I have Ancestors who came to New York from SW Germany during this first wave. They eventually floated down the river into what became Berks Co, PA. Among these were Dieffebaughs, and the Kobels.
There were palatines in NC coastal area... New bern was founded by them... A project of a swiss patrician... Im a futch that comes from this people... They married the daughter of an english explorer that helped founded the city... Lawson
My 3rd great grandfather is descendant of Palatinate German communities , of both ethnic German (Swabian & Baden) and converted Ashkenazic (Levantine/Southern Italian) descent. His father had Olive Brown skin in his 1800s family photo. Not a Jew, a *Brown German* .
I descend from Hendrick Klock Jr. who married Jacomine/Jacomyntje, who in many sources is stated to be Mohawk.The birth of their daughter (Magdalena my ancestor) is recorded, and Hendrick carefully provides for his beloved wife "Jacobany" in his will. I sense that this was a marriage of equals, and is an opportunity to challenge marital stereotypes. Magdalena married Johannes Bellinger. Johannes and two of his sons (Frederick born 1749 is my ancestor) died at Oriskany, leaving Magdalena and many other widows the sole support of young dependents. Several people from this family have taken DNA tests, and many of us show a trace of Indigenous American ethnicity. What interests me is that the two sons who died at Oriskany would have been 25% Mohawk. It seems they could have been related to some of the attackers, and this adds a different perspective to the tragedy of that battle. I greatly appreciated your presentation and the emphasis that the Revolution was a Civil War. Thank you.
Sir William Johnson, an Ireland-born Catholic convert to the C of E, did not promote Scotch-Irish settlement. He brought down Scottish Catholic highlanders who had settled in Quebec after serving loyally in the British army during the Seven Years War (French and Indian War to Americans). This group and their descendants formed the officer class of the Loyalist militia (King's Royal Rangers and Butler's Rangers) during the Revolution. They then settled in Eastern Ontario, on the Quebec border, where they became known as Glengary Scots.
I really enjoyed this presentation. I own what's left of great lot #2 of the Burnetsfield patent of 1725 west of Herkimer which was originally conveyed to Anna Veldelent. A Palatine post & beam farmhouse was built on the property by the Wohleben family somewhere between 1760-80 ( exact dates are unclear) Previous owner, Susan Snell Williams, did much research as she was a Palatine German descendent and was able to get the structure listed on the national & NYS registers for the Palatine construction method. Three brothers associated with the farmhouse fought at the battle of Oriskany under Gen Herkimer. From what I gather 2 were killed and the surviving brother, Abraham, survived being scalped in 1781. I erected an historic market about 10 yrs ago. The restoration was completed by Pat Wilder in the 1990's adding an addition making it into a saltbox I'm a living history reenactor and supporter of Fort Klock. It's an honor to own such an historic home..
I was raised in southwestern New Jersey. We didn't hear about the Pfäzer. The Germans in our area were Hessians. They were "sold" (so we were told) to the rebellious colonists, so that the Duke of Hessia could pay his debts for a past war. Most of those who survived the revolutionary war, settled down along the Delaware and the Hudson.
Something overlooked is how the Palatinate is actually considered the UNESCO recognized "cradle of medieval Ashkenazic Jewry in Europe ." And had the largest concentration of Ashkenazic people living in one area since the middle Ages until World War 2. Many Palatinate Germans were definitively non Jewish for generations, yet are biological descendants of converted Ashkenazic Jewry from the Medieval times. Not German Jews at all, simply *Olive Skinned Germans* .
I came here hoping to glean any information that I possibly could on the Palatines-especially the lives of Palatine women & families of the valley (besides just Oriskany). But very disappointed to hear, yet again, just another loyalist discourse-as if Brandt & Johnson were even Palatinates??? I did not grow up there but descend from Bellingers, Cross, Dockstaders, Dillenbachs, Dygerts, Eckers, Fox, Nestle, Snells/Schnells, Van Alstyne, Wagners, Adams, Clark, (etc…Etc…)…I would love to learn more about the women-like those who banded together & chased mr. Adams (a sheriff/tax collector?) away with brooms & sticks, learn more about about the life of Maria Catherina Kraft-Schnell, who lost so many sons & grandsons at Oriskany, Ana Eva Bellinger, whose husband survived; and all of their many stories, struggles, & friendships with the Natives/Oneidas, British, Dutch, French, etc…& share their many stories with my own grandchildren/their descendants -Yet, wherever I look, it seems as if most of the history focuses on the loyalists (especially on Brandt-Johnson & their friends & sympathizers) instead of on the Palatines themselves who lived/suffered & sacrificed so much there… 😔
Many if not most of the loyalists in the Mohawk Valley were Palatines, including my own loyalist ancestor who was also at Oriskany. His grandmother was a Bellinger. His wife's uncle was Conrad Weiser.
I was born and raised in the area and still live here. Most historians hit the big name people but dismiss the people who did the work. There is some small festivals and sites that cover the local people but not much.
Great presentation from Kathryn Weller! A true honor to be a part of bringing this to the public
I have Ancestors who came to New York from SW Germany during this first wave.
They eventually floated down the river into what became Berks Co, PA.
Among these were Dieffebaughs, and the Kobels.
Fabulous presentation
Thank you!
Thank you for an enlightening presentation.
Thank you for tuning in!
There were palatines in NC coastal area... New bern was founded by them... A project of a swiss patrician... Im a futch that comes from this people... They married the daughter of an english explorer that helped founded the city... Lawson
Very well done. I just recently released a video about the American Revolution in the Mohawk. Very interesting.
My 3rd great grandfather is descendant of Palatinate German communities , of both ethnic German (Swabian & Baden) and converted Ashkenazic (Levantine/Southern Italian) descent. His father had Olive Brown skin in his 1800s family photo. Not a Jew, a *Brown German* .
I descend from Hendrick Klock Jr. who married Jacomine/Jacomyntje, who in many sources is stated to be Mohawk.The birth of their daughter (Magdalena my ancestor) is recorded, and Hendrick carefully provides for his beloved wife "Jacobany" in his will. I sense that this was a marriage of equals, and is an opportunity to challenge marital stereotypes. Magdalena married Johannes Bellinger. Johannes and two of his sons (Frederick born 1749 is my ancestor) died at Oriskany, leaving Magdalena and many other widows the sole support of young dependents.
Several people from this family have taken DNA tests, and many of us show a trace of Indigenous American ethnicity. What interests me is that the two sons who died at Oriskany would have been 25% Mohawk. It seems they could have been related to some of the attackers, and this adds a different perspective to the tragedy of that battle.
I greatly appreciated your presentation and the emphasis that the Revolution was a Civil War. Thank you.
Appreciate you tuning in and sharing your family history as well!
Sir William Johnson, an Ireland-born Catholic convert to the C of E, did not promote Scotch-Irish settlement. He brought down Scottish Catholic highlanders who had settled in Quebec after serving loyally in the British army during the Seven Years War (French and Indian War to Americans). This group and their descendants formed the officer class of the Loyalist militia (King's Royal Rangers and Butler's Rangers) during the Revolution. They then settled in Eastern Ontario, on the Quebec border, where they became known as Glengary Scots.
I really enjoyed this presentation. I own what's left of great lot #2 of the Burnetsfield patent of 1725 west of Herkimer which was originally conveyed to Anna Veldelent. A Palatine post & beam farmhouse was built on the property by the Wohleben family somewhere between 1760-80 ( exact dates are unclear) Previous owner, Susan Snell Williams, did much research as she was a Palatine German descendent and was able to get the structure listed on the national & NYS registers for the Palatine construction method. Three brothers associated with the farmhouse fought at the battle of Oriskany under Gen Herkimer. From what I gather 2 were killed and the surviving brother, Abraham, survived being scalped in 1781. I erected an historic market about 10 yrs ago. The restoration was completed by Pat Wilder in the 1990's adding an addition making it into a saltbox I'm a living history reenactor and supporter of Fort Klock. It's an honor to own such an historic home..
Thank you for sharing this history!
I would like to make contact with Kathryn Weller if possible as I'm a descendent of the Palantine Refugees that came to England and into Ireland.
Please reach out to the NYS Museum in Albany, NY.
Many of my wife's people were Palatine Germans. She grew up in Fort Johnson.
I was raised in southwestern New Jersey. We didn't hear about the Pfäzer. The Germans in our area were Hessians. They were "sold" (so we were told) to the rebellious colonists, so that the Duke of Hessia could pay his debts for a past war. Most of those who survived the revolutionary war, settled down along the Delaware and the Hudson.
Something overlooked is how the Palatinate is actually considered the UNESCO recognized "cradle of medieval Ashkenazic Jewry in Europe ." And had the largest concentration of Ashkenazic people living in one area since the middle Ages until World War 2.
Many Palatinate Germans were definitively non Jewish for generations, yet are biological descendants of converted Ashkenazic Jewry from the Medieval times. Not German Jews at all, simply *Olive Skinned Germans* .
I came here hoping to glean any information that I possibly could on the Palatines-especially the lives of Palatine women & families of the valley (besides just Oriskany). But very disappointed to hear, yet again, just another loyalist discourse-as if Brandt & Johnson were even Palatinates??? I did not grow up there but descend from Bellingers, Cross, Dockstaders, Dillenbachs, Dygerts, Eckers, Fox, Nestle, Snells/Schnells, Van Alstyne, Wagners, Adams, Clark, (etc…Etc…)…I would love to learn more about the women-like those who banded together & chased mr. Adams (a sheriff/tax collector?) away with brooms & sticks, learn more about about the life of Maria Catherina Kraft-Schnell, who lost so many sons & grandsons at Oriskany, Ana Eva Bellinger, whose husband survived; and all of their many stories, struggles, & friendships with the Natives/Oneidas, British, Dutch, French, etc…& share their many stories with my own grandchildren/their descendants -Yet, wherever I look, it seems as if most of the history focuses on the loyalists (especially on Brandt-Johnson & their friends & sympathizers) instead of on the Palatines themselves who lived/suffered & sacrificed so much there… 😔
Many if not most of the loyalists in the Mohawk Valley were Palatines, including my own loyalist ancestor who was also at Oriskany. His grandmother was a Bellinger. His wife's uncle was Conrad Weiser.
I was born and raised in the area and still live here. Most historians hit the big name people but dismiss the people who did the work. There is some small festivals and sites that cover the local people but not much.