Fishing was about the mystery and connecting with nature. A way to unplug and be out in nature enjoying it as intended. Forward facing took away the mystery and magic of fishing. Sometimes it’s good to not know everything..
Well, your perspective is completely fine, and is also different from a professional fisherman. If you have a piece of technology that would tremendously help you earn more money in your career wouldn’t you chose to use it? But, I will say, I don’t have FFS, but I have used it. I think FFS is pretty awesome and helps us learn more about these fish. But you can still go out on the lake and be very successful catching fish just by knowing about where they are in all parts of the year, their forage, structure, all of that plays into catching a bass. But if you aren’t trying to win money, it’s not all that ethical to have FFS, but it is a great tool to have.
I think they will have to do something. It's affecting the triple A level and co-angler participation in those tournaments. Not too many co-anglers want to sit in the back of the boat while boaters float around in the middle of the lake casting at individual fish they see with FFS.
I don’t disagree, but i see co-angling simply as an opportunity to go learn from the professionals. I’ve fished 2 tournaments as a co-angler and took one spinning rod and one casting rod. If I’m a co, I’m more interested in how the pro breaks down the lake, what areas they’re targeting based on the conditions and why they make the decisions they do. FFS or not, i really don’t care if I “win” as a co.
Scott Martin saw a co-angler with their own portable forward faceing sonar in the back of the boaters boat in the Okichubby toury. It's coming and boaters will not like it and the extra weight it will bring in their boats.
You guys fish for a living, I bank fish. I’ll never tell any of you how you should feel or fight with you about an opinion. This was a fun clip. Just know how blessed you guys are and how many of us watch these wishing we were welcome on the casting couch. Good luck fellas.
I’m still amazed people are mad about this. People act like they didn’t used to call electronics “ fish finders “ and now that we can actually see fish on a very select area that you have to find might i add People are mad. Y’all acting like if you had 10,000 dollar worth of electronics you wouldn’t use it in that tuesday nighter🫠
@@jonnyb1898 it gives people something to complain about I guess. These guys here are living the dream. I know their life isn’t easy and the stress is probably out of this world but they truly do laugh more in one video than I do all month. They just look like their living a great life. I did some tournaments for a few years as a co angler and had a blast. Won a few, lost a lot. But I had a stroke a few years ago and now just take it easy. I’m young and got 5 kids so now I just enjoy bank fishing in my HOA retention ponds here in Florida and watching videos like this. Have a good day bud.
The best set of guys to talk a FFS. I love that you guys support each and great friendships. Let no one or nothing break up this awesome team and friendships.
Y’all can’t see it from a weekend warrior’s perspective? We don’t watch MLF or BASS live to watch 50 of the best pros in the world stare at their screens for 8 hours. I think live viewership will continue to drop because of it.
If you were fishing for 100 grand you would use it to. Viewership doesn’t matter to the pros. I agree it makes it hard to watch but it’s the future of the sport.
What's the difference between watching someone stare at the screen all day vrs watching KVD sit in the middle of the lake throwing a crankbait on a ledge all day long?
I think FFS is a wonderful tool but I do not believe it belongs in pro tournaments. Practice with it all you want but it must be off on tournament day. How about just some old school knowledge. You can practice and mark areas but in a tournament, knowledge should allow you to either find fish at your mark or figure out the movement. But I would like to see a reduction in available graphs that can be used on a boat during a tournament event. Also a size limit to keep the TV screens off the front of the boats.
So wrong. If you can afford a $75K bass boat you can afford FFS. Hell a decent rod and reel combo is going to run $500 and you always need a few on the boat to hit a pattern with efficiency. Even a cheap 17 footer bass boat will run $25K and that is without navigation and other upgrades. The whole sport is expensive. If you can't afford a $3k unit then you certainly can't afford to even fuel a bass or do yearly maintenance on it. This isn't bank fishing
I think it was Rick clunn who said they invented a gold ball that would go 40% further but they banned it because then all the old records would be blown instantly. I don't see them banning ffs because these companies are making bank off of them, and sponsoring the pros to use them.
Remember you guys are the ONLY tournament bass guys that release fish.... some lakes have over 200 boats every weekend...200+.... live well fish don't survive long term.... I'd like to see who can win without FFS .... you guys are my favorite pros and always watch all four of ya... your guys are the best
That was one of the best Casting Couches I’ve ever watched 😮🤣🤣 But great answers and love seeing all y’all talk it out. Jacob is the man of reason and wisdom. DC is all fired up🔥🔥🔥
Guys I really appreciate yall talking this subject publicly…..I can tell you with 100% accuracy that bass at Lewis Smith will absolutely bolt when they feel that beam. Same thing at Chic in Tennessee!!!! FFS is here to stay so everybody needs to just embrace it and move on. Keep crackin em boyz, really enjoy watching how you all.
I couldn't even begin to tell you how many hours I've burnt up chasing fish around on Toledo Bend and Sam Rayburn learning how to use Livescope and not catching crap. It's not even remotely close to as simple as some people make it out to be to Livescope fish but it's definitely unlocked more of Toledo Bend. Just watching yall on my home lake confirmed I still have a lot to learn because yall caught fish in places I never even thought of looking at. Great video as always guys keepem coming!!!
Let’s go MDJ talk about it here out West! Nothing but mad respect for you coming from out West and making the dream come true 👊 Keep it up fellas, such great content as always. My favorite on the tube for sure 🤙
I am 51 years old and fishing has been a real part of my life since I was 3 years old. I would pond fish with my dad until I was around 20. I would bass fish for awhile then it was time to catch some bream to bring home and eat. Once I was old enough to bait my own hook and take the fish of my dad made me fish away from him and find my own fish. That was the best thing to happen to me. To be out in nature and find your own fish, just you against the fish. Around age 20 I started fishing at the city lakes. I had a trolling motor, battery, and a portable depth finder. I have never been one to use the depth finder to locate off shore fish. I love to fish shallow and throw at objects I can see. I do use the depth finder to find slightly deeper water. If you are in the back water and it is mainly 2 ft or less and you find some water, a ditch that is 4- 6 ft you may have for something special. I also look at water temp especially in the cold water months. That being said I do admire people who are able to find off shore areas and catch fish consistently. That is a skill. I don't believe live scope is the same though. Using sonar to locate areas that have fish , finding humps and creek channel bends with cover is not the same as forward facing sonar. This ffs is finding a fish and watching it while you present a lure and watch it react. Once you caught it you know to move on to another fish. There is no instinct as was once needed. Not the same as when there was no sonar. I don't care if you use ffs you can do what you want. I have noticed there are 2 types of fishermen. There is the one who loves the connection you get with nature from finding and catching fish, the sense of accomplishment from figuring it out and the love of the chase. Then there is the one who loves catching the fish and competing in a competition. They don't care if they are the one who finds the fish and figures it out for themselves. They would be fine if they were told where to go, what to through, and they are ok with watching it on a screen in order to catch the fish. I don't care because I can only live my life. I will not trade the excitement that comes from pitching a jig next to a stump in a row of stumps not knowing if I will catch 1 or 10 fish for anything. Not knowing or seeing what is about to happen is the joy of fishing to me. You all remember a time when you were fishing and didn't know what was going to happen when you cast by that stump, only to see your line jump or swim off. The excitement to set the hook on a fish that could be the fish of a lifetime was the whole purpose of fishing. Now a whole generation of kids will grow up with ffs and will not have that as their memory. Is ffs worth taking that away from the children? Would you give up all the fishing experiences you had with no ffs to only know what is like to have ffs? I will continue to fish with the excitement of not knowing what is going to happen on each and every cast. That is the path I chose and I would chose that for every kid so they took could have the love of fishing and not just the love of catching to compete. Thanks
I can see your point and agree but I don't think the majority of kids will use ffs right away. However, I spoke with a Garmin Rep recently and he explained how excited his son gets when he sees fish in perspective mode and he talked about the joy his son got from catching them. I think it's all about what makes you happy as you said.
Keep these podcast coming. I could listen to y'all talk bass fishing for days. Who cares what anyone thinks about FFS. Yall can catch them with or without it. All that matters is yall out there doing what you love and im still a fan either way.
I love it, love watching the guys use it and I love watching the tournament guys use them. Here is a way to look at the whole "spot lighting" analogy. If you were using a rifle, and your bullet flew at a 20 degree variance. Would you trust you'll hit the target? In other words somewhere within a 20 degree is your target, do you take the shot? The answer should be no way in the world should you take that shot because you can't swear you'll hit the target. Just because you have it, your not shining a flashlight directly at them. They just happen to be in the beam.
I've listened to each side of the controversy and what most people forget is that you guys or guys that fish for a living are in a completely different category. I still compete with my 2D and 360, in local events, because It's my style of fishing and I've used my techniques for 35 years. Sure at times I get beat with a scope, but it's the evolution of technology and none of the complaints will stop it. I chose not to scope, but I also know I need to upgrade and spend time using it to fit my style. You guys are all class acts and I enjoy watching each of you, so keep on keepin on 👍
I am a California fisherman, I fish mutiple species, I do not regularly watch fishing on TV or other ways. What has got me interested in watching tournament fishing again is these four gentlemen, they put out content that is fun to watch and they are successful in this profession. I started or found DC's vid's on here, then branched out to the other gentlemen through his utube site. Their coverage and production of their uploads is personal / professionaly produced, it has reignighted my interest in watching MLF again. All of you gentlement keep doing what your doing and I know I will keep watching and tracking your products, FFS like all of you talked about is a tool and should be used that way (I agree you can see them, but, you still have to catch them (that takes skill period)).
Great topic gents. From a guy who didnt start fishing till mid 50 and now retired on fixed budget. FFS is here.... i have a 18ft boat with first gen garmin livescope and 9" screen. It isnt as easy as you boys make it look i will say that for sure. Can see where the bigger screens and newer transducer with clean power and higher voltage helps but until i can figure it out with my earlier version i believe i havent learned enough about the fish behavior yet to spend the money. Its here and those that are blessed to have it enjoy it. Its not the end of the world though. I still catch fish sight fishing and still love to pitch, flip and power fish to catch em. Good luck to you all this year
I’m going to agree with wheeler and add that I think the only reason it’s become the firestorm that it is , is strictly due to social media. Back in the day when new technology came out it didn’t spread as quickly as things do now.
I have been set against FFS for years. Last year I got back into tournament fishing. And to be competitive I had to buy it. And the learning curve is unreal. I still am learning in fact I caught my first FFS fish today. And I’m 63 years old.
Im all about it. But...... for people that want to compete at local tournaments its hard because there are alot of guys that can afford it and win these tournaments. I hope one day i can afford live scope. Will definitely help me compete and learn more about the way bass move and act. Love this couch talk. Was the best.
Excellent cast. I've always felt FFS was pushing it as far as technology goes. This podcast has made me definitely understand where you guys are coming from. In anyone's profession, you use the tool(s) that make your job easier. So use a dag blasted rc submarine if you have to and keep all 4 of you great roomies in the top 10 in every tournament. And finally, I was initially against the every fish counts format. I only follow you four guys and Scott Martin. Watch the Elites catch a few fish, watch MLF guys catch lots of fish? I'm choosing the MLF format. All of you are true ambassadors to this sport and I hope 1 of y'all wins every tournament. It's MDJ's turn, go hoist that trophy Mark.
My son won Colorado state BASS Jr's last year and we are going to Jr. nationals this year in TN. The travel thing is crazy for us. He is 12 and wants to do this already and loves you all. It's insane. Also there is no way to raise money for him so we are trying to raise money selling baked goods. Let us know when and if you ever start anything on this side of the US. Love you all and love watching you all.
Listen, you know I love all 4 of you guys. I watch all the videos all of you guys put out there. You guys make your living doing this. I told that to Mark in one of his videos. You have to use whatever tools are out there to give you a chance to get into the MONEY to feed your families etc. You do what you have to do. PERIOD. LOVE ALL OF YOU.
Mark, Like I told you in your video and now with the other guys, if you are going to make a living bass fishing, you need all the tools available. Good video DC.
I was gonna say the same thing.. cant wait for randy to have another video now talking crap about these guys.. hes all washed up just trying to get views
@@andrewjackson8401 to be fair, he does NOT trash other fisherman... just the technology. He has some valid points as a couple of these guys did just agree with.
You can't compare any other tech to ffs or anything that allows someone to see real time under water. I don't necessarily hate it or love it but I also get why people love it/hate it. But when real time info is available to people, to me personally I think it de-values the importance of knowing how to do all the other things that a good angler should know how to do. At some point, it will have to have some boundries put on it moving forward though, because these companies are going to keep pushing limits until its real time camera footage underwater. And that I'm not cool with. I also know that I am the odd ball, as I get more enjoyment out of the strategy to get the bite vs flipping them in the boat. Reading water color, weather, temperature, depth, contour and getting that thump is fishing to me.
F the haters! You and JW are killing the game with tools everyone has, it is what it is. MDJ its time to rep that Cali-Bama connection and lift this trophy. Sending them big fish vibes from Phenix city, Al
As a Viewer and an intermediate bass angler hoping one day to enter the bass circuit tourns, I started bass fishing as most did without sonars so that’s where my opinion is coming from. I believe compromise will be the answer here, years of fishing without the aid of technology brings about set”s” of skills that are nullified with the use of forward facing sonar, the tech does what it’s supposed to and that’s to make it easier to find and put more fish in the boat. The problem is when it comes to tournaments which is supposed to filter out the best of anglers, FFS not only evens the playing field but it also take from those anglers that have spent years acquiring skills that one can only acquire from experience the well deserved title of being one of the best . Now anyone who’s financially capable of having the technology without putting in much time on the water can become an “Elite” therefor it really takes away from the main goal of the tournament which is filtering out the best of the best. I believe the best solution is throughout the circuit… the first couple tournaments (qualifiers) should allow FFS to narrow down the competition then as it gets to the top tournaments it should then start to back away from FFS and solely rely on intuition and experience “raw skills only” your senses to determine the Elite amongst the competitors. Not only would this make Bass Master Elite so prestigious but it would give a great importance and respect to the game in which will be the “talk of the town” more than it does now with the anglers and viewers but it would also encourage challengers to really practice engaging with their environment more from mapping where the forage are, where the herrings are hunting, where the wind and currents are hitting, and creating activities in the water (food chain), to feeling out bottom composition and so forth etc. These are important skill sets that become insignificant with FFS. So In summary forward facing sonar should be use to thin out the competition then as it moves to the “Super Bowl” BMElite/classics; FFS should be banned and require only traditional raw angling skills. Really filler out the best of us.
I love your take on it DC. Just because you have it doesn’t mean you’re going to smash them. You need to know what’s going on as well as how to use your tools.
West Coast does suck for fishing tournaments. But I gotta say, the heavily pressured lakes that we do have out here have trained me very well. I went to Minnesota a couple years back and was slaying bass left and right from the shore next to local anglers who were only catching one here and there.
Title your video, “The Casting Couch!”, you’ll get a whole different demographic tuning in.😂 Great to hear you guys pay respect to your heroes in the sport and those that help build the sport. I appreciate that you all are humble enough to admit that you’re still taken back when they acknowledge and talk with you.
What I would ask is on the conservation front; you acknowledge you have access and capable to see and catch up to 80% of the fish population that you never would have before if not for sonar my question is what’s the difference with someone using forward facing sonar to catch fish that wouldn’t ever be caught without it and using a spotlight to shoot a big buck at night that would have never gotten shot without it? Everyone has access to forward facing sonar just as everyone has access to a spotlight.
im a guy that watches to learn as a new fisherman i dont feel like i learn much from watching ff. i watched the team series and feel like i learned so much more from that series. i understand its what you guys need to complete these days. i personally think it should be a practice tool before the tournament. as for everyday fishing i think lakes should lower the limits if you are using it or catch and release only. just my opinion. great show guys keep them coming.
I do believe that if you are not up to date with technology then ur left behind everyone else that is not. DC here it is. How many times are you sitting in your deer stand and deer are looking up in a tree. It is the same thing. Use what is offered to you to make the best fishing or hunting experience you can have. This will never stop. Technology will never stop.
MDJ, your comment about Scott at Big O . . . He was using perspective mode to locate specific structure ( holes in the reeds, etc.). He wasn't riding around scoping fish. He spent the majority of his time fan casting to areas. This is what he said on Bassmaster.
I have been fishing for 30 plus years and WAS against FFS but after watching DC’s win last tournament and I have realized that there are so many fish doing so many different things using FFS will not really have that big of an effect on fishing but has opened up the entire year of fishing to those who had a tough time in the winter and opened the the entire lake through out the entire year. These fish will always adapt and anglers will continue to practice catch and release so fishing will not be hurt at all. The good thing is having the skills to turn it off and know how to catch fish shallow.
Wheeler, I met Greg a few months ago, and he told me about that story where yall fished together on the river and how you killed them on a chatter bait. Really nice guy. He thinks highly of you..
Viewership and participation has already been affected. Not one single piece of tech has ever had this amount of impact. No skill will make you more competitive right now than that piece of tech. Yes some guys are ahead of the game and love it. When the whole field catches up with you on the tech you'll have a different opinion. Those fish aren't being targeted by the whole field yet. Not one smile while discussing it. Does it really feel right?
Alright, I hear what you are saying, but at the same time, if you are saying you have a problem with these suspended fish being caught that wouldn’t usually get targeted is hurting the sport, then get rid of trolling. You can run multiple lines running down the lake using the same technique, “blindly” while using 2D or down scan/imaging.
No practice days on any Trail if FFS is allowed.. go into the field blind and rely on past experience on where to start and if you’ve never been to a place then Godspeed finding them!!
Casting couch excellent name DC, this was very informative. As a bank fisherman you really got me thinking of what I need to do. You talked about over pressured banks, fish seeing lures nonstop. Don't have electronics but need to search for the fish out in the middle, got start thinking outside the box. Got start look for those ones wondering around lakes and ponds away from shore. All the best @ Santee Guys
Hey DC. Love you guys and use what ever you want to get it done! My question is do you think the lakes can sustain the fish ? Maybe not bass because it’s mostly catch and release. I remember back in the day only a few crappie guys fishing in the winter here in Missouri but now there’s tons of guys catching limits in a couple hours. The guides are even taking 2 or 3 groups out in a day instead of 1 trip. State Paddle fish records are being broken every week. Like I said I have no problem with it but just like you alls opinion on it. Keep them coming partner and best of luck this season!
I don't think people realize how much knowledge and time goes into being on top of the game. Good luck to all of you guys. Love the videos. Much better that the stupid shows on TV. Fish on.
Brett or Brent (apologies) nailed it! There are 2 sides to the argument. Bottom line, if you’re fishing tournaments or professionally you HAVE to use it or you’ll be out of the sport in a year or 2. Simply cannot compete. Why do you think we’re seeing so many young anglers, and I’m talking under age 25 crushing it right now?
Awesome what you said as an angler....." you never stop learning " ! That's the truth bruh! I have been fishing since I was in diapers haha, and I learn something about fishing all the time. A buddy told me one time that once you learn everything about fishing it's time to find something else. But you never do cuz you are always learning something new! This is a fun podcast to watch. Keep it up boys!
@32:40 MDJ speaks the truth. with FFS, seeing I can do, catching not so much yet. I will be right back I have to go to Cabela's, Academy, Bass Pro because I have the wrong baits.... 🤣
Haters gonna hate. And they hate and complain about the ffs because they don't have it or use it. If they were in you guys shoes, they would use it 100 percent. You guys focus is to get paid and it's just a tool to help you get a check. All fisherman are competitive but not all do it for a living. Only downside I see is the cost of it all. Quite costly for the average person. You guys rock. Best wishes to each of you this season. Tight lines.
Hopefully, with any luck, it ends with me having a live stream view of the direction I point my sonar, so I don’t even have to ask myself if it’s the right kind and caliber of fish. I can just see them and know what it is. That’s where I would love for it to end. You still have to catch them.
MDJ got it on the head for West anglers travelling. I live on the Columbia River in Washington, and Lake Havasu, AZ is 16+ hours straight driving, the Cali Delta is 14+, Clear Lake, CA is 12.5, Lake Mead is 14, Shasta CA is 9 hours, Lake Powell is 14. It's rough to drive to all those Toyota Series or any of the other trail. I'd love a couple BFL divisions here, a Northwest and Southwest would be great!
I have forward facing sonar on both my bass boats. And I still will go out fishing and don’t even turn it on. As a bass fisherman you know in the back of your mind there’s a bass on that log, dock or brush pile. Ya I will use it to search things out but again I don’t use it 100% of the time.
I'll be honest fellers I'm over the FFS talk not only we beating a dead horse we dug it back up and beat it again!!! 😂 Oh by the way love the content dustin 👊
I am going to start something. The reason people are upset about forward facing sonar. No longer is it just a small percentage of people that can pinpoint a cast that win . It has opened the field up to anyone who will take the time to learn it. Plus I’m 60 I can’t cast all day anymore this slows me down and makes me competitive again.
Aqua view been around since the early 2000’s,i know a guy that had one he used for stripers,it was a black and white screen,pretty cool back in the day
West coast guy here out of Vegas. Won bass teamed up with bass recently to help qualify for the bass nation Championship and opportunity to qualify for the classic.
I think alot of the ffs just sucks that its so expensive to buy. and soon as you get it its like a phone they come out with something better the next year. so every year its another 2000$ And no offense its hard to watch tournaments where people just stare at the screen. It helps when watching that the angler talks to us the whole time and keeps the conversation going. I think the ( yall ) anglers are seeing that this type of content and talking to us the whole time during the tournament helps us watch yall win. we love yall man, weve grown with yall. yall my dudes man.
I think the biggest issue here guys is that the more and more you are glued to your live scope screens, the farther and farther you’re taking the history away from the sport. That’s why anglers are so passionate. The fact that you are openly stating that you are forced to adapt….imagine going back..and then claiming that you can compete without it but yet all you see on coverage is guys backs bent over to see a screen..coverage is terrible. The business side is going to be affected. You do what you need to do but I wish guys would honor the tradition of the sport more.
I think the pros exactly like you all are going to figure out a lot more with ff. I think there is a combination of old school along with ff that might not have been figured out yet. I might be wrong but I have a feeling there is something else that can be put together no one has figured out yet. I don’t know exactly what I am trying to verbalize but I truly believe there’s a piece of the puzzle still left out there.
Tons of respect for the win DC at Toledo bend. I completely understand for a professional fisherman using all the technology they can to win. Im pretty much just a club fisherman. So I can see both sides to this conversation. However, l kinda compare this too professional golf. That technology has skyrocketed in last 6-8 years and the governing bodies have started to make moves to limit that technology. I think the same may happen in professional fishing, even though I know its still all about the bottom line. Everyone wants to sell their products. One of my major concerns with this new imaging is that people willl abuse it who aren’t professional fishermen.
With bass fishing, there is ALMOST an infinite amount of information to learn. Listen to OG anglers who have fished for many years and they will tell you quick that they are constantly learning. I love to try to figure fish out since I don’t do many tourneys anymore, and that’s the appeal to me
In CT we allow boxing of fish while on beds, this state has also ruined many lakes and ponds by introducing grass carp. They virtually wipe out all vegetation for us.
The vast majority of the fish are released fine. Especially for this format. Most of them that they are catching on live are suspending and are not that deep
Im an old school at 55 years old i can say that this group of guys their commroderie is the most enjoyable part of watching anything associated pro angling today when i was their age there was only one league and unlike today with youtube and all these other formats and multiple leagues the tournament anglers lifestyle is something that was hardly ever seen and to know it you had to be in it and getting to see these guys in this format is very enjoyable for me not growing up in this information age. I really like this format and it puts the viewer on a more personal level with these guys living the dream
One thing for sure my son and I fish tournaments we use live scope just because you find them doesn't mean they will bite we find more that wont bite then will.
You got the chatterbait all wrong! It wasn't Jonny Morris it was Bryan thrift at Ocachobee in 2006. He won an everstart tournament the week before an FLW event. I was his boater on the first day of the Flw event. Everyone was scrambling to get there hands on some! He absolutely smashed them in the everstart tournament!
I freakin love watching you guys lol. Yall are the best bass squad hands down. So for FFS I love it. If it was the difference that helps me win 100k I’d have transducers dripping off my boat, forward, backward up, down and around the corner… I’d have so many transducers I’d tell you where that bass was born and who his mom is. lol. Seriously tho, technology will never beat out evolution, the bass will learn just like yall are saying. Buttttttt, until they do idk about yall but I’m jerking lip scars in everyone I can trick into biting. I hope yall get 1st ,2nd, 3rd and 4th this weekend. Good luck to all of you.
@@andybales7318 lol. I’m on it. Question tho. Idk if you’re a hunter but if you are… do you still use an antique stick bow, or a 1989 compound? Do you have a new rifle that shoots MOA groups at 500 yards or a 1980 black powder. Do you use old ammo or the new new super accurate match grade stuff do you have game cameras? If do are they the old ones with film, or the new ones that snap and send to your phone in live action. Point is FFS don’t catch fish (trust me it’s an art) I’m still trying to master, but it helps you find them and ups the odds of a correct cast, must like a 2020 and up Mathew’s that were killing deer an elk at 100 yards with because of precision. Kids are making 400 yard elk kills with 6.5 non kick rifle rounds every year using silencers to not spook game for second shots if missed AND… not one of these upgrades are diminishing game. In fact in allot of states they are raising the amount you can kill on does every year with game and Fish begging you to shoot more does. DNR are the paid professionals that monitor this stuff they’ll let us know when it’s a problem. Thanks for the comment good luck fishing and DC go wrangle them donks baby!!!!
@@drivenbyarchery8676 those upgrades aren't diminishing game, because those are just upgraded TOOLS...FFS isn't a tool....and it's not an art, as u say...takes a couple days to learn what u are seeing on the screen..that's it...stop pretending, I'm not oblivious to FFS...it's "legal" cheating..end of story
@@andybales7318 well sounds like you got it all figured out buddy thanks for the comment. You know the old saying one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Guess that’s true with new technology as well. Good luck fishing, hope you catch some giants.
@@drivenbyarchery8676sounds like you figured it out, can literally see the fish on screen without knowing what's under the water, it's not fishing, but you figured it out, by watching a screen!?!?
They crying bc they can’t win! It’s 2024, get with the times. Lee it rolling, squad. Love the show and content. Tell Jacob to get his tournament videos released! Come on man! Haha
@@TS1023TSthat's mostly through sponsorship or other side hustles, these pros, not the top 10 are definitely struggling to make a living, when did bass fishing make life easy, the struggle is real
I'm a bank fisher but I think the issue with the FFS most ppl think you just go out and catch everything they see. Also some ppl think it's cheating. Most of the old school guys had to do map study and put time on the water and learn fishing patterns and stuff. Me personally whenever I get a boat my plan is to get one. Now as far as it negatively effecting the fish population I see why ppl are concerned. I know 2 guys personally that go fishing every single day unless it's a severe thunderstorm for crappie and limit out almost every trip. Me personally I'm ok with it
I actually don’t mind watching you guys fishing on the FFS I still find it interesting I think most of the complaints I hear from fisherman is that even by technology standards it’s expensive but we’ll all just have to suck it up work some overtime save up and buy it if you want to stay competitive even at the local level
I don't have an issue with ffs, but for me I fish local tournaments and I'll be fishing a tournament on Santee Saturday. Problem is I don't have the funds to have livescope, but I'm fishing against over half the boats that have it. It makes it hard for someone like me without the funds to compete with people who know how to use it well.
"Solely dependant" question is a GREAT question. I own a driving school and I warn against solely dependant on new technology like back up cameras. I think as a general rule you should always rely on your own senses primarily and ADD technology as an aid because.. . what happens if you don't have technology? I personally don't like the idea of losing a tournament because of one thing. How stupid would it be to only throw an jig and say, "Dang! I lost cuz they weren't eating a jig!" I like the tool analogy... It's just another tool but make sure it's not your only tool. IDK!!!! CUZ IT'S A REALLY DOMINATE TOOL THOUGH!!! This subject makes me crazy! Have a nice day
The bass sense the sonar pulse from their lateral line. One of the best electronics bass experts is Jonny from FTM and he has documented numerous times over the last year that he has to set up farther and farther away from offshore bass that he finds with FFS in order to get them to bite. He has also documented experiments numerous times where he graphs over a school of fish and then on purpose re graphs the same spot to find that they have moved
Great video tonight, shout out to the camera man. You know what's up Brent. Keep it going you are doing a Great Job. The topics tonight where Awesome. There's always 2 side's of every catch 5 an weight them all over 2 lbs an release them.
I installed my hds 12 live and ffs today, the only reason everybody don't have it is the price, I've saved money for 7 months to buy it....catch'um up DC & gang...
What happen Sizzle is not eating anything. Great show guys. Always entertaining would love to spend a week in the same house would be fun. Thanks and good luck to all the DING Crew
I love forward facing sonar for my private lake. I use it all the time. Have an MLF tourney where you use it one day and not use it the next. I guarantee the days without will be less in weight and numbers. Just fish!!! if you don't think there is an advantage you're high!!
Fishing was about the mystery and connecting with nature. A way to unplug and be out in nature enjoying it as intended. Forward facing took away the mystery and magic of fishing. Sometimes it’s good to not know everything..
Its different for everyone.... Fishing ALWAYS was and still is for some only about catching FOOD.
Well, your perspective is completely fine, and is also different from a professional fisherman. If you have a piece of technology that would tremendously help you earn more money in your career wouldn’t you chose to use it? But, I will say, I don’t have FFS, but I have used it. I think FFS is pretty awesome and helps us learn more about these fish. But you can still go out on the lake and be very successful catching fish just by knowing about where they are in all parts of the year, their forage, structure, all of that plays into catching a bass. But if you aren’t trying to win money, it’s not all that ethical to have FFS, but it is a great tool to have.
@@TripleAstyle1yes but SPORT fishing isn't.
I think they will have to do something. It's affecting the triple A level and co-angler participation in those tournaments. Not too many co-anglers want to sit in the back of the boat while boaters float around in the middle of the lake casting at individual fish they see with FFS.
I don’t disagree, but i see co-angling simply as an opportunity to go learn from the professionals. I’ve fished 2 tournaments as a co-angler and took one spinning rod and one casting rod. If I’m a co, I’m more interested in how the pro breaks down the lake, what areas they’re targeting based on the conditions and why they make the decisions they do. FFS or not, i really don’t care if I “win” as a co.
Scott Martin saw a co-angler with their own portable forward faceing sonar in the back of the boaters boat in the Okichubby toury. It's coming and boaters will not like it and the extra weight it will bring in their boats.
@@AverageTXAnglerI’m not sure I believe you. I’m just saying
@@jimn1968 To each their own!
@@AverageTXAnglerthat’s what guides are for, usually a little cheaper too
You guys fish for a living, I bank fish. I’ll never tell any of you how you should feel or fight with you about an opinion. This was a fun clip. Just know how blessed you guys are and how many of us watch these wishing we were welcome on the casting couch. Good luck fellas.
I’m still amazed people are mad about this. People act like they didn’t used to call electronics
“ fish finders “ and now that we can actually see fish on a very select area that you have to find might i add People are mad. Y’all acting like if you had 10,000 dollar worth of electronics you wouldn’t use it in that tuesday nighter🫠
@@jonnyb1898 it gives people something to complain about I guess. These guys here are living the dream. I know their life isn’t easy and the stress is probably out of this world but they truly do laugh more in one video than I do all month. They just look like their living a great life. I did some tournaments for a few years as a co angler and had a blast. Won a few, lost a lot. But I had a stroke a few years ago and now just take it easy. I’m young and got 5 kids so now I just enjoy bank fishing in my HOA retention ponds here in Florida and watching videos like this. Have a good day bud.
Bass thumb straight out the WOMB 😂☠️ bro yall kill me
The best set of guys to talk a FFS. I love that you guys support each and great friendships. Let no one or nothing break up this awesome team and friendships.
Y’all can’t see it from a weekend warrior’s perspective? We don’t watch MLF or BASS live to watch 50 of the best pros in the world stare at their screens for 8 hours. I think live viewership will continue to drop because of it.
We are not against FFS per se but rather how it’s caused watching tournaments to be unwatchable.
Remove live scope it’s ruining fishing and tributaries all over the us
If you were fishing for 100 grand you would use it to. Viewership doesn’t matter to the pros. I agree it makes it hard to watch but it’s the future of the sport.
What's the difference between watching someone stare at the screen all day vrs watching KVD sit in the middle of the lake throwing a crankbait on a ledge all day long?
@@shanefloyd2317 it's the same
I think FFS is a wonderful tool but I do not believe it belongs in pro tournaments. Practice with it all you want but it must be off on tournament day. How about just some old school knowledge. You can practice and mark areas but in a tournament, knowledge should allow you to either find fish at your mark or figure out the movement. But I would like to see a reduction in available graphs that can be used on a boat during a tournament event. Also a size limit to keep the TV screens off the front of the boats.
The #1 issue with forward facing sonar is it creates a “pay to play” sport. The average fisherman can’t afford a $2-3k unit to keep up.
That may be the best comment I’ve seen or heard on the whole FFS controversy!!!! 👍👍👍
So wrong. If you can afford a $75K bass boat you can afford FFS. Hell a decent rod and reel combo is going to run $500 and you always need a few on the boat to hit a pattern with efficiency. Even a cheap 17 footer bass boat will run $25K and that is without navigation and other upgrades. The whole sport is expensive. If you can't afford a $3k unit then you certainly can't afford to even fuel a bass or do yearly maintenance on it. This isn't bank fishing
Haven't watched yet but had a though this week... pro golfers have caddies but don't use electronic range finders...there's a line that could be drawn
I think it was Rick clunn who said they invented a gold ball that would go 40% further but they banned it because then all the old records would be blown instantly. I don't see them banning ffs because these companies are making bank off of them, and sponsoring the pros to use them.
Very good point
Remember you guys are the ONLY tournament bass guys that release fish.... some lakes have over 200 boats every weekend...200+.... live well fish don't survive long term.... I'd like to see who can win without FFS .... you guys are my favorite pros and always watch all four of ya... your guys are the best
I'm not a "hater", but I think there needs to be limits on technology.
That was one of the best Casting Couches I’ve ever watched 😮🤣🤣 But great answers and love seeing all y’all talk it out. Jacob is the man of reason and wisdom. DC is all fired up🔥🔥🔥
Guys I really appreciate yall talking this subject publicly…..I can tell you with 100% accuracy that bass at Lewis Smith will absolutely bolt when they feel that beam. Same thing at Chic in Tennessee!!!! FFS is here to stay so everybody needs to just embrace it and move on. Keep crackin em boyz, really enjoy watching how you all.
I couldn't even begin to tell you how many hours I've burnt up chasing fish around on Toledo Bend and Sam Rayburn learning how to use Livescope and not catching crap. It's not even remotely close to as simple as some people make it out to be to Livescope fish but it's definitely unlocked more of Toledo Bend. Just watching yall on my home lake confirmed I still have a lot to learn because yall caught fish in places I never even thought of looking at. Great video as always guys keepem coming!!!
Let’s go MDJ talk about it here out West! Nothing but mad respect for you coming from out West and making the dream come true 👊 Keep it up fellas, such great content as always. My favorite on the tube for sure 🤙
DC saying casting couch and immediately knowing what was going to be said in the comments 😂
I am 51 years old and fishing has been a real part of my life since I was 3 years old. I would pond fish with my dad until I was around 20. I would bass fish for awhile then it was time to catch some bream to bring home and eat. Once I was old enough to bait my own hook and take the fish of my dad made me fish away from him and find my own fish. That was the best thing to happen to me. To be out in nature and find your own fish, just you against the fish. Around age 20 I started fishing at the city lakes. I had a trolling motor, battery, and a portable depth finder. I have never been one to use the depth finder to locate off shore fish. I love to fish shallow and throw at objects I can see. I do use the depth finder to find slightly deeper water. If you are in the back water and it is mainly 2 ft or less and you find some water, a ditch that is 4- 6 ft you may have for something special. I also look at water temp especially in the cold water months. That being said I do admire people who are able to find off shore areas and catch fish consistently. That is a skill. I don't believe live scope is the same though. Using sonar to locate areas that have fish , finding humps and creek channel bends with cover is not the same as forward facing sonar. This ffs is finding a fish and watching it while you present a lure and watch it react. Once you caught it you know to move on to another fish. There is no instinct as was once needed. Not the same as when there was no sonar. I don't care if you use ffs you can do what you want. I have noticed there are 2 types of fishermen. There is the one who loves the connection you get with nature from finding and catching fish, the sense of accomplishment from figuring it out and the love of the chase. Then there is the one who loves catching the fish and competing in a competition. They don't care if they are the one who finds the fish and figures it out for themselves. They would be fine if they were told where to go, what to through, and they are ok with watching it on a screen in order to catch the fish. I don't care because I can only live my life. I will not trade the excitement that comes from pitching a jig next to a stump in a row of stumps not knowing if I will catch 1 or 10 fish for anything. Not knowing or seeing what is about to happen is the joy of fishing to me. You all remember a time when you were fishing and didn't know what was going to happen when you cast by that stump, only to see your line jump or swim off. The excitement to set the hook on a fish that could be the fish of a lifetime was the whole purpose of fishing. Now a whole generation of kids will grow up with ffs and will not have that as their memory. Is ffs worth taking that away from the children? Would you give up all the fishing experiences you had with no ffs to only know what is like to have ffs? I will continue to fish with the excitement of not knowing what is going to happen on each and every cast. That is the path I chose and I would chose that for every kid so they took could have the love of fishing and not just the love of catching to compete. Thanks
I can see your point and agree but I don't think the majority of kids will use ffs right away. However, I spoke with a Garmin Rep recently and he explained how excited his son gets when he sees fish in perspective mode and he talked about the joy his son got from catching them. I think it's all about what makes you happy as you said.
Keep these podcast coming. I could listen to y'all talk bass fishing for days. Who cares what anyone thinks about FFS. Yall can catch them with or without it. All that matters is yall out there doing what you love and im still a fan either way.
Man don’t worry about that DC… you can’t bore most of us. I’m in class right now, y’all Boyz keep teaching! 👍🏽
All of you are spot on. they're not going to jump in the boat. But livescope has helped us catching and finding the fish
I love it, love watching the guys use it and I love watching the tournament guys use them. Here is a way to look at the whole "spot lighting" analogy. If you were using a rifle, and your bullet flew at a 20 degree variance. Would you trust you'll hit the target? In other words somewhere within a 20 degree is your target, do you take the shot? The answer should be no way in the world should you take that shot because you can't swear you'll hit the target. Just because you have it, your not shining a flashlight directly at them. They just happen to be in the beam.
I've listened to each side of the controversy and what most people forget is that you guys or guys that fish for a living are in a completely different category. I still compete with my 2D and 360, in local events, because It's my style of fishing and I've used my techniques for 35 years. Sure at times I get beat with a scope, but it's the evolution of technology and none of the complaints will stop it. I chose not to scope, but I also know I need to upgrade and spend time using it to fit my style. You guys are all class acts and I enjoy watching each of you, so keep on keepin on 👍
I am a California fisherman, I fish mutiple species, I do not regularly watch fishing on TV or other ways. What has got me interested in watching tournament fishing again is these four gentlemen, they put out content that is fun to watch and they are successful in this profession. I started or found DC's vid's on here, then branched out to the other gentlemen through his utube site. Their coverage and production of their uploads is personal / professionaly produced, it has reignighted my interest in watching MLF again. All of you gentlement keep doing what your doing and I know I will keep watching and tracking your products, FFS like all of you talked about is a tool and should be used that way (I agree you can see them, but, you still have to catch them (that takes skill period)).
DC please get on the Elite series. You need to start striving for the classic!
Great topic gents. From a guy who didnt start fishing till mid 50 and now retired on fixed budget. FFS is here.... i have a 18ft boat with first gen garmin livescope and 9" screen. It isnt as easy as you boys make it look i will say that for sure. Can see where the bigger screens and newer transducer with clean power and higher voltage helps but until i can figure it out with my earlier version i believe i havent learned enough about the fish behavior yet to spend the money. Its here and those that are blessed to have it enjoy it. Its not the end of the world though. I still catch fish sight fishing and still love to pitch, flip and power fish to catch em. Good luck to you all this year
I’m going to agree with wheeler and add that I think the only reason it’s become the firestorm that it is , is strictly due to social media. Back in the day when new technology came out it didn’t spread as quickly as things do now.
There's a difference in technology & cheating technology
@@andybales7318 "cheating" is a subjective term, unless there are rules that specifically forbid something.
I have been set against FFS for years. Last year I got back into tournament fishing. And to be competitive I had to buy it. And the learning curve is unreal. I still am learning in fact I caught my first FFS fish today. And I’m 63 years old.
Bass needs to catch and release
Im all about it. But...... for people that want to compete at local tournaments its hard because there are alot of guys that can afford it and win these tournaments. I hope one day i can afford live scope. Will definitely help me compete and learn more about the way bass move and act. Love this couch talk. Was the best.
Excellent cast. I've always felt FFS was pushing it as far as technology goes. This podcast has made me definitely understand where you guys are coming from. In anyone's profession, you use the tool(s) that make your job easier. So use a dag blasted rc submarine if you have to and keep all 4 of you great roomies in the top 10 in every tournament. And finally, I was initially against the every fish counts format. I only follow you four guys and Scott Martin. Watch the Elites catch a few fish, watch MLF guys catch lots of fish? I'm choosing the MLF format. All of you are true ambassadors to this sport and I hope 1 of y'all wins every tournament. It's MDJ's turn, go hoist that trophy Mark.
My son won Colorado state BASS Jr's last year and we are going to Jr. nationals this year in TN. The travel thing is crazy for us. He is 12 and wants to do this already and loves you all. It's insane. Also there is no way to raise money for him so we are trying to raise money selling baked goods. Let us know when and if you ever start anything on this side of the US. Love you all and love watching you all.
Listen, you know I love all 4 of you guys. I watch all the videos all of you guys put out there. You guys make your living doing this. I told that to Mark in one of his videos. You have to use whatever tools are out there to give you a chance to get into the MONEY to feed your families etc. You do what you have to do. PERIOD. LOVE ALL OF YOU.
Mark, Like I told you in your video and now with the other guys, if you are going to make a living bass fishing, you need all the tools available. Good video DC.
Randy will have the camera rolling all night after this one...😂
I was gonna say the same thing.. cant wait for randy to have another video now talking crap about these guys.. hes all washed up just trying to get views
@@andrewjackson8401 to be fair, he does NOT trash other fisherman... just the technology. He has some valid points as a couple of these guys did just agree with.
@@macdaddyblues1he does trash them all the time. Spotlighter!! Umbilical cord attached to them!! Etc... he puts them down all the time.
@@Benwtradarchery not by name! geez
@@macdaddyblues1 to me, imo, if you are calling people cheaters that use it in tournaments, it's just like calling them out by name. imo
You can't compare any other tech to ffs or anything that allows someone to see real time under water. I don't necessarily hate it or love it but I also get why people love it/hate it. But when real time info is available to people, to me personally I think it de-values the importance of knowing how to do all the other things that a good angler should know how to do. At some point, it will have to have some boundries put on it moving forward though, because these companies are going to keep pushing limits until its real time camera footage underwater. And that I'm not cool with.
I also know that I am the odd ball, as I get more enjoyment out of the strategy to get the bite vs flipping them in the boat. Reading water color, weather, temperature, depth, contour and getting that thump is fishing to me.
DC i am not a Bass Guy, i am a SaltWater Guy. But i love watching you Guys. thanks for the House discussion!! Roll Tide!!
F the haters! You and JW are killing the game with tools everyone has, it is what it is. MDJ its time to rep that Cali-Bama connection and lift this trophy. Sending them big fish vibes from Phenix city, Al
As a Viewer and an intermediate bass angler hoping one day to enter the bass circuit tourns, I started bass fishing as most did without sonars so that’s where my opinion is coming from. I believe compromise will be the answer here, years of fishing without the aid of technology brings about set”s” of skills that are nullified with the use of forward facing sonar, the tech does what it’s supposed to and that’s to make it easier to find and put more fish in the boat. The problem is when it comes to tournaments which is supposed to filter out the best of anglers, FFS not only evens the playing field but it also take from those anglers that have spent years acquiring skills that one can only acquire from experience the well deserved title of being one of the best . Now anyone who’s financially capable of having the technology without putting in much time on the water can become an “Elite” therefor it really takes away from the main goal of the tournament which is filtering out the best of the best. I believe the best solution is throughout the circuit… the first couple tournaments (qualifiers) should allow FFS to narrow down the competition then as it gets to the top tournaments it should then start to back away from FFS and solely rely on intuition and experience “raw skills only” your senses to determine the Elite amongst the competitors. Not only would this make Bass Master Elite so prestigious but it would give a great importance and respect to the game in which will be the “talk of the town” more than it does now with the anglers and viewers but it would also encourage challengers to really practice engaging with their environment more from mapping where the forage are, where the herrings are hunting, where the wind and currents are hitting, and creating activities in the water (food chain), to feeling out bottom composition and so forth etc. These are important skill sets that become insignificant with FFS. So In summary forward facing sonar should be use to thin out the competition then as it moves to the “Super Bowl” BMElite/classics; FFS should be banned and require only traditional raw angling skills. Really filler out the best of us.
I love your take on it DC. Just because you have it doesn’t mean you’re going to smash them. You need to know what’s going on as well as how to use your tools.
West Coast does suck for fishing tournaments. But I gotta say, the heavily pressured lakes that we do have out here have trained me very well. I went to Minnesota a couple years back and was slaying bass left and right from the shore next to local anglers who were only catching one here and there.
Title your video, “The Casting Couch!”, you’ll get a whole different demographic tuning in.😂 Great to hear you guys pay respect to your heroes in the sport and those that help build the sport. I appreciate that you all are humble enough to admit that you’re still taken back when they acknowledge and talk with you.
What I would ask is on the conservation front; you acknowledge you have access and capable to see and catch up to 80% of the fish population that you never would have before if not for sonar my question is what’s the difference with someone using forward facing sonar to catch fish that wouldn’t ever be caught without it and using a spotlight to shoot a big buck at night that would have never gotten shot without it? Everyone has access to forward facing sonar just as everyone has access to a spotlight.
im a guy that watches to learn as a new fisherman i dont feel like i learn much from watching ff. i watched the team series and feel like i learned so much more from that series. i understand its what you guys need to complete these days. i personally think it should be a practice tool before the tournament. as for everyday fishing i think lakes should lower the limits if you are using it or catch and release only. just my opinion. great show guys keep them coming.
by the way you guys should team up. it would be great with you shooting the shit live during a tournament
Next is Apple vision pros live view you can see the fish all over the lake and pull up yearly migrations patterns for every lake using A.I @DC fishing
No joking..this where it's headed! I tell people all time,
'fishing no longer is a poor man's game'
I do believe that if you are not up to date with technology then ur left behind everyone else that is not. DC here it is. How many times are you sitting in your deer stand and deer are looking up in a tree. It is the same thing. Use what is offered to you to make the best fishing or hunting experience you can have. This will never stop. Technology will never stop.
It may not stop, but when the fish are nearly are all gone, they won't sell as much of it.
Until there is nothing left…
this was a great discussion to listen to. perfect generation of anglers to have this debate IMO
MDJ, your comment about Scott at Big O . . . He was using perspective mode to locate specific structure ( holes in the reeds, etc.). He wasn't riding around scoping fish. He spent the majority of his time fan casting to areas. This is what he said on Bassmaster.
I have been fishing for 30 plus years and WAS against FFS but after watching DC’s win last tournament and I have realized that there are so many fish doing so many different things using FFS will not really have that big of an effect on fishing but has opened up the entire year of fishing to those who had a tough time in the winter and opened the the entire lake through out the entire year. These fish will always adapt and anglers will continue to practice catch and release so fishing will not be hurt at all. The good thing is having the skills to turn it off and know how to catch fish shallow.
Wheeler, I met Greg a few months ago, and he told me about that story where yall fished together on the river and how you killed them on a chatter bait. Really nice guy. He thinks highly of you..
Viewership and participation has already been affected. Not one single piece of tech has ever had this amount of impact. No skill will make you more competitive right now than that piece of tech. Yes some guys are ahead of the game and love it. When the whole field catches up with you on the tech you'll have a different opinion. Those fish aren't being targeted by the whole field yet. Not one smile while discussing it. Does it really feel right?
Alright, I hear what you are saying, but at the same time, if you are saying you have a problem with these suspended fish being caught that wouldn’t usually get targeted is hurting the sport, then get rid of trolling. You can run multiple lines running down the lake using the same technique, “blindly” while using 2D or down scan/imaging.
It def can’t go anywhere but it would be cool to see maybe a few tournaments where they can’t use it, just to mix things up
with the ability to see your FFS screen on TV watching is amazing and really allowed audience to be a part of what is going on. AMAZING.
No practice days on any Trail if FFS is allowed.. go into the field blind and rely on past experience on where to start and if you’ve never been to a place then Godspeed finding them!!
Casting couch excellent name DC, this was very informative. As a bank fisherman you really got me thinking of what I need to do. You talked about over pressured banks, fish seeing lures nonstop. Don't have electronics but need to search for the fish out in the middle, got start thinking outside the box. Got start look for those ones wondering around lakes and ponds away from shore. All the best @ Santee Guys
Hey DC. Love you guys and use what ever you want to get it done! My question is do you think the lakes can sustain the fish ? Maybe not bass because it’s mostly catch and release. I remember back in the day only a few crappie guys fishing in the winter here in Missouri but now there’s tons of guys catching limits in a couple hours. The guides are even taking 2 or 3 groups out in a day instead of 1 trip. State Paddle fish records are being broken every week. Like I said I have no problem with it but just like you alls opinion on it. Keep them coming partner and best of luck this season!
Words from the wise! Can't beat listening to yall fellas talk about fishing.
I don't think people realize how much knowledge and time goes into being on top of the game. Good luck to all of you guys. Love the videos. Much better that the stupid shows on TV. Fish on.
I actually fished with Rick morris fishing a youth tournament may years ago throwing a chatterbait on lake Gaston in Virginia super cool dude
Brett or Brent (apologies) nailed it! There are 2 sides to the argument. Bottom line, if you’re fishing tournaments or professionally you HAVE to use it or you’ll be out of the sport in a year or 2. Simply cannot compete. Why do you think we’re seeing so many young anglers, and I’m talking under age 25 crushing it right now?
Awesome what you said as an angler....." you never stop learning " ! That's the truth bruh! I have been fishing since I was in diapers haha, and I learn something about fishing all the time. A buddy told me one time that once you learn everything about fishing it's time to find something else. But you never do cuz you are always learning something new! This is a fun podcast to watch. Keep it up boys!
@32:40 MDJ speaks the truth. with FFS, seeing I can do, catching not so much yet. I will be right back I have to go to Cabela's, Academy, Bass Pro because I have the wrong baits.... 🤣
I like it. I watch mlf live to watch yal reel em in. I ain’t got it but im watching a learning for when I do get it
Haters gonna hate. And they hate and complain about the ffs because they don't have it or use it. If they were in you guys shoes, they would use it 100 percent. You guys focus is to get paid and it's just a tool to help you get a check. All fisherman are competitive but not all do it for a living. Only downside I see is the cost of it all. Quite costly for the average person. You guys rock. Best wishes to each of you this season. Tight lines.
“That casting couch” 😂😂 good luck to all yall fellas. 4 straight G’s!!
Hopefully, with any luck, it ends with me having a live stream view of the direction I point my sonar, so I don’t even have to ask myself if it’s the right kind and caliber of fish. I can just see them and know what it is. That’s where I would love for it to end. You still have to catch them.
MDJ got it on the head for West anglers travelling. I live on the Columbia River in Washington, and Lake Havasu, AZ is 16+ hours straight driving, the Cali Delta is 14+, Clear Lake, CA is 12.5, Lake Mead is 14, Shasta CA is 9 hours, Lake Powell is 14. It's rough to drive to all those Toyota Series or any of the other trail. I'd love a couple BFL divisions here, a Northwest and Southwest would be great!
I have forward facing sonar on both my bass boats. And I still will go out fishing and don’t even turn it on. As a bass fisherman you know in the back of your mind there’s a bass on that log, dock or brush pile. Ya I will use it to search things out but again I don’t use it 100% of the time.
I'll be honest fellers I'm over the FFS talk not only we beating a dead horse we dug it back up and beat it again!!! 😂 Oh by the way love the content dustin 👊
I am going to start something. The reason people are upset about forward facing sonar. No longer is it just a small percentage of people that can pinpoint a cast that win . It has opened the field up to anyone who will take the time to learn it. Plus I’m 60 I can’t cast all day anymore this slows me down and makes me competitive again.
Aqua view been around since the early 2000’s,i know a guy that had one he used for stripers,it was a black and white screen,pretty cool back in the day
West coast guy here out of Vegas. Won bass teamed up with bass recently to help qualify for the bass nation Championship and opportunity to qualify for the classic.
I think alot of the ffs just sucks that its so expensive to buy. and soon as you get it its like a phone they come out with something better the next year. so every year its another 2000$ And no offense its hard to watch tournaments where people just stare at the screen. It helps when watching that the angler talks to us the whole time and keeps the conversation going. I think the ( yall ) anglers are seeing that this type of content and talking to us the whole time during the tournament helps us watch yall win. we love yall man, weve grown with yall. yall my dudes man.
I think the biggest issue here guys is that the more and more you are glued to your live scope screens, the farther and farther you’re taking the history away from the sport. That’s why anglers are so passionate. The fact that you are openly stating that you are forced to adapt….imagine going back..and then claiming that you can compete without it but yet all you see on coverage is guys backs bent over to see a screen..coverage is terrible. The business side is going to be affected. You do what you need to do but I wish guys would honor the tradition of the sport more.
I think the pros exactly like you all are going to figure out a lot more with ff. I think there is a combination of old school along with ff that might not have been figured out yet. I might be wrong but I have a feeling there is something else that can be put together no one has figured out yet. I don’t know exactly what I am trying to verbalize but I truly believe there’s a piece of the puzzle still left out there.
Oh yeah, and I wanna see the pros go out in high wind and bad storms. That was the best in the old tournament footage.
Tons of respect for the win DC at Toledo bend. I completely understand for a professional fisherman using all the technology they can to win. Im pretty much just a club fisherman. So I can see both sides to this conversation. However, l kinda compare this too professional golf. That technology has skyrocketed in last 6-8 years and the governing bodies have started to make moves to limit that technology. I think the same may happen in professional fishing, even though I know its still all about the bottom line. Everyone wants to sell their products. One of my major concerns with this new imaging is that people willl abuse it who aren’t professional fishermen.
Should we even have tons and tons of baits anymore? Thinking about dedicating a handful to one box for FFS.
Lol you can send me some lol I use a variety here in Ga😎
Keep it it reel coming making a come back👀 so hyped
Love the podcast. Thank you for shouting out Kentucky Lake at the end as it’s my home lake it’s slowly coming back to what it once was
carp situation getting better?
@@nchen09yeah some There’s still a lot tho
For West Coast guys I think Dean Rojas should be listed. Originally from NY but known for being from Lake Havasu AZ.
With bass fishing, there is ALMOST an infinite amount of information to learn. Listen to OG anglers who have fished for many years and they will tell you quick that they are constantly learning. I love to try to figure fish out since I don’t do many tourneys anymore, and that’s the appeal to me
In CT we allow boxing of fish while on beds, this state has also ruined many lakes and ponds by introducing grass carp. They virtually wipe out all vegetation for us.
What happens to all these fish being caught in 20 -40 feet deep after they been pulled up from deep and then they get released????
The vast majority of the fish are released fine. Especially for this format. Most of them that they are catching on live are suspending and are not that deep
They survived like any other animal. Next.
Im an old school at 55 years old i can say that this group of guys their commroderie is the most enjoyable part of watching anything associated pro angling today when i was their age there was only one league and unlike today with youtube and all these other formats and multiple leagues the tournament anglers lifestyle is something that was hardly ever seen and to know it you had to be in it and getting to see these guys in this format is very enjoyable for me not growing up in this information age. I really like this format and it puts the viewer on a more personal level with these guys living the dream
One thing for sure my son and I fish tournaments we use live scope just because you find them doesn't mean they will bite we find more that wont bite then will.
Ole Randy and the bilge podcast will be up all night crying. Gotamighty
so its crying when someone disagrees with your point of view? You must be a democrat.
You got the chatterbait all wrong! It wasn't Jonny Morris it was Bryan thrift at Ocachobee in 2006. He won an everstart tournament the week before an FLW event. I was his boater on the first day of the Flw event. Everyone was scrambling to get there hands on some! He absolutely smashed them in the everstart tournament!
I freakin love watching you guys lol. Yall are the best bass squad hands down. So for FFS I love it. If it was the difference that helps me win 100k I’d have transducers dripping off my boat, forward, backward up, down and around the corner… I’d have so many transducers I’d tell you where that bass was born and who his mom is. lol. Seriously tho, technology will never beat out evolution, the bass will learn just like yall are saying. Buttttttt, until they do idk about yall but I’m jerking lip scars in everyone I can trick into biting. I hope yall get 1st ,2nd, 3rd and 4th this weekend. Good luck to all of you.
If u get more satisfaction "catching" fish in an illegitimate fashion, then go for it...Scoping isn't fishing
@@andybales7318 lol. I’m on it. Question tho. Idk if you’re a hunter but if you are… do you still use an antique stick bow, or a 1989 compound? Do you have a new rifle that shoots MOA groups at 500 yards or a 1980 black powder. Do you use old ammo or the new new super accurate match grade stuff do you have game cameras? If do are they the old ones with film, or the new ones that snap and send to your phone in live action. Point is FFS don’t catch fish (trust me it’s an art) I’m still trying to master, but it helps you find them and ups the odds of a correct cast, must like a 2020 and up Mathew’s that were killing deer an elk at 100 yards with because of precision. Kids are making 400 yard elk kills with 6.5 non kick rifle rounds every year using silencers to not spook game for second shots if missed AND… not one of these upgrades are diminishing game. In fact in allot of states they are raising the amount you can kill on does every year with game and Fish begging you to shoot more does. DNR are the paid professionals that monitor this stuff they’ll let us know when it’s a problem. Thanks for the comment good luck fishing and DC go wrangle them donks baby!!!!
@@drivenbyarchery8676 those upgrades aren't diminishing game, because those are just upgraded TOOLS...FFS isn't a tool....and it's not an art, as u say...takes a couple days to learn what u are seeing on the screen..that's it...stop pretending, I'm not oblivious to FFS...it's "legal" cheating..end of story
@@andybales7318 well sounds like you got it all figured out buddy thanks for the comment. You know the old saying one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Guess that’s true with new technology as well. Good luck fishing, hope you catch some giants.
@@drivenbyarchery8676sounds like you figured it out, can literally see the fish on screen without knowing what's under the water, it's not fishing, but you figured it out, by watching a screen!?!?
They crying bc they can’t win! It’s 2024, get with the times. Lee it rolling, squad. Love the show and content. Tell Jacob to get his tournament videos released! Come on man! Haha
They’re crying cause they can’t afford their bills let alone a $3k unit to compete
@@Matt-dj3tc I respectfully disagree. I don’t think any of those pros are struggling to pay bills. They all have live scope too..
@@TS1023TSthat's mostly through sponsorship or other side hustles, these pros, not the top 10 are definitely struggling to make a living, when did bass fishing make life easy, the struggle is real
I'm a bank fisher but I think the issue with the FFS most ppl think you just go out and catch everything they see. Also some ppl think it's cheating. Most of the old school guys had to do map study and put time on the water and learn fishing patterns and stuff. Me personally whenever I get a boat my plan is to get one. Now as far as it negatively effecting the fish population I see why ppl are concerned. I know 2 guys personally that go fishing every single day unless it's a severe thunderstorm for crappie and limit out almost every trip. Me personally I'm ok with it
I actually don’t mind watching you guys fishing on the FFS I still find it interesting I think most of the complaints I hear from fisherman is that even by technology standards it’s expensive but we’ll all just have to suck it up work some overtime save up and buy it if you want to stay competitive even at the local level
I don't have an issue with ffs, but for me I fish local tournaments and I'll be fishing a tournament on Santee Saturday. Problem is I don't have the funds to have livescope, but I'm fishing against over half the boats that have it. It makes it hard for someone like me without the funds to compete with people who know how to use it well.
Hope to bump into you Saturday because that means I'm on em lol
I'm in the same boat bruh
"Solely dependant" question is a GREAT question. I own a driving school and I warn against solely dependant on new technology like back up cameras. I think as a general rule you should always rely on your own senses primarily and ADD technology as an aid because.. . what happens if you don't have technology? I personally don't like the idea of losing a tournament because of one thing. How stupid would it be to only throw an jig and say, "Dang! I lost cuz they weren't eating a jig!" I like the tool analogy... It's just another tool but make sure it's not your only tool. IDK!!!! CUZ IT'S A REALLY DOMINATE TOOL THOUGH!!! This subject makes me crazy! Have a nice day
The bass sense the sonar pulse from their lateral line. One of the best electronics bass experts is Jonny from FTM and he has documented numerous times over the last year that he has to set up farther and farther away from offshore bass that he finds with FFS in order to get them to bite. He has also documented experiments numerous times where he graphs over a school of fish and then on purpose re graphs the same spot to find that they have moved
#NailedIt Dustin Connell. Fishermen/women have to have some knowledge to "get around" the fish.
Great video tonight, shout out to the camera man. You know what's up Brent. Keep it going you are doing a Great Job. The topics tonight where Awesome. There's always 2 side's of every catch 5 an weight them all over 2 lbs an release them.
Wait until yall see the latest technology using the augmented reality goggles with FFS
I installed my hds 12 live and ffs today, the only reason everybody don't have it is the price, I've saved money for 7 months to buy it....catch'um up DC & gang...
What happen Sizzle is not eating anything. Great show guys. Always entertaining would love to spend a week in the same house would be fun. Thanks and good luck to all the DING Crew
I love forward facing sonar for my private lake. I use it all the time. Have an MLF tourney where you use it one day and not use it the next. I guarantee the days without will be less in weight and numbers. Just fish!!! if you don't think there is an advantage you're high!!