1960: SCUNTHORPE is BOOMING | Panorama | Voice of the People | BBC Archive
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- "To the unemployed of Glasgow it would seem like paradise."
Francis Williams reports from Scunthorpe, a town riding the wave of the booming steel industry. One third of Scunthorpe's residents work directly in steel, and the town's population is increasing every year as more and more people seek the high wages and job security of the steelworks. Can Scunthorpe cope with this newfound prosperity, or has the town effectively sold its soul to steel?
Originally broadcast 11 July, 1960
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I cannot stop watching videos on this channel, it's such a good decision by the BBC to release them all in this way.
That brief moment when war was behind us and a golden future lay ahead. Or so it seemed. In reality it was a swansong for British industry and storm clouds were already gathering.
16 years later the IMF was bailing the sterling out, with inflation at 25%
So history is repeating itself again at the moment then
@@antonymarjeram576 we should have kept the gold standard
So long as there were and still are plenty of maggots … 🐛🐛🐛🐛
@@LANCSKID...and cheap lousey (erm, careful 🤔) 'haddock's' 🙌
I live in Glasgow and I still consider Scunthorpe to be Paradise.
..... come and try the air quality, it is worse than central London. Come and enjoy our Eastern European shops, you can have a feeling being abroad without having to fly there. Finally, have a tour of our our drug culture in the town centre and deprived Council estates..... is this what you mean by "paradise" :o)
🤣🤣🤣+1
They chain the vinegar to the chip shop counter
I'm from Scunthorpe and this town has gone into the dust the steal works is a rotten past to the sadness this town is now
It's not a good idea for a town to rely on just one industry.
Grew up in the area, the optimism is definitely not there anymore.
Used to live in Grimsby.... this area is doomed
@@interproservice it's been in long term decline for decades I'm afraid. I moved elsewhere years ago. Gotta face facts.
@@HARRi81_UK From Mark and Spencers to Poundshops. This is reality. Shame really. Even in Hull most posh shops are now closed. Greetings from Poland
Any maggots?
I was born in Scunthorpe, the narrator here sounds like Attenborough discussing an alien species. When I was young I'd never seen a beggar, pawnbrokers were something in old black and white movies, and Mum told me about my Dad standing in soup queues in the 1930's. I thought all that was consigned to history. This is so condescending. I don't recognise the pitch in this film, back then people had decent lives and the town came alive on Thursday, which was pay day for the steelworkers. I worked at Normanby Park Steelworks until closure. The best bunch of blokes I ever worked with; great banter in the clockhouse; guys that had served in the war. The night sky would blossom with crimson light, like a false dawn, from slag being tipped on the banks. It could be seen as far away as Hull and out at sea. The street I grew up on - Holland Avenue - was a community. A lost age; a lost time. There's an agenda here though. Fascinating to see the old town. Robin Witting
Any maggots? 🐛🐛🐛🐛
Frank Williams was controller of press censorship in the wartime government, PR advisor to Attlee's Labour and a governor of the BBC. Like many of his worldview, he watched the "common man" with a critical eye. There is no shortage of people who think they know what's best for us around today.
People seem so much more measured & considered in their words. People seem so much calmer and balanced in their communication & perspective on life. They talk about people striving for materialism with no intrinsic connection to those around them/sense of community. Don't know what to do with themselves they say of the young folk.
Imagine what these people would think of Britain, 2022.
Lived there in the early 70's and remember the mobile grocer shop coming round every week, the huge drums of Riley's crisps dumped on the local wasteground, the Comet pub and the Community Centre in East Common Lane
This whole newsreel seems like it was made to tempt fate. If so it definitley worked 🙁
1 in 3 houses is a council house. Making life affordable. Thanks Thatcher, you put a stop to any of life being affordable.
Mass immigration is is having a bigger affect on house prices. House prices stayed affordable even after she let people buy their council homes, and didn't shoot up until we quadrupled our immigration over night in the late 90s and kept increasing it. You would have to built a Liverpool each year to keep up with our immigration rate.
Up to 1997, immigration was a trickle...then madman Blair stepped in and swung open the floodgates.
You don’t have to like immigrants, different food, cultures and faces can be hard to accept for some. But if you have any grasp on history or a basic understanding of economics you know they’re not causing the housing crisis.
@@tvrtvr6984 immigrants don't arrive with £££thousands and buy houses. Immigrants have nothing to do with house prices. Nothing. This is all what Thatcher set in motion 45 years ago. Selling off housing for poor people. Selling off industry that employed poorer people. Cutting funding to the NHS that saved poorer people's lives. Then blaming it all on people from other countries. This is the narrative that brought us to Brexit and the total annihilation of what actually made Britain great, caring about others. Now we're just a little tinpot America suckling at the teat of capitalism and caring nothing about anyone but ourselves. We used to care about our people from cradle to grave, now it's "get a job ya lazy poor people and contribute to society (whatever that means) or you'll end up living in the streets"
The rich are having the biggest effect on house prices. Buying up your parents home and renting to your kids that no longer earn enough to compete with the rich@@tvrtvr6984
Wow. This is so perceptive and prescient.
There were plenty of estate pubs in Scunthorpe at the time, and built as part of the estates in late 50s through until 1968.
Love it. People where so humble back then.
It’s cause we so F’n good these days they can’t beat us
Just shows what a diet consisting of maggots can do … 😸
Scunthorpe is now the same as most UK manufacturing towns and cities, IE a post industrial, none wonderland of boarded up shops and closures.
Yes, i can imagine it’s much like a lot of towns in what we call the Rust Belt here in the US. I certainly know that the Cleveland, Ohio is a shadow of what it was when i was young, if in much better shape than Detroit, Michigan, for example.
@@dcseain correct, but here in the UK the rust belt is every place, south of Watford Gap
"Fresh maggots daily".
To think, they'd be in their 60's now.
Funny how time.. Flies.
You mean time Flyes ..... Maggots 😆
That was so bad it was funny. 🇬🇧👍🤣😂
80s actually
Time flies like an arrow - but fruit flies like a banana !
@@stupitdog9686 😁👍Maggot a good one there.
What a great video, really like these longer ones,
… and the maggots … 🐛
What a fascinating video
I’m living in Scunthorpe now and hasn’t changed much ..
Pretty sure there weren't grooming gangs in the Frodingham/Crosby area back then.
Nor the Poles and Kurds waving knives at each other in Schnapps.
also scunthorpe, hi.
Hasn't changed much? I reckon it has.
Can you still get fresh maggots daily?! 😉
What an incredible social case study.
Wish life was still like this. People spoke alot more educated although they had less. Government is too blame
05:10. This guy was a herald for things to come.
he is describing the baby boomer generation
Maggot eating … 😺
Such an interesting vid of days gone by !!!
I lived there for a few years in the early 1990s working at the Steel Works. It was a really nice place then with great people. Henry Africas and the Baths Hall were great places. Bad Manners with Buster Blood Vessel used to come once a year to the Baths and it always ended up the same with chairs being thrown across the room from both sides as it developed into a pitched battle until the coppers came to restore order, everyone shouting "you fat b*stard". Great fun...
Sounds rich in culture to me 🤣.
4:07 yeah there isn’t the sense of community now, I get that, but thats still a weird expectation 😂
Very interesting programme showing that not everything was rosy when more money was available. I was born in the North East in 1961. +1
I love watching these old films..... But also makes me extremely sad at lossing these traditional times
What do you mean traditional times? Many of the people in the film are saying they’re not happy because the growing industry and shift patterns whilst bringing wealth are negatively impacting society and community is getting weaker. But then this becomes the new tradition.
Hahaha you miss when everyone dies of preventable disease? If you’re not a rich, white, man, it would be terrible. Even then, it was rough.
tRaDiTiOnAL tImEs, lol
The whole point of the film was that people felt traditional times had already passed.
I understand, ignore these effeminate losers.
I've lived in and around Scunthorpe all my life. The only place I recognise in this video is the steelworks. It's absolutely fascinating listening to the insights of people who faced the exploitation of their free time, community and values under capitalism before the prosperous bubble popped. It's striking to see and hear that anxiety of knowing these aspects of life were being threatened, but all seemed fine with the promise of better money. Of course, the long-term exploitation of labour in this way cannot be sustainable and Scunthorpe is left in that state of not knowing what to do with itself. What can it do now with a fragmented community? With their time only dedicated to working for either the steelworks or the major corporations that have taken over the dwindling high-street, we are still only living to buy that new fridge, motorbike or second-hand car. Some of us cannot work, so we rely on state benefits that just barely keep us alive. If we can do the work it is underpaid and miserable. Some are blamed for not wanting to work, though I cannot blame them for looking at this town that has been spent and seeing no enrichment to their lives in taking part in the machine that has ground this town to a stagnating halt.
At 2:10 and then the ladies talking is Beechway in Lincoln Gardens so assume the houses pictured are around there as well
I went to scunny once because I needed to use their comet electrical shop for a turntable,this was 1980 the town was like basildon town centre all low build nasty rough concrete and wide pavements that were already past their best,im not knocking the people but I have never had a desire to return there as it was proper depressing and remember this was 40 years plus ago so the place was already past its prime,great film of the time though maybe 74?
For Christ’s sake just look at the title of the film; it was produced in 1960 🤦.
there’s nothing to do.. it’s all about money.. feels like we’ve missed out on something.. there’s no sense of community.. everyone lives in their houses (rather than in community)
all sounds, and feels, a lot like right now.
that's the whole country of Ireland
Does anyone know how much it costs to get a dinghy out of the UK?
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@@unnamedchannel1237 bargain! Where do we sail from?
@@MrDirkles Now the yearly flooding has just started we should be able to pick you up from your front door 🤣
A few tins of maggots and a bent trumpet … 🤠
@@Gigantemanatee is that extra though?
Used to work there, long way from booming now
Had family there, it wasn't too bad in the 60's but the promise wasn't matched by reality.
I think people back then were much more willing to conform to working long hours, dedicated to their work, despite lack or lesiure/family time. Certainly more sense of community, which helps people to enjoy their work and leisure. More naviety generally, but, sense a of belonging.
We used to be a real country 😔😔
Love the 0-6-0 tank engine!
I wonder how many factory workers now talk about wage differentials today... I wonder how many would even know what it is. Different times.
Who is the marvelous narrator?
Sir Peter Pipe-sucker.
Peter Pipesucker went on to write the highly acclaimed, ‘There’s more than one use for a washboard’ and ‘Successful worm tickling for beginners’. He was subsequently awarded a (k)nighthood to keep his ears warm in bed. His final work ‘Black/white … what’s the difference?’ Was completely ignored by everyone. 🤓
10:31 "People are happy enough to live within their own family." This certainly does not apply these days to a large swath of UK society. Strange to me that the speaker seems to think it is something new. I suppose pre-war the village or parish or whatever, containing many families, was the indivisible unit.
it does hold today, people only live within their families for the most part. how many close friends have you? single digits for most
starring Hilda Ogden!
Mental comparing it to Glasgow when Motherwell was just down the road
Scunthorpe men are not real men like us from Preston, we used to eat beetles on two thin slices of bread made out of sawdust and water.
Insert the four Yorkshiremen sketch.
bah!! you were lucky! we had only !!!!!!!!!
That sounds appetising with brown or red sauce
What the hell are you talking about; maggots are much better to eat! Honestly, some people 🤪.
Oh the irony. The comment about the lack of comradeship compared to the likes of the Nottinghamshire miners.
I wonder what that town is like today. Is the steel industry still there. I’d like to see if it survived.
Owned by Tata Steel and now heavily loss-making.
Live in one of the villages outside it. The steel industry is on it's arse, and the town is trying to find itself a new niche, marketing itself as a university town now. It's like a lot of the old former industrial towns, has a far larger population than it's economy can support, so it's shabby, down at heel, a bit of tension between the natives and newcomers from Pakistan and Central Europe. Suffered a lot from being a one-party town for years (as many towns have of all political hues) who did as they pleased as their was no chance of anyone else getting in. Changed when the old MP was jailed for expenses fiddling, and the new MP was very pro-Remain when the town was very pro-Brexit.
@@heinkle1 wrong. The Steel works are chinese owned now. We were owned by Tata but that was a few years back now.
It's a dump now like most towns in u.k
China owns the steelworks now and have pumped 80m into it recently.
Know a few lads who work their that are being offered above inflation pay rises, which never happened under Tata.
Town is doing okay, much better than recent years, 2008 really put a damper on the town, but it feels a bit more optimistic now a days even with the current recession on the horizon
Love watching these old interviews , makes me always wonder what happened to everyone in them , many will be long gone. Sad 😞
The town that gave its name to The Scunthorpe Problem. Look it up, it's quite funny.
Typhoo owned up to putting the "T" in Britain, did anyone own up for putting the c - - t in Scunthorpe?
"The Scunthorpe problem is the unintentional blocking of websites, e-mails, forum posts or search results by a spam filter or search engine because their text contains a string (or substring) of letters that appear to have an obscene or otherwise unacceptable meaning. . The problem was named after an incident in 1996 in which AOL's profanity filter prevented residents of the town of Scunthorpe, North Lincolnshire, England, from creating accounts with AOL, because the town's name contains the substring "cunt". In the early 2000s, Google's opt-in SafeSearch filters made the same error, preventing people from searching for local businesses or URLs that included Scunthorpe in their names."
@@arnechino In the 1990s my computer stopped me searching for anything to do with canals. Took me ages to realise it was objecting to "anal"!
the narrator sounds so pissed off. Then again, cant blame them. I too would be if i had to talk about scunthorpe for 13 minutes.
A house was roughly 2.5x your salary back then. These days it's 6. In other parts of the country it's even worse, and yet the Tories keep winning elections. Turkeys voting for Xmas comes to mind.
Where's the cultural enforcement, I mean enrichment?
Most fitting name in the uk?
We saw a kid's high sleeper bed advertised in Facebook .It was brand new still in it's box, they had bought it from Argos. That was in Scunthorpe. We went to have a look and yes it was obvious it had never been opened. I asked why they were selling it off cheap "Cos council's tekken kids off us so we dunt need it nah!" God it was a rough area. Anyway we bought the bed and left as soon as possible. (Flesh crawling time) 🤢 OK every town has it's 'arse end' l guess but as a friend once told me "Who put the cunt in Scunthorpe!" (The bed's brilliant by the way)🤣
They should think themselves lucky... Now we have poor wages and there still isn't anything to do...
Yes, and overtime is heavily sought after but rarely granted now. We're not after it because we're going to use the money for pleasurable things but because our wages are too low and the sodding rents, mortgages and bills are too high! :(
@@emgee81 remember you will own nothing and be happy? Think they lied about the last part.
Wages 16 pound week. That would just about you a Costa coffee and danish these days. 😅😅
A house cost 2.5 X your salary back then. These days it's 6...
How much for a tin of maggots? 🧔🏼♂️
What I got from this was that everyone looked the same back then? The old men had flat caps, short back and sides and a woodbine hanging out of there mouths, the young men looked exactly the same too, as did the women. But all that was going to change in a few years time! I'm guessing looking diffrent back then was frowned upon?
Haven't the establishments done a wonderful job since 🥴
All the town needs now is a dentist…
And an umbrella mender, tripe vendor and a typewriter repair centre. 🐜
And a bloody good cobbler.
@@Gigantemanatee More maggots, please … 🐛🐛🐛🐛
They were building council houses
sadly changed days now.
What do you do with the maggots? Use them as bait for fishing, feed them to pet birds, or what?
fishing
@@nkenchington6575 Thank you.
Ate them between mouldy doorsteps of Hovis … what else?
Scunthorpe used to sell maggots in cans out of a vending machine, I am serious!. It was the only time I have ever seen a maggot vending machine. The reason was so that you didnt have to wait for the tackle shop to open to get maggots before you went fishing early hours. It was located at a petrol station forcourt and shut down around 1999.
i reckon a dentist would have made a million there
Scunthorpe, blocked by many a profanity filter.
now its the worst place to live and work
Same as it ever was, except the bloody foreigners of the day came from Nottingham.
I love the bewilderment that people would spend money on things that freed them from domestic drudgery - I'm guessing the journalist grew up in a house with servants.
I've heard some funky British accents in my time but this has to be one of the strangest.
I think I'll take up pipe smoking 🤔
People had more sense back then.
You’d be surprised. Remember they can cut and trim the video as the please . Same as they do these days but just opposite these days they report the trash and extreme for shock value
They ate maggots … so nourishing … 🦧
Yay I'm early
I’m a boat, nice to meat you early
Got any maggots? 🥸
scunthorpe is better
In the latter half the 20th century Britain was still a great country. Then came New Labour...
Back when snowflakes didn’t exist
But maggot eaters did … 😱
Not a BAME face to be seen marvelous
There lies the problem today, diversity spells the death of everything it touches. Its failed & we are the ones who lose.
What’s this place like now?
@@deathblaster6679 worst of the worst infested with mosques
@@deathblaster6679 down town Karachi
@@deathblaster6679 try find and English shop or person not on gear near the centre you will get a medal