I really enjoyed playing Saki. She was a rather unique type of zoner with her bullet system. Unblockable bullet was absurd from the TvC experience I had, not sure if the meta of the current scene is different.
9:13 here starts the phrase "why did they make this little girl so damaging?" once the sentence is finished, Roll gives the tiniest of steps forward and in reaction jmcrofts dashes away from her. I know this was a coincidence but it makes her appear even more threatening.
Deff more of TvC. This is the forgotten vs game. And it really needs more love cause the mechanics are so interesting, with baroque and mega crash so both offence and defences are interesting with meter management.
@@KaitouKaiju Nova from MVC3u had a mechanic like it, but it was just to dump into his supers/moves to enhance a few of them. Nothing to really think about, where as here it can be used to make unsafe move safe, extend combos, dump for BIG damage if you have enough of it. Weighting losing recoverable health for all those options makes interactions more interesting, and of course your opponent has to think about it too, as even the tiniest bit = options for them to have to worry about. And then mega crash can just make someone waste all of it, but at the cost of meter. I always felt the Vs games lacked defensive options and in turn turned to games into whoever touched first wins. TvC 'could' be like that, but the mega crash was always a threat to be thinking about. It's the same reason I like Killer Instinct as much as I do, both sides are always in the fight, not just the one at advantage with a hit.
Roll is a delightful background character. I always enjoy when characters from the background or supporting cast gets a chance to go toe to toe with all the heroes and main characters.
I mean she's not the worst in any game, more often than not shes playable. Her worst appearance was probably ST and she isn't even bottom 1 in that game.
@@doctorpistachio242 idk about that. Shes not the worst thing ever but she has some tough matchups. I think Akuma(duh), Dhalsim, Claw, Guile and shotos, not counting the old characters.
@@tootsie_ most old characters are surprisingly worst than the new, really only sagat, Ken and T.hawk for throw loops are better than new counterparts. Most new tier lists place her around 5th or 6th after the characters you listed tho.
you laugh about roll just having a broom, but kohaku's been top tier in just about every version of melty blood to date, so i would watch it with the cleaning supplies slander
@@YOFACE9999 Being on Wii plus the rather odd crossover material which was of waning relevance even in Japan at time of release (as evidenced by how most of the Tatsunoko cast is from the 70s and 80s). But the game is super cool. I think it was almost practice for MvC3 though stuff like Baroque and giant characters that weren't in Marvel were really fun.
Never too late to play it I ordered a Wii and tatsunoko vs Capcom in 2018 off eBay it was my first time playing it I liked the game a lot definitely a solid vs series game and way better the mvc infinite
I feel like "Top Tier Roll" must've been some sort of in-joke by the dev team & they specifically made her this good to troll people who were used to her being abysmal in MvC2, and I can respect that mentality. After all, Roll carried me a ton back when I played this. I readily admit it. Also, *please* talk about PTX-40A, or the two giant characters in general, just because they felt so different.
They need to make a new Tatsunoko vs Capcom, I loved this game and the soundtrack. Orbital Rings Systems Cargo Bay was an elite track. I also want a Marvel vs Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
@@SwagMaster824 First order of business is just a Switch port of this with better netcode. If I recall, Nintendo of America was heavily involved in its US release and sorting out the copyright mess so it would have to be a Switch exclusive but we could work with that. THEN maybe add a few more characters (apparently they had models done for Phoenix Wright and Nurse Witch Komugi).
To be honest, id rather Capcom just made a Vs. Game with only Capcom cast. Or finally make a Namco vs Capcom Fighting game.... And i don't mean SF x Tekken. NAMCO Vs Capcom
@@GELTONZ I just don’t see it man. Too many different people involved with the copyrights. Plus it’s not like everyone is talking about Tatsunoko characters right now. MVC2 has a way better chance of getting a remaster than TvC probably ever could. And even getting the rights to re do MVC2 is already gonna be challenging enough id imagine how much harder it would be for Tatsunoko characters.
This game allowed me to play as Blade. I grew up watching Teknoman (at least that's what it was called in Australia) and when I saw him here I freaked. LOVE this game and the VA is great!
If they managed to get the licenses to re-release this on Steam with rollback, I think this would be a top 5 GOAT game in the FGC. Love everything about this game, I should really give netplay a try on Dolphin...
She's not top tier, but she's viable, Roll was rare in TvC I mained roll. I took advantage of the lack of knowledge to do well with her. The's powerful, but the cast in general was much MORE powerful. or they were weaker but took much less effort than roll. i had to put a SHITLOAD of work into roll....
I used Roll too and I had massive amount of wins with her online. My opponents didn't want to block low + I didn't really give her the rightful partner. It was all Ryu and Roll in a team for me. Roll works better with another partner than Ryu imo.
Aww hell yeah, I loved playing Roll in this game So glad they completely revamped her moveset, I don't like a thing about her in MvC2, and not just because she's trash
YOU CAN-- I never even _thought_ about sweeping up your own puddles. That's _so rad!_ If I had any appreciable patience for setting up anything more complicated than a S/NES emulator, I...well, I'd probably have finished that P1 playthrough I started first, but _then_ I would be on this so fast. Roll/Zero is even my _teeeeeeam let's goooooo_ Hadn't realized her TvC incarnation took inspiration from Powered Up, even despite that being one of the few games I've actually fully completed. But in hindsight, absolutely makes sense, yup. ...JM you made the MvC2 Roll video. You already know why they made her so powerful: to make up for every other fighting game she'd been playable in. :|
man keep up these awesome videos. I have so little knowledge of this game but remember loving it as a kid. And I find interesting character design super fascinating to learn. I’d love to see more obscure character explorations. Or even basic characters but from more obscure games.
Really cool to hear that one of my TvC mains is considered so highly... it's also just nice to see TvC getting some love through videos like this. It is my favourite of the Vs. Capcom games and this was both a fun and informative video (never knew about the puddle-sweep power-up mechanic).
Otg means “off the ground” not “on the ground”. If it meant on the ground then it would denote any attack performed on the ground. Off the ground is specifically used for an attack that is able to pick the opponent off the ground to continue a combo after being knocked down
Someone at Capcom was like, "Finally! I may have failed my first design for Roll... but this next incarnation shall be... MY MASTERPIECE! Never again will my creations be considered garbage tier."
My main team is Roll and Polimar. I'm surprised he didn't point out the charged water toss goes all the way across the screen and can be held after switching out meaning her assist will throw one straight beam and the rest are puddles. Roll ground scrape holds long enough for Polimar to run them over. She can also hold them on the ground long enough for Polimar to come back.
Another Roll Fact: Ok so since it was mentioned but not really talked to much about, Roll has a special of which it heals her. The special falls from the sky. It is incredibly good, as it heals ANY (be it foe or ally) robot character (Cashan, Mega Man Volnut, Zero) and does minor damage to any human characters. The downside is it would leave Roll preeeeetty vulnerable as she gets on her knees to wait for the heal. Back in the day, I would have Zero as a point character then eventually switch to Roll. With all the special I built, I could use Roll’s special to heal and Switch to Zero’s clone special for a heal and a power up for Zero. Stupid Fact: It also heals the giants of the game which come on... If they manage to steal that, they kind of deserve it. You have to be pretty bad to let that happen. I was a Lightan, Zero, Volnut main back in the day. Mostly Lightan.
i know its not that good in pro play, but when her broom is charged her bucket also changes to be similar to a beam, so you can kinda zone people out with poodle+beam, it was how i used to play with her back then
That background is tigtht! This game is really interesting, the only thing I don't like is the same in MvsC2, that the game doesn't have the 6 button system. I know that Wii pads are weird but...
Man I wish I still had a copy of this game! I used to play Roll, Jun, Yatterman #2, and Saki. I sucked at all of them but the game was so fun and I pretty much just casually played it.
I seem to recall she partners well with Alex since her assist covers his "divekick" really well. One of her strengths is that assists in general in this game are weaker. There are a ton of interesting other characters. Saki has an unblockable on incoming iirc and Yatter-2 has a summon super that leads to some truly oppressive blockstrings. Karas is so fast that his damage had to be nerfed to bits, and Alex can combo into an unscaled air command grab.
Are there Any other TvC characters you'd like to see covered??
Batsu!
The giants (Gold Lightan and PTX-40A) are such a bizarre idea for a tag-team fighter. Would love to hear more about them
Casshan or Megaman Volnutt would be really cool to see. Both were my mains for years.
I need to see Jun the Swan actually played at a good level! I was so bad at this game but she was one of my favorites.
I really enjoyed playing Saki. She was a rather unique type of zoner with her bullet system. Unblockable bullet was absurd from the TvC experience I had, not sure if the meta of the current scene is different.
Don’t forget dark souls, roll’s pretty good there too
Edit: Thanks for all the likes lmao
Edit 2: Elden ring now aswell
Genius
Bruh... so true
Too…good
Clever
What do You mean dark souls roll?
"Why did they make this little girl so damaging?"
I mean somebody is gonna sweep the cast, might as well be her.
A clean sweep no less
Cuz it’s a troll and her assist I’d pretty damn gud
Because you must be some mean bully to fight with a little girl
She uses a broom and her sweep attack is literally a sweep... Huh...
....I thought that was a mop
😆😆😆😆😆
9:13 here starts the phrase "why did they make this little girl so damaging?" once the sentence is finished, Roll gives the tiniest of steps forward and in reaction jmcrofts dashes away from her. I know this was a coincidence but it makes her appear even more threatening.
Deff more of TvC. This is the forgotten vs game. And it really needs more love cause the mechanics are so interesting, with baroque and mega crash so both offence and defences are interesting with meter management.
It's the only one I've seen do anything significant with red health
@@KaitouKaiju Nova from MVC3u had a mechanic like it, but it was just to dump into his supers/moves to enhance a few of them. Nothing to really think about, where as here it can be used to make unsafe move safe, extend combos, dump for BIG damage if you have enough of it.
Weighting losing recoverable health for all those options makes interactions more interesting, and of course your opponent has to think about it too, as even the tiniest bit = options for them to have to worry about.
And then mega crash can just make someone waste all of it, but at the cost of meter. I always felt the Vs games lacked defensive options and in turn turned to games into whoever touched first wins. TvC 'could' be like that, but the mega crash was always a threat to be thinking about.
It's the same reason I like Killer Instinct as much as I do, both sides are always in the fight, not just the one at advantage with a hit.
I think this channel is where I first saw TvC. There are lots of versus Capcom games, but I didn't know about this game until last year!
Loved Polimar, Cashan, Zero, Ipatsuman, Roll, and P2X40A in this
You can jump over her to steal her heal if she doesn't kd you. She can also swap and heal someone else iirc
Roll is a delightful background character.
I always enjoy when characters from the background or supporting cast gets a chance to go toe to toe with all the heroes and main characters.
She pulled a reverse Chun-Li. I swear, for every game where Chun dominates, there's one right after where she's trash.
I mean she's not the worst in any game, more often than not shes playable. Her worst appearance was probably ST and she isn't even bottom 1 in that game.
for every 3s chun there's always a st chun
Chun is like top 5 in ST what?
@@doctorpistachio242 idk about that. Shes not the worst thing ever but she has some tough matchups. I think Akuma(duh), Dhalsim, Claw, Guile and shotos, not counting the old characters.
@@tootsie_ most old characters are surprisingly worst than the new, really only sagat, Ken and T.hawk for throw loops are better than new counterparts. Most new tier lists place her around 5th or 6th after the characters you listed tho.
you laugh about roll just having a broom, but kohaku's been top tier in just about every version of melty blood to date, so i would watch it with the cleaning supplies slander
I prefer Hisui myself, but then again I often play both sisters simultaneously.
I never played this game, but the art style is gorgeous wow
Very underrated game. But it was dead on arrival being on wii. But i was hyped as hell when this game came out.
@@YOFACE9999 Being on Wii plus the rather odd crossover material which was of waning relevance even in Japan at time of release (as evidenced by how most of the Tatsunoko cast is from the 70s and 80s).
But the game is super cool. I think it was almost practice for MvC3 though stuff like Baroque and giant characters that weren't in Marvel were really fun.
It’s my favorite of the Vs. series. The art style, the gameplay, the “odd” choice of Tatsunoko. Such a shame it was limited to just the Wii
@@Zetact_ also no speed racer? That’s dumb af.
Never too late to play it I ordered a Wii and tatsunoko vs Capcom in 2018 off eBay it was my first time playing it I liked the game a lot definitely a solid vs series game and way better the mvc infinite
I feel like "Top Tier Roll" must've been some sort of in-joke by the dev team & they specifically made her this good to troll people who were used to her being abysmal in MvC2, and I can respect that mentality.
After all, Roll carried me a ton back when I played this. I readily admit it.
Also, *please* talk about PTX-40A, or the two giant characters in general, just because they felt so different.
Gold Lightan: because sometimes your vs fighter needs a random super robot cigarette lighter.
She improved by having a broom.
Hisui needs to take notes.
She took notes and decided kohaku needed the help more.
And it definitely worked for kohaku too, top tier!
I remember picking this character up as a meme when I first bought it, realizing very quickly that she’s actually nutty
Nah Roll's mid tier at best. Just look up the tier list for this game.
I mean people are still playing the game. Is it possible the tier list is different now?
@@WitcherSoda Like how jiggly puff was z tier and then hungrybox won tournaments and turned actually good
@@philithegamer8265 tier lists are just based on people's opinion about how "good" they play with those characters...
@@philithegamer8265 which tier list? the eventhubs one?? 💀
MORE TVC PLEASE!!!
YEA WOOO TVC WOOOOO
To see people playing this game actually brings a tear to my eye
This is what happens when Roll uses 0.01% of her power. In MvC2 she's holding back to let the other characters have a chance.
You sir, are a weeb
And where she has none. She needs better control.
I'd love to see more TvC. I missed out on this game back when I was a junior in middle school.
They need to make a new Tatsunoko vs Capcom, I loved this game and the soundtrack. Orbital Rings Systems Cargo Bay was an elite track. I also want a Marvel vs Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
This game is a copyright mess. There’s no way in hell this game will probably ever happen again.
@@SwagMaster824 First order of business is just a Switch port of this with better netcode. If I recall, Nintendo of America was heavily involved in its US release and sorting out the copyright mess so it would have to be a Switch exclusive but we could work with that. THEN maybe add a few more characters (apparently they had models done for Phoenix Wright and Nurse Witch Komugi).
To be honest, id rather Capcom just made a Vs. Game with only Capcom cast. Or finally make a Namco vs Capcom Fighting game.... And i don't mean SF x Tekken. NAMCO Vs Capcom
@@GELTONZ I just don’t see it man. Too many different people involved with the copyrights. Plus it’s not like everyone is talking about Tatsunoko characters right now. MVC2 has a way better chance of getting a remaster than TvC probably ever could. And even getting the rights to re do MVC2 is already gonna be challenging enough id imagine how much harder it would be for Tatsunoko characters.
This game allowed me to play as Blade. I grew up watching Teknoman (at least that's what it was called in Australia) and when I saw him here I freaked. LOVE this game and the VA is great!
It was also called Teknoman in the USA. He was so hype!
Mate, also from Aus and a huge Tekkamam fan! Blade and regular in this game are so stylish.
Honestly, Roll had always been my favorite in each vs game. Trash or not, she's just my favorite
good to see this game is still getting some love, one of the most underrated fighters imo
If they managed to get the licenses to re-release this on Steam with rollback, I think this would be a top 5 GOAT game in the FGC. Love everything about this game, I should really give netplay a try on Dolphin...
TVC Roll: SMACK
MVC Roll: "we have purposely trained her wrong... as a joke."
I always play Roll in every vs game she's in, i knew this was the good version of her but i didn't know she was Top tier
She's not top tier, but she's viable, Roll was rare in TvC I mained roll. I took advantage of the lack of knowledge to do well with her. The's powerful, but the cast in general was much MORE powerful. or they were weaker but took much less effort than roll. i had to put a SHITLOAD of work into roll....
@@TheBlueArcher No one likes Roll though...
I used Roll too and I had massive amount of wins with her online. My opponents didn't want to block low + I didn't really give her the rightful partner. It was all Ryu and Roll in a team for me. Roll works better with another partner than Ryu imo.
@@virgog.houston3511 No one likes Roll though...
Agree to disagree statement but go off tho.
"She's kind of god-tier!"
You're forgiven for calling her trash in the other video. 👍
This is such a good game. My brother and I played it so much when it came out. So fun.
she also forms the most drip team name ever when paired with alex: team rolex
why did nobody tell me about this game, I'm sittin here playing the megaman and roll team in MvC while this game existed
Would be nice to see more content about this game, there were a lot of really cool and unique characters like the giants.
Aww hell yeah, I loved playing Roll in this game
So glad they completely revamped her moveset, I don't like a thing about her in MvC2, and not just because she's trash
You and me both, when I first saw she actually had the broom from Powered Up, I HAD to play as her.
That antiair super was hype as hell
Even back in the day I knew she was really good, half of her attacks covered giant portions of the screen
This game also features the best version of Zero as well.
Dr. Light: "Roll...go forth and show them the power of cleaning..."
It's actually cool seeing low tier character becoming good in another game, it shows that the dev care about those character.
There was once an absolut BEAST in TvC online... His tag was JAMES and he played Roll and Frank West. He was the undisputed king of TvC online...
I've never seen this game in my life, but damn does it look sick
That Air Back-Dash dodge at 17:21 made me do a double then triple take. NICE!!
She's the queen of un-mega crashable OTG combos.
This game underrated af tho 💯. Wish we could get a sequel 🙏😭
YOU CAN-- I never even _thought_ about sweeping up your own puddles. That's _so rad!_ If I had any appreciable patience for setting up anything more complicated than a S/NES emulator, I...well, I'd probably have finished that P1 playthrough I started first, but _then_ I would be on this so fast. Roll/Zero is even my _teeeeeeam let's goooooo_
Hadn't realized her TvC incarnation took inspiration from Powered Up, even despite that being one of the few games I've actually fully completed. But in hindsight, absolutely makes sense, yup.
...JM you made the MvC2 Roll video. You already know why they made her so powerful: to make up for every other fighting game she'd been playable in. :|
They need to put Roll in the inevitable upcoming SvC game
Can you imagine THIS Roll in MvC2?
She would be up there with Mega Man on the tier list with the tech she has.
I instantly knew what game he meant soon as I got this notification 😂
Yes, I'm proud of myself lol
That first stage you two were on was wild.
man keep up these awesome videos. I have so little knowledge of this game but remember loving it as a kid. And I find interesting character design super fascinating to learn. I’d love to see more obscure character explorations. Or even basic characters but from more obscure games.
"Most picked character in Top 8"
Someone update eventhubs, they still have Roll as dead-last in TvC
Really cool to hear that one of my TvC mains is considered so highly... it's also just nice to see TvC getting some love through videos like this. It is my favourite of the Vs. Capcom games and this was both a fun and informative video (never knew about the puddle-sweep power-up mechanic).
She is easily high tier in this game
Otg means “off the ground” not “on the ground”. If it meant on the ground then it would denote any attack performed on the ground. Off the ground is specifically used for an attack that is able to pick the opponent off the ground to continue a combo after being knocked down
Someone at Capcom was like, "Finally! I may have failed my first design for Roll... but this next incarnation shall be... MY MASTERPIECE! Never again will my creations be considered garbage tier."
Tatsunoko?? we are crossing boarders!
7:25 the people who designed Umbrella from Skullgirls took heavy from Roll
I love the lore and backstory with dr.science, all the tech. Great video.
She’s basically juggernaut with fly and 1/3 the hitbox
Alex is mad fun in TVC . I wish I still owned this game.
My main team is Roll and Polimar. I'm surprised he didn't point out the charged water toss goes all the way across the screen and can be held after switching out meaning her assist will throw one straight beam and the rest are puddles. Roll ground scrape holds long enough for Polimar to run them over. She can also hold them on the ground long enough for Polimar to come back.
The soft anime-esque look of this came is the best look out of all 3D VS games.
I love playing this game. I also liked playing Roll a lot in it.
Everybody knows you can't rock without roll.
Roll is secretly Vergil's daughter
I didn't see Roll throw a straight, short or mid bucket in the whole fights except for assists. She can throw a bucket straight.
Advancing guard is rewarding too
I was an early adopter of TvC Roll back in the CGoH days. One of these days I’ll get back into TvC.
I like how her dashes are like a witch flying on her broom
Ahh I loved this game so much, I don’t think Alex has ever been as good.
He was pretty good in 3rd Strike too
The chotto matte kudasai (please wait) when the puddle forms adds to the cake lmao
Another Roll Fact:
Ok so since it was mentioned but not really talked to much about, Roll has a special of which it heals her. The special falls from the sky. It is incredibly good, as it heals ANY (be it foe or ally) robot character (Cashan, Mega Man Volnut, Zero) and does minor damage to any human characters. The downside is it would leave Roll preeeeetty vulnerable as she gets on her knees to wait for the heal.
Back in the day, I would have Zero as a point character then eventually switch to Roll. With all the special I built, I could use Roll’s special to heal and Switch to Zero’s clone special for a heal and a power up for Zero.
Stupid Fact: It also heals the giants of the game which come on... If they manage to steal that, they kind of deserve it. You have to be pretty bad to let that happen. I was a Lightan, Zero, Volnut main back in the day. Mostly Lightan.
Good thing you mentioned her size, I was thinking about that the whole time, I always hate fighting tiny characters
"You have a million years to confirm" I lol'd at that
She reminds me of the robot maid Vickie from "Small Wonder"
i know its not that good in pro play, but when her broom is charged her bucket also changes to be similar to a beam, so you can kinda zone people out with poodle+beam, it was how i used to play with her back then
roll deserves anything
Actually the background is godlike. All fighting games should be like that.
11:58 i guess we can say he did a "Roll-back" there huh?
i used to love this game, its was the closest replace for mvc2 when I only had an Wii.
TvC was such a great game. I know it's licensing hell, but I will hope for a remaster or port or SOMETHING someday for it.
That background is tigtht! This game is really interesting, the only thing I don't like is the same in MvsC2, that the game doesn't have the 6 button system. I know that Wii pads are weird but...
So from Kohaku and Roll all I'm getting is girls with brooms are broken
why is jm still not getting the views he deserved man taught me fighterz and got me top 100
Man I wish I still had a copy of this game! I used to play Roll, Jun, Yatterman #2, and Saki. I sucked at all of them but the game was so fun and I pretty much just casually played it.
Shenanigans were called on her performance in MvC 2 so she went and grabbed a broom.
Love Roll in this game. I got through so many survival rounds because of her heal super.
it makes sense any character with a long weapon with decent frame data has easy neutral in basically any game
Roll in Tatsunoko vs Capcom > Roll in the Marvel vs Capcom serie.
I remember getting this game when I was little for the wii and god damn was the theme a banger
1:50 here comes the sandstorm/fog
Great, now I want to play this again for more TEKKAMAN-BLADOO!
Love this game! Wish the franchise crossover continued. This game was ahead of its time!
Most underrated Capcom vs. game
Honestly Tatsunoko was probably my favourite fighting game.
"She's a little cleaning robot."
So she's a roomba.
10:53 he just throws roll's assist out
Yeah.
My main character in TvsC.
I realy happy that hear she it top tier character. And also hoppe to see Roll more ofthen in other games
Grads
Still pop this game in from time to time! All players in this game are good! Remember this is on Wii so your limited but great game all around!
I had to watch twice since I was paying attention more on the background constantly changing than actually watching the video lol
I’m just mesmerized by the background
I'd be interested to see the Tekkamen talked about, always loved playing those 2 in this game
Tekkaman Blade was DOPE in this game!
I was captivated by the background ngl 🤣
Finally Roll getting the respect she deserves after spending the last 30+ years cleaning up after her brother
I seem to recall she partners well with Alex since her assist covers his "divekick" really well. One of her strengths is that assists in general in this game are weaker.
There are a ton of interesting other characters. Saki has an unblockable on incoming iirc and Yatter-2 has a summon super that leads to some truly oppressive blockstrings. Karas is so fast that his damage had to be nerfed to bits, and Alex can combo into an unscaled air command grab.
i never learned to play saki