Pond Power: Part 2
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This project is a good illustration of preparedness. I am not wasting any water. I am storing it to use when I need it. The same amount of water would be flowing out of my pond no matter what I did to it. I just choose to store up a bunch and then run it through the turbine.
what if you could pump the water back in to the pond and have a double energy in put then you could shut off the second one so you can just take water out of the pond? have you ever thought of that?
Rodrick Karrerod I was thinking along the same way. How about possibly redirecting at least some of the water (50-75%) back into the pond and that way you could sustain longer than what you are doing now. With that kind of flow you should be able to direct some of the water back with other pipes and not lose as much, with that kind of pressure. Wouldn't it extend your amount of water as well?? Just thoughts. I'm not an engineer but I was just thinking of this while watching your videos. I have enjoyed them, by the way.
Because gravity is what allows the system to work. You can't pump all the water back up into the pond without using the power you are creating. A ram pump with enough compression to pump that much water would back up the system - causing the water flow to slow down and hence, the power output to be greatly reduced. The best you could do would be a free-flowing ram pump down stream a bit and back into the pond, but that would yield probably less than 10% probably far less. I guess it might be worth giving it a shot if they want to just see what happens, but I wouldn't mess with it personally. Physics is a bitch. :)
OptimusPryhme In terms of overall preparedness though, having that extra ramp pump recovering some of the water loss would be worth it's weight in gold. You'd be talking about recovering water for creating power, or for purifying and drinking, etc. I should think that a 10% recovery on a pond that size would be fantastic.
J.J. MacBocephus Hey, if you want to run the experiment and find out just what the return on materials investment is then more power to you. Like I said - if you or they want to see what happens great. Me personally, I'll watch and learn from someone else's experience on that one first. :)
This is the first video of yours I've seen and am inspired to watch more.
Great use of an existing resource, that pond is like a big battery!
Very nice Scott. I would really like something like this on our farm when we get settled here in Chile.
WONDERFUL practical work. Thanks! and congratulations.
You get to have so much fun doing what you do! Wish I had a pond :)
Agreed! We dug the pond in 98 and have enjoyed it ever since.
Great project Engineer775!
Keep in mind that;
1- the lower you set up your turbine, in relationship to the water level at the pond, the higher the pressure you'll get.
2- bubbles in the water (turbulent flow = less efficient) no bubbles "and if possible smooth curves in the pipe" = linear flow / most efficient.
3= for lightning, LED's will use the least watts
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Marcelo Gouveia , I do believe it was just for testing to see the amount of watts it would able to put out .& also any & all input that's Good will be considered . I think ? I do like it very Nice start on it over all . I do wish him best of luck . I wish I had water on my property cuz so many different things are possible .Cheers
You could design the pipe to work when it floods by attaching a float to the lift arm
Just a idea, How about make a lever that will drop the pipe based on the level of the pond, like a toilet bowl but as the level in the pond drops to a set level it raises the pipe out of the water, and when the level of the pond hits a high point it drops down into the water, I would think a big block of foam and a pivit point would be all that it takes to run by it's self.
It's called a float valve. What is it with wards and spells these days. liber lexi logo
If you could pump the water back up and create more energy than it would consume, every single power company in the world would do that on a massive scale. But pumping water uphill will use a lot more energy than it would eventially produce. Basic laws of physics.
people upset about it could make their own dump back into the pond
I'm a new subscriber, I think that is an awesome experiment. I have a question. I noticed that you have fish in the pond and you also stressed many times that you didn't want to drain your pond completely. So I'm wondering if you set up somewhere around your pond to where the water can flow back into the pond while you have it on to alleviate your having to store the water. Just wondering if it is possible?
i respect you and these things love to have you do this for me
Awesome as usual. It would be real cool if you could build a water wheel to try to circulate the water back into the pond. Or maybe a ram pump?
I think if you have the turbine and the motor on the suction side of that Y fitting, you will use less water but with higher vacuum readings because the sealing will be complete on the Y connection.
Any trouble with vortexes on the inlet? I've seen a guy hook a tennis ball to the inlet pipe, it floats and makes prevents any vortex from letting air be sucked in.
What is the ponds natural inflow rate?
Awesome... Love it !
Could you extend the slanted inlet section for more ram effect? I suggest extending the slanted part of the inlet pipe so the water falls more before it enters the turbine y fitting. Also a large inlet pipe mated to a smaller outlet pipe might help start the siphon and limit excess demand on your water source. Good luck and thanks for all your fine work.
Did you mention what the specific kind of turbine that is that you are using? I'd like to see some video on that because this sort of set up is exactly what I'm looking at for my pond. I might have a little more head than you have there. I have a spring fed pond and there's a constant spill over 24/7/365 because of the spring although the flow may be less than what you are working with. The spring never stops feeding the pond. So I want to capture energy from it. Thank you so much for sharing!
Just curious if you could use a pipe reducer to create a smaller flow, but higher pressure through the turbine? Basically use less water while getting equal or better results.
Depending on how much of that stream is on your property , what's up with circulating water back in with consecutive water power sources.
Nice job! That could really suck a smaller pond down quickly though.
Also what if you adapted a larger magnetic plate as for vertical wind producing mechanisms?
thanks for the info, too bad I don't have a pond. Do you know about how much water is going through your generator per hour?
There is a Hydro power project in California that pumps water up hill at night at a low rate$$ of electricity and it flows down hill through the generators when the rate is high. If this flowed down and generated at night a Solar run pump to get it back up hill may be efficient enough. It would be another way to charge batteries as well.
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Have you ever considered having multiple ramp pumps or something to bring the water back up to the pond? Even the weight of the water in a reservoir could shoot a lot up and then ram pump up the rest.
Would you be able to work with me on a simple project that creates energy. It does not use wind or solar.
You can do much better if you reduce the diameter of the pipe at the turbine end down to one inch with a metering valve to adjust the flow in order to speed up or slow down the RPM of the turbine. You will use much less water
That is what I was thinking.... The output pipe below turbine should be at least a little smaller then the input... With the same size, output pipe, you lose suction due to the difficulty of getting all of the air out... often, as it is now, all of the air will not come out, but it will not be obvious....
A metering valve at the bottom, may at times, keep all of the air from being drawn out....
For maximum power, the output at the bottom of the pipe should be as low as possible and a fraction below the stream that it discharges into...
Please let us know if you are still reading the comments here...
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could I use that on my 1 1/2 inch pipe from my mountain spring?
Your area seems like it doesn't freeze, correct?
Could you add an air lift (pulser) pump to the exhaust side and pump that water back into the pond?
How do you make sure the intake doesn't clog with debris from the pond?
add a valve to the discharge line to save the trouble of priming?
I am making Hydroelectric power And charging A battery with a Amazon solar charge controller
What happened when the turbine failed to sustain the 600watts and the lights went out? Did the turbine stall and the blades stop? Thanks.
I can see if you had a constant level lake (spring or river fed) where this would be a great asset!
have you tried a ram pump to create a flow back into the pond?
Ok I have over 100 feet drop in my property. We have spring runoff to fill ponds but not yearlong flow. If I build two ponds, one high, one low. Use penstock and 10 turbins between ponds
Then a return pump to top pond. I know utility size systems work this way, why not micro hydro?
add some counter weights so when a load comes on the counterweight it holds the start up draw. like they have on a old john deere two cylinder tractor.
Do you have a way for the drained water to go back to the pond so its not lost?
Hello there i got a stupid question. i am new at this, but can it be possible to use that peace of pipe whats left after the motor to put a second motor to use to for example put a pump to work to get back some off the water so you can get free energie for a longer time period.
hi great job do you have a stream feeding the pond
excellent, suggest that you use solar powered pump to recover waste water when necessary. your pond is obviously spring or creek fed, not just rain
Have you done any endurance testing to determine the life expectancy of the unit?
i like this as a supplement to solar. perfect to top back off the battery bank during a prolonged period of rain
Garunteed you probably already have a method to replenish that pond with less energy to make sure you keep the energy coming. I find these videos helpful!
Is there a return line that leads back to the pond? I was thinking, since you empty into that "bucket", why not pop a hole in the bottom and glue in a 2" pipe, then run it back to the pond, but instead of shaping the pipe so that it empties under the water, you just shoot it straight out, so it "waterfalls" into the pond (might require stepping down the size as it runs back to the pond). The correspondent splashing will oxygenate the water and keep it fresher than it would just sitting there.
pretty slick, bud!
Can anyone Recommend a PMA for a water turbine ? (AC)
Thank you..
never seen something homebuilt like his awesome!
Agreed, his ingenuity is showing
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How much more energy could you get if you daisy chained 1 or 2 more turbines into the system?
you have good water pressure, how about second or third turbine? in serial connection
what about trying to add an electric hydralic cylinder/actuator and run wire to house with a switch to make it go up and down as needed?
what about fish getting trapped? could you set up a mesh or something?
Great video ,Question... could you feed the water dump back to the pond and have constant power without draining the pond completely or for that matter at all???
My same question..
Very cool!!!
wow this was six years ago, does it still work today?
Hi 775. Can you tell the flow rate in your system? How many gallons to produce 500 watts for 1 hour? Thanks
How much water does this require gpm? could a solar pump be used to cycle this back by day for potential energy storage at night?
couldn't you add a second turbine or two at the base of the primary outlet (where your wash basin is?
How come the lights went off at 600 watts rather than dimming?
Im not sure what size turbine you're using, but if you restrict the pipe size right before the turbine, you should get a faster flow of water going into the turbine. Which would give you a slightly better GPH.
Just something to think about
if u put a shut off valve of some kind, right before ur turbine, u can keep water in pipe all the way to ur pivot point. that way u have 100 o/o turbine as soon as u lower ur feed tube into pond, and still be able to control the water levels.
Still using your pond hydro for anything. Any update videos
Would it be possible to put some of the water back into the pond? To help maintain supply when generating electricity? Ram pump or other means? That’s some good work you’ve done , just wondering.
So if you connect enough light bulbs, the water stops flowing? I've never thought about it.
I don't know how close you are physically or socially but would their be a possibility of running the excess to some of this storage or maybe the few homes around you can excavate some .sort of communal pond at a area evern a trade market is set or irrigation canals for fire season so you can help keep ground moist.
everyone has imput on ways to make it better like this dude found a way to make power using energy he had from when it was time for him to drain the pond. most people would just drain it or water their property with it or whatever. i think it was practical.
Outstanding...
Real nice what kind of turbine are you using I would like to make something like that!
Can't you purge the air on suction pipe to increase flow immediately
You could speed up water flow speed by stepping down pipe size. That would also speed up the turbine. Of course, a longer run wouldn't hurt either.
You should make it change if you want it to run back in to the pond and just keep it running anytime you want
thanks so much will don
If that waters coming out of the pond it would be easy to purify the water before returning it back into the pond, that would be my main goal, and a good selling point.
How did you make the generator and the turbine wheel?
My pond floods and the overflow just flows down a mountain, so my pond can never get too high. This would be a great way to use that water that just flows out my pond anyways. Needs a battery house to hold and charge batteries. I have solar and wind already so I woundn't rely on only this but best to have redundancy incase something in my system fails.
So, I know I'm late but how could you tie this back into a solar system to not only capture but store that energy?
Can you show. What runner stay inside? Kaplan runner?
Use a hydraulic ram pump to pump water from the pond to a holding tank and run your turbine from that and channeling the water back to the pond. And the pulse water from the pump can be cycled back to the pond by using a solar pump.
couldnt you use a check valve instead which would keep constant vacum
If you put a ram pump on the outlet side you can pump a lot of that water back into the pond just using gravity.
Please tell us about the turbine/propeller inside the tube.show some picture/video of it.
nice work. I'm curious though why you didn't put the turbine at the bottom of your drop pipe, like hydro plants, to gain the extra lb's of force you can spin your turbine with and generate more power? Thought maybe you could use the vacuum generated by the drop pipe that is past your turbine but this would only work if there was no way air could be introduced into the system or any type of impeller cavitation. Awesome stuff, looking forward to more videos.
Thank you. Yes, the air is completely purged. I put a vacuum gauge on and as the air is purging you see the needle go from zero and into the vacuum range and then stabilize. You can see it on the gauge and really hear it in the turbine. It is designed to operate this way.
what is the maximum rpm this thing can handle ?
A very interesting project. My sympathy that so many commenters want to take a practical device and turn it into a mythical over-unity scheme.
your lack if creativity shows your ignorance lack of knowledge shows your stupidity and to top it off over unity is possible I'll leave it at that have a nice day ignorance is bliss
Kris Riddle I'm glad you find yourself in a blissful state. I'll try not to disturb it.
And your spelling and grammar show a lack of intelligence or a lack of knowledge. Not sure which.
+Jim Fortune say as you will but a simple mechanical water ram that uses no elec to push water up a hill to a reserve with an 8 in return hooked to a reducer produces all the power I need can't create something from nothing or is that what you believe. oh and my grammar maybe shit I'll give you that but your ignorance shows when all you do is bash with no statement that is meaningful to the point I was making - another kicker we make magnets from raw material take 80 pound neodymium mag with 2 1/2 inch hole wrapping 14 gauge magnet wire in side to out makes 1volt per turn wrap 280 times hooked to a converter now power range of 300-340 watts depends on resistance of wire kinking that will last about 10k years till mag dies it's called a magnetic vortex effect study some more and then try to convince me your not ignorant
Kris Riddle Ram pumps are a great way to take a large flow of low energy water and turn it into a small flow of high energy. It's the same idea as using a slow moving stream to turn a wheel that pumps a smaller amount of water to a height. It's a good analogy for explaining how a transformer takes a low voltage high amperage current and turns it into a high voltage low amperage current.
And if you are actually building an over unity device you fall into one of two categories:
1. You seriously believe it's possible, but you still need to tweak a few things to get it to work.
2. You know it's bullshit, but you have plans you're willing to sell me that are guaranteed to work if I do it right.
@John W It has, you twat.
hows about taking advantage of more head pressure by mounting turbine a couple of feet lower near the exit,,,,and on the resupply to the pond-its gravity that brings it down. If you lift it up to pond level thats gonna take as much energy or more than what you gain from the drop. If you want to save energy, then put the turbine as low as possible and put a control valve upstream in the race to control water volume
if you had a spring loaded cap on the pipe in the dam you could attach a bouy that opened it when you got enough rain. then obviously it closes when the pond level drops
Aka hudson valve
@@TurboHommy ah, ill look it up. i heard about it from a guy but never knew the name
@@TurboHommy do you know the one with the diaphram that pushes the button on the electric pump and then it pumps out when you get rain? name?
That's a great idea, could you use a smaller diameter pipe to generate more pressure to spin the turbine faster ? would more pressure = more power? Sorry I'm no expert or anything, very interesting indeed well done!
This is cool. I was wondering, couldn't you lower the tail end of that pipe where the gen head is, down 2 or 3 feet and gain more head? I'm just wondering why you have such a straight run.
The power is mainly generated by the vertical drop which gives the suction to increase the power .That's where the vacuum gauge helps to tune the hydro unit to the intake pipe
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You can dezine the water to run into a ram pump, and pump it right into your pond ,and kep it running for a long time.
very good videos
Could you extend the exit point of the siphon pipe down to create more suction? What is the limiting factor of the amount of energy being generated?
That will be in Pond power part 3 . Will be increasing intake pipe to 8" extending it to 30' to get more vertical drop and increasing the down pipe to 10"
It seemed like you almost need to double up on the generators with that much flow of water. just a ideaI don't know much about water turbines.
Maybe create a second lower pond to catch the water.(idk if the property allows it) put a solar pump in the lower pond. And you got yourself some pumped solar hydro battery.
Good work with the pond. Can't you use a RAM pump to pump back a fraction of the used water back in the pond. Check the vidéo on how to make a ram pump.Just my 2 cents. Good luck with the larger feeding and suction output line.
I live on a property with a mountain spring in the Appalachian mountains. How would you adapt the system to work with a stream?
+Rob Creekmore
If you have 40 plus feet of head go with a pelton wheel turbine. Check out the mashing machine conversion.
Can we add another one in series?
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Could you put another turbine at the exit of the tub?
Nope. All the power has been exhausted at that point.
+engineer775 Practical Preppers what about a small water wheel attached to the output from the rubber maid water tank. may be able to spin a wheel there
Hi have you ever looked into Victor Shawburger's water imploder.