do something so violent, ESPECIALLY when the person under duress is 18 years old.
And she did stop the car, before cops showed up. Yall act like you're John Wicks being able to evenly think under any condition, its embarrassing.
I was a straight A 18 yo on a day off of school with my frand.... and we robbed a store. Lmao what... that isnt just a teenage "lets go be naughty kids" thought.. you deserved to get the book thrown at you in that scenario sweetie
Hold up... That woman was talking about her father being locked up for domestic abuse but loosing the financial stability he provided... He was abusive but you want his money?
even worst once he goes to jail he they lose the money anyways so the whole thing makes no sense.
Talk about payday loans.
Abonanno24601 payday loans are the real shit man, oh how they get ya.
You don't get to just commit crimes and cry foul that you can't get out to try and avoid your sentence. You can't do the time, don't commit the crime.
The system is insane! I almost went to jail while driving on my way to NYC just last month. I had forgotten about a speeding ticket that I got in NY a few years back, as a Canadian I was never sent any sort of warnings or anything and my licence was suspended and I wasn’t aware of it what’s so ever. When the officer pulled me over and checked my licence, he took my car keys and was about to impound my car and take me to court with a $5,000 min bail. Luckily I was able to convince him to let me go with a ‘driving without a licence’ ticket, but I can’t believe that’s even possible.
i hear ya. my wife got a ticket about a month ago. i asked her when it needs to be paid. She said we have 6 months! 6 months!!? ya its easy to forget in that time
The fact tha a for-profit bail system exists and that there is even a bail bonds industry in the first place both baffles and disgusts me
It was probably originally put in place with good intentions at heart (a lot of that shit usually is) but then someone questioned why they were doing it a certain way when they could be making a hell of a lot more money doing it a different way.
Bail bonds industry was set up to help the poor which it does. Say you have 50k bond a poor person could never pay that so a bail bonds person says pay me 5k I will pay the bond and you can get out. Without that bail bonds system the getaway driver would have had to sit in jail. The evil for profit bail system actually give more opportunities for poor people to get out of jail.
The bail system is not "for-profit" but the bail bonds industry is. There's a difference. If you pay bail and come back on all your court dates you get your money back. The bail bondsman gives you an option to pay significantly less to get out on bail but you don't get your money back. That's where they make a profit, also they force you show up to court for them to get their money back if you don't that's where bounty hunters come in.
@@Dalagante What annoys me is if the "algorithm" worked to estimate how much a person should be charged for bail then the prices wouldn't be so outlandish.
Tossing $50k bail on a kid from a low income area *_and_* it was her first offense? Yeah no. *_That_* is the crime right there.
They're all bitching bout how broken the algorithm in general is so make everyone look at it and fix the loopholes that fuck people over.
@@silentgamer4368 I think that might be light for the getaway driver of an armed robbery. The thing is there isn't enough facts to say if that bail was fair or not. But she even said under the new system same person would have been detained until convicted. I think that 59k is looking more fair.
Ive been arrested and the most frustrating part of the whole process is that they dont make anything clear. I had to go in several times just to see if I had all my fines paid. It feels like I stepped into the past. Nothing makes sense and I felt like I was just going with the flow. And I felt like I got lied to several times
11:45
You're being naive. Serial murderers, serial rapists, these people can't be released to the community, they are not going to show up to court just because they get some texts.
This is the public safety component.
That lady from the bail project really pissed me off. Why is she sitting there talking about effective notification systems of when to appear in court? She missed the entire point of why the cash bail system is bad. It's not because of a lack of a notification system, it's because nobody has the money to bail individuals out in the first place. I hate when people only do Symptom solving.
Not only is it unfair, it’s unconstitutional as the bail system is in direct conflict with the due process clauses in the fifth and fourteenth amendments.
Really how so? I guarantee this already went to supreme court.
Reread the 14th
Everything's about money in the US.
The criminal justice system is a huge problem here in the US, rooted in racism and classism.
Lets not standardize the bail system, last time we standardized something, we ended up raising a generation of young adults that can't sew a button or do their taxes correctly.
Simplest answer, DON'T COMMIT CRIMES. I'm no angel myself. I've been in jail for mistakes I've made, but I've never tried to blame anything on me winding up there.
If you've ever been a victim of a heinous crime, I'm sure you won't be quick to support an easy bail system. And if you've ever been arrested for a crime you did not commit, you would understand why the bail system is unfair. It is difficult to pick a side on this one.
Maybe be more careful with the next interview? This current one leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not the teenage girl actually was guilty of a crime (its unclear if she was aware or unaware of the robbery).
This messes with the ability of many people to actually feel sympathy or put the issue being discussed into proper context.
Chillin' why can’t you feel sympathy for people who have made mistakes?
@@SayHelloHelli Please re-read my comment.
Right off the bat I have no sympathy for folks having bail set so high. And I'm speaking from a position where I had 15,000 dollar bail myself for stuff I did, with no previous record. Yes I'm not happy with having to pay bail to a bail bondsman but if I'm being perfectly honest it was fair. That girl helped to rob that store, no sympathy for her. And over policing wouldn't be necessary if there wasn't high crime in an area ALREADY, this idea that it's racially motivated is absurd it's the community that has the crimes, and reducing police in a high crime area just INCREASES the crime rate, look at Chicago!
Phil I hate to say this but this reporting was framed in a particular light and was biased
Here’s a thought:
How about you don’t rob stores.
Sound good? Good.
When they're fighting it and coming up with counter-arguments i'm like... literally the rest of the world is evidence that your counter argument is wrong... There is no problem here. Remove the bail system... am I missing something?
Entrepreneur News the rest of the world isn’t the USA. They don’t share our issues or ways of life. Nor do they have our population demographic or history. So yeah you’re missing a lot.
Poorer neighborhoods in the US are more likely to house minorities and be over policed, leading to more arrests for misdemeanors. When you factor in that some cops are racist or vindictive, AND a history of planting evidence, you get a very flawed system that gets ignored. They're saying that even if the new algorithm works, the data being examined is still biased against poor minorities.
Bail bonds shouldn't be an industry.
It takes advantage of people.
mist0098 lol not at all. If any industry takes advantage of people is jail and attorneys