What were Morgoth's powers?
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- In this video, we look at the powers of Morgoth, the first Dark Lord, and we'll look at how his powers changed throughout the ages, starting from when he first entered Arda as Melkor to when he defeated at the end of the First Age as Morgoth.
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Melkor could also moonwalk backwards everywhere without looking behind him.
He's clearly too powerful to be left alive then.
and that up to sprinting speed,might i add...
In that case I am as powerful as Morgoth
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Tulkas's strength has nothing against Melkorwalk.
It's interesting to realize how much Melkor feared Tulkas. Where Tulkas would leap joyously into battle, smile on his face and laughter on his lips, Melkor used others and manipulated, rarely using his power outright. Fear was just such a strong part of who Melkor was, that the joy and strength of Tulkas always drove Melkor to flee and/or hide.
Legendary quote!
The only reason tulkas won was cuz Melkor litterly fought all the other valars at once
Tulkas had no fear of Morgoth, and that made Morgoth fear him.
At the time of the War of Powers Melkor was basically squandering with power pouring his very essence into Arda itself, it may even extend to the very fabric of the phsyical universe. This is while combating all the Maiar and Valar mostly by himself. So he wasn't even at his 100% when Tulkas finally came. The version of Morgoth who fought Fingolfin was a pathetic shell of his former self. Melkor is evil and all but he is confirmed to be the strongest and most beautiful being in the Tolkienverse just below God Himself. So it would be unwise to downplay him. This all makes his fall from grace a lot more regrettable. Because had this guy worked with the Valar instead of against them then then Arda would have become a paradise as it was originally intended to be. Imagine all of Arda being like that of Valinor. Perhaps even greater.
Also-myth-logic (mytho-logos) is different from Physical”
Morgoth in the beginning was just that kid nobody wanted to play with
The silmarilion be like:
Morgoth used Prolonged Temper Tantrum!
@Scibanana My mother slaps me and it shortens the duration, so, potential mom-slap debuff
. I have identified some powers he manifested in the Silmarillion:
1. Storm of Vengeance (?):
"Below them suddenly thunder rolled, lightnings leaped upward, and the mountains quaked. Fire and smoke belched forth from Thangorodrim, and flaming bolts were hurled far abroad, falling ruinous upon the lands"
2) Wish - reality warping: the Ainulindale
3) Shapeshifting - until he lost this ability;
4) Earthquake:
"The cry of Morgoth in that hour was the greatest and most dreadful that was ever heard in the northern world; the mountains shook, and the earth trembled, and rocks were riven asunder."
"Therefore Morgoth came, climbing slowly from his subterranean throne, and the rumour of his feet was like thunder underground."
5) Telepathy - Ósanwe-kenta
6) Control weather: the share of all his brother's powers (Manwë and Ulmo);
7) Dominate monster - dragons, orcs, trolls, etc
8) Storm of fire:
"the host of the Valar was driven back, for the coming of the dragons was with great thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire."
9) Stone shape - the rise of Misty Mountains and geological activity at the battle against the Valar for Arda;
10) Teleportation:
"They could go where they willed, that is could be present at once at any point in Eä where they desired to be"
“Far beneath the rained halls of Angband, in vaults to which the Valar in the haste of their assault had not descended, Balrogs lurked still, awaiting ever the return of their Lord; and now swiftly they arose, and passing over Hithlum they came to Lammoth as a tempest of fire.”
11) Foresight:
"Minds that have great knowledge of the past, the present, and the nature of Eä may predict with great accuracy, and the nearer the future the clearer (saving always the freedom of Eru). Much therefore of what is called "foresight" in careless speech is only the deduction of the wise; and if it be received, as warning or instruction, from the Valar, it may be only deduction of the wiser, though it may sometimes be "foresight" at second hand.” Ósanwe-kenta
12) Mass suggestion - the corruption of the Maiar (Balrogs, Sauron, etc), Elves in Valinor, men.
13) Plague - that killed Lalaith and the children of Edain
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Shrieking like a girl- "She (Ungoliant) enmeshed him (Morgoth) in a web of clinging thongs to strangle him. Then shrieking like a girl Morgoth sent forth a terrible cry that echoed in the mountains..."
He eventually had the power to just "will ruin" on people like Turin. In the unfinished tales, he talks to Hurin and brags about how his will alone focused on them will crush his children.
@@sayagarapan1686 Oddly, my copy doesn’t have that exact passage. You must have the updated version.
@@johnt.inscrutable1545 I have the amplified version 🙃
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“And thou Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not it’s uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. And he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.”
Eru is OP
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It makes you realise just how futile Morgoth's struggle was. No matter how much power he amassed or how hard he tried, he was only ever furthering Iluvatar's plan.
@@DarthGandalfYT Almost gives you some sympathy for Melkor. Eru made him that way, presumably deliberately. Was he acting of his own free will in attempting to defy Eru or was he deliberately cursed with an incurable frustration so that he could serve as an instrument in Eru's celestial prog rock song? A slave to the creator's will, yet the only one cursed to know it and resent it.
I think it is interesting when you truly fathom just how powerful Morgath was. I highly doubt any hobbits could rock climb a mount dooms if Morgath was live at the time.
Morgoth poured too much of his energy into middle earth and creating things like Dragons. Simliar to how Sauron poured too much energy into his ring.
I would say the curse on hurin is proof of morgoth's fall. A being who once could raise a mountain chain to hinder the riding of Orome now is 'reduced' to a long range curse rather than just striking them down.
That “long range curse” was farfarFAR more devious, evil, hurtful, and horrific than any “striking down” could ever do!
I, on the other hand, grow more powerful the more of your videos I watch.
so Morgoth's powers were like a battery , the more he used them and the bigger powers he used , gradually it made him weaker and weaker until one maiar could defeat him. this reminds me of villains who make a deal with a great evil to attain powers beyond they can imagine or wield so the more of the power they use, their bodies start decaying/age fast or simply break apart since the body cant bear it
Yeah this is similar to Emperor Palpatine, he wanted to obtain a new body as his excessive dark side usage made him decay very quickly.
It's not a battery, it's himself
He expends himself to such great lengths out of his hatred it seems
One of the great themes of Tolkien's writing is the notion that evil is destructive, including self-destructive. It's very rare that 'good' triumphs over evil by force of arms in Tolkien's stories; almost always, evil destroys itself while good endures. This is almost axiomatically true; evil is that which destroys, including itself eventually, while good is that which sustains, preserves, protects, builds up and improves, including itself. There are two fundamental asymmetries at play, the first being that destruction is always easier than creation; which is represented by how only Eru Illuvatar can create/grant true life, while anything can kill or destroy. The second being that although destruction is easier, creation is what endures over the long run. Melkor's attempts to destroy are largely successful--he destroys a great deal. But in the long run, his actions destroyed himself, while goodness just kept on creating and enduring. We also see this in the story of Feonor; he is the greatest and wisest of the Noldor when he creates the Silmarils, but his determination to destroy Morgoth in revenge for their theft is what makes him weak and ultimately destroys him, and dooms the greater part of his followers.
Morgoth's power was beyond vast at his height.
His original name, likely given to him by Eru, was Melkor, which meant "He who arises in might" which is a pretty awesome name. So yeah, powerful.
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This makes me think of how the idea of the Devil has changed, at one point he was created to destroy all matter of the universe, then destroy all that Earth has, then human life, then just corrupt Man.... This De-Evolution is well represented in early Tolkien writing and has been brought up in many other lore stories from multiple cultures, but bringing it to two different named beings that are so specific and diminished and destroyed almost gives me hope for our future. Man can overcome all this evil that we are faced with and push forward through hard times.
I literally laughed out loud when I read that Morgoth flattened mountains and filled in valleys, all just to be a dick. Hilarious.
So, Sauron learned the lesson of conservation and even regeneration of energy from the extensively wasteful conduct of Morgoth. With The Ring of Power, Sauron place a certain quantity of his power beyond his own reach to such a degree that The Ring acted as a sort of regulator. When he lost The Ring, because he could still draw power from Mordor's volcanic mountains, he understood that, in time, he would eventually regain his Ring of Power. What he didn't count on was that a form of sentient life had developed that could successfully resist the corrupting power of his Ring, and even carry it to its own destruction.
Sauron got punked by Hobbits.
Ashton Kutcherfoot.
It seems more to the point that evil is unnatural and not procreative. Morgoth and Sauron use up an extensive amount of their life force to produce anything
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Nope Frodo and Sam failed to destroy the One Ring. It was God who intervened. They did however put every single effort mortally possible to destroy the One Ring and that's what mattered. When mortal limitation kick then that's when God took over.
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 Well, actually, it was Gollum who destroyed The Ring. If he couldn't be The Ring's primary slave, no one else would be allowed the opportunity.
Always glad to see a video from you
Melkor's main and true power was the power of corruption.
He could alter everything, but could not create anything from scratch(like the other Valar could), nor could he erase any creation.
He also was the only one to know fear, which he bred onto the Middle Earth, into the hearts of Elves and Man, and somewhat Dwarves.
Yes, the Media is the most powerful entity on earth as it can control the minds of the masses. And that is basically what both Morgoth and Saurons main power was - the power of corruption and manipulation.
Melkor wanted to fashion a world to his own liking. Why didn't Eru just say, "Hey, here's another planet over here; it can be your sandbox"? Boom: Problem solved!
It was all part of Eru's plan. He who attempts to sow discord will only give birth to greater beauty unforeseen (paraphrasing).
Because Morgoth didn't want another planet, he wanted to change all of creation.
It would not have satisfied Morgoth. He did not want to be the only Vala of his own world, he wanted to be Eru, God himself, which was impossible.
@@user-cj9jk1pd4gEru the troll.
Morgoth is essentially the ego of Illuvatar. The largest portion of Illuvatar's mind and his biggest competing force of thought amongst all the offspring of his thoughts. Our egos seek to prioritise the individual over the whole, to remake things in their own image through envy and insecurity. Morgoth is the ultimate god of fear because he IS fear, is ruled and made manifest by his own fear - of insignificance, impotence, and the inability to love.
Wasnt morgoth created? How does Tolkien define 'God' in his story?
@@yobro6053 Illuvatar is the primal god if you like. Then his offspring are god. Then gandalf and all those people are Half-god/Angel.
Eru Illuvatar is basically Christian, Muslim, Jewish God the alpha and omega the Supreme one above all etc. Then he basically created lesser gods like the Greek, Egyptian pantheon called the Valar. The Valar just like our own mythology have their niches some are better than others at certain things. Morgoth or Melkor would be similar to Zeus/Lucifer as he was basically the strongest, smartest and wisest for a time of all the Valar. He wanted to create something by himself or create something put of nothing, but that power rest solely in the hands of Eru. This coupled with other things caused him a have a falling out and the rest is history. The Maiar are basically helpers/angels Eru created to serve the Valar. Sauron and Gandalf fall into this category.
@@connordutton674 Basicaly what i said but with more word lol.
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Excelent video once again, you have the best Tolkien content in YT, and by far.
Hope you keep touching upon those topics that are not so popular but still amazing and interesting, I like how you combine artwork with Tolkien writings and your interpretation of the text is always on point.
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So basically the Ainur all forcefully become avatars upon entering Ea.
MELKOR: No doo-woops can stand against the lyrical power of my rock!
TOM BOMBADILL: Be still, me chap! Your songs make me nap!
Didn't know he could take on the rest of the valar combined. That's insane power, holy crap
Your funny to me this guy. I didn’t even know who Morgath was three weeks ago. Ty for this it’s fascinating. I will certainly pour over the books with my wife and child when she is old enough but for now the commentary will have to stand alone. I believe it’s strong enough to carry the weight. Ty.
The whole "Sauron is more powerful then Morgoth" thing is stupid
At morgoth's weakest, when he had already corrupted Arda, sauron was able to build upon that. Morgoth had his own power. Sauron relied on the power morgoth had already expended
Sauron at the height of his powers was more powerful than morgoth.
Yes it is. Trying to claim that Sauron had power on par with any of the Valar is absurd. Sauron was probably more physically powerful than the diminished Morgoth was at the end of the first age, but that is it.
@@Jim-Tuner I thought thats what he was getting at though?
I would say he was definitely smarter then his master
Great video love your channel and ALL things Tolkien!! The more lore the better!!
Clever tactics my man, your a beast.
Could you ever do a video on the first generation of elves the 144 who awoke? What happened the 3 Fathers of the elf clans? Why didn't they travel with Erome to Valinor? Where were they? What happened to them?
Not a bad idea. It could fit into the Middle-earth Mysteries series. Thanks.
My own fan theory, at some point proven to be wrong, was that Melkor was the Vala of time and progress. That is why those things are seen as bad in Middle-Earth.
But I think I like it even more that Morgorth became the source of not just some evil, but all evil ever. His marring of Arda meant that he did not really lose the war.
In terms of morgoth's apparent ability to curse people, we see this a couple different times with Sauron as well, the ability to make a claim that somehow ends up coming true. I think this is just part of their nature (Ainur), and their understanding of the great music as a whole. I think they can see into pieces of the future but cannot always see the context. Much how Gandalf believes gollum has a part to play. This is why Sauron decreed he would drive the numenoreans into the sea. And he did, but he did not see that he would drown as well.
A lot of people I know have a tendency to think of morgoth as a wuss because he flees from Tulkas. But it makes perfect sense that he did, as Tulkas LOVES fighting. And it is made perfectly clear that he would be more than happy to spend eternity wrestling with morgoth, who had other goals in mind. He specifically asked for Eru's permission to go down and hit stuff😂 its why he came. And I think it's important to understand that overwhelming Force is not what Tolkien means when he says power
He is like a 3 5 cousin/brother that is in the age of destructing your block construction
Perhaps you can do a video on how Aragorn managed to take back so much of Gondor's lost territory. E.g. Umbar, Sea of Rhun etc. After all Gondor and Rohan's military had suffered heavy casualties and were exhausted by the end of the war of the ring, not exactly in a state that allows massive conquest especially since Aragorn also resettled Eriador and probably had to send massive amounts of soldiers up north to protect the new settlers from Orcs (Misty Mountains), Dunland, bandits or simply wild animals. The only feasible way I could see it happening was that Sauron's former vassals began to fight against each other and exhausted themselves allowing Aragorn to conquer them.
If I remember correctly after sauron’s death, orcs and trolls fled everywhere and they all died not long after by being hunted by all wherever they went. They could not form together but cowered and hid and without their master, they are nothing more than unintelligent beast.
@@stephenj2844 I was talking about his human vassals, after all he had at least hundreds of thousands if not millions of Easterlings and Haradrim serving him, yet Aragorn managed to wrestle vast swathes of land from them with a exhausted and depleted military
Aragorn had over 100 years to get all of that done. That's 4 generations.
@@bobjohnson1633 But you forget that Eomer was part of the conquest fighting at the sea of rhun meaning Aragorn was conquering that area at most thirty to forty years after the war of the ring
@@ryancarter1080 thirty years is no more time than between World Wars 1 and 2.
I wonder if the writers for the Elder Scrolls got the concept of the Aedra sacrificing their bodies to create Nirn was inspired by Morgoth pouring his essence into Arda.
Morgoth - Arda’s longest toddler temper tantrum.
Typical child born into privilege! Probably angry he didn't get the right colour of Saab convertible on his birthday.
Great video. I love the end when you compare yourself to morgoth, lol
In terms of morgoth's curse, I personally believe that the reason he can do things like this is because he is constantly exerting his will on the world around him, not just metaphorically, but physically too. This includes with words or even simple statements. This is why he can make a promise and it will come true seemingly as though by happenstance, it's how he exerts control on the world around him and it is a literal application of his willpower
Perhaps Morgoth Lost the Ability to Fully Regenerate once he Dispersed most of his Power
How morgoth looks like in his true form how tall is he and how he sounds how his true voice is why we never see him on screen
Yeah, adapting Morgoth is a daunting task. I think Rings of Power did it well by showing him briefly as a giant shadow.
In the Tolkien mythology, he would have no true form. His form would be considered beyond human understanding. The images, and depictions we see of the Valor, and its beings are simply personification that can be understood by humans.
Melkor created Discord..... Evil personified
Great video mate, How do you come up with all these great topics for your videos ?
I was literally wondering about that, because it was just baffling to me that a being only second to god who shaped the world could be wounded by mortal weapons by a mere elf, or in any way fear mortal armies that walked the valleys he sculpted from the rock. I wonder if it is the fate of all things in Tolkien's universe to just vanish, like the world itself gets dimmer and dimmer until it is just the nothing it once was. A very, pessimistic view I must say, but considering the nature of entropy, maybe not too dissimilar to our own universe in a larger scale.
The world of Tolkien loses indeed it's splendor with the passing of time, and the same do the beings of power and civilizations in it. BUT it all goes toward a final confrontation between good and evil, Melkor returned is defeated, and the world is remade, possibly without the discord that he brought to it. So it's not that pessimistic, in the end, it's more like a story of decay and rebirth
I have thought about the Population of Arnor, and I believe that a good estimation would be 2 million inhabitants at the height of their power, which I believe was during the years prior to the War of the Last Alliance and declined massively afterwards. What do you think about this estimation?
@Carlos Eduardo How many Dunedain and how many Middlemen? Of those how many were men and how many were women and children?
@@sayagarapan1686 yeah, two million seems like too much.
We need an animated fall of arnor series after war of the rohorrim, so many new locations like annuminas and lake evendil, Fornost, Amon sul in its prime.
A population of 2 million at the height of the Kingdom of Arnor sounds possible, given the large area and that in latter years it broke up into 3 separate, viable, kingdoms.
Using the percentages from medieval Europe, of that 2 million around 20%, so 400,000 would be male of an age to be called upon for military service, though only 20% of these, so about 80,000 would be a permanent military force. The remaining 320,000 would be levies that could be called upon at need, though would have second rate equipment with little training, and historically could only be called up for a limited amount of time each year, this would mean that, except for in a worst-case situation, only a portion of the levy would be called upon at any given time.
Where these might sound like large numbers, remember that they would be spread out over a large area, and for the most part it would be rare for any really large force (over 20,000) to be assembled together except in a national emergency.
In comparison, the population of England (not including Wales, Scotland or Ireland) during the Medieval period, varied from 1.7 million in 1086, up to 4.7 million in 1290, then dropped to 2 million by 1400, then slowly rose to 5.3 million by 1650.
@@sayagarapan1686 1/3 would be of numenorean stock, as the Dunedain are described as "from the beginning, far fewer than the Lesser Men" and yet they are described as numerous as well, and there is plenty of evidence to support that, so 1/3 seems plausible. And about the women and children, I would put as an Early Medieval model.
Tulkas “you can always get these hands”
Could you do a video on the types of orcs? I dont know how Urk and Orcs differ and what is a Urkiah?
Very interesting, thanks!
Do you think the other Valar have also kind of dissolved their power in Arda and other creations in time?
I imagine that if nothing else they would have much been more careful in doing so and can work with each other to limit significant losses of power.
They have been weakened. Definitely slower, but as mentioned before, Yavanna was incapable of remaking the trees without obtaining some of that energy back. It is mentioned in the story of the Dagor Dagorath that the powers of the world will grow weary with the world, and only the return of the trees could revive their "youth" and strength.
@@Rauruatreides But nowhere to "replenish" the energy except from Eru, right? Which means until Dagor Dagorath?
I wish they did a movie about the Valar
At certain form Morgoth decay is something we all need to do in life.
Morgoth put his power into a vulcano, now he has less power but has a vulcano that he can use.
At a certain point somebody that is very good at the STEAM field needs to chosse one of thosse leters and actualy produce things with it.
More morgoth pls
Can Valar take back their powers and strength from Allies or things they used it on? Can Morgoth regain his power if his simply rested?
I wonder how Morgoth lost his ability to assume a fair form. For Sauron, that took an extreme situation - the destruction of Númenor which ended up costing the life of his mortal form. Sauron's spirit survived and had sufficient power to reconstitute him physically, but at the cost of losing his shape-shifting ability. Sauron was able to reconstitute his body again after his death at the hands of Isildur. So was Morgoth killed as he wooed the newly-awakened men?
Eru straight up banished Morgoth from Arda I think.
@@lelandcarpenter8181 What you refer to is much later, when after his final defeat he is pushed through the Doors of Night. I'm talking about much earlier, as the video says at 7:00 "early in the First Age he takes a fair form and goes East and corrupts Men shortly after they have awoken - a huge victory. But he soon loses the ability to take a fair form shortly afterwards and gets stuck in the form of a Dark Lord"
"so melkor and and ungoliath went to destroy the 2 trees ..he took the form of a dark lord of utumno....IN THAT FORM HE FOREVER REMAINED....his majesty as one of the valar remained though turned into terror.
@Giorgio Chiara But it said COULD not, not "no longer wished to" - and given how Morgoth had often, as Sauron later would, assumed that form to deceive others and make his malice more effective, you'd think he'd want to keep that ability at least as an option
I might be misremembering, but didn't he lose that ability when he got burned from holding the silmarills?
My man Morgoth straight up "stay puffed marshmallowed" himself to stick it to the Ainur in the early years. He's so incredibly petty. Discordant AF even.
Tolkien had a wonderful intuitive sense for some real geological history. Primordial Earth = simple grace punctuated by unimaginable chaos and violence. I highly recommend reading The Silmarillion if you're studying geology. Good mythical backdrop.
nice
Raising mountains like making if you weremaking a wall.
His evil still taints the world through the Synagogue of Morgoth.
Makes me wonder this: If Sauron was more powerful in the 3A than Morgoth was in the 2A, is it possible that there were some Melkoric Cults in the East that would come into conflict with the Sauronic Cults over what they would see as blasphemous. We all know how envious Sauron was, I would imagine Morgoth was as well.
There's certainly room in the lore for conflict between Morgoth's successors in the early Second Age, but for power than "blasphemy". Sauron still presented himself as loyal to Morgoth until the Downfall of Numenor, so any "Sauronic Cults" would realistically be "Melkoric Cults" at that point.
@@DarthGandalfYT Ah okay. So basically he couldn't have been considered as treacherous or heretical because he was still loyal to Morgoth even after he was confined.
What if religious worship helps regenerate a Vala's power/strength? belief in a deity tends to have that sort of effect. Melkorism and the events of the New Shadow would explain Morgoth slowly regaining his strength in the void
@@ziephel-6780 A cool concept, but there's no evidence of that in Arda.
@@DarthGandalfYT Speculation then.
Do you think Morgoth hated himself because he did not create himself?
I feel like the next hmgame I make should use that slowly reducing power level as a mechanic. I mean it would be like playing some AIs trying to build a world to a seeds specs and you running amuck. Then as you collective power levels demise you play on a finer detail level of the world.
every time the boogeyman sleeps, under his bed he checks for morgoth
Damn morgoth!
I'm pretty sure I read in the History of Middle Earth Volume 4. that Morgoth had the ability to stretch rectums.
something i cant seem to get a handle on, is whether or not the lamps existed at all during the writing of the Lord of the rings? There’s so little about them, and they seem to fill the role of the trees would like to take
Interesting
Burn out Victim before it was modern xD
Plus Melkor had an awesome recipe for nachos. Mmmm nachos.
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I heard he was good at playing the recorder.
One thing we can all agree on is that morgoth was ultimately a coward...
its funny, I can’t really blame Melkor for initially going against Eru, all he wanted was more knowledge
Morgoth could take on the combined Valar...
Tulkas: Bet.
Let it be known that I too, like Mogoth, expended my power by subscribing to this channel. Since then, I have been witness to a volley of video upload notifications, of which I have further expended my power upon with each subsequent "like" and now? Now I'm forever greatly diminished for it. Was it of any worth? Unfathomably so~!
I heard he had a really cool party trick where he could drive a chick to depression and then she'd eat trees and turn into a spider. Pretty sick.
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Morgoth could put his power into other things and beings, it weakened him as he strengthened others and it seems that this was a power exclusive to him. Sauron could merely corrupt something, he couldn't imbue it with permanent power. The other Valar seem to lack this power.
Dude what the fuck are most of these comments rn? 😂
Morgoth expended his power similar to how Thanos did by using the Infinity Stones and then went into "retirement", old, weak and vulnerable.
Morgoth's Ring
Do you think Feanor and Finglofin would have taken Morgoth out? I think they would came very close. And in some kind of hypothetical scenario with Finarfin involved, the three brothers would have killed him i think.
I can't say for certain, but I would say no. Fingolfin managed to wound Morgoth many times, but I don't think any of them were overly serious. I think if Morgoth felt his life was truly in danger, he would either retreat or simply not answer the challenge in the first place.
No, the truth is the Noldor never had a chance from the start, and the other Valar knew this. If they all together could not beat Melkor, what could Elves do?(and even if they had, what would be left, probably far less then when they did go at the battle of all battle)
But the war from the Noldor onto Melkor is probably what made Melkor weak enough to ultimately be defeated, at the cost of Belerian and many lands around it.
@@DarthGandalfYT i think he would have to accept the challenge, becuase he would lose authority in front of his servants. Feanor could have crafted some very powerfull weapons and armor to help them in this battle. Even if they didnt win, i think they would put Morgoth to wheelchair 😂, maybe after this, Valar would have pity him 😂😂.
@@wojta610cz5 All the Noldor combined were unable to defeat Morgoth. Even Fëanor realized this as he lay dying.
I think Feanor and Fingolfin could possibly defeat Morgoth in combat (in his final stage, very "weakened") together, or at least get to a stale mate like Elendil and Gil-Galad had against Sauron.
But of course, Morgoth would never allow himself to be destroyed by the Noldor, he would beat them in any other unfair possible way.
It's interesting that their power never regenerates. It's like a battery
Trinston was here.
Kaiju Melkor.
so we eru was just sitting there watching this all happen ?
Yes, but it's all "part of the plan". He very rarely intervenes.
@@DarthGandalfYT plus in one version, he purposefully made Melkor corruptible so that those bad things would happen. For the purpose of making the story more interesting.
He even allowed Sauron to recover from physical non-existence after Numeno's destruction (if we accept that Eru is omnipotent).
The two trees could have been reborn but fanor would not relinquish the silmarils,
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Are you Aussie too mate?
Tulka's made Morgoth his bitch.
change
*what?*
Sauron was not greater but more efficient
So, how many videos do you think you have left in you before you are so weak as to be unable to make more? 😎😁
There is no "F" in "Morgoth"....
I have to see the devil take on his creator see who win I. Know dam he not strong than the Valor he should of been leader 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣🤣
Justice wasn't made to melkors weakness and they ended him as if Tolkien wanted to get rid of the character, the valar grew more powerful while melkor grew weaker and weaker and no true explaination was made for his weakness. The vala shaped the world and never grew weak, varda created the stars and yet she retain all her powers, aule created the dwarves, yavana the ents, yet melkor only corrupt the earth and life yet lost all of his might and power. Pls how come
If he is ainur how come he is trap is form has a dark lord and died as an incarnate
The explanation is given in the book "Morgoth's ring". Melkor was pouring his essence into the substance of the world to corrupt it and growing progressively weaker as he did it. The Valar going to war with him became progressively more difficult in that any war on him was a war against the substance of the world itself. That is why the battles against him at the end of the first age were so physically destructive to the land.
However, the other Valar were also weakened, just less so since they were more careful and intricate with their power compared to Morgoth's wild rampage. After all, Yavanna was diminished so that she could not make the two trees again, and it is stated that at the end of the world, the Valar become weary, which is the opportunity that Morgoth uses to get back into Arda and wage the Dagor Dagorath.
@@Rauruatreides Tolkien actually talked about that in one of the "history of middle earth" books edited by his son:
"The Valar 'fade' and become more impotent, precisely in proportion as the shape and constitution of things becomes more defined and settled. The longer the Past, the more nearly defined the Future, and the less room for important change (untrammelled action, on a physical plane, that is not destructive in purpose). The Past, once 'achieved', has become part of the 'Music in being'. Only Eru may or can alter the 'Music'. The last major effort, of this demiurgic kind, made by the Valar was the lifting up of the range of the Pelóri to a great height."
They do diminish, but in a different way than Morgoth.
One of the big contradictions in Tolkien's lore is that Melkor is on one hand the most powerful Vala but on the other he's scared of Tulkas.
It is not a contradiction.
There is no contradiction. They are powerful at different things.
Tulkas is strongest, Melkor was the most powerful.