Victorinox keeping their Propriety with high quality steel, great video. As former USN Salvage Diver currently Maritime/Construction team mbr appreciate your knot videos and tool videos. I collect multitools throughout the years most issued by USN which were Gerber M600 Variations, Ben the reason why Mil Spec Ops uses the ST300 platform is the concealment of Implements, and the Cleaning ease inside the tool with all Implements open. The Surge/Wave has so many nooks and crannies that its an entrapment for dirt , mud, salt, C-4 at the airport etc for the Spec Operator, and we all have Dedicated Folders/Fixed Blades the Blade on a Multi tool is almost irrelevent, so are scissors, the ST 300 is the most practical stand alone tool. Thanks again for the content.
"He did it! The crazy SOB did it!" And he opens with a flex: "My wife used to carry a Wave, now she carries a Surge". My wife cant remember her credit cards or membership cards, but your wife carries a 2 pound multitool. 👍
I don't know if anyone has said this but, I think if you were to use some type of lubrication like wd-40 while drilling that hole, it would cut a lot easier.
A great way to drill through super hard steel is with a carbide masonry drill sharpened nicely and it’s something most of us have a box full of already. You can even drill through a snapped off tap or extractor ideally use a pillar drill and oil
Finally!!!! I like experiments. Imagine Victorinox and Leatherman collaborate to make a tool. Wonderful reviews as always I want to recommend to make a totally new super surge to with the box/wire cutter tool, and maybe one more tool, depending on your needs. I'd go for the philips of a super tool 300 in addition to the bit kit... Like exploring various tools and incorporating. Maybe some day in the future I'll do this experiment.
why didn't you take the temper out of the scissors on the end you needed to drill first with a torch instead of trying to drill them when they were already hardened?
Impressive! I assumed you'd be cutting the pivot section of the blade, and then cutting the scissors at the shank and welding them onto the blade pivot. But it all worked out in the end!
That Victorinox steel was a lot harder than I expected. I guess even “soft” knife steel is harder than what we typically drill through. And nice mod! Good scissors are a must on any multitool. That’s at least ONE thing they got right on the P4.
For all the people with a wave. Do your scissors have some play between the blades when it's in the stored to just before the cutting engaged ready to cut position? They tighten up when thy are in the open position. I have two like this.
Leatherman Wave Scissors are not too good. But are ANY multi-tool scissors good? I am thinking of just carrying some scissors, as scissors are not too big! Nice kitchen type scissors with a sheath for the end. IMHO
I am not sure why people always think that Vic steel is soft. Maybe they underestimate Rockwell score, but I always had real confidence in my Victorinox tools, they last long, and they keep sharpness better than most knives with higher number on Rockwell.
Many people underestimate the steel in victorinox. Compared to modern stuff yes the blade has a lot less retention but its also very easy to sharpen scary razor sharp. Same with leathermans steel, but that one is prone to rust and not as fine.
If i recall properly victorinox had the sandvik steel company do their metallurgy at one point so if anyone knocks victorinox steel but likes any sandvik steels they really can't complain cause even 12c27n is a solid user steel and even 14c28n is a great steel when heat treated and cost effective.
Stainless steel also work harden. As you drill and the heat increases, you harden the steel further. Ideally you want a drill press. Run at a slow speed but apply lots of pressure
How about making this wave a mini surge or a super wave, by adding a surge/bosch exchanger bit? And then seeing if the file will fit or not? And of course the saw and other saws
That's really not a problem since it is very easy to swap out any of the 4 outside tools. I hardly ever use the Saw Blade so that was my obvious choice to sacrifice.
Great modification and all (I would also prefer these scissors to the standard ones on my Wave), but why did you remove the regular knife blade?? On the other side there is a serrated blade, which I personally don't need for anything. :-D
I recently discovered your channel as a newbie to the Leatherman rabbit hole and have really enjoyed watching a lot of your videos. Thanks for sharing. However I have a question on this one - why swap put the wave scissors? I have the Wave and a coupe of Swiss army knives and to be honest, I actually prefer the Wave scissors. None the less you surely know your tools better than I do so I am sure there is a very solid and objective reason why you made this modification so could you tell me why the Swiss scissors are better? Thanks!
Hi, as I am thinking about getting a multitool, I just discovered your great channel. Do you think the quality of SwissTools is much better than the quality of leathermans? What do you think about the quality of the leathermans? As I live in Germany, I am not allowed to carry a tool with a blade that can be opened with one hand. Which multitool could you recommend? I am EDCing a Victorinox Small Tinker, a light and a pen so the multitool will probably not be an EDC-item, since there is no more space in my pockets :) In Germany, leatherman sells a two-handed Wave Plus. That could be a nice option, since it has tools that open from the outside. In comparison to the SwissTools, I like the leathermans exchangeable bits and wire cutters. What do you think wbout that? Kind regards, keep that great channel going! Jona
The key to drilling stainless is slow speed and lots of lubricant… preferably Anchorlube which is stainless specific. As stainless gets hotter it get harder and can eventually just become undrillable!
I think the file blade should be on the handle, open it up, hold one half as you would of the file were extended, place a finger on the other half. I guess you'd need to use stronger steel for the handles but you'd make space for another tool.
I would have just softened the tang with a torch, because I don't really think the hardness of the tang is really that important. Just remove the spring and hold it with the important end in a cup of water.
Hey, awesome video. I had a question that I was hoping you could help me with. I purchased a leatherman surge and all the inner tools do not lock solid. They all have play, the screwdriver has the worst of it. It just wiggles back and forth when locked. Is this normal or are all the tools supposed to lock solid? Thanks
No it is not. If the play is side to side, it can be tightened slightly to take up the movement. Still, I would get in touch with Leatherman to get it replaced.
Goodnight! You could make a modification to the Letherman Surge, remove the small scissors that comes with it, replace, modify, exchange for Raptor Letherman, it would be spectacular, congratulations on the video, sorry for the writing, I speak here from Brazil, I'm using Google translator, hugs from me friend
Nice job ben..I was wondering if you have or thought about getting a leatherman freestyle. I find it a good companion to larger mutitools for the times when I'm using my surge but need another set pliers at the same time to stop a nut from spinning etc..I like the small knipex but the freestyle and streamlight microstream usb fix nicely in my jeans watch pocket together and don't dig into me when I'm working in odd positions
You needed more pressure on your drill bit to get a proper bite in the metal. I would have used a drill press instead of your hand drill. Consult the machinery’s handbook for feeds and speeds
I 've try this mod years ago, but I miss something and the scissor where not located when open. So it wasn't working well and I returned to default setup...
I was going to say the same thing. Drill press with oil at a low rpm would have cut through. Wouldn't surprise me if he was not only cooking the tip, but hardening the metal of the scissors as he was trying to drill it on a high rpm setting with no lubricant.
This is cool. Indeed I like vix scissors a lot, but I couldn't find a spare one for my Wave and while looking why the Wingman scissors (that I have in spare) are so lame i found that they have too wide angle when they are opened. So when I grind the scissors blade the way to copy blade shape of the VIX scissors I found that they became QUITE better. It makes wingman scissors a lot more useful, i was surprsed. Just look for pic before and after: photos.app.goo.gl/U6v8wV8pvKCvseQW7
When drilling through stainless steel & hardened steel it's best to use a high speed drill & doing it with a drill press. Sometimes a good quality step-drill will work too. Your carbide hasps worked & so would a dremel with the carbide bits but you can lose your center if you're not careful. Once it's close you can try using a drill bit to ream out the hole to get it perfectly round.
Thanks for the inspiration, I used your experience and built upon it: th-cam.com/users/shorts080t2GCpnMs?feature=share One additional thing, the bottom part of each tool is not flat, it has an angle, this for better engaging of the lock. Try to grind th scissor with a similar angle. Besides you'll need am extra piece to make the scissor engage/disangage with one action and not two.
Fantastic mod! Love your videos but the ads make it nearly unwatchable. They have been getting more and more over the last 10 videos or so. 8 ads in this one video.
At least them scissors won't break off into to halfs like both of my leatherman multi tool ✂s did good old victorinox scissors✂ when the multi tool dies out you will still be able to use the scissors ✂💪 all jokes aside leatherman makes a great blade but there ✂🙉
or you know be simple and just carry a small sak that has those scissors and your set. theres no reason to JUST carry a leatherman and nothing to support it. leathermans dont replace toolboxes.
@@цитрамонП-з3х because Victor Knox multi-tools and Leatherman wave multi-tools are both unique tools and have unique functions in their own way. Both companies are awesome I like victorinox. My reasons ✌️
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Victorinox keeping their Propriety with high quality steel, great video. As former USN Salvage Diver currently Maritime/Construction team mbr appreciate your knot videos and tool videos. I collect multitools throughout the years most issued by USN which were Gerber M600 Variations, Ben the reason why Mil Spec Ops uses the ST300 platform is the concealment of Implements, and the Cleaning ease inside the tool with all Implements open. The Surge/Wave has so many nooks and crannies that its an entrapment for dirt , mud, salt, C-4 at the airport etc for the Spec Operator, and we all have Dedicated Folders/Fixed Blades the Blade on a Multi tool is almost irrelevent, so are scissors, the ST 300 is the most practical stand alone tool. Thanks again for the content.
"He did it! The crazy SOB did it!"
And he opens with a flex: "My wife used to carry a Wave, now she carries a Surge". My wife cant remember her credit cards or membership cards, but your wife carries a 2 pound multitool. 👍
Victorinox scisssors are beast. 💪💪
Surge scissor hold my beer lol
@@Rickky007 victorinox is still the better scissor ✂️
Come on, they are terrible. Wenger’s were much better, Gerber are better, Leatherman are better. PS I am mainly lefthanded.
@@AdriaanJABreukel I disagree. Leatherman scissors cannot cut cloth, wenger has the whole handle moving.
Nice to see this step by step, knew it was possible, but this is a nice confirmation
I don't know if anyone has said this but, I think if you were to use some type of lubrication like wd-40 while drilling that hole, it would cut a lot easier.
A great way to drill through super hard steel is with a carbide masonry drill sharpened nicely and it’s something most of us have a box full of already. You can even drill through a snapped off tap or extractor ideally use a pillar drill and oil
Finally!!!!
I like experiments. Imagine Victorinox and Leatherman collaborate to make a tool.
Wonderful reviews as always
I want to recommend to make a totally new super surge to with the box/wire cutter tool, and maybe one more tool, depending on your needs. I'd go for the philips of a super tool 300 in addition to the bit kit... Like exploring various tools and incorporating. Maybe some day in the future I'll do this experiment.
why didn't you take the temper out of the scissors on the end you needed to drill first with a torch instead of trying to drill them when they were already hardened?
Impressive!
I assumed you'd be cutting the pivot section of the blade, and then cutting the scissors at the shank and welding them onto the blade pivot. But it all worked out in the end!
Putting Wingman scissors is an easier mod, but Vic scissors are way better, so while more intricate of a mod, it is worth it.
Do the wingman scissors require modification or do they just drop in?
@@shaundad16 you have to enlarge pivot hole just a little bit. ( 2/10 of mm)
That Victorinox steel was a lot harder than I expected. I guess even “soft” knife steel is harder than what we typically drill through. And nice mod! Good scissors are a must on any multitool. That’s at least ONE thing they got right on the P4.
"Oh, shutup cat" the most real TH-cam statement ever.
Great job Leatherman quality with the bonus of victorinox scissors. Great video 👍
Thank you!
Leathernox wave good job Ben.
For all the people with a wave. Do your scissors have some play between the blades when it's in the stored to just before the cutting engaged ready to cut position? They tighten up when thy are in the open position. I have two like this.
Wow these are looking great. I think I might have tear down another pair scissor and try this out myself now.
Oooooh I'm tempted to try this on my Rebar...
The knife and lanyard loop can take a break.
You do it?
Very nice work. Also nice to get visible conformation of those bits as I was just looking at those sets last night.
If you now remove the original inner scissors, will there be enough room for an awl from rebar, st300 or surge?
Yes, an awl from the Rebar. I am doing this mod next month: Victorinox scissors (instead of the serrated blade) and Rebar awl.
Leatherman Wave Scissors are not too good. But are ANY multi-tool scissors good? I am thinking of just carrying some scissors, as scissors are not too big! Nice kitchen type scissors with a sheath for the end. IMHO
I am not sure why people always think that Vic steel is soft. Maybe they underestimate Rockwell score, but I always had real confidence in my Victorinox tools, they last long, and they keep sharpness better than most knives with higher number on Rockwell.
Many people underestimate the steel in victorinox. Compared to modern stuff yes the blade has a lot less retention but its also very easy to sharpen scary razor sharp. Same with leathermans steel, but that one is prone to rust and not as fine.
If i recall properly victorinox had the sandvik steel company do their metallurgy at one point so if anyone knocks victorinox steel but likes any sandvik steels they really can't complain cause even 12c27n is a solid user steel and even 14c28n is a great steel when heat treated and cost effective.
“Shut up cat!!!” 🤣🤣
@7:26
Anyone who has owned a cat knows exactly what that meant lol. It's a feeling.
Nice beefy scissors. Definitely an upgrade to the Wave.
7:25 The cat just wanted to say hi :c
Stainless steel also work harden. As you drill and the heat increases, you harden the steel further. Ideally you want a drill press. Run at a slow speed but apply lots of pressure
How about making this wave a mini surge or a super wave, by adding a surge/bosch exchanger bit? And then seeing if the file will fit or not? And of course the saw and other saws
Can this scissors be mod on leatherman signal??
I don't understand what convinced him to remove the plain blade over the saw.
That's really not a problem since it is very easy to swap out any of the 4 outside tools. I hardly ever use the Saw Blade so that was my obvious choice to sacrifice.
is it better then wingman scissors ?
When are we going to see an edc pocket dump?
Great modification and all (I would also prefer these scissors to the standard ones on my Wave), but why did you remove the regular knife blade?? On the other side there is a serrated blade, which I personally don't need for anything. :-D
You need to do a review of a drill press.
good job and the razor will be sacrificed forever?
I recently discovered your channel as a newbie to the Leatherman rabbit hole and have really enjoyed watching a lot of your videos. Thanks for sharing.
However I have a question on this one - why swap put the wave scissors? I have the Wave and a coupe of Swiss army knives and to be honest, I actually prefer the Wave scissors.
None the less you surely know your tools better than I do so I am sure there is a very solid and objective reason why you made this modification so could you tell me why the Swiss scissors are better? Thanks!
They're a lot bigger
You should review the utica cutlery multimaster multitool when you get a chance. USA made and a unique form factor.
Would it work on a Rebar?
Hi,
as I am thinking about getting a multitool, I just discovered your great channel.
Do you think the quality of SwissTools is much better than the quality of leathermans? What do you think about the quality of the leathermans?
As I live in Germany, I am not allowed to carry a tool with a blade that can be opened with one hand. Which multitool could you recommend? I am EDCing a Victorinox Small Tinker, a light and a pen so the multitool will probably not be an EDC-item, since there is no more space in my pockets :)
In Germany, leatherman sells a two-handed Wave Plus. That could be a nice option, since it has tools that open from the outside. In comparison to the SwissTools, I like the leathermans exchangeable bits and wire cutters.
What do you think wbout that?
Kind regards, keep that great channel going!
Jona
The key to drilling stainless is slow speed and lots of lubricant… preferably Anchorlube which is stainless specific. As stainless gets hotter it get harder and can eventually just become undrillable!
Anchorlube, I will try that. Thanks for the tip.
@@txtoolcrib it’s good stuff… sort of a green paste with the consistency of shampoo or something haha
Why not just get a carbide drill bit?
Gonna try it on my signal. Where i live is illegal to carry a blade so....
Anyone know where I can get a knife blade replacement for the first gen Wave?
Thanks for posting this, have a set of scissors and trying to decide between using them on my Wave+ or Charge XTi that’s pretty modded
I think the file blade should be on the handle, open it up, hold one half as you would of the file were extended, place a finger on the other half. I guess you'd need to use stronger steel for the handles but you'd make space for another tool.
Some cutting oil probably would have helped.
Great content! Best regards from Croatia!
Soooo does this mean I can swap blades out between my Surge and Charge TTI?! 420HC for a S30V?
Oh for sure. Easy swap.Though it is a shorter blade.
@@txtoolcrib do you know if the hole spacing is the same? Or do I need washers etc
I honestly can’t remember. I think they are the same, but I’ll have to break into them to know for sure.
@@txtoolcrib cool thanks. If you ever do open them again and remember this comment, hope you can let me know!! Subscribed btw, great channel man!!
I certainly will. Thank you very much for your subscription, I really appreciate it.
I was looking for a mod replacing sissors on Victorinox´s Spirit which I found to be subpar. Could not find it. Anyone?
I would have just softened the tang with a torch, because I don't really think the hardness of the tang is really that important.
Just remove the spring and hold it with the important end in a cup of water.
Softening the tang could create premature lock rock and potentially lock failure.
A hardened tang is super critical to maintain the lockup on a knife.
Good job
Great job!
I suggest that you replace the other scissors with a strap cutter/oxygen bottle wrench combination tool like the ones on OHT
Hey, awesome video. I had a question that I was hoping you could help me with. I purchased a leatherman surge and all the inner tools do not lock solid. They all have play, the screwdriver has the worst of it. It just wiggles back and forth when locked. Is this normal or are all the tools supposed to lock solid? Thanks
No it is not. If the play is side to side, it can be tightened slightly to take up the movement. Still, I would get in touch with Leatherman to get it replaced.
@@txtoolcrib thank you
Goodnight! You could make a modification to the Letherman Surge, remove the small scissors that comes with it, replace, modify, exchange for Raptor Letherman, it would be spectacular, congratulations on the video, sorry for the writing, I speak here from Brazil, I'm using Google translator, hugs from me friend
i think the surge scissors ✂ are as good 👍
So, now you have two scissors on this tool, correct?
Until I remove the inner ones for a Rebar awl. That’s next.
@@txtoolcrib don't forget to show us
Nice job ben..I was wondering if you have or thought about getting a leatherman freestyle. I find it a good companion to larger mutitools for the times when I'm using my surge but need another set pliers at the same time to stop a nut from spinning etc..I like the small knipex but the freestyle and streamlight microstream usb fix nicely in my jeans watch pocket together and don't dig into me when I'm working in odd positions
U need to also use cutting fluid when drilling through that hard shite.
You must have a steady hand. There’s no way I would attempt to attempt to modify my Wave.
Somewhat. I’m pretty decent with a torch.
Poor kitty was upset you were paying more attention to your scissors than him. 😿
Your drill was way too slow for hardened steel. And a cutting fluid would help as well.
Cutting fluid would have helped for sure, but drilling too slow? Last thing you want to do is drill any kind of steel fast.
You needed more pressure on your drill bit to get a proper bite in the metal. I would have used a drill press instead of your hand drill. Consult the machinery’s handbook for feeds and speeds
I’m not sure it would have mattered. I don’t have a press at home anyway. Probably should invest in one.
@@txtoolcrib Build one out of scrap metal and multitools. And show us the video of how you did it. 😉
@@txtoolcrib feeds absolutely matter, even with a small press. It’s like night and day and the quality of your chips will improve
Finding think in the history of cats has saying, "shut up cat!" ever worked. LOzl.
I 've try this mod years ago, but I miss something and the scissor where not located when open. So it wasn't working well and I returned to default setup...
You need a drill press and lube to get through that... slow rpm, and wd40.. you cooked the tip of that bit
I was going to say the same thing. Drill press with oil at a low rpm would have cut through. Wouldn't surprise me if he was not only cooking the tip, but hardening the metal of the scissors as he was trying to drill it on a high rpm setting with no lubricant.
next time try ceramic drill bit
I’ll keep that in mind.
carbide will cure what ails you :-} cool mod
This is cool. Indeed I like vix scissors a lot, but I couldn't find a spare one for my Wave and while looking why the Wingman scissors (that I have in spare) are so lame i found that they have too wide angle when they are opened. So when I grind the scissors blade the way to copy blade shape of the VIX scissors I found that they became QUITE better. It makes wingman scissors a lot more useful, i was surprsed.
Just look for pic before and after: photos.app.goo.gl/U6v8wV8pvKCvseQW7
Nicely done!
Followed your link very impressive
When the cat is being too loud. 7:25
interesting and informative video, But two words....pillar drill.
Add a Victorinox saw and your set!
I just bought my surge
Cool!
When drilling through stainless steel & hardened steel it's best to use a high speed drill & doing it with a drill press. Sometimes a good quality step-drill will work too. Your carbide hasps worked & so would a dremel with the carbide bits but you can lose your center if you're not careful. Once it's close you can try using a drill bit to ream out the hole to get it perfectly round.
Thanks for the inspiration, I used your experience and built upon it: th-cam.com/users/shorts080t2GCpnMs?feature=share
One additional thing, the bottom part of each tool is not flat, it has an angle, this for better engaging of the lock. Try to grind th scissor with a similar angle. Besides you'll need am extra piece to make the scissor engage/disangage with one action and not two.
Looks fantastic!
Fantastic mod! Love your videos but the ads make it nearly unwatchable. They have been getting more and more over the last 10 videos or so. 8 ads in this one video.
I’m sorry, that’s not me. That is TH-cam. I place ads at the start and the end, and one in the middle if it is over 10 minutes.
@@txtoolcrib TH-cam really exaggerates nowadays. I really miss the old TH-cam days. No ads. Just content. Keep up the good work Ben.
Toda raba
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At least them scissors won't break off into to halfs like both of my leatherman multi tool ✂s did good old victorinox scissors✂ when the multi tool dies out you will still be able to use the scissors ✂💪 all jokes aside leatherman makes a great blade but there ✂🙉
They could improve them for sure.
u need a multi tool just to open up your multi tool~
Sir amazing modification.
better off using a reamer, you being a tradesman would know that
I don’t own anything that small. We use 9/16” and 3/4”.
Yes I enjoy the video 👍 but no one gonna stand up for the cat when homies food bowl needs filling and he got yelled at?
Idk but I feel scissors belong in grandmas sewing kit ...not a multi tool
or you know be simple and just carry a small sak that has those scissors and your set. theres no reason to JUST carry a leatherman and nothing to support it. leathermans dont replace toolboxes.
Don't like this mod. ✌️
Why?((((((
@@цитрамонП-з3х because Victor Knox multi-tools and Leatherman wave multi-tools are both unique tools and have unique functions in their own way. Both companies are awesome I like victorinox. My reasons ✌️