Live ND - Long Exposure with Olympus E-M1X
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Long exposures can be made with using ND-filters, but with the new Olympus OM-D E-M1X a feature called Live ND can be used. With Live ND you do not need an ND-filter to make log exposure. The filter is build inside, but it's not a physical filter. It is made with software.
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I love your this video. Very educational. I have used Live ND on my E-M1X on one waterfall. It works. I do use it would go longer than 5 stops.
It's good to see you figuring out how to use it and experimenting in the field. It's more useful and interesting than just someone sitting in an office and telling you the conclusion 😀
Great feature...cannot wait to use it with motion subjects....thank you for your videos.
This is exactly what I was about to play with this weekend 😄
I really like these tutorial type videos. Helps me tremendously.
Thank you! Glad I can help you!
Very well explained, Peter. Thank you
Thank you.
Helsinki semble être une très belle ville. J'ai hâte de la visiter. Merci pour le vidéo.
I realize I am getting in on this years after the E-M1X was introduced but I certainly appreciate the information you've shared via your various videos regarding this body. Thank you very much, for I am really happy to be able to continue with my Olympus glass coupled with the new body I obtained a couple of weeks ago.
My pleasure!
Nice video Peter was wondering about the new build in ND fillers. Yours was the 1st one I seen.
This was super cool
Hi, Peter! I tried ND live filters on my E-M1X with quite interesting results. I think the only exposure parameter you can control when using ND live filters is the aperture (stopping it down). In my case, using ND32 live filter, I had to stop down the aperture to f:1/14 to get a proper exposure on a very bright day. Also, attaching a CPL filter (2 stops down of light hitting the sensor) helped quite a lot.
Thaks for your good tips! I will try the nd Filters on mx1 on the beach of Saanjärvi! In May. Best regards from Switzerland!
Thanks Peter I had the problem that something was stoping me selecting the LND and you just answered it Perfect better than a camera manual that's you.
Great that you found the answer.
if you assign the ND function to a button, you can hold the button down and scroll the front dial to quickly switcher between ND values while seeing the impact at the same time ;) Great work and amazing content BTW. keep up the amazing work.
Thanks. That is a good tip.
The live ND is normal stacking, but in-body.
it's calculated by using real exposure * count of frames = full stacking time.
So if your ND gives you 2 seconds Exposure, then stacking with 10 frames means 20 second exposure of data, but with 2 seconds light exposure.
Same can be done in post with any editor, just shoot sequential like 50 frames and then in image editor stack them with median. You get total exposure value of exposure time * 50.
Except if you do your own stacking you won't stuck with the 1/2 second fastest shutter speed limitation, much much more freedom. How often anyone can shoot iso 200, F8 with 1/2 second exposure during a bright day anyway.
Rob Trek sent me your way last Sunday when I had questions on ND on EM1 Mkiii. Great documentation and field demonstration. Thank you so much for the very informative contributions!
Great video's subscribed
Thank you very much Nigel Lomas!
Peter, when you add 5 stops to 1.6 you get 3.2, 6.4, 12.8, 25.6. 51.2. So the 50 second exposure is correct. Could it be that you did not correctly set your variable filter to the correct value. Remember you only needed to be 1.5 stops out of alignment. You did say, "this is about right" :)
Could be a mistake in my setting the variable ND. Need to go back to that video and check it out.
Most variable ND filters are quite inaccurate. In fact, many stronger regular ND filters will vary quite a bit between manufacturers (a bit like ISO will vary between different camera manufacturers and even camera models).
Wonderful! addressed my questions. Just one more. I usually shoot clouds. I assume it is the same as explained with the tram one. The convenience is amazing! I usually take a pic keep the camera steady and then add the lens. with this I don't need any of it!
Glad it was helpful.
If you use the internal ND the camera will take 5 shots and stack them each shot is only a small exposure time as the lens has no attachments and the camera settings are a single shot normal exposure. However if you take the five shots with a normal ND attached, then each shot will be the same as having a normal ND exposure so if the Electronic ND is 15 seconds for the 5 shots the add on filter will be the time taken for a normal ND shot x 5. Which in the case you demonstrate is a minute. I am not sure if the electronic ND varies the speed on the 5 shot sequence it may well do, so this flows through to the time taken when a normal ND is fitted.
works well even handheld !!
Yes, it does.
What variable ND filter are you using? Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks. The Variable filters I use are from aurora-aperture.com.
How to put the histogram on the EM1X I can't find or see how to do it, someone help me? Thank you
Does LiveND be used to "reduce" noise in the image?
Sony had a similar feature on older cameras with PlayMemory apps, where you can get even longer exposures.
But the difference is, that it needed a tripod and it lasts forever to do this, where Olympus do this lightning fast.
Sadly, my Olympus doesent have this feature, so I use a ND1000 filter. In my opinion, it doesen't effect the quality that much.
That "waterfall" has some really nice colors.
Is the 50 seconds is the processing time? What was the effective exposure time.
I have experimented with the Live ND feature with mixed results due to a learning curve. This feature and the handheld high res were the primary reasons for purchasing the E-M1X. I have assigned the ND filter to a button which allows quick access. But still need to be able to quickly change between the ND levels. The major take away from you video was there seemed to be little difference between Live ND 32 and ND 32.
How did you assign it to a button? I have been looking for that option
@@tjerkheringa937 Go to Menu>Dial>B1>Button Functions >scroll to Assign L-Fn button (on the lens) or any other offered option.
Hi Peter, great video.I have a question. I want to photograph wind
turbines during the day, and make them look like daisies in the desert. I
was thinking of live ND, with a polarizer, or use hires mode with long
shutter speeds, I need to be in the desert during the day to get high winds to make the turbines turn. variable ND or ND filters alone. What are your thoughts. Thank you for your time and your
great videos.
ND filters are a good choice. If it is really bright you need quite dark filter. maybe even a 10 stop filter to get a long shutter speed enough. Do not go too long since that might make the blades invisible. Hires mode with long shutter speeds is worth a try. There might be some edges that the multiple shots makes. Sounds like a very interesting image. If manage to to that please share it to us.
In a long exposure is possible to decrease the noise with the Live ND as the Photo Stack tecnique with Photoshop or StarStacke sw ?
LiveND uses a similar method and yes why not stack several LiveND images in post for reducing noise.
Thanks for explanation Peter. However, I just got the OMD markiii and I tried using the ND feature but it wouldn't let me focus where I wanted to focus. Can you please explain the focusing situation while using this feature? Thanks.
It should be like with every situation. Have you accidentally turned on the MF?
Interesting feature. Is this purely a software thing if it's image stacking? Could an E-M1 Mk II do this if the firmware allowed it? Interesting possibilities.
It was done by software. That's what I have been told. It depends on how much processing power it needs. It stacks the images in camera. So I don't know if the processing power on the E-M1 MKII will be enough.
Hi Peter, what gloves do you use? Do they have special fingertips for manipulation of the camera?
Those are gloves that I got from Olympus a few years ago. I can use touch screen with the gloves.
Peter - where to you get that OM-D beany? I need one in my life :) Thanks
I do not know if those beanies are for sale. I got this one from Olympus.
When doing long exposures like this would you turn the noise reduction off or leave it on ? If you are doing a 2min exposure you would have to wait 4mins before you could take the next shot ?
Yes, noise reduction makes photographing slower.
@@ForsgardPeterThanks for the reply.
What did you find in your further testing of using Live ND + filter on the lens?
I have not done that yet. I know I should.
Hello Peter, is it possible to set up the Mk2, or any Oly, to shoot the jpeg+raw option and have menu settings optimized for both formats at the same time?
Love your work and videos! Cheers!
go to super control panel -- at the bottom of table see the number 1 and 2 the represent the card slots. (a card must be in the slot to allow this to be configured) once in the needed box hit OK button the options appear - you can shot is Raw / various levels of jpeg or a combination of both. There are a number of combination including writing different file type to each of the cards. Download full instruction PDF from Olympus to review those options
Dave T Thanks Dave, that’s helpful and I am having so much fun with this camera.
hope i can do live nd in one month with the Mark 3
I want them to put this and the hand held high res mode as an update to the EM1 MK2. Be great for backpackers like my self when we are out in the field in that lightweight body.
That would be great and we will see when the new E-M1 arrives. Do not know yet, but Olympus has said that the E-M1 -series will have to different cameras, the E-M1 MK -series and the X-series.
Any idea if Olympus plans on updating other cameras with this feature?
No idea. It would be great if they did.
the OM-D E-M5 Mark III will come out next spring and will have this feature, I was told yesterday by someone from Olympus yesterday at #digitaleventbaden
Very interesting, I really like that function. When Olympus will come with grad. ND filter ??? I need that so much for my landscape.
Peter, nice review.
Grad ND filter would be cool! I wonder if that would even be possible? Maybe it would.
@@ForsgardPeter Don't see why it wouldn't be. It is just software.
@@ArthurEmbleton Love that idea and agree that it should be software possible. Huge value add to the compact system.
Any clue why they only did up to 5 stops instead of 10? A fixed 5 stop is all that's needed to hit 10, but still, a full range of ND filters built in would be travel friendly priceless.
Hello Sir,
Great video once more!
Could you please tell me if OMD EM1 II has any filter?
Thanks
shahzad ahmed It does not.
Unfortunately, E-M1 MKII does not have Live ND.
Does live ND work in video mode? That's where I could see it being the most useful.
Unfortunately, it does not work with video.
Can you get a RAW image with built-in ND?
Yes if I remember that correctly.
the stacking works fine with fast moving objects like the train or water. But what about clouds. This probably will not show the desired effect. What do you think?
It is not at its best when photographing clouds.
Is that a sewage outflow you were photographing?
No, it is a river. The brown color comes from the mud.
And what's the difference compare to Olympus Live Composite? I might be wrong saying the feature name.
Live Composite takes as many images as you want and stacks them in camera. LiveND takes x amount of images in a short time and stacks them in post. They similar but for very different use.
Have you ever tried the live-ND feature on helicopters and/or prop-aircraft? What effect it gives?
No, I have not. That could be interesting.
Looking forward to your test ;)
I want cap like that!
You faster closing and opening Your eyes than burst mode in that oly :D
:D, faster than the new E-M1X!
I would like to see more of what the back screen looks like, i.e. the preview.
I know, it was my bad that I messed up a bit while making the video. The preview was too brief, but here is a link to my First. Impression video about the E-M1X: th-cam.com/video/Rk9R4Y6jg_8/w-d-xo.html It leads to the part where I show the preview of Live ND32.
Spanish om-system ambassador Photomoisho takes 95 percent of his landscape photos with the live ND filter on. He explains it gives him 2 stops extra dynamic range. Can you conform this, Peter?
LiveND reduces noise because it stacks images. It does not really add dynamic range, but with less noise it is possible to open up the shadows more. In that sense it can be true. I need to test that.
@@ForsgardPeter Thank you for your quick response!
Seems like your variable ND filter is not giving you what you think it is. 2sec VS 15sec is only +3 stops. So if the first was five, the latter was only 8 stops instead of 10.
thx for this video! My expectation with the combination of the internal and external ND filter is that I get 25 (5*5) stops and not 10 (5+5). The longer exposure time you get tell us the same. But maybe I'm wrong.
You are probably right.
And racing cars...😉
I'm confused. Your chart is displaying "the shortest shutter speed " but in the OM1 manual, they refer to the "slowest shutter speed available." Now that's a big difference. If it's the slowest shutter speed, then there is no limit on how short a shutter speed can be used. If it's the "shortest", then you can't use a faster shutter speed. For example, if you use ND8, you have to shoot at 1/8th of a second or slower. So I think you must mean the slowest not the shortest.
You can say that either way. The 1/8th is the fastest that can be used. No faster shutter speed is available. That is why it the fastest even though 1/8s is not a fast shutter speed.
@@ForsgardPeter I see. Thanks for clearing up my confusion. I think your way of putting it is clearer than the manual.
toimiiko toi live nd myös videoo kuvatessa
Valitettavasti ei toimi.
becouse 8x8 =64
You call about Speed restrictions. In the E-M1.3 it is no true...
What do you mean?
I know this 4 year old review , but just wondering how anyone can actually use this Live ND feature, with the limitation of faster shutter at 1/2 of a second, for 5 stop, plus the lowest native ISO at ISO 200, diffraction limit kick in so early at F8, can anyone really shoot a landscape picture in day light with ISO 200, F8, at 1/2 second??? is that a joke? I have a EM1X myself, but I found this Live ND is the most useless marketing BS Olympus packed into the camera. Guys, you really need to take a big grain of salt out of any brand's " visioneer" or "ambassador" has to say about their gears.
I have used LiveND a lot. Of course it is not as useful when it is really bright, but it is a good feature when it gets slight darker. It is not joke.