To explain what happened at 44:55 Onslaught doubles the effects of ongoing cards, and Mystique copied his ongoing effect. This causes both Onslaught and Mystique to double each other's effect, which means each card is doubling ongoing effects *4 times*. Since there's two of those effects, that means *ongoing effects are being doubled 8 times*. As a result, Wong's effect is not 8 times stronger, but *doubled 8 times*. And so, all On Reveal effects will be activated 2^8 times, or *256 times*.
Can you explain why with Onslaught and Mystique each *multiplying by 4* we get a total multiplier of *8* for ongoing effects at the location and not 16? I never quite got that. Does it count Onslaught and Mystique separately and then adds them together instead of stacking the multipliers?
I have a feeling onslaught's ongoing effect is not doubled. Instead Mystique gets doubled once by onslaught. Wong gets doubled once by onslaught and twice by mystique (2 * 2 * 2 = 8). Hazmat then gets doubled by wong 8 times (2 ^ 8 = 256). The math checks out for both me and you, so I have no idea if onslaught is getting doubled by mystique or not.
Can you explain in what way onslaught effects overlap? In this video for example 2 onslaught effects overlapped for a multiplier of 2^7 somehow. How even could power of 2 be an odd number?
@@potest_nucis8012 it doesn't really overlap. Since it has onslaught and mystique copies onslaught's power, it basically just double everything. plus add wong into it so you double it even more. if you are still confused, here's a visual rep of the math equation: 2^2(2^2) = 256 with onslaught citadel: 2^2{(2^2)2^2} = 65536
@@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210 I guess he is going for O=Onslaught, M= Mystique, W = wong and C=citadel for reference everything has the same value which is 2 So Step by step first we have W^M with no Onslaught involved pretty easy Mystique just has copied onslaught abilitie. Then onslaughts reveals and we have the following W^O*W^(M^O) Because onslaught doubles everything, mystique abilite and wong's. So this is the same as: W^(O*M^O). Exponent Laws same base different exponents are multiplied. So replacing the letter by numbers we have: 2^(2*2^2) = 2^(2*4) = 2^8. Since this is all already resolve we can just elevate everything to the citadel value which is : (2^8)^C And this is finally: (2^8)^2. Exponent laws exponent of an exponent is multiplied. 2^(8*2) = 2^16 = 65.536
I was a huge fan of yours ever since the bilgewater season of LOR and that used to be my favorite mobile game. The fact that you are now creating content for my new favorite card game brings me so much joy. You are the man and I love your content. LOR AS A GAME ran out of steam BUT THE MOGWAI DID NOT.
32:56 call me crazy but that line literally gave me chills. It's clear how much he loves his fav cards and card games in general at the point that they became parts of his life and he doesn't wanna leave them. Well if it was just acting, what can I say he got me lol
After watching a couple of the recent streams and seeing that leader player be a piece of work, it’s soo good to see him get a little revenge against the card, even if it wasnt the same guy.
I stopped watching LoR vids a year ago just because of how empty the game feels and most of them take 45mins to an hour long. Been loving your streams on Twitch and loving the Snap for a change of phase for a while. Thanks Mog! ❤️
OK I'm pretty sure that these videos are a double-edged sword, because I'm starting to become convinced that just watching these videos is going to be more fun than actually playing the game, especially since I've just entered the feel-bad territory of early Pool 3. With Runeterra, I have a lot of fun comp-stomping AI opponents during down time at work with Mogwai's decks, but I can't do that with Snap (because there's no AI/practice mode and because I don't have any of the cool Pool 3 cards and can't just buy them like in every other game.) What a deck, and what a video. Great stuff as always, Mogwai.
I would love to try out some decks too but i am missing most of the pool 3 cards to do that. I guess i will keep watching mogwai vrazy stuff and playing my destroyer deck to reach 100 and then experimenting all the crazy stuff i can afford Ahahah ( got super Lucky to find destroyer )
I'm still learning the cards. Whenever you're speaking about a card during the deckteck you close out of the preview very quickly. It would be nice to have the card text visible while you discuss the card and it's implications in the deck for us newer players. ❤️
i read a rumor that in incoming pool 4, there is the card that can make your entire card cant be reduce it power. So if that true, this deck might be can be meta contender. *sorry for my bad english, not my first language btw
here's the explanation, there's no loop, things are only counted once, but exponential value can get crazy really fast onslaugh 1 -> mystic 2 .........\ / ..........wang 2 * 2^2=8 ........................l ......... Hazmat 2^8=256 the number represent the number of time their effect activate, -Onslaugh effect is activate once and will double once all following ongoing effect -Mystic effect is activate twice because of onslaught, so she will double twice all following ongoing effect -Wang effect is activate 8 times, because it's double by onslaugh once and double by mystic twice so 2 * 2^2=8 -Hazmat effect is activated 256 times, because it's double 8times by wang 2^8=256 and now for who are wondering how many time it would trigger on the onslaught citadel, it's going out of control ...............Citadel 1 ............/ \ onslaugh 2 -> Mystic 2 * 2^2 = 8.....Citadel 1 ............\ l / ..........Wang 2^2 * 2^8 * 2 = 2^11 = 2048 ....................................l ..............Hazmat 2^2048 = infinity actually the biggest factor of 2 i can calculate is 2^1023 = 8,988 e+307, so probably around 1,000 e+620 -same resoning except the citadel double onslaugh, mystic and wang an additional time
Once the cards have flipped on the final turn you can safely leave and keep your cubes (Other youtubers have done this) so you don't have to watch the entire animation of effects resolving but can keep the cubes you won.
32:30 It finally happened on 25/11/2022 , you got your Daredevil and I'm happy for you. (I know he got the card a bit earlier, but the youtube video showcasing the deck released yesterday)
This video is super The game not crashed in last match made me think that they expected some kind of crazy interaction betweeen Wong / Onslaught / mystique ahahah
Haw that 256? I dont get it explain me hov onslaught + mystic works? Doesent they x2 each other so it x4x4x2 =32? But it clearly beyond that. So How does this work? I am confused
Nice deck one thing I would change is to add Luke cage into the deck and maybe replace Klaw because you can stack another location with cards which pairs well with Luke cages low cost and can help give your deck plenty more options for plays with other cards
Wow, what a masterpiece that video was. Also, it would make absolute zero sense ('Cos Shang Chi is not a card), but imagine Black Panther multiplying himself 256 times.
@@davimanggala3452 a lot over billion, 4,631 e+77 to be exact, also in the non-sense category, same combo shown in the video but with the onslaught citadel, the effect would activate around 1,000 e+620(actually too big for my calculator) and even more non-sense would be black panther with onslught citadel and it would be, i can't even write it properly, but it would be around 2^1,000 e+620, which i might be wrong, but should be bigger than a googleplex
Dios mío ese último combo! xD 2^8(-1) si no estoy mal? Osea... Wow! No me dí cuenta de lo que estaba pasando hasta que entendí que mística doblaba a Onslaught y viceversa. Progresión geométrica, bitches
Just so everything is clear in the last match up O=Onslaught, M= Mystique, W = wong for reference everything has the same value which is 2 So Step by step first we have W^M with no Onslaught involved pretty easy Mystique just has copied onslaught abilitie. Then onslaughts reveals and we have the following W^O*W^(M^O) Because onslaught doubles everything, mystique abilite and wong's. So this is the same as: W^(O*M^O). Exponent Laws same base different exponents are multiplied. So replacing the letter by numbers we have: 2^(2*2^2) = 2^(2*4) = 2^8.
There is one thing that Colossus is susceptible to. And I found this out in A loss that just pissed me off. He CAN BE BOUNCED. I have no bounce cards, I found this out the hard via Luke Cage's Bar location. I tried laying down Colossus in the final turn and it would have put me up 5 to 2 at that location. It was also placed in A very bad position as the middle location. But yeah, I THOUGHT Colossians could get me the win there by sticking where nothing else seems to have any effect on him and he popped right back into my hand. So that's A little fair warning to new people. I've played at least 300 games in SNAP so far and that location has only popped up once, but it IS OUT THERE, and Colossus WILL BE BOUNCED so don't waste a turn thinking he is a viable solution to it.
Should definitely cut Colossus with Luke Cage. Having -2 power in return for protecting your WHOLE board from being debuffed by hazmat makes far better.
I love the snap content, and im all for mogwai playing different games, but has he stopped making LoR content? Why? And does he have any plans on going back at some point?
He talk on stream that he still really enjoying SNAP and kinda burnout with LOR meta since previous patch, even the latest patch can't get him to come back. This doesn't just happen to Mogwai, Grapplr on his community YT talk about this same topic burnout with LOR, Freshlobster still really active uploading SNAP too. I just wish the best for them.
He talk on stream that he still really enjoying SNAP and kinda burnout with LOR meta since previous patch, even the latest patch can't get him to come back. This doesn't just happen to Mogwai, Grapplr on his community YT talk about this same topic burnout with LOR, Freshlobster still really active uploading SNAP too. I just wish the best for them.
Fixed :]
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what did he fix?
@@makaramuss Link from Legend of Zelda
FINALLY I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO SINCE THAT STREAM!!!! LETS GOOO 256
Can I ask you a question? Why so much hatred for Leader?
To explain what happened at 44:55
Onslaught doubles the effects of ongoing cards, and Mystique copied his ongoing effect. This causes both Onslaught and Mystique to double each other's effect, which means each card is doubling ongoing effects *4 times*. Since there's two of those effects, that means *ongoing effects are being doubled 8 times*.
As a result, Wong's effect is not 8 times stronger, but *doubled 8 times*.
And so, all On Reveal effects will be activated 2^8 times, or *256 times*.
Can you explain why with Onslaught and Mystique each *multiplying by 4* we get a total multiplier of *8* for ongoing effects at the location and not 16? I never quite got that. Does it count Onslaught and Mystique separately and then adds them together instead of stacking the multipliers?
I have a feeling onslaught's ongoing effect is not doubled. Instead Mystique gets doubled once by onslaught. Wong gets doubled once by onslaught and twice by mystique (2 * 2 * 2 = 8). Hazmat then gets doubled by wong 8 times (2 ^ 8 = 256). The math checks out for both me and you, so I have no idea if onslaught is getting doubled by mystique or not.
Imagine this on KamarTaj.
So what you're saying is exponential scaling scale exponentially
8x8x4
The last game was actually one of the most glorious moments on this whole channel
The accidental hostage holding was funny af. for sure the opponent got a good chuckle out of it as well
This makes me miss watching Swim hold ppl hostage 😭
I was there for the Gambit and Hazmat shenanigans and I'm very happy that I got to witness is live. I hope that you get Daredevil soon!
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Thanks shermiee! Best editor ❤
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@@ciciosweep shes mogwais gf
Timestamps are amazing. But i like listening to the deck tech. Id prefer separating games by timestamps. Lovely snap content, very fun to watch
if the exodia lands on onslaught citadel, it will repeat 65536 times. so basically you're stuck in there for the whole day lol
Can you explain in what way onslaught effects overlap?
In this video for example 2 onslaught effects overlapped for a multiplier of 2^7 somehow. How even could power of 2 be an odd number?
@@potest_nucis8012 it doesn't really overlap. Since it has onslaught and mystique copies onslaught's power, it basically just double everything. plus add wong into it so you double it even more.
if you are still confused, here's a visual rep of the math equation:
2^2(2^2) = 256
with onslaught citadel:
2^2{(2^2)2^2} = 65536
@@cpsTV can you convert those 2 to card name
@@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210 6 Karmas on board
@@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210 I guess he is going for O=Onslaught, M= Mystique, W = wong and C=citadel for reference everything has the same value which is 2
So Step by step first we have W^M with no Onslaught involved pretty easy Mystique just has copied onslaught abilitie. Then onslaughts reveals and we have the following
W^O*W^(M^O) Because onslaught doubles everything, mystique abilite and wong's. So this is the same as:
W^(O*M^O). Exponent Laws same base different exponents are multiplied. So replacing the letter by numbers we have:
2^(2*2^2) = 2^(2*4) = 2^8. Since this is all already resolve we can just elevate everything to the citadel value which is :
(2^8)^C And this is finally:
(2^8)^2. Exponent laws exponent of an exponent is multiplied.
2^(8*2) = 2^16 = 65.536
I was a huge fan of yours ever since the bilgewater season of LOR and that used to be my favorite mobile game. The fact that you are now creating content for my new favorite card game brings me so much joy. You are the man and I love your content. LOR AS A GAME ran out of steam BUT THE MOGWAI DID NOT.
32:56 call me crazy but that line literally gave me chills. It's clear how much he loves his fav cards and card games in general at the point that they became parts of his life and he doesn't wanna leave them.
Well if it was just acting, what can I say he got me lol
After watching a couple of the recent streams and seeing that leader player be a piece of work, it’s soo good to see him get a little revenge against the card, even if it wasnt the same guy.
The YELP I let out when I realized you were about to do The Combo without knowing what was going to happen lmfao.
I stopped watching LoR vids a year ago just because of how empty the game feels and most of them take 45mins to an hour long. Been loving your streams on Twitch and loving the Snap for a change of phase for a while. Thanks Mog! ❤️
Man fucking loved the energy of this video, like you were having SO MUCH FUN with this deck
Look at this beautifully rendered video 😍 even though I watched the full video already. Imma watch it again in 1080p deliciousness
OK I'm pretty sure that these videos are a double-edged sword, because I'm starting to become convinced that just watching these videos is going to be more fun than actually playing the game, especially since I've just entered the feel-bad territory of early Pool 3. With Runeterra, I have a lot of fun comp-stomping AI opponents during down time at work with Mogwai's decks, but I can't do that with Snap (because there's no AI/practice mode and because I don't have any of the cool Pool 3 cards and can't just buy them like in every other game.)
What a deck, and what a video. Great stuff as always, Mogwai.
I would love to try out some decks too but i am missing most of the pool 3 cards to do that. I guess i will keep watching mogwai vrazy stuff and playing my destroyer deck to reach 100 and then experimenting all the crazy stuff i can afford Ahahah ( got super Lucky to find destroyer )
I mean, I watch more than I play ANY game honestly.. lol. Watching someone play, is like "playing" with a friend.
I'm still learning the cards. Whenever you're speaking about a card during the deckteck you close out of the preview very quickly. It would be nice to have the card text visible while you discuss the card and it's implications in the deck for us newer players. ❤️
Okay, the end in those 2 games with Gambit and the broken Hazmat dynamic actually was worth it! 🤣 Da fuq!!
The gambit annihilation 🤣🤣
"Nice board, bro. It would be a shame if something happened to it"
That was absolutely glorious.
now we wait for more Colossus cards to make this card viable even more
i read a rumor that in incoming pool 4, there is the card that can make your entire card cant be reduce it power. So if that true, this deck might be can be meta contender.
*sorry for my bad english, not my first language btw
Let’s go Mogwai. We love you getting sponsors and this great content
The last turn of the final game is the marvel snap equivalent of the mono shurima movie.
here's the explanation, there's no loop, things are only counted once, but exponential value can get crazy really fast
onslaugh 1 -> mystic 2
.........\ /
..........wang 2 * 2^2=8
........................l
......... Hazmat 2^8=256
the number represent the number of time their effect activate,
-Onslaugh effect is activate once and will double once all following ongoing effect
-Mystic effect is activate twice because of onslaught, so she will double twice all following ongoing effect
-Wang effect is activate 8 times, because it's double by onslaugh once and double by mystic twice so 2 * 2^2=8
-Hazmat effect is activated 256 times, because it's double 8times by wang 2^8=256
and now for who are wondering how many time it would trigger on the onslaught citadel, it's going out of control
...............Citadel 1
............/ \
onslaugh 2 -> Mystic 2 * 2^2 = 8.....Citadel 1
............\ l /
..........Wang 2^2 * 2^8 * 2 = 2^11 = 2048
....................................l
..............Hazmat 2^2048 = infinity
actually the biggest factor of 2 i can calculate is 2^1023 = 8,988 e+307, so probably around 1,000 e+620
-same resoning except the citadel double onslaugh, mystic and wang an additional time
This deck is crazy fun, the last few games were insane
That end was more than 100% worth it
Once the cards have flipped on the final turn you can safely leave and keep your cubes (Other youtubers have done this) so you don't have to watch the entire animation of effects resolving but can keep the cubes you won.
Scored Hela and Patriot today. Feels gooooood.
Gambit was on FIYAH.
So many cards, so few things to throw them at :P
I'm watching this video because I just got Hazmat. But holy shit, your last game was bonkers, Mogwai. Glorious!
32:30 It finally happened on 25/11/2022 , you got your Daredevil and I'm happy for you. (I know he got the card a bit earlier, but the youtube video showcasing the deck released yesterday)
This is probably the sponsor I've been most eager to watch ever. Rlly don't wanna skip it!!!
Well somehow managed to get through the first upload
That Hazmat movie was insane
I saw this live the first time I ever watched a snap stream lol it was nuts
wtf lol that ending was the greatest thing i have ever seen
Omg, I'm dying... That was SO GOOD! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀👻👌
This video is super
The game not crashed in last match made me think that they expected some kind of crazy interaction betweeen Wong / Onslaught / mystique ahahah
Mogwai, you are the best! Always... 😊👋🇧🇷💙💚💛❤
Haw that 256? I dont get it explain me hov onslaught + mystic works? Doesent they x2 each other so it x4x4x2 =32? But it clearly beyond that. So How does this work? I am confused
Loool, like my 10th pool 3 card was dare devil loving him
Nice deck one thing I would change is to add Luke cage into the deck and maybe replace Klaw because you can stack another location with cards which pairs well with Luke cages low cost and can help give your deck plenty more options for plays with other cards
Hey ! This deck looks great. Could you do a new version with Luke Cage PLZ ?
This was sooo funny and I was sad at the beginning of the night. Thank you. Saludos desde Brasil.
I'm just a bit into pool 3 and I just got Daredevil, I immediately went to go use him because he's so good
Instant 1080p! Ty for the reupload mogwai
Wow, what a masterpiece that video was.
Also, it would make absolute zero sense ('Cos Shang Chi is not a card), but imagine Black Panther multiplying himself 256 times.
There's a streamer already try the Black Panther with same card combination. It breaks the game because the number goes up to over billion.
@@davimanggala3452 a lot over billion, 4,631 e+77 to be exact, also in the non-sense category, same combo shown in the video but with the onslaught citadel, the effect would activate around 1,000 e+620(actually too big for my calculator) and even more non-sense would be black panther with onslught citadel and it would be, i can't even write it properly, but it would be around 2^1,000 e+620, which i might be wrong, but should be bigger than a googleplex
You do it right. Snap shouldnt be just wining matches on youtube. We are here to learn :)
That last match tho. P R E A C H !
Dios mío ese último combo! xD 2^8(-1) si no estoy mal? Osea... Wow! No me dí cuenta de lo que estaba pasando hasta que entendí que mística doblaba a Onslaught y viceversa. Progresión geométrica, bitches
Just so everything is clear in the last match up
O=Onslaught, M= Mystique, W = wong for reference everything has the same value which is 2
So Step by step first we have W^M with no Onslaught involved pretty easy Mystique just has copied onslaught abilitie. Then onslaughts reveals and we have the following
W^O*W^(M^O) Because onslaught doubles everything, mystique abilite and wong's. So this is the same as:
W^(O*M^O). Exponent Laws same base different exponents are multiplied. So replacing the letter by numbers we have:
2^(2*2^2) = 2^(2*4) = 2^8.
Funny interaction. If this combination is also being played on Citadel we have (2^8)^2 which is 2^16 = 65.536
this video whas my favorite so far OMG I coudn't stop laughing at the end
Yep, that was amazing
"3 mana -257, a little bit understated" 🤣🤣
For a second i read the thumbnail Khamzat 😂
Mogwai time-stamping the sponsored Ad proves he's a Giga Chad
There is one thing that Colossus is susceptible to. And I found this out in A loss that just pissed me off. He CAN BE BOUNCED. I have no bounce cards, I found this out the hard via Luke Cage's Bar location. I tried laying down Colossus in the final turn and it would have put me up 5 to 2 at that location. It was also placed in A very bad position as the middle location. But yeah, I THOUGHT Colossians could get me the win there by sticking where nothing else seems to have any effect on him and he popped right back into my hand. So that's A little fair warning to new people. I've played at least 300 games in SNAP so far and that location has only popped up once, but it IS OUT THERE, and Colossus WILL BE BOUNCED so don't waste a turn thinking he is a viable solution to it.
Was waiting eagerly in my sub box for the reupload 🎉
What happens to colossus when galactis destroys all locations, does he just not go along with the location or does he go since it destroys locations
I want to see that you playing a solid Daredevil deck. Waiting for it :D
I cant wait to play this deck!
dont get me wrong mogwai , i really love your marvel snap video .
but wil you ever do Lor video ever again ? i miss them .
That deck is rly cool !!!
Awesomeeeee
The moment when you realized the title was not a clickbait
44:40 "Here comes the nuke!" It's more like a supernova after that obliteration...
Chad colossus indeed
Take 2 Action 🎬
Should definitely cut Colossus with Luke Cage. Having -2 power in return for protecting your WHOLE board from being debuffed by hazmat makes far better.
Ironheart is also a card you can run here btw. Its actually a lot more reliable than Hazmat here for wins but not nearly as fun
But you can get Shang chi'd with iron heart
Jeezus! Mogwai! You broke the game! That's THE craziest deck combo I've ever seen you played for years!🤣
YOU.ARE.A.GENIOUS!
Another card that would work with hazmat would be luke cage so your cards won’t get effect by hazmat
Yay! the video is back
And colossus just bathing in the nuclear fallout
This was the greates moment in card games i ever seen.. xD
Can you play elestrals too? I think it looks really nice! Have a nice day moggy
What was he going to say about leaving LOR. He never finished his thought
MegaMogwai: Spider-Man is my favorite card.
Wong in all his decks: Do I mean nothing to you..? 😒
Why did spectrum cost go down at 32:09
This deck is amazing
It's acc madness you're still friends with Adrive after all this time. Good old days when you guys faced off in GBA and WBE
Ayy, waited for that toxic reupload
This deck should be put in Geneva Convention
I love the snap content, and im all for mogwai playing different games, but has he stopped making LoR content? Why? And does he have any plans on going back at some point?
He talk on stream that he still really enjoying SNAP and kinda burnout with LOR meta since previous patch, even the latest patch can't get him to come back.
This doesn't just happen to Mogwai, Grapplr on his community YT talk about this same topic burnout with LOR, Freshlobster still really active uploading SNAP too. I just wish the best for them.
I can hear it now! JOY!
37:25 Draw! Monster cardo! Attack!
Amazing
Mog you are the real MVP don’t ever let twitch chat get you down bro much love.
Love this!
Insane
The most glorious shit this game has ever seen.
Why playin Hazmat without Luke Cage?
Two months later, im able to play this.
is there someone who could list the cards Limunada used in their deck? Minute 20:00
37:25 DOROH! MONUSTAH CADOH!
I need to get Gambit tho I want him as a avatar too that would be sick
Does anybody knows if he will update LoR videos ever again?
Or did he just quit that game?
He talk on stream that he still really enjoying SNAP and kinda burnout with LOR meta since previous patch, even the latest patch can't get him to come back.
This doesn't just happen to Mogwai, Grapplr on his community YT talk about this same topic burnout with LOR, Freshlobster still really active uploading SNAP too. I just wish the best for them.
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