Astron Aerospace Reveals Some Secret info on their Pistonless Omega 1 Engine - Starfire H2
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The original prototype was set to weigh in at just 35 ibs, and was set to produce around 160HP. Well both those numbers has swollen. So the engine will weigh more, but it will also produce more power. Now the new engine is said to weigh in at 120ibs or 54Kg’s with all its necessary hardware. Which is still super light weight especially when you take the power it makes into consideration. So how much power? Well According to the information they send me, their Gen 4.5 Omega 1 engine will produce 450 horse power. 450HP from one 54Kg motor is really insanely impressive. But how about torque? In my video I made about the omega 1, I got tones of comments stating that this engine wont make any torque. Well according to Astron Aerospace this engine will produce 600 ft pounds of torque or just over 800nm. And they said those power numbers is conservative. Pretty impressive.
So how big will the motor be? Well we now know that too. So we have 2 diagrams that shows us exactly how big the motor will be. From the front view, the engine will have a width of 11.42 inches or 29 centimeters and a height of 17.33 inches or 44 centimeters. When viewed from the side profile, the engine will have a width of 12.69 inches or 32.2 centimeters. So Overall, it appears that this engine won't be very big, which is great news. A smaller engine size means that it can be used in a wider range of applications.
Okay so we now know the size, weight and power of this engine. But that’s not all, we do have some more info. I did ask if this actual engine will run on Hydrogen. And their answer was “it can run on hydrogen with zero Harmful and Emissions”. Now I’m not sure how they are dealing with the Nox, but they will probably elaborate on that in the future. They also said that the motor will have a idling speed of 1500 RPM with the redline still set at a crazy high number of 25k RPM.
With The combination of hydrogen fuel and impressive performance capabilities makes this engine a highly anticipated development in the world of automotive technology. I can't wait to see how this engine will perform in real-world applications and how it will impact the industry as a whole.
#Hydrogen #combustionengine #25krpm #starfireh2
I want to see it put on a dyno and hear it run.
Nice job! With the Liquid Piston engine coming back into the conversation it will be interesting to see how this engine find its purpose.
liquid piston is dead... didnt work... all was fake? why? all those drones flying around and none are using it.
Experimental light aircraft are a good fit for those. That motor should be very inexpensive and have fantastic reliability given the design. Smaller 300bhp and 160bhp options would be good to go for too, as in aviation every gram is counted.
drones are even better... my guess we wont see this anywhere and slowly it will fall to obscurity and only conspiracy theorists will talk about it.
Can’t wait to here more on the Omega engine. Another fantastic report.
If there have been improvements for sure there will be more, if this is piston-less I assume thus less friction and less heat, less pollution, more power and more economy. Anyone who says is not going to work they are nuts.
Can it drive a drive shaft tho or run on normal and even crappy gasoline
@@THEANIMALGUYThe engine runs on hydrogen
@@sbrader97 but if it doesn't work with common fuels it will fall flat on its face the first world in general has the money to afford hydrogen or EV the only people that can find use in this engine that is cheap efficient and strong are the less fortunate people and less fortunate country's for example Africans middle easterns indian mongolians some south easterns Asia countries
Plus the less fortunate in first world countries that need the cheapest form of mobility that's personal not everyone can afford it if to can't run on common fuels plus who would make the infestructure for hydrogen? It's not economically viable unless the range is like a few thousand kilometers before needing a recharge (or refuel? Idk what word is for hydrogen) meaning they can make small number of stations far from each other in order to fuel every hydrogen car
I'm still sceptical... show me a working prototype. Flashy illustrations lofty claims doesn't mean much... I want to see the engine actually running...
@@fcarstens6161 he(Chris vs cars) as made a video about it showing a working prototype
(At least it's said to be a working prototype)
Aircraft suited, can perform better than and thus replace piston engines and turboprops. Light to medium transporters and helicopters should be automatic candidates in my view. This and the other pistonless rotary model that had continuous combustion that appeared some 5 years ago and was even hooked onto a go kart and performed quite well, putting out some impressive numbers, are birds of a feather.
Good power. If stackable, you could put it in anything, or have one in each corner for each wheel 👍
@Neil Standish that's a great thought and with a 25000rpm, and that amount of torque, the uses are endless
What was the other piston-less rotary?
@@Timb0NZ liquid piston's inverted 'dorito' engine
liquid piston huh? yes no use for drones yet... c'mon wars are all around the world and no drones use that one yet?
well... lets see when this one gets into drones...
A small version of it would be great in a motorcycle!
I see the working model of the old engine spinning a belt and pulley ! And leaking lots of oil ! Assuming the oil problem if fixed ! Not sure how you can get hundreds of horsepower out of it. The clearances are so tight any loads may disrupt the engines rotation ! Still looks like some solutions need to be worked out ! Thanks for the info 👍
P.S. in a perfect world you could just imagine yourself to your destination, and not have to hassle with the risks involved in travel ! Please let me know when that happens ! I am all in LOL
Instead of making claims why don't they demonstrate the proof? Because they can't.. yet.
Can't wait for more details, I hope it can be used in little planes and small cars, but maybe the engine is too powerful for the small vehicles?
Nonsense put it on a gokart
@@hoodedcreeper2465
a gocart? how about pushbike lol
It can't be too powerful. Just make it even smaller/lighter or install a governor/speed limiter.
This is assume! I too can't wait to see this engine hit the markets.
Cool that they emailed you back
I am also fascinated by this but more detail needed. If you have contact with this company, can you ask? The thing I can't understand is how they achieve axial sealing. We see an ideal visualisation along the axis so that need/means for sealing is not immediately obvious. I mean, those are two huge rotors with a sliding surface which is going to have to sustain several MPa (for the quoted power/efficiency). I'm struggling to see how to do that efficiently. Large swept areas of sliding contact are usually a problem for any rotaries, this seems no exception. Also, the torque figure does not seem plausible. Then for power they seem to have quoted the peak pulsed torque (at instantaneous ignition) then multiplied that by rotary speed, when in fact the torque is only present for 30~45 degrees of 360 degrees (maybe, something like that?). If they have done that, it would imply the torque is constant for the whole rotation, which it won't be. This can again be seen by estimating the volume, which is about ~10cm (~45 deg of rotation) of a ~4cm width channel and ~2cm radial dimension. So at best maybe this is a 100cc engine, which is a capacity good for about 20bhp normally aspirated at 25krpm, maybe 30bhp with favourable tuning. This is simply a limitation of how much air is being shipped through the combustion cycle. Not that 30bhp is not useful, in fact it'd be a good power output for a range extender engine, but there are simpler and lighter versions of a 100cc engine.
Impressive again. We wait for more info.
Good for aircraft applications
What seals the sides of the rotors? What keeps the air/exhaust/fuel from moving around your tooth/ compressor/ pistion of sorts? Just doesn't make sense to me. On top of this what or how does it cool the hot side. Eventually something is going to get way too hot? One more thing. Wht ate the shafts hollow? Wouldn't use that mass asca flywheel? I have soooo many more questions about this.. but first the side seals. You can't make the tolerances too tight because you have expansion going to happen. Or have they beat the laws of physics?
This answers two of our biggest issues : energy / fresh water ... that's a win win . Being able to make enough power " by putting a generator on this engine " every household you start a business making parts with CnC or 3D printing right there at their home . Using these in cars is a no brainer . This little engine will change out world running on hydrogen !
Very impressive presentation 👍
I love it. Awesome that it can run on Hydrogen. I would install it in my 1986 Toyota Hilux 4X4. Generator or Water pump.
I did not know that. Thanks!
A genius idea!
That is an Ideal Generator(diesel electric), Motorcycle/scooter, or constant RPM applications.
This would even be good as a Compressor system to replace piston compressors.
Great engine, it will look good in something like an new Rx7. But I don’t understand Where the power goes, Where the crankshaft or gearbox will be positioned.
Master piece of engineering
Great vídeo 👍🏻👍🏻
Those numbers seem overly optimistic considering the actual size of the combustion chamber, and considering a lot of the spec’s mentioned tolerances of 0.1mm, specially since stainless steel would expand more than that under the heat of combustion, and even tungsten which expand at a 1/2 rate than stainless steel wouldn’t be able to hold such tight tolerances under the combustion temperatures. Also there is no actual spec’s on the seals used to maintain airtight conditions or keep the lubricating oil away from the combustion chamber while rotating at max rpm’s (25000 rpm’s). It basically seems like a “vaporware” engine…
a powerfull engine in a small car. what could possibly go wrong?!
This engine is a lifesaver. It has the potential to power everything the, application is endless. From cars, boats, planes, generators, farm equipment anything that uses an engine. This will go a long way to saving the planet. 👍🥹
Master piece
And one more thing I'd like to ask about this engine. Is balance? How do they balance it at such high rpm?
The balance should've been as smooth as wankel, if not more
In 1988-89, I lived at 4 Silver Pine, Fontainebleau, Randburg
a small version of that might be the perfect range extender!
. As they get investor hopefully getting better
Verry nice Video animation
I really hope so
I would put two of these engines in a Tesla Model 3 one in the frunk and one in the boot I would throw away the battery pack and place a thin fuel tank for Methanol.
Same m8
I'd build a land yacht sleeper with 8 engines tied together on GAS !
Put it in a Triking in place of the V-Twin it usually uses.
(If you don't know what a Triking in, think Morgan 3-Wheeler)
Will there be cooling problems at the constantly hot side of the engine?
I want to see this put on the cross bike 👌
General aviation (private aircraft) has been desperate for anything that is reliable, light weight, and provides high power output...did I mention "reliable"?! Our opposed air-cooled engines are from the 1930's and prone to catastrophic failure from material fatigue, high engine heat, shock cooling, etc. Bring on a 300hp engine that has a high power to weight ratio, fuel efficient, and RELIABLE and you've got a winner that could revitalize the GA industry - truly. Love to see this in a few Cessna's, Mooney's, and Piper's! :)
I would stack a couple in my pickup
that synchronising gear should be a double helical to reduce noise
oh, and burning hydrogen produces NO2, so it's not 100% clean
Because of low combustion temps and a egr it produces almost nothing
@@ChrisVSCars
'almost nothing' multiplied by a billion engines = something significant
still love it!
I would put it in a Lotus Elise S1
Chris, do you get Citröen in ZA? If so, you could stick this in a 2CV and have more than a blast!
Jup we do, I own a Citroen DS3😂
Look at the size of that seal. And it is leaking like crazy. Not to mention it will last 100km before blowing.
Straight into a motorbike for me.
Would love to try one in my VW bug
I am wondering about a water jacket and oil cooler, also a starter motor and fuel injection system with ignition system. Suitable transmission systems or gearing to run an electrical generator if the motor is not suitable for driving the wheels directly. Using hydrogen for combustion and the storage of same also sounds daunting. I would say we are in for a wait.
This uses no coolant. It's passively cooled and the oil is too. No radiator is needed, just a fan.
How about use it in general aviation airplanes? Smal light perfect !
I need this in a motorbike.
I want one in my bike
Exactly what I was thinking.
I want 160hp in my VW UP!
What svoit the jioces coming out of the engine?
Great for a Smart car!!!
Ooga booga can we turbo It?😏😏😏😏
You should ask them if they could integrate a starter motor/ generator inside the top shaft, I would think it should be able to generate enough electrical energy to power all accessories. Such as fuel pump, water pump, oil pump, AC and power steering.
I can imagine that engine being very easy to work on if all the accessories were electric and not bolted to the engine itself, And if the bottom shaft had an internal spline it could be ridiculously easy to pull the engine for service
If they could design it to allow for an 2-3 hour engine swap the engine could be replaced with a new one and sent back to a factory for rebuild rather than trying to diagnose it in a shop environment that has never seen that engine before
I can't imagine a more efficient design from a maintenance perspective, it would also allow the manufacturer to see all the failure methods so that they can perfect the design overtime.
I would want to add this to a Cessna 152 or 150, or perhaps even a Cessna 172. Running on hydrogen would be awesome, assuming the cost can come down from the $7.15/gallon price we are paying right now for AvGas.
What about cg?
The engine is a scam.
My question is that can it be turbocharged or supercharged and how do they get the power from the engine to the drive?
lol look at the pressure specs, it's essentially already turbochared far beyond what's possible with modern cars
I'd create hundreds of adaptor plates to adapt to any transmission, farm tractors, cars, trucks...
I'd like to put it in my trikes.
Did you ask them for any efficiency numbers?
Too good to be true...why none is talking about efficiency
The thermal efficiency is great since its a hcci engine. Have a video coming next week explaining
Did they say if it can drive a drive shaft?
It has an output shaft yes :D
@@ChrisVSCars nice now the only question is can it use deisel or gasoline (specifically the crappy versions)
@@ChrisVSCars btw am i the only one thinking it sounds like a deisel engine?
excited....wheelbarrows
I think longevity and efficiency are going to be the big problems here. Just like a rotary, they will lose efficiency due to issues sealing between the piston lobe and the wall, and between the two rotating surfaces.
The lobe and wall doesn't touch so there isn't any wear on the lobe. I did ask about that. Because of the super small gap some energy is lost, but it still makes more than enough power.
I spoke to the company recently and the service interval on these is looking to be 100,000 hours.... and should be as cheap as chips relative to current equivalent costs.
All i get to see so far is this engine idling. I am afraid, it is not (yet) able to do more.
this could revive s660
I'm having a hard time visualizing how this engine will even be able to be used. I see no means ot connecting it to a bellhousing or any sort of drive unit to power a car or anything else for that matter. Where is the output shaft?
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When, not if, but when zero emission will take effect for vehicles in cities & air traffic. Then the next step will be to increase the legal requirements for efficiency, and complete lifecycle environmental impact. This engine has the advantage, of zero combustion contamination of the lubrication oil; which should extend the number of hours between the need for oil change. The wear & tear on oil lubricated engine parts should be reduced, in comparison to combustion engines with combustion contamination of the lubrication oil. I wouldn't know how to estimate the number of hours of running or kW created before the expected need for an engine service/rebuild of this engine. But the simplicity of the engine might suggest that the cost for rebuild, of this type of engine would would be lower than a more complex engine. It would be interesting to know if it would be possible to make a complete engine replacement automated; Done by "robots" in a fully automated service and repair shop. So that you just let your car drive by itself to a service & repair shop during the night. & in the morning your vehicle is back. Automated service on fluids, brakes, tires, refurbished engine or exchange of windshield & damaged body parts should be possible.
I would put this engine in a MonoTracer
It’s vapor ware
Precio del Motor por favor
I'd put it in a small, single seat homebuilt airplane!
Put it on a motorbike! It would be insane power to weight ratio, like bye-bye Kawasaki H2.
It looks like it's scalable, so it can be run in either series or scaled up to larger sizes, so it should be suitable to replace most other ICE power units.
The problem is getting a car manufacture to use it. They employ dozens of engineers to design their engines already, and there is no way in hell that those guys are going to say, "Oh look, let's use this engine instead of one that I designed!"
The best chance is to get someone like Elon Musk to have a look at it. He'll be looking for something new for his Tesla's now that the EV market has pretty well collapsed. Maybe as part of a hybrid set up for his cars?
And seeing as Ford, GM, and VW look like collapsing, there is going to be a huge vacuum in the market just begging to be filled with the next big thing.
I had the same thought but CATL have created a million mile battery and after 100,000 recharge cycles does it start decreasing and performance degrades after 500,000 miles
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EVERYTHING THAT MOVES WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS TECHNOLOGICAL QUANTUM LEAP
Hydrogens fuel is not available on normal world any time soon want to know if it runs on gasoline
Hi chris look what china just did with hydrogen plants 👍
I will check it out, thanks
i dont understand any of this
cool tho
Hopefully it's not "in development, but we'd love your investment money" just like liquid piston for the next decade.
So 600 ft-lbs, but it sounds like it falls on it's face real quick given the 25,000 RPM redline as that torque figure would give the 450HP rated power at a mere 4,000 RPM
If even half of that torque was available at 20,000 RPM, this thing would obliterate the 1,000 horsepower barrier, and still be able to keep pulling to 25,000 RPM but that clearly isn't the case here.
Personally, i don't think it actually works, and that they're just puking up numbers to try and keep people interested as quite frankly the math ain't mathing.
And as Adam Savage once said regarding perpetual motion machines, the ingenuity is in hiding the power source. I'm under the impression that this "engine" is being either back driven from the power output, or being spun up with compressed air (I've seen another video of it running, and whilst you can hear the "engine" it's masked by music that nobody asked for...
P.s. I'm no expert, but the numbers simply aren't telling the same story that they're trying to sell.
I see why they're trying to really sell it though, as military contracts are very lucrative, and the liquidpiston X engine (omega 1's likely nemesis) works, it's been proven, and warpedperception has a video of one actually powering a go-kart.
I really do wish them well though, because something that can rev from 1,000 to 25,000 RPM would be super practical as a static generator assuming power and efficiency is linear as you can throttle it to meet the actual demand
Awesome idea but poor prototype demonstration !!!
The buyers of vehicles, which are high value products, should be better informed & have better warranty. Today the buyer of a vehicle can't easily know what the TCO will be. The TCO for an incremental number of years, km & kW, should be mandatory information from the producer, for any vehicle; In addition to a requirement for complete lifespan documentation. Warranty for vehicles & other high value products should have a mandatory warranty much longer than today. A suggestion would be a minimum of 10years or 1million km for small vehicles & 20years or 5million km for larger vehicles like trucks. Both buyers & producers would benefit from this! Whether you invest in a new or used vehicle, you would be able to calculate your cost of ownership very accurate. Today the cost of ownership of vehicles can be very unpredictable, especially if the vehicle is more than a few years old. To sum up! The buyer of very expensive products should have access to accurate information, for a reliable estimate of cost of ownership for the warranty period. & the expensive products should have a warranty that reflects the value of the product.
It will never be built in volume. Leakage around the mating services will always be a problem.
I can't see this engine producing ANY torque as to produce torque there has to be pressure exerted against a fixed section of the engine. In a conventional engine the fixed part is the head. Either the animations aren't showing the whole picture or they are fudging numbers. The only way that I can see power/torque being created is if both of the rotors are part of the swept volume.
There's a direct relationship between power, torque and rpm and the numbers being quoted don't match the maths IF the peak power is produced at or close to redline. 25krpm and 320hp equates to 67 foot pounds of torque. IF you assume peak torque at 1/2 of the redline and then with 340lbft you should have an engine capable of 809hp.
They will be releasing engine dyno results in the coming months. Then we can see if all the claim hold true
you must get away from the thinking pistion engines work. This is very different.
this wishfull thinking, they dont have a running prototype still yet. That one you show here is a being run by compressed air. tghis thing will have no tork and be gutless. And it will be set aside for Electric motors already
*everyone please give up on the omega 1 ..... it is not going to work, so let Astron get back to what they are good at, and forget about it.*
With that attitude we would all still be riding horses
@@griffint6637 this turbine manufacturer starting an ICE design by throwing over 100 years of evolutionary ICE knowledge base out the window, is not going to end well..
@@griffint6637 in other words, you didn't read my second comment..
i have done work in ICE design, and i can assure you Astron would Love everyone to forget bout the omega 1 at this point.
it's a money sink hole to nowhere, and they have better things to do.
@@RulgertGhostalker my bad, didnt see your orignal comment. You are more than likely right about this one. Guess the ICE is at the end of the road
@@griffint6637 i will give you a hint....the smaller they make the omega 1, the higher the RPM it will be able to obtain.
and it would be the size of a house fly by the time they got it to 25,000 RPM on petrol...
will be a failure
Another grift
Powerful engine? How does it connect to a powertrain? They designed something that spins fast so what , so do turbines but they were never practical for cars. There is no practical explanation as to why it would not burn oil. The moving parts seem to contact the housing on their sides otherwise you would never be able to seal the combustion chamber and i see plenty of surface area where oil is going to leak. Things that turn at those speeds do not have longevity due to centrifugal forces so i don't see it as a reliable car engine. The efficiency would not be better than a hydrogen powered solid oxide fuel cell connected to an electric drive train.
I'm curious w those tighttolerances how extremeweatherkikeswedishwinterwill affect performance
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