My grandfather worked in the Barrow in Furness shipyards and was a young man when Copperknob was retired and installed in its glass case. He told me about its history when I was a nipper. I'll never forget the pride he had for the engine, and its lucky survival of the bombing. It would be many years before I saw it in person in the National Collection, complete with dents and holes from 1942. Thanks for preserving it.
That old Number 3 knows the key to the best revenge , and that is standing tall and strong after such adversity . That's the perfect Locomotive to have housed in the museum to show the pride of your nation as well as the pride of the Victorians .
It travelled around before the National Collection became firmed up, I recall seeing it at the centenary of Rochdale Borough in 1956 in one of the railway station bay platforms with more modern locos
The foresight of those people, many years ago, to preserve a cornerstone of the industrial age, is to be commended. It would be interesting to discover who was responsible for the decision to preserve the loco. I noticed that the bar frame design had no cruciform crosspieces, to brace the forces of diagonal movement. Before the invention of the modern steam locomotive water injector device, I assume the system of providing water to the boiler was a matter of the seat of the pants intuition. The practice of some drivers of adjusting the tension on the safety value spring, to produce more power to maintain the timetable, using poor coal, or climbing a grade, snd ending a shift and forgetting to reset the valve, by a frost-bitten and sodden driver or fireman, needing a strong cup of tea to be able to hold a pencil to sign off, must have caused some disquiet. To be able to operate a loco at the time, was a belief of the railway company, which thought that providing protection to the driver would lull him into a state of overconfidence in the dynamic situation around him, of course, we now know this idea is counterproductive and dangerous. I hope to see more videos of this type in the future, if possible.
Lovely video on an iconic engine. I’d heard of Coppernob but didn’t really understand the fuss until this video. What a lovely engine and thank you for bringing the story to life for me!
First time I;ve seen this video, When it was at HAverthwaite for the Furnes sRailway 150 celebrations, a few modelling friends had the opportunity to look under the loco and tender. They knew Coppernob is not painted in FR Red. They found the genuine colour behind the frames of the tender. Much more rich purply red than that orange. Similar to haematite in fact
My late father as a native of Barrow was always rather miffed that it never returned to the town after the war. Could you not arrange for it to visit. Perhaps to the Dockside Museum?
The other Bury engine is in Cork, Ireland believe it ir not. Its a 2-2-2 and is a bit bigger than coppernob and was built in 1848. :) Edit: it has not tender
Certainly, a unique survivor from the early years of steam railways in England. And I think it somehow fitting that the damage from WW2 is left as-is to bear testimony to history in this manner.
This is a very well-made documentary, providing excellent information on this interesting, lightweight piece of machinery. Usually, Rolling Stock is indeed extremely heavy. Sad that this beautiful locomotive was damaged during the war. Looking forward to more documentaries from your beautiful Museum.
It's so thought forward to not to restore the locomotive at any point, but leave it as it is, even after the bombing. This way all of it's original features are preserved, and it may be one of the most original locomotives of the early days of the railways.
I've always like this loco, it fascinates me, have looked at the footplate when I was much younger and it was located at the old York Railway Museum in The Railway Institute Buildings. Thank you for the info.
When seeing Coppernob at the Museum, you honestly don't really see the damage from the bomb it caused, have to take a closer look when I visit the Museum in the future, awesome video.
Very enjoyable video but I wonder if anyone else had trouble with the flickering black and white sequences? Possibly just my ancient eyes but they're the only ones I've got!
I know that bringing copperknob back to steam would be out of the question, but how much might it cost theoretically to make a replica or new build of the design?
Her sister survives and is in working order. If memory serves No 20 was rebuilt at the shipyards at Barrow and worked for a while on the Lakeside and Hathertwate railway, where she is now I don't know. But I do want to see her in action some day.
@@T3ki1a_ I had friends in Genk one worked in the yard at Winterslag, They took me to the museum and I thought it could of been a lot better Very dark in there and things high up out of sight.
Great Engine, any way of finding drivers and fireman? My great great grandfather was supposed to have been one of the drivers back in the day, but no photos exist of him, as far as I'm aware
Great to see such an important piece of Furness history is so revered and looked after so such a pity you keep referring to a county that didn't exist when Coppernob was in service!
Back in an age when you could name something xxxxxxxxnob and there wasn’t a single snigger! I’m so immature. BTW I recently discovered this series and I think it is superb, each vid could easily hold my attention at twice the length. Incidentally I wonder if as in the Bullet train vid where you see inside the nose. I’d love to see inside the nose of a 37, or 45/6 or Deltic etc, why do they have a nose?
And of course, the London and Birmingham employed Bury locos. James Watt Boulton (of Boulton Sidings) bought up many, often altering them and hired or resold them to industry and contractors.
Can you please make a video of the GNR Stirling Single locomotive. It's my favourite steam engine of all time and would love to hear more about her (yes, i said "her" because of Emily from Thomas and Friends)
….. would love to know how it survived into preservation post war. I can imagine with all that copper and iron it could have been some easily scrapped for the war effort. Who had it or took custody of it, and then where did it go in the intervening years?
It was stored at Crewe Locomotive Works for the remainder of the war. My guess is that it was under the ownership of the L.M.S. Railway-I know they sent Coppernob, along with the old express engine Columbine, to represent them at the British Empire Exhibition at Wembley in 1925 and I believe it was already considered one of the L.M.S.'s small collection of preserved engines. While scrap metal was indeed at a premium during the war, the U.K. was already committed to the preservation of certain historic machines. Many of them were taken from display at industrial sites (often locomotive works, like the L.N.E.R.'s large collection that later formed the nucleus of the N.R.M.) and stored in more remote regions for the war precisely for fear they would be damaged by air raids. Coppernob, of course, being the pride of Barrow-in-Furness, was defiantly kept in place at his station until it was destroyed. Gallant old thing!
Anthony says: "We believe in showing our collection in a way that is true to itself and to repair the damage would remove a whole aspect of the locomotive's history. The LMS chose not to repair it in the 1940s, and we see no reason to either, 80 years on."
Yes! A few have been to visit over the years, but we don't have any of US origin. Flying Scotsman started a US tour in 1969. Duchess of Hamilton (6229) toured in 1939, renumbered 6220 to assume the identity of Coronation. In the 1980s and 1990s, our Rocket replica and J52 tank engine (1247) visited. Our GWR 6000 class King George V also popped over in 1927 for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad’s centenary celebrations. Thanks for watching.
CAN we send all these trains to Doltan Illinois along with show tracks ? We can offer relocation to the residents #thomas #Sony #Asean #Japan #Princewilliam #Doltan #Coppernob #CopperKnob
Hey, what's with the subliminal message between 4:46 and 4:47 ? There's like a few frames that ARE NOT supposed to be in there and I don't know who the heck it is. But that kind of thing is more than a little illegal.
It's a flash frame of Bruce Springsteen aka "The Boss" which is shown whilst he's talking about the boss. And actually there's no specific law preventing the use of subliminal images in something like this, at least in the UK. They're only explicitly illegal in advertising. A googling reveals the US (and TH-cam is a US company) has no laws against them at all from what I can see. Because the use here is comedic it's fully allowable under freedom of expression. The only legal issue I can imagine is that the image may be copyrighted and used without permission.
At least this survived war thankfully. A bunch the neat German historical stuff from Medieval times to WW1 was destroyed in a museum in Dresden Germany during the war and amongst the collection was the only surviving WW1 Fokker Eindecker from the great war as the Allies made the Germans destroy most of their military stuff from the period after they signed the Armistice. Not sure on what else was lost besides armour, swords & the like. War only accomplishes one thing destruction.
3.50 & 5.09: please note that 'cumbria' is not a real place, simply a local government organisation created in 1974 and being abolished next year; therefore irrelevant to the history of the Furness Rly. Furness itself is in Lancashire, whilst from Grange-over-Sands onwards, the FR's route was in Cumberland.
This video was made as an internal joke to see how many times they could say Coppernob, and could they get a frame of Bruce Springsteen in. Success all round.
Please decide which camera you're going to address, and use the footage from that camera. It's incredibly distracting and disengaging when you suddenly look away and you're not talking to the viewer any more.
My grandfather worked in the Barrow in Furness shipyards and was a young man when Copperknob was retired and installed in its glass case. He told me about its history when I was a nipper. I'll never forget the pride he had for the engine, and its lucky survival of the bombing. It would be many years before I saw it in person in the National Collection, complete with dents and holes from 1942. Thanks for preserving it.
I live in barrow-in-Furness and I feel quite proud this part of loco history is on display
That old Number 3 knows the key to the best revenge , and that is standing tall and strong after such adversity . That's the perfect Locomotive to have housed in the museum to show the pride of your nation as well as the pride of the Victorians .
Yes!! Another awesome video. Bruce Springsteen spotted at the bit about the polished boss 🤣 An utterly beautiful engine 🔥👏
I have seen the Furness Railway's no.20 (built in 1863) operating a number of times and it also painted this colour. Now
I know why - thank you!
At 4:46 there are 2 frames showing a still of Bruce Springsteen, as the commentary mentions, "the boss".
Loved that you did that. ; - )
Wondered who that was 😛
Really quite annoying - I didn’t recognise the person in the image and thought initially it was a political statement. Perhaps it is?
Interesting subliminal message?
lol. I didn't even notice
It travelled around before the National Collection became firmed up, I recall seeing it at the centenary of Rochdale Borough in 1956 in one of the railway station bay platforms with more modern locos
The foresight of those people, many years ago, to preserve a cornerstone of the industrial age, is to be commended. It would be interesting to discover who was responsible for the decision to preserve the loco.
I noticed that the bar frame design had no cruciform crosspieces, to brace the forces of diagonal movement.
Before the invention of the modern steam locomotive water injector device, I assume the system of providing water to the boiler was a matter of the seat of the pants intuition.
The practice of some drivers of adjusting the tension on the safety value spring, to produce more power to maintain the timetable, using poor coal, or climbing a grade, snd ending a shift and forgetting to reset the valve, by a frost-bitten and sodden driver or fireman, needing a strong cup of tea to be able to hold a pencil to sign off, must have caused some disquiet.
To be able to operate a loco at the time, was a belief of the railway company, which thought that providing protection to the driver would lull him into a state of overconfidence in the dynamic situation around him, of course, we now know this idea is counterproductive and dangerous.
I hope to see more videos of this type in the future, if possible.
What an absolute treasure for the entire world to have. Great video
4:47
Didn’t expect that in a video about a locomotive from the 1840s, but it’s a welcome surprise!
Who is that person that appears at 4:47?
@@Android368 Bruce Springsteen, "The Boss"
Lovely video on an iconic engine. I’d heard of Coppernob but didn’t really understand the fuss until this video. What a lovely engine and thank you for bringing the story to life for me!
First time I;ve seen this video, When it was at HAverthwaite for the Furnes sRailway 150 celebrations, a few modelling friends had the opportunity to look under the loco and tender. They knew Coppernob is not painted in FR Red. They found the genuine colour behind the frames of the tender. Much more rich purply red than that orange. Similar to haematite in fact
My late father as a native of Barrow was always rather miffed that it never returned to the town after the war. Could you not arrange for it to visit. Perhaps to the Dockside Museum?
The other Bury engine is in Cork, Ireland believe it ir not. Its a 2-2-2 and is a bit bigger than coppernob and was built in 1848. :)
Edit: it has not tender
I've seen that it's very nice
Certainly, a unique survivor from the early years of steam railways in England. And I think it somehow fitting that the damage from WW2 is left as-is to bear testimony to history in this manner.
This is a very well-made documentary, providing excellent information on this interesting, lightweight piece of machinery. Usually, Rolling Stock is indeed extremely heavy. Sad that this beautiful locomotive was damaged during the war. Looking forward to more documentaries from your beautiful Museum.
So nice to see this engine, I saw it when it was exhibited in Dresden Germany some years ago.
It's so thought forward to not to restore the locomotive at any point, but leave it as it is, even after the bombing.
This way all of it's original features are preserved, and it may be one of the most original locomotives of the early days of the railways.
Great to see there’s lots of content being uploaded
Cracking explanation of a great machine. Thanks Ant. There is a motorcycle with the same name that raced at Brooklands.
Another great video, as Capt Mainwaring would say those beastly Germans have been at it again.
I've always like this loco, it fascinates me, have looked at the footplate when I was much younger and it was located at the old York Railway Museum in The Railway Institute Buildings. Thank you for the info.
Fascinating history and engineering. Thank you.
When seeing Coppernob at the Museum, you honestly don't really see the damage from the bomb it caused, have to take a closer look when I visit the Museum in the future, awesome video.
4:46 Yes, Bruce is a boss! XD Great video!
Hay mate,i really enjoyed that.I thought #3 was 'marvellous'.
Thanks.
Brilliant Ant as always
Show us the BR class 52 please!
Anth, could you do a video on FR20 please
I like it, one of the few furness railway engines left.
Absolutely amazing! I would have never known that without this video! Keep the videos coming!!!
Absolute passion in this video, love it
Barframes went over quite well in the US. Good job, Mr. Bury.
instant sub, nicley presented, easy to follow, enought tech specs and facts to keep most happy and very well put together.
Thanks very much!
I always thought all the dings and damage were due to age not that it was an indirect victim of a WW2 bomb, that was interesting to learn.
Love this series!
I would love to see more of the passenger and cargo carriages of old so we can see how they have developed over the years.
I hope Cobernob gets some interest by high quality model railway companies. Her dome is soooo good.
Can you please do the numbers in metric too? Great video of a great locomotive!
Yea I thought Britain was metric. I don’t do imperial anymore.
boss jumpscare 4:46
Gracias!! Muy buen relato.
Very enjoyable video but I wonder if anyone else had trouble with the flickering black and white sequences? Possibly just my ancient eyes but they're the only ones I've got!
I know that bringing copperknob back to steam would be out of the question, but how much might it cost theoretically to make a replica or new build of the design?
Anthony says:
"To design and build a new Coppernob would likely be upwards of £1 million now."
Although other more complex but extinct locomotives have been and are being built from scratch. Most notably Tornado.
Her sister survives and is in working order.
If memory serves No 20 was rebuilt at the shipyards at Barrow and worked for a while on the Lakeside and Hathertwate railway, where she is now I don't know. But I do want to see her in action some day.
@@factorscrinium Tornado was built as new. There are a number of replica locos such as Lion, a couple of Trevithick locos, etc.
looking foward to visit the Museum nexgt weekend (Coming from Bemgium)
Enjoy your visit It is a lot bigger than Trainworld in Brussels allow plenty of time
@@cedarcam trainworld is low-key disappointing
@@T3ki1a_ I had friends in Genk one worked in the yard at Winterslag, They took me to the museum and I thought it could of been a lot better Very dark in there and things high up out of sight.
@@cedarcam yes that's what I was thinking too- they don't have much and the little things they got they hide it- truly a shame-
I really enjoy these videos; a great series!
Just discovered you and subscribed!
Great Engine, any way of finding drivers and fireman? My great great grandfather was supposed to have been one of the drivers back in the day, but no photos exist of him, as far as I'm aware
Great to see such an important piece of Furness history is so revered and looked after so such a pity you keep referring to a county that didn't exist when Coppernob was in service!
Wow! That was interesting!
Are there only two Bury types left in the world? I'm thinking there are three. Copperknob, shown here, GS&WR No.36, P&R No.1 "Rocket".
P&R Rocket wasn’t built directly by Bury. It was built under license by Braithwaite, Milner & Co
@@Hammerandhearth Of course, but he did say "type".
As someone from New Jersey I appreciate the Boss reference
Great video but 1 question what's going on at 4:47 who is that bloke
Anybody else notice the brief flash of a man when he says "boss"?
Yep, that's Bruce Springsteen, nicknamed "the boss"
@@musab.k.9870 ahhhhhhh that makes sense
Back in an age when you could name something xxxxxxxxnob and there wasn’t a single snigger! I’m so immature.
BTW I recently discovered this series and I think it is superb, each vid could easily hold my attention at twice the length.
Incidentally I wonder if as in the Bullet train vid where you see inside the nose. I’d love to see inside the nose of a 37, or 45/6 or Deltic etc, why do they have a nose?
You'll be able to see inside the nose of a Deltic in a few weeks :) Thanks for watching
Whose face appears as a flashframe at 4:46?
Was there last year and I will admit I had a childish giggle at its name 😂
Please can you do the APT
It's on the list!
We really need a oo model of this locomotive
Sometimes, history does not end with retirement!
And of course, the London and Birmingham employed Bury locos. James Watt Boulton (of Boulton Sidings) bought up many, often altering them and hired or resold them to industry and contractors.
Those baggy jumper cuffs would drive me mad
Can you please make a video of the GNR Stirling Single locomotive. It's my favourite steam engine of all time and would love to hear more about her (yes, i said "her" because of Emily from Thomas and Friends)
I notice it carries 2 numberplates. Does that mean the one which was stolen was fortunately recovered, or is one a replica?
Any reason why there is a picture of Bruce Springsteen at 4:46
I would like to see the class 31 or the class 20
Coppernob looks like you could buy her at IKEA
Enjoyed seeing the boss… 🤭
Who's the guy at 4.47?
….. would love to know how it survived into preservation post war.
I can imagine with all that copper and iron it could have been some easily scrapped for the war effort.
Who had it or took custody of it, and then where did it go in the intervening years?
It was stored at Crewe Locomotive Works for the remainder of the war. My guess is that it was under the ownership of the L.M.S. Railway-I know they sent Coppernob, along with the old express engine Columbine, to represent them at the British Empire Exhibition at Wembley in 1925 and I believe it was already considered one of the L.M.S.'s small collection of preserved engines.
While scrap metal was indeed at a premium during the war, the U.K. was already committed to the preservation of certain historic machines. Many of them were taken from display at industrial sites (often locomotive works, like the L.N.E.R.'s large collection that later formed the nucleus of the N.R.M.) and stored in more remote regions for the war precisely for fear they would be damaged by air raids. Coppernob, of course, being the pride of Barrow-in-Furness, was defiantly kept in place at his station until it was destroyed. Gallant old thing!
@@jobeygeorge2402 Correction - it was stored at Horwich works where it was photographed,
4:46 was that Bruce Springsteen????
Also, why didn't the NRM fix her war time damage?
Anthony says:
"We believe in showing our collection in a way that is true to itself and to repair the damage would remove a whole aspect of the locomotive's history. The LMS chose not to repair it in the 1940s, and we see no reason to either, 80 years on."
4:46 "The boss" Bruce Springsteen
Shame about the cable tie footplate barrier on the left side!
Do you gentlemen, have an engine that operated in the US?
Yes! A few have been to visit over the years, but we don't have any of US origin.
Flying Scotsman started a US tour in 1969. Duchess of Hamilton (6229) toured in 1939, renumbered 6220 to assume the identity of Coronation. In the 1980s and 1990s, our Rocket replica and J52 tank engine (1247) visited. Our GWR 6000 class King George V also popped over in 1927 for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad’s centenary celebrations.
Thanks for watching.
4:40 the boss😂
Honestly the UK should’ve switched to the Janey coupler.
CAN we send all these trains to Doltan Illinois along with show tracks ? We can offer relocation to the residents #thomas #Sony #Asean #Japan #Princewilliam #Doltan #Coppernob #CopperKnob
And you say this was from Springsteen's new Jersey locomotive works???
4:47 why is there a random picture of Bruce Springsteen that flashes up for a second?
The presenter mentions the boss of the wheel at that point, and evidently Bruce Springsteen was known as The Boss.
Can see Hornby doing one of these.
And charging £200 for it
@@NicksPokeStop Only if another company plan to do one, otherwise no chance
Who needs Hornby? Sam’s Trains released a video a few days ago designing one for his 3D printer :-)
I don't know why, but i have a sudden urge to listen to Bruce Springsteen's ''Downward Train'' after watching this video.
Hey, what's with the subliminal message between 4:46 and 4:47 ? There's like a few frames that ARE NOT supposed to be in there and I don't know who the heck it is. But that kind of thing is more than a little illegal.
It's a flash frame of Bruce Springsteen aka "The Boss" which is shown whilst he's talking about the boss.
And actually there's no specific law preventing the use of subliminal images in something like this, at least in the UK. They're only explicitly illegal in advertising. A googling reveals the US (and TH-cam is a US company) has no laws against them at all from what I can see.
Because the use here is comedic it's fully allowable under freedom of expression. The only legal issue I can imagine is that the image may be copyrighted and used without permission.
why hadnt they put a simple woodcab on it back then? would be much comfyier and more attractive
Ive always thought we got of lucky during the war, where as most of Europe was levelled
4:47
At least this survived war thankfully. A bunch the neat German historical stuff from Medieval times to WW1 was destroyed in a museum in Dresden Germany during the war and amongst the collection was the only surviving WW1 Fokker Eindecker from the great war as the Allies made the Germans destroy most of their military stuff from the period after they signed the Armistice. Not sure on what else was lost besides armour, swords & the like. War only accomplishes one thing destruction.
Isn’t that the Duke of Sussex nick name?
Not shrapnel it’s fragmentation
The subliminal Bruce message 'born to run' ?
3.50 & 5.09: please note that 'cumbria' is not a real place, simply a local government organisation created in 1974 and being abolished next year; therefore irrelevant to the history of the Furness Rly. Furness itself is in Lancashire, whilst from Grange-over-Sands onwards, the FR's route was in Cumberland.
Correction - Lancashire, a little bit in Westmorland and beyond Foxfield the main line was / is in Cumberland
4:46 has bruce Springsteen appeare for a second?
This video was made as an internal joke to see how many times they could say Coppernob, and could they get a frame of Bruce Springsteen in. Success all round.
Ginger haired man presents a video entitled 'Coppernob'. I was expecting a whole other kind of video. :-)
Please decide which camera you're going to address, and use the footage from that camera. It's incredibly distracting and disengaging when you suddenly look away and you're not talking to the viewer any more.
4:45