There is so much emotions in Beethoven's music that it brings me to tears and the way this performer interpreted the style is just incredible. I am an American-Classical composer and if I had a tablespoon full of his talent, I'll be complete...
Estudiando el primero y segundo conciertos para piano en 1976 fue un gran cambio, un salto inmenso estudiar el 3o. sentí en lo más profundo de mi ser la "ruptura" de Beethoven con el clasicismo de Haidyn y Mozart.. desde aquel entonces una de mis obras favoritas! Maestro Kissin el interprete ideal para la obra Bravo Bravo Bravo!!!
The largo is so utterly gorgeous. It is like the mind in a state of pleasant reminiscence. Also, at times you can hear the influence of Mozart. My favourite movement!
thank you for sharing of this beautiful recording of Kissin and Collin Davis. I have the cd of all other this Beethoven concertos as well. These are a million dolar recording by this brilliant pianist and the outstanding performance by Sir Davis and orchestra. I never tire listening it is so inspiring to start my day.
The timpani at 16:35 is like the heartbeat of the entire first movement finally exposed. The falling piano line that responds is nearly heart-breaking....
In my humble opinion, Kissin shows originality in his interpretation though there are artists who show show much more. His use of of rubato can be a bit much at times; overall his performance was exceptional, however as compared to his usual prowess I would rate this performance as subpar.
I enjoy the information about Kissim. Wish the silly comments hadn’t discouraged the knowledgeable people from telling us about Kissim. I know he married later in his life a tiny little girl who he had known as a child. Love seeing him holding her in his arms. So glad he is happy.
Best introduction of the piano after the orchestra introduction (1st mvnt) of all I've heard - it needs a lot of power to match the ending of the orchestra. After that, he is rushing it a bit here and there, but by little, so it is very good overall although not a top perormance.
Apparently the uploader did. He sent me a message thanking me and added the date to his information. I guess some people don't know enough to realize that Evgeny Kissin has had three distinct periods. Untrained child prodigy, partly trained ex-child prodigy, and after two years of intensive study ending in 2006, finished product. Purchases of CDs should be made by informed people although they are usually made by ignorant fools.
kinkokonko Since I have gotten 37 positive comments and two negative ones - although yours was the only one that stooped to vulgarity I guess you know where you stand.
+Gerry Rains Not currently son. And regardless it is a well shit comment that agitates and stops the general adoption of classical music. The main point of music is pleasure in listening. It is not an academic subject. Mozart was a rude man, Beethoven belligerent rogue, both abused, both Genius. The way you talk is they need to study on a blackboard for 40 years and you need this to enjoy their music also. Basically I think you view on music is so shallow it beggars belief. Sure enjoy the history but dont stamp on the main thing. The Music and the listener. Do History or something. Maybe WW2 Stalinggrad and that. Don't comment on art which has fk all to do with dates yada yada and more on emotion and feeling.
Yes indeed this is great music. Even if the other top 5 classical composers of all time had more talent...it was Beethoven who made the absolute best music. Like the bull in the china shop....he makes interesting things happen :) Btw....that is superb piano work by Mr Kiissin. My god that is great music.
" Even if the other top 5 classical composers of all time had more talent." Could you please name those 5? It's a tall order to be more talented than beethoven. I'm very curious.
Alot of it is a little like Mozart. Beethoven and Mozart lived at the same time, so it is very normally to find things between Mozart and Beethoven. I do it all the time
Performer: Evgeny Kissin Orchestra: London Symphony Orchestra Conductor: Colin Davis I. Allegro con brio 00:00 II. Largo 17:36 III. Rondò. Allegro 28:16
I actually believe Lang Lang plays the Beethoven's piano concertos much much better. more emotion more heart as Beethoven intended. Listen to his CD, you will see. but Kissin is close 2nd.
Jim Cha, believe me and Won Woo Choi! Between Kissing and Lang Lang there is the same difference that you can find between an olympic champion of ice-skating and an old lady falling on the ice of a sidewalk on a winter day! :) there is the difference between art and dilettantism! Hopefully keeping on listening (also in live concerts, that are more true) will make the difference clear to you! p.s. kissin is better live than in recordings!
Jim Cha I don't think you should compare. Though Beethoven is not Kissin's choice as such. Kissin is an artist. Lang Lang is what, honestly ? AKB48 ? I would take it to the Chopin Etude's as example. You wont see 10 1-4 played better by anyone than Kissin. You will see 100 shit renditions of 25-1 by Lang Lang on all media forms. You could also listen to one sublime Horowitz rendition of this Etude or indeed a Horowitz Scarllati sonata which blows Lang Lang away. If Piano playing is a sport of rolling eyes and looking like a dick perhaps Lang Lang has achieved his goal.
Jim Cha Lang Lang is an excellent player, especially good on romantic pieces, I think. But don't just try to put Lang Lang on the same stand with Kissin. It's a kind of blasphemy. Kissin is already in the state of a maestro. But Lang Lang is far behind it. He could be a maestro someday if he focuses on the piano playing itself without doing extra commercial activities. Kissin knows only the piano, he practices long time everyday while Lang Lang spends his precious time enjoying his fame.
Gerry Rains I wouldn't commend anyone to Graffman's tutelage without at least one serious caveat. Earl Wild, with whom I studied for four years, worked with several former Graffman (and Fleisher) pupils, all of whom had developed hand problems that Wild attributed to their former teacher's own bad habits (incorrect hand positions, misuse of the fourth finger, harmful practice habits). He also claimed he was able to foresee early on that Fleisher and Graffman would eventually develop physiological problems with their hands.
Second thought - after listening to this listen to Zimerman's performance of the same piece with Bernstein conducting the Vienna PO. For the sake of interest compare the performances of Kissin versus Zimerman in Beethoven's 3rd, 4th, and 5th piano concerti.
Gerry Rains In my opinion, Zimerman nailed the 3rd one. His technique is flawless and is just clean to perfect. Kissin seems to have more emotion, but I still think Zimerman's is more easy to listen to. Kissin is an EXCELLENT Chopin pianist, but I've rarely heard him play Beethoven.
+TisfatDude0703 Well said, I prefer Zimerman's interpretation as well. It's less emotional, but the clarity, the dynamics and the phrasing complement this concerto in a truly magical way. I've never heard a better 3rd, I think.
There is no performer (I include conductors and composers with musicians) who cannot benefit from continuing to take lesson throughout his or her career. As to YW being a student of Graffman, that is true, but if you look at the ratings in Amazon for Prokofiev's third piano concerto you will find that Graffman has been voted a five by every single rater. YW is above 4 but that's hardly the same thing. She is certainly improving, but more lessons from him before he dies would benefit any pianist performing today.
You use a superficial an specious argument to support your superficial and specious argument! Every performer matures as they play-perform-ponder-listen. "Lessons" are a puerility accountable only to your own needs... Amazon ratings are your template now for critical opinion? And 5 ratings vs. 4+ significant in any valid way critically? You are still in need of help Gerry...
Why do you take simple observations that are different from yours personally? Why do you use defamatory terms? This is supposed to be, in essence, a forum in which people state their views. Yet you insist on trying to bully those who, quite simply, hear music and state their views about it. Statements like "you are still in need of help Gerry" show a juvenile desire to defame those who simply have views different from yours. It seems that you can't obey the rules set by Google, the owners of TH-cam, which state that defamatory statements aimed at others are strictly forbidden. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PERSONAL ATTACKS THAT YOU HAVE LAUNCHED AGAINST ME, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT I REFUSE TO GO DOWN IN THE GUTTER AND LAUNCH COUNTERATTACKS AGAINST YOU PERSONALLY. I simply have different musical tastes than yours. If you continue in this vein, then I will report you to Google as somebody who should be banned from making statements in YT for whatever length of time they feel appropriate. ***YOU ARE VIOLATING THE RULES OF THIS FORUM AND IF YOU CONTINUE I WILL DEFINITELY REPORT YOU TO THEM.
Gerry Rains Gerry-you are definitely suffering from OCD or paranoid schizophrenias...and your monomaniac opposition and critical bias toward Yuja Wang is just one silly manifestation of such.... Your rather inept and musically superficial and obvious opinions and stream of consciousness ranting (like this fevered post) are fine with me for you to do-your musically foolish and critically attacking bias's are, on the other hand, fair game for countering and my critical attack-and since you seem to lack any real reasoning time after time in posting them-my opinion on your mental competency too. LOL-report me if you wish; I have done NOTHING to "VIOLATE" rules here-I have simply firmly opposed your seemingly unrelenting and mentally unbalanced troll's of this fine young pianist YW.... As I have stated before, best you stick to enjoying the music and stop the trolls; or put another way-if you can't take the heat-stay out of the kitchen...;-)
Es verad lo que dice Gerry Rains. Kissin tuvo tres periódos. Este es el ultimo, aquí esta mas reflexivo. Como si masticara las notas, Sigue siendo buenísimo pero creo que mas serio y estudioso.-
Especially in the 3rd movement, first 90 seconds or so, Kissin "does" what Kissin is typical of doing - he uses his pianistic skills to view the music as he sees fit. A little Beethoven (precious little at that) some later Mozart, some hint of Liszt etc. I find his "thematic" wandering often musically fatiguing. Accurate keyboarding, but untrackable lack of faith to The Immortal Beloved. The Londoners give their usual polished ensemble.
Bloodgras, You're right to some degree. Fools don't care. Those who are familiar with the three distinct periods of Kissin's performance level do care.
Thank you for adding the information, Gerry Rains ! It is for sure important! For sure I'll update the video infos! I have never really thought about Kissin's performance periods... Is it a division based on his age?
Marco Veranda Yes and no. He was a child prodigy, and in the late 1980s and early to mid 1990s he stopped taking lessons and recorded a great deal at a level that he has long since surpassed. Fortunately for him he was Russian and on the advise of other Russian pianists he started to take lessons from them and he went through a period when he progressed rapidly. That was hardly amazing since he is incredibly gifted. That was his second period. By the time that period had ended he had reached a level, which while not at the Hofmann - Richter level made him one of the premier pianists in the world (Hofmann, Richter, Gieseking, Moiseiwitsch, Rachmaninoff, Horowitz, Sofronitsky, et al being dead). I believe that he could become even better although I'm not sure that there are many teaching pianists left alive who could help him. Certainly Gary Graffman might help him a bit. Tragically, Graffman sprained a finger on his right hand but, instead of patiently waiting for it to heal, he kept on playing while attempting to compensate for that sprain. As a result he did irreperable damage to his right arm. Since then seven concerti for the left hand have been written for him and there were other concerti for the left hand written previously, so he can still perform those pieces. However, if you listen to the posts on TH-cam of Graffman playing the first and third piano concerti of Prokofiev you can hear greatness personified. I own that CD, having purchased it from Amazon where every single rating is a five. Ignore the fans of Yuja Wang whose Amazon ratings of the third concerto range from three to five. In all fairness to her it is a terribly difficult piece to play and I'm sure that she will improve with the passage of time. So the three periods of Kissin can be defined by time but they really are the periods of lower plateau, improvement, higher plateau. Sadly the once great Moscow Conservatory has been politicized by Putin and it is now but a shadow of its former self. The great instrumentalists, conductors, and composers who came out of it are too many to mention.
Marco Veranda In my message to you that in 2008, Kissin was in the second - the improving period, although he was almost at the end of it. If he were to record the 3rd, 4th, and 5th piano concerti today they would be superior to these performances. BTW I really think that you should listen to these concerti played by Krystian Zimerman. The conductor was Leonard Bernstein and the orchestra was the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, not to be confused with the superb Vienna Symphony Orchestra. The concerti were recorded in 1992. Zimerman is better now, but I think if you compare the two that you will be surprised at which one of them you prefer. As to factors affecting these performances, Bernstein in 1992 was superior to Davis who was over the hill when these recordings were made. However the London Symphony Orchestra was certainly better than the Vienna Philharmonic. In general, if a term in an orchestra's name is Philharmonic that usually implies that fine musicians from many other orchestras have been assembled. They don't have the time to really perform together as well as the London Symphony Orchestra which consists of the same people for years and thus is more cohesive, with such minor turnovers as when an instrumentalist retires or simply dies.
Marco Veranda I subscribed to you to see what you had and I see a great deal of Kissin, a fine performer indeed. If you do listen to Zimerman, it will be difficult for you to keep an open mind, but try it anyway. :) Exploration is always good.
There is so much emotions in Beethoven's music that it brings me to tears and the way this performer interpreted the style is just incredible. I am an American-Classical composer and if I had a tablespoon full of his talent, I'll be complete...
Estudiando el primero y segundo conciertos para piano en 1976 fue un gran cambio, un salto inmenso estudiar el 3o. sentí en lo más profundo de mi ser la "ruptura" de Beethoven con el clasicismo de Haidyn y Mozart.. desde aquel entonces una de mis obras favoritas! Maestro Kissin el interprete ideal para la obra Bravo Bravo Bravo!!!
Браво, Евгений Киссин! Лучшая интерпретация и блестящее исполнение! Великолепное звучание оркестра!
The final 3 minutes of the first movement are so hauntingly beautiful. This is Beethoven at his finest.
The largo is so utterly gorgeous. It is like the mind in a state of pleasant reminiscence. Also, at times you can hear the influence of Mozart. My favourite movement!
This is one of my favorite LVB pieces played superbly by Mr. Kissin.
Please listen to Wilhelm Kempff also ... (conductor Ferdinand Leitner from the 6othe)
thank you for sharing of this beautiful recording of Kissin and Collin Davis. I have the cd of all other this Beethoven concertos as well. These are a million dolar recording by this brilliant pianist and the outstanding performance by Sir Davis and orchestra. I never tire listening it is so inspiring to start my day.
Prestazione possente e affascinante.Un Kissin tecnicamente ai massimi livelli.
Ottima la registrazione .
Complimenti per il caricamento.
Потрясающе звучит оркестр!Вторая часть, чудо как хороша!
This cocerto is one of my favorite .and pianist is also
I wish I could see this concert live!!
Shockwave107 Well, it isn't a concert :))
I wish there were a video recoding of this performance!
15:44 miracle！
Even when listening how many times I am very moved by overwhelming expression power and technique!
Phenomenal performance!I can't stoping listening to the divinely beautiful Largo🎹💟🎹💟🎹💟Fantastic orchestration💞
The timpani at 16:35 is like the heartbeat of the entire first movement finally exposed. The falling piano line that responds is nearly heart-breaking....
Браво и оркестру и солисту!
Sempre grandissimo.
cuando vino a mexico tuve la oportunidad de saludarlo y le dije que era el mejor, ciertamente sigue siendo el numero 1
best performance ever heard
Wonderful! Великолепно! Спасибо!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💯🌹
Oh, second movement is so beautiful !!! Wish did not finished !!
The reason why things are beautiful is that they have an end; without end nothing would have value.
@@karlpoppins God is beauty, and he is without end. So, I would have to disagree. Although, I think I see what you are saying in a certain sense.
@@stephanjwilliams Well, I don't believe in the existence of a god of any kind so I cannot possible see what you see, beauty or otherwise.
Wonderful.
Lovely. Thank you.
Que increíble Cadenza, bravo.....👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
!!!! Beautiful ¡¡¡
Allegro con brio 0:00; N = 9:43; P = 10:57; S =16:35
Largo 17:35; A = 19:02; B = 20:11; C = 21:00; E = 24:47; F = 25:18
Allegro 28:15; B = 29:24; C = 29:52; D = 30:14; G= 31:22; I = 32:23; M = 33:59; O = 34:51; presto = 36:31; R = 37:08
Incredible
0:00 is a good place to start.
thanks for the shortcut to the interesting part
y hoy, 2020, en plena cuarentena, que deleite escucharlo nuevamente!!
Beethoven is in a league all by himself. No one touches him.
In my humble opinion, Kissin shows originality in his interpretation though there are artists who show show much more. His use of of rubato can be a bit much at times; overall his performance was exceptional, however as compared to his usual prowess I would rate this performance as subpar.
my favorite concerto
7:11 u can hear the flute clearly ,
akumanation I prefer romantic piano concertos, like Grieg's or Schumann's ones. I think it's very strange to prefer classicism...
I love all 6 of Beethoven concertos (with opus numbers), but I find the 4th better than the 3rd.
He gets oodles and oodles of really nice phrasing. Don't you think?
I enjoy the information about Kissim. Wish the silly comments hadn’t discouraged the knowledgeable people from telling us about Kissim. I know he married later in his life a tiny little girl who he had known as a child. Love seeing him holding her in his arms. So glad he is happy.
Восторг!
Best introduction of the piano after the orchestra introduction (1st mvnt) of all I've heard - it needs a lot of power to match the ending of the orchestra. After that, he is rushing it a bit here and there, but by little, so it is very good overall although not a top perormance.
If anybody cares, this was recorded in 2008.
Nobody cares...
Apparently the uploader did. He sent me a message thanking me and added the date to his information. I guess some people don't know enough to realize that Evgeny Kissin has had three distinct periods. Untrained child prodigy, partly trained ex-child prodigy, and after two years of intensive study ending in 2006, finished product. Purchases of CDs should be made by informed people although they are usually made by ignorant fools.
***** , I never heard of you too! You comment is useless (to say the least)
kinkokonko Since I have gotten 37 positive comments and two negative ones - although yours was the only one that stooped to vulgarity I guess you know where you stand.
+Gerry Rains Not currently son. And regardless it is a well shit comment that agitates and stops the general adoption of classical music.
The main point of music is pleasure in listening. It is not an academic subject.
Mozart was a rude man, Beethoven belligerent rogue, both abused, both Genius. The way you talk is they need to study on a blackboard for 40 years and you need this to enjoy their music also.
Basically I think you view on music is so shallow it beggars belief.
Sure enjoy the history but dont stamp on the main thing. The Music and the listener.
Do History or something. Maybe WW2 Stalinggrad and that.
Don't comment on art which has fk all to do with dates yada yada and more on emotion and feeling.
33:00 - 33:18 : my favorite part.
Yes indeed this is great music. Even if the other top 5 classical composers of all time had more talent...it was Beethoven who made the absolute best music. Like the bull in the china shop....he makes interesting things happen :) Btw....that is superb piano work by Mr Kiissin. My god that is great music.
" Even if the other top 5 classical composers of all time had more talent." Could you please name those 5? It's a tall order to be more talented than beethoven. I'm very curious.
evgeny Kis神
7:43 like mozart
Alot of it is a little like Mozart. Beethoven and Mozart lived at the same time, so it is very normally to find things between Mozart and Beethoven. I do it all the time
You mean Don Giovanni?
It's very, very difficult to turn this off.
Performer: Evgeny Kissin
Orchestra: London Symphony Orchestra
Conductor: Colin Davis
I. Allegro con brio 00:00
II. Largo 17:36
III. Rondò. Allegro 28:16
Do you people think Kissin is in the same league with Lang Lang ? Many don't think so. however, these concertos are absolutely divine
Jim Cha is this joke?, dont' even put bang bang infront of kissin
I actually believe Lang Lang plays the Beethoven's piano concertos much much better. more emotion more heart as Beethoven intended. Listen to his CD, you will see. but Kissin is close 2nd.
Jim Cha, believe me and Won Woo Choi! Between Kissing and Lang Lang there is the same difference that you can find between an olympic champion of ice-skating and an old lady falling on the ice of a sidewalk on a winter day! :) there is the difference between art and dilettantism! Hopefully keeping on listening (also in live concerts, that are more true) will make the difference clear to you! p.s. kissin is better live than in recordings!
Jim Cha
I don't think you should compare. Though Beethoven is not Kissin's choice as such.
Kissin is an artist. Lang Lang is what, honestly ? AKB48 ?
I would take it to the Chopin Etude's as example.
You wont see 10 1-4 played better by anyone than Kissin.
You will see 100 shit renditions of 25-1 by Lang Lang on all media forms.
You could also listen to one sublime Horowitz rendition of this Etude or indeed a Horowitz Scarllati sonata which blows Lang Lang away.
If Piano playing is a sport of rolling eyes and looking like a dick perhaps Lang Lang has achieved his goal.
Jim Cha Lang Lang is an excellent player, especially good on romantic pieces, I think. But don't just try to put Lang Lang on the same stand with Kissin. It's a kind of blasphemy. Kissin is already in the state of a maestro. But Lang Lang is far behind it. He could be a maestro someday if he focuses on the piano playing itself without doing extra commercial activities. Kissin knows only the piano, he practices long time everyday while Lang Lang spends his precious time enjoying his fame.
13:07 cadenza
Katya'dan Vanya'ya
Uğraşının bir sonucu olabilir mi yoksa akışın içindeyiz de ne yaparsak yapalım değiştiremeyiz mi?
17:00
This guy knows what's up!
Ztech 15:15
Gerry Rains I wouldn't commend anyone to Graffman's tutelage without at least one serious caveat. Earl Wild, with whom I studied for four years, worked with several former Graffman (and Fleisher) pupils, all of whom had developed hand problems that Wild attributed to their former teacher's own bad habits (incorrect hand positions, misuse of the fourth finger, harmful practice habits). He also claimed he was able to foresee early on that Fleisher and Graffman would eventually develop physiological problems with their hands.
Ja fez plano de leitura pra o semestre?
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Why, andrew, dont you use Adblock?
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Second thought - after listening to this listen to Zimerman's performance of the same piece with Bernstein conducting the Vienna PO. For the sake of interest compare the performances of Kissin versus Zimerman in Beethoven's 3rd, 4th, and 5th piano concerti.
Gerry Rains In my opinion, Zimerman nailed the 3rd one. His technique is flawless and is just clean to perfect. Kissin seems to have more emotion, but I still think Zimerman's is more easy to listen to. Kissin is an EXCELLENT Chopin pianist, but I've rarely heard him play Beethoven.
TisfatDude0703 there a recording of him doing tempest, it's very nice.
+TisfatDude0703 Well said, I prefer Zimerman's interpretation as well. It's less emotional, but the clarity, the dynamics and the phrasing complement this concerto in a truly magical way. I've never heard a better 3rd, I think.
My favorite is Gardiner/Levin & Hogwood/Lubin recordings... xD
Plano de leitura, de estudos, de trabalho
There is no performer (I include conductors and composers with musicians) who cannot benefit from continuing to take lesson throughout his or her career. As to YW being a student of Graffman, that is true, but if you look at the ratings in Amazon for Prokofiev's third piano concerto you will find that Graffman has been voted a five by every single rater. YW is above 4 but that's hardly the same thing. She is certainly improving, but more lessons from him before he dies would benefit any pianist performing today.
You use a superficial an specious argument to support your superficial and specious argument!
Every performer matures as they play-perform-ponder-listen. "Lessons" are a puerility accountable only to your own needs...
Amazon ratings are your template now for critical opinion? And 5 ratings vs. 4+ significant in any valid way critically?
You are still in need of help Gerry...
Why do you take simple observations that are different from yours personally? Why do you use defamatory terms? This is supposed to be, in essence, a forum in which people state their views. Yet you insist on trying to bully those who, quite simply, hear music and state their views about it. Statements like "you are still in need of help Gerry" show a juvenile desire to defame those who simply have views different from yours. It seems that you can't obey the rules set by Google, the owners of TH-cam, which state that defamatory statements aimed at others are strictly forbidden. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PERSONAL ATTACKS THAT YOU HAVE LAUNCHED AGAINST ME, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT I REFUSE TO GO DOWN IN THE GUTTER AND LAUNCH COUNTERATTACKS AGAINST YOU PERSONALLY. I simply have different musical tastes than yours. If you continue in this vein, then I will report you to Google as somebody who should be banned from making statements in YT for whatever length of time they feel appropriate. ***YOU ARE VIOLATING THE RULES OF THIS FORUM AND IF YOU CONTINUE I WILL DEFINITELY REPORT YOU TO THEM.
Gerry Rains Gerry-you are definitely suffering from OCD or paranoid schizophrenias...and your monomaniac opposition and critical bias toward Yuja Wang is just one silly manifestation of such....
Your rather inept and musically superficial and obvious opinions and stream of consciousness ranting (like this fevered post) are fine with me for you to do-your musically foolish and critically attacking bias's are, on the other hand, fair game for countering and my critical attack-and since you seem to lack any real reasoning time after time in posting them-my opinion on your mental competency too.
LOL-report me if you wish; I have done NOTHING to "VIOLATE" rules here-I have simply firmly opposed your seemingly unrelenting and mentally unbalanced troll's of this fine young pianist YW....
As I have stated before, best you stick to enjoying the music and stop the trolls; or put another way-if you can't take the heat-stay out of the kitchen...;-)
12:11
Bom dia tudo bem?
😚☕🍩
EX...TRA...OR...DI...NA...RIO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Es verad lo que dice Gerry Rains. Kissin tuvo tres periódos. Este es el ultimo, aquí esta mas reflexivo. Como si masticara las notas, Sigue siendo buenísimo pero creo que mas serio y estudioso.-
Especially in the 3rd movement, first 90 seconds or so, Kissin "does" what Kissin is typical of doing - he uses his pianistic skills to view the music as he sees fit. A little Beethoven (precious little at that) some later Mozart, some hint of Liszt etc. I find his "thematic" wandering often musically fatiguing. Accurate keyboarding, but untrackable lack of faith to The Immortal Beloved. The Londoners give their usual polished ensemble.
Bloodgras,
You're right to some degree. Fools don't care. Those who are familiar with the three distinct periods of Kissin's performance level do care.
Thank you for adding the information, Gerry Rains ! It is for sure important! For sure I'll update the video infos!
I have never really thought about Kissin's performance periods... Is it a division based on his age?
Marco Veranda Yes and no. He was a child prodigy, and in the late 1980s and early to mid 1990s he stopped taking lessons and recorded a great deal at a level that he has long since surpassed. Fortunately for him he was Russian and on the advise of other Russian pianists he started to take lessons from them and he went through a period when he progressed rapidly. That was hardly amazing since he is incredibly gifted. That was his second period. By the time that period had ended he had reached a level, which while not at the Hofmann - Richter level made him one of the premier pianists in the world (Hofmann, Richter, Gieseking, Moiseiwitsch, Rachmaninoff, Horowitz, Sofronitsky, et al being dead). I believe that he could become even better although I'm not sure that there are many teaching pianists left alive who could help him. Certainly Gary Graffman might help him a bit.
Tragically, Graffman sprained a finger on his right hand but, instead of patiently waiting for it to heal, he kept on playing while attempting to compensate for that sprain. As a result he did irreperable damage to his right arm. Since then seven concerti for the left hand have been written for him and there were other concerti for the left hand written previously, so he can still perform those pieces. However, if you listen to the posts on TH-cam of Graffman playing the first and third piano concerti of Prokofiev you can hear greatness personified. I own that CD, having purchased it from Amazon where every single rating is a five. Ignore the fans of Yuja Wang whose Amazon ratings of the third concerto range from three to five. In all fairness to her it is a terribly difficult piece to play and I'm sure that she will improve with the passage of time.
So the three periods of Kissin can be defined by time but they really are the periods of lower plateau, improvement, higher plateau.
Sadly the once great Moscow Conservatory has been politicized by Putin and it is now but a shadow of its former self. The great instrumentalists, conductors, and composers who came out of it are too many to mention.
Marco Veranda In my message to you that in 2008, Kissin was in the second - the improving period, although he was almost at the end of it. If he were to record the 3rd, 4th, and 5th piano concerti today they would be superior to these performances.
BTW I really think that you should listen to these concerti played by Krystian Zimerman. The conductor was Leonard Bernstein and the orchestra was the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, not to be confused with the superb Vienna Symphony Orchestra. The concerti were recorded in 1992. Zimerman is better now, but I think if you compare the two that you will be surprised at which one of them you prefer. As to factors affecting these performances, Bernstein in 1992 was superior to Davis who was over the hill when these recordings were made. However the London Symphony Orchestra was certainly better than the Vienna Philharmonic. In general, if a term in an orchestra's name is Philharmonic that usually implies that fine musicians from many other orchestras have been assembled. They don't have the time to really perform together as well as the London Symphony Orchestra which consists of the same people for years and thus is more cohesive, with such minor turnovers as when an instrumentalist retires or simply dies.
Marco Veranda I subscribed to you to see what you had and I see a great deal of Kissin, a fine performer indeed. If you do listen to Zimerman, it will be difficult for you to keep an open mind, but try it anyway. :) Exploration is always good.
is Kissin jewish ?
+Jim Cha Yes
Yes, why?
the end of the cadenza is played too slowly imo.
Kissin it's number 1
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