As someone living in Irvine, your Orange County proposals are the DREAM. If only OCTA acted like an actual transit agency instead of a highway agency... P.S. Electrify Metrolink!!!!
How do you get to work from metrolink station in Irvine? Irvine public transportation is so terrible all thanks to selfish people like you. I am an IT programmers. Many recruiter have approached me for opportunities in Irvine. There are so many. I do not even want to discuss . I don't drive. Finding a room, getting metrolink, etc is mission impossible. You guys don't want to improve public transportation in Irvine n want that stupid rail to nowhere
Even though it located out of OC, I feel like OCTA should invest in the C line connection to Norwalk. You would see a huge boost in Metrolink ridership from OC residents wanting to get to LAX and vice versa.
I'm kinda writing a story set in a distant future California, and I like to base the transit in that setting on your projections. You're a real inspiration. Best of luck with your new family.
Have I ever been in LA? No. Do I plan to ever visit LA? Probably not, unless I'm still alive by the time most of LA transit plans are built. Do I love watching the videos on this channel regardless? Yes!
14:54 Very important point! Small town rail service is a good idea even if there is limited to no local public transport. Where I grew up (in northeastern Germany - yes, there are transit deserts in Central Europe) you have trains serving towns that get very little or no bus service depending on the day and they are still very popular. Of course it‘s especially useful if your terminus is a bigger more well-served town and you can hook up those smaller settlements along the way.
This is the dumb video, but most USA youtube rail transit videos are out of touch. Its like a poor person complaining how poor he is that he couldn't maintain 500 mansions😊
Seeing the brt idea for Oxnard and the surrounding area warmed my local heart! The potential for connections and land use out here is insane and could make this area so much more productive and accessible. I truly hope this area sees improvements and better transit options. Thank you for everything you’ve been informing the masses in ways the “media” could never!
even though the Orange County section is all speculative, I do have hope for the future that OCTA will try to revive the centerline project as people want more direct transit other than local bus lines and Metrolink
I love the center line idea! Build it as a grade separated automated light metro line and it'll have HUGE ridership. It would also enable areas already dense with jobs and housing (Disneyland, CSUF, UCI etc.) to add even more jobs and housing. If Disneyland could reduce employee parking demand it would open up a TON of space for new parks.
Wow. You worked tirelessly on this diagram and presentation. We recognize your efforts and commend you for it. The pessimistic naysayers and nitpickers in the comments section can only criticize you for being human. Of course, this plan is not 100% perfect, but you have definitely outdone yourself this year. This beautiful piece of media is invaluable fodder for more ideas and discussion about how to achieve a final build out Southern California transit network. The age we live in is truly too creative and aware to conform to the existing paradigms, regardless of the socially engineered dichotomy affiliations. Great stuff.
It doesn't matter how fast high speed rail is, I believe there will always be a market for Sleeper trains regardless of their "novelty" because the travel time of a sleeper train is effectively zero (0). You go to sleep in LA and wake up in SF, having the whole day to spend in the Bay Area, before doing the reverse to wake up in LA again. Sleeper trains don't need novelty, because they're already advantageous. Let's remember that Concorde was in part killed by the proliferation of lie-flat seats on Trans-Atlantic flights.
I'm stoked that there will potentially be a San Diego video in the future. There's a ton of interesting stuff happening (despite G narrowly failing) and crap keeps getting changed all the time. For example, that purple line route looks like it was based on the old light rail freeway running version of the route before it was determined to be commuter rail that runs under surface streets, which itself is now potentially outdated as SANDAG is looking into potentially making this a metro rail line with some alignment adjustments.
have a comment for the algo. the amount of effort that you put into this topic is INSANE. forgive me for asking a question u probably get a lot but have you tried pushing any of this to the decision makers? id assume there are legitimate reasons for whatever your response would be (not to mention the question itself being predicated on the assumption the basis of this proposal hasnt already been considered/rejected/modified in various forms already) so i ask mostly for my own curiosity as to where those assumptions are incorrect. i also havent gone through all of ur work or finished this video - yet! whatever the case, you have a thumbs up from me!
Much as I love a lot of the concepts of this proposal, I can't approve of such a big overhaul to LA Metro that doesn't rebuild the A Line through Long Beach to be underground. You're ending seperate BRT lines at 1st and 5th street stations which are both just bare platforms in the middle of downtown Long Beach when they already have an established regional bus terminal at the Long Beach Transit Mall, which could be even better served if the A Line were shifted underground north/south on Pine Ave
These proposals are amazing and seem to be very well thought out. I'd love to see what you do with other cities, especially ones that might not be as populous, such as the Denver-Boulder area.
Also, hate me for my hot take: but I do think an LA streetcar network would make sense and OCTA building a tram is also pretty based (let's hope it becomes a big system)
Amazing! Reminds me of the saying "The sign of a great civilization is one in which leaders plant seeds for trees under whose branches they will never sit."
14:40 quick note: The Santa Paula Branchline is actually still in operation. It's currently owned by the VCTC and is used for shortline freight operations by Sierra Northern and a business offering railbike tours after the Fillmore and Western Railway went bankrupt. Also I use the East Ventura stop occasionally and your suggestion for where the platform should be relocated would be significantly better than the current location assuming there is also a bus stop placed there as well.
I'm super excited about many of these projects, especially the Brightline West train. I still hold onto the sliver of hope that there will eventually be a Victor Valley Metrolink line
you actually said "Goleta" closer to how it is in Spanish, hence closer to being most correct. "golaeta" vs "goleeta", the spanish 'e' is 'ae'. so good job :) love your vids!
19:07 The El Monte Busway has two lanes in each direction on the ten freeway. You can get rid of one of those lanes in both directions. This would mean that you could actually triple track the San Burnardino line through the ten freeway and keep the busway. But you would need to kick out Fastrak.
one day I realized that there are many parts of PCH in malibu where, if it was to completely slide into the ocean, the residents of malibu would fight to make sure it was never fixed.
If I ever find a magical genie and I get 3 wishes, the first wish will be this map a reality including all of California transit plans or ideas you got even if you're not that knowledgeable. The second is to eminent domain everything to fit every station and line accordingly to make it the most polished urban system ever. And third, bring back my favorite hot dog restaurant in North Hollywood.
I actually have my own plans, but can’t figure out where to post, but you’re ideas literally sparked more inspiration. This would potentially “Tokyo-ify” Southern California❤❤
I'm happy that you mentioned hybrid rail a lot. Down in Irvine, we're trying to get our own version of Arrow off the ground to go along with the new TOD that'll happen at Irvine Station
At the end of the video, it's noted that a San Diego-themed video may be in the offing. One thing that's happened there since I left the San Diego area (other than the NCTD Sprinter coming online, which happened just after I left), is that, in the last few years, there have been a number of BRT routes created by the San Diego MTS (which my father once drove buses for in the late 90s/early 2000s), including routes from San Diego to Rancho Bernardo and Escondido (those BRTs that go up I-15 are San Diego's version of LA Metro's J Line), Otay Mesa to Downtown San Diego, Otay Mesa to the Imperial Beach Pier, and Downtown San Diego to SDSU. And SANDAG is planning to fill in one of Southern California's biggest public transportation gaps in it's long-term plans, which is a BRT line from northern San Diego County to Riverside County. Currently, there's no real way to get to San Diego County to Riverside County via public transportation, and there are also no bus routes that connect northern San Diego County and Orange County, either (neither NCTD or OCTA have a line connecting southern Orange County and northern San Diego County, though there is one NCTD line that goes from Oceanside north through most of Camp Pendleton and winds up in San Onofre.) And very much unlike Los Angeles' public transportation system, one thing San Diego has always lacked is bus routes to it's major theme parks, such as Sea World (only one bus line goes to Sea World, the #9), and until recent years, only one bus line served the San Diego Zoo and Balboa Park (the #7, which has always had the most frequent bus service in the San Diego area) until the BRT #215 line from Downtown San Diego to SDSU came along. There's also a major resort hotel and water park being built at the Chula Vista Marina, which is scheduled to open around the middle of next year, and there's currently no bus service to the Chula Vista Marina (there's also no public transportation that goes to the Olympic Training Center in east Chula Vista).
The fact that Balboa Park isn't served by rail is INSANE! It's the greatest urban park in the US with a RIDICULOUS density of museums. Traffic at the park is TERRIBLE!
@@PASH3227 In fact, until recent years, the ONLY public transportation line that really served Balboa Park was the MTS #7 bus, which has always had the most frequent service of any bus line in San Diego, and one that, from my experience going back to the mid-80s, has always used articulated buses. In fact, I went to Roosevelt Middle School, which is in Balboa Park, for a while in 1985, and used the #7 to go from downtown (I was staying at a sketchy hotel in downtown S.D. at the time) to get to Roosevelt Middle School. But it isn't surprising that Balboa Park isn't served by rail, if for no other reason than it's location. But in more recent years, a BRT line, the #215, was added to compliment the #7, giving Balboa Park and the San Diego Zoo rapid transit service, with two stops in Balboa Park, one at the Naval Medical Center and the other one at San Diego Zoo (it doesn't stop at the other stops the #7 bus stops at on Park Blvd.).
Hey Nick! Love this update and your Bluesky ambitions. Regarding your T-Line idea into Echo Park, I made a proposal on r/LAMetro that had a potential Dodger Stadium station serve the intersection of Vin Scully/ Sunset instead of boring directly into the ravine for an onsite Dodger Stadium stop (though I would vastly prefer that option) - this mitigates having to deal with McCourt and keeps the station to Sunset, however, the station would still be about half a mile away and at the foot of the stadium and is consistent with Metro’s envisioning of being fully underground heading north from Little Tokyo > Union Station > Future expansion (with also not serving the Chinatown station). Thoughts?
I'm not an LA local, just a transit enthusiast, so I lack a lot of context for these videos, but one of the things I think you've gotten wrong here is the decision to not route the LRT through the streetcar tracks into Orange County. LRT and streetcars are technically extremely similar, so if the LRT was previously able to use the right of way, it should still be able to share it with the streetcar. You may need to build two platforms per station to account for the differing floor heights (though I'm unclear on which floor height the LRT would use since it's hypothetical), but otherwise the issues of track geometry and such shouldn't prevent you from interlining there
The problem with interlining with the street car is that the section in downtown Santa Ana is on the same ROW as cars. The streetcars are also not going to be very fast and I wouldn't put it past some dudebro in a pickup to think it would be funny to hold up a streetcar..
That's fair, but it's also possible to separate the streetcars out, plus you could still run on the off-street Pacific Electric ROW and find a way into the train station from the end of that rather than building more infrastructure elsewhere
Even though I don't live in Hollywood Hills West anymore, a Sunset/Gardner station would have been my home station. I dreamed up the exact T-Line you propose, years ago. I wanted a direct way to DTLA, with stop options in Echo Park /Silver Lake, as well as along SMB in southern hollywood. Plus, I went up to Studio City so much I wanted a better way as the buses and traffic in the Cahuenga Pass (or trying to death ride a bike) is horrible there. And lastly, having it go toward Sherman Oak where my BF (at the time) lived made me want a line that didn't reroute me from being between WeHo and Hollywood, to the B-Line or the future K-Line extention to WeHo (which i would use a LOT) that I would need to transfer to the N/S line going under UCLA to get to Sherman Oaks. BUILD THE T-LINE NOW ! EDIT: Additionally a fast way from where I was by Runyon Canyon to Glendale or Burbank would have also been a 'god-sent'. The bus lines just took too long.
5:40 from Burbank to LAUS it is obvious that a 6 track corridor is a need. Having HSR share on anything north of LAUS creates delays. Metrolink should than have it’s 2 tracks and 2 more for freight/Metrolink shared. Trying to have 6 converge to 4 in Burbank would be bad.
Amazing video, it fills me with (painful) hope haha. Am freaking out seeing transit near where i grew up near the Trask stop in Garden Grove, and all the places across OC and LA I struggled to access with transit. I wanted to point out that OCTA seems like theyre going back and forth between planning a higher quality East-West corridor on Chapman or Garden Grove Bvld. The current idea seems to start at the Orange Metrolink on Chapman and running west until either the Outlets at State College or up to Harbor, then scooting south to continue west along Garden Grove Bvld. That hits some tourist and shopping points along with the majority of density along Chapman. Going west along GGBVLD from Harbor (though close to the Westminster route) hits "downtown" Garden Grove, GG's Koreatown and the edge of Little Saigon, and the start of a stretch between Brookhurst and Beach that the housing element has targeted for some serious development (and Rodeo 39 is there too). From there, that would allow easy access to the 22 to get to Long Beach and 7th.
@nandert Ventura County Line: MetroLink (through VCTC) already owns the full right of way East Ventura (Montalvo) to Saugus. That was the original RR route from LA to San Francisco before the tunnels were built between Simi and Chatsworth. The tracks were removed east of Piru. The reason I love your content is because I did a similar, much smaller in scope, documentary on this stuff about 17 years ago where I learned that fact. I've been into this stuff since I was a teenager when I got on a community board in another metro area and essentially designed the transit system in use today . . . now 30 years out of date. I'll probably comment more.
@@taxirob2248 It was up on youtube until I was advised to take it down not politically but commercially to push viewership on another, now defunct video service. Now I have to see if I can find the file (I've got hundreds of terabytes of drives here).
I have further suggestions for coaster service rather than stopping at the convention center the coster could aquire the abandoned south bay branch to imperial beach and terminate there connecting another large population center onto the transit network. At the other end i think we can do better than just a camp Pendleton station we could instead aquire the former fallbrook branch traveling onto the base closer to where the barrica actually are eliminating a shuttle bus and terminating in fallbrook.
@@lucaspadilla4815 I could see that being some sort of extension of the Coaster, seeing as Temecula (and esp. wine country) is a big draw from not only LA people but San Diego, too.
Please please look at Northern California. We need a vision like this that includes SF, OAK, SJ, and Sac! Please reach out if you're actually interested and want to connect with some good folks up here who are thinking about pieces of this but not necessarily how it all comes together.
LA can almost rival New York in its local and regional transit networks. I like the idea of some of the LA MetroRail extending to its adjacent counties in San Bernardino and Orange counties. Where transit is much needed and connecting with the local transit systems, there that will really make a true regional rail. I also have to say that the BRT system is also very solid, providing those missing gaps in the entire LA region. I hope that a quarter of these plans will realistically happen. And commuter rall, intercity rail and California high speed rail connecting outside the LA area is excellent.
There's a space for a two track infill station (and therefore passing tracks) for the San Bernardino line in the I-10 meidan between Del Mar Ave and San Gabriel Blvd. (especially if you close the Del Mar exit) that could help add capacity to the constrained portion of the SBL in the I-10 median. This is similar to the space used between Fremont Ave and Atlantic Blvd for a passing loop in the I-10 median.
Yeah… unless they take out an Expresslane (unlikely), the only true solution is replacing it with a center-running aerial double track viaduct for regional&HSR mode rail, not too unlike the Harbor Transitway on the 110. But then you still have the two single track viaducts in El Monte (one along the Rio Hondo and the other along Valley blvd to worry about). Also BNSF right of way shrinks again through Basset and Baldwin Park before widening up again around Irwindale, so eminent domain might be inevitable to a certain degree.
@@Treemaster89 The I-10 section of the SBL is a hard problem to fix. We could eliminate a lane of regular traffic, not that California DOT would ever consider that.
An underground all the way to Riverside is sm that I would love to see… but seeing the voters of Riverside county agreeing with anything the la county votes for is would be a miracle :(
> Yes this a long video, Yes I have a job, Yes I sometimes sleep Yeah I'm gonna call BS. /jk Love this videos! You take fantasy maps to a whole another level. if you sleep now wait till we get you elected Supreme King of Southern California Transportation.
Hey, love your videos, san diean here. Sandag has been kinda sparce on info but purple line has been rerouted as of 2023. Simular alignment but diffrent. Reccomend you check out their new study once out on December
16:04 so you're telling me just a few grade separations in Long Beach and Lakewood would make this ROW mostly grade separated? I don't care what this would be used for these grade separations need to be pursued NOW. Long Beach airport could have a ton of rail based logistics on this corridor AND a rail connection to the airport and LA Union Station.
36:00: What about either a direct tunnel under or bridge over the businesses between the new Burbank terminal and Metro/Metrolink/HSR station? It would be a quarter-mile, which shouldn't be a problem with moving walkways. That's shorter after all than the distance between security and the farthest gate at many airport terminals. Also shorter than the existing walkway between the Burbank terminal and rental car center/Ventura Line Metrolink station.
I assume every local route will be operated by their respective county authorities and not brainlessly decided that LA Metro would operate every single line outside of LA County like some ignorant people to RoW and jurisdiction keeps suggesting.
21:00 I want your version of the "Meriden" line...I'm still confused by Metro plans which are less desirable since the area it passes are severally lacking in collective transit options; it's like an express Metrolink 2.0 instead of just serving those commuter neighborhoods. It's seems like a lost opportunity on Metro's part especially for commuters like myself who have no other option but to drive work.
two major nandert videos in less than ten days is crazy work we’ve been blessed
Gazing at the finished map pretending that it's just a few years away is therapeutic
my kind of delusion
@@MetalMilitia072583 Its my turn with the copium bottle!!!
As someone living in Irvine, your Orange County proposals are the DREAM. If only OCTA acted like an actual transit agency instead of a highway agency...
P.S. Electrify Metrolink!!!!
I'm also in South OC and yeah, this would be absolutely amazing!
How do you get to work from metrolink station in Irvine?
Irvine public transportation is so terrible all thanks to selfish people like you.
I am an IT programmers. Many recruiter have approached me for opportunities in Irvine. There are so many. I do not even want to discuss . I don't drive. Finding a room, getting metrolink, etc is mission impossible. You guys don't want to improve public transportation in Irvine n want that stupid rail to nowhere
@@renaes2807😭 what black magic do we need to do to get OCTA to stop being the worst.
Even though it located out of OC, I feel like OCTA should invest in the C line connection to Norwalk. You would see a huge boost in Metrolink ridership from OC residents wanting to get to LAX and vice versa.
Here here. I'm just leaving a redundant comment to support the algorithm
I'm kinda writing a story set in a distant future California, and I like to base the transit in that setting on your projections. You're a real inspiration. Best of luck with your new family.
Petition for Nandert as eternal supreme leader of California
At least put him in charge of transit in the area. He knows it way better than anyone currently in power in the Greater LA Area.
After a depressing 2024 update, WE GET THIS IN LESS THAN 2 WEEKS! HUZZAH!
Hoping this isn’t as depressing.
Glad you are getting all these metro videos out of your system. Good luck with your family and the upcoming kid!
Have I ever been in LA? No.
Do I plan to ever visit LA?
Probably not, unless I'm still alive by the time most of LA transit plans are built.
Do I love watching the videos on this channel regardless? Yes!
Only 10% of this will ever happen.
14:54 Very important point! Small town rail service is a good idea even if there is limited to no local public transport. Where I grew up (in northeastern Germany - yes, there are transit deserts in Central Europe) you have trains serving towns that get very little or no bus service depending on the day and they are still very popular. Of course it‘s especially useful if your terminus is a bigger more well-served town and you can hook up those smaller settlements along the way.
Greetings to a fellow German, also watching speculative transit planning videos about a region I will probably never visit 😅
@@Planet__3 Grüße zurück!
As someone who lives in one of those small towns, this is what I've wanted for so long now
I live in Alhambra, this would be great for me 😊
so far, it's the best video! Having the massive map makes so much sense - it really should be considered to be one metropolitan area.
This is the dumb video, but most USA youtube rail transit videos are out of touch.
Its like a poor person complaining how poor he is that he couldn't maintain 500 mansions😊
I adore the passionate detail you go into. As a Bay Area resident, I wish you the best in your crusade.
Seeing the brt idea for Oxnard and the surrounding area warmed my local heart! The potential for connections and land use out here is insane and could make this area so much more productive and accessible. I truly hope this area sees improvements and better transit options. Thank you for everything you’ve been informing the masses in ways the “media” could never!
We do need more services like these here in Ventura County
2 nandert videos in 2 weeks?? we're spoiled
even though the Orange County section is all speculative, I do have hope for the future that OCTA will try to revive the centerline project as people want more direct transit other than local bus lines and Metrolink
I love the center line idea! Build it as a grade separated automated light metro line and it'll have HUGE ridership. It would also enable areas already dense with jobs and housing (Disneyland, CSUF, UCI etc.) to add even more jobs and housing.
If Disneyland could reduce employee parking demand it would open up a TON of space for new parks.
@@PASH3227yes, a light metro that uses rolling stock similar to what is depicted on supelveda line renders / Vancouver skytrain esque
As someone who lives in Orange and works across from SNA, YES. i would take this lightrail everyday. I hate the 55. I hate it so much.
Wow. You worked tirelessly on this diagram and presentation. We recognize your efforts and commend you for it. The pessimistic naysayers and nitpickers in the comments section can only criticize you for being human. Of course, this plan is not 100% perfect, but you have definitely outdone yourself this year. This beautiful piece of media is invaluable fodder for more ideas and discussion about how to achieve a final build out Southern California transit network. The age we live in is truly too creative and aware to conform to the existing paradigms, regardless of the socially engineered dichotomy affiliations. Great stuff.
I live on the east coast, and your videos are so well done and informative that I’m invested in LA’s metro now too 😅
every nandert video satisfies an itch it is not frequently scratched
It doesn't matter how fast high speed rail is, I believe there will always be a market for Sleeper trains regardless of their "novelty" because the travel time of a sleeper train is effectively zero (0). You go to sleep in LA and wake up in SF, having the whole day to spend in the Bay Area, before doing the reverse to wake up in LA again. Sleeper trains don't need novelty, because they're already advantageous. Let's remember that Concorde was in part killed by the proliferation of lie-flat seats on Trans-Atlantic flights.
I'm stoked that there will potentially be a San Diego video in the future. There's a ton of interesting stuff happening (despite G narrowly failing) and crap keeps getting changed all the time. For example, that purple line route looks like it was based on the old light rail freeway running version of the route before it was determined to be commuter rail that runs under surface streets, which itself is now potentially outdated as SANDAG is looking into potentially making this a metro rail line with some alignment adjustments.
That OC plan is SICK. Also a complete pipe dream.......
I could cry just looking at this map 😭
have a comment for the algo. the amount of effort that you put into this topic is INSANE. forgive me for asking a question u probably get a lot but have you tried pushing any of this to the decision makers? id assume there are legitimate reasons for whatever your response would be (not to mention the question itself being predicated on the assumption the basis of this proposal hasnt already been considered/rejected/modified in various forms already) so i ask mostly for my own curiosity as to where those assumptions are incorrect. i also havent gone through all of ur work or finished this video - yet! whatever the case, you have a thumbs up from me!
Much as I love a lot of the concepts of this proposal, I can't approve of such a big overhaul to LA Metro that doesn't rebuild the A Line through Long Beach to be underground. You're ending seperate BRT lines at 1st and 5th street stations which are both just bare platforms in the middle of downtown Long Beach when they already have an established regional bus terminal at the Long Beach Transit Mall, which could be even better served if the A Line were shifted underground north/south on Pine Ave
SAN DIEGO MENTIONED
I KNOWW I GOT SO EXCITED WHEN I HEARD HIM SAY HE'LL DO A VIDEO SOON ON DAYGO
mmm wake up babeee new 1.5 hr nandert video dropped
Don't hurt yourself, nandert, we want you to be around for a long time.
These proposals are amazing and seem to be very well thought out. I'd love to see what you do with other cities, especially ones that might not be as populous, such as the Denver-Boulder area.
This is a true blessing and I’m so happy. I was about to rewatch an old video but now I can watch this!
This is extremely impressive. Great video!
Dear All SoCal Government Transportation Engineers: Just watch this video, say it was your idea, and just make it happen
I'm waiting for that train to Vegas! Let the dice roll, baby!
I love these videos; the lines traversing across the map and rewriting the stations are so satisfying!
I am the sort of person who finds this sort of thing fun! I look forward to seeing more of your videos!!!
This many nandert vidoes in one month in these economics and political situation?
No way!
Also, hate me for my hot take: but I do think an LA streetcar network would make sense and OCTA building a tram is also pretty based (let's hope it becomes a big system)
Amazing! Reminds me of the saying "The sign of a great civilization is one in which leaders plant seeds for trees under whose branches they will never sit."
This is a Transit Planner DREAM VIDEO🤩
Not only will this amazing rail plan take decades to complete IRL, it might take years to complete in Cities: Skylines! 🤣🤣🤣
This is so unhinged lol I love it
Looking forward to the san diego video.
14:40 quick note: The Santa Paula Branchline is actually still in operation. It's currently owned by the VCTC and is used for shortline freight operations by Sierra Northern and a business offering railbike tours after the Fillmore and Western Railway went bankrupt. Also I use the East Ventura stop occasionally and your suggestion for where the platform should be relocated would be significantly better than the current location assuming there is also a bus stop placed there as well.
I'm super excited about many of these projects, especially the Brightline West train. I still hold onto the sliver of hope that there will eventually be a Victor Valley Metrolink line
This gonna be a good morning
WOOHOO ANOTHER NANDERT VID
thanks for your hard work and dedication! we appreciate it very much
As always, your maps are very impressive, well done sir, thank you for putting this together.
you actually said "Goleta" closer to how it is in Spanish, hence closer to being most correct. "golaeta" vs "goleeta", the spanish 'e' is 'ae'. so good job :) love your vids!
4:16 LAC+USC will be renamed to LA General Medical Center since the hospital was renamed back to its original name earlier this year
This would be so awesome IRL! Thank you for helping to keep the public transit dream alive. 🙌
cant wait to see this in 2150
19:07 The El Monte Busway has two lanes in each direction on the ten freeway. You can get rid of one of those lanes in both directions. This would mean that you could actually triple track the San Burnardino line through the ten freeway and keep the busway. But you would need to kick out Fastrak.
Awesome video, I'd recommend adding a west metrolink station in Simi Valley, it's in the plans of the city as a long term goal
14:52 I live in one of those towns, the rail service would b a dream come true
Pomona to Ladera ranch BRT LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO!!!
another amazing video thank you! I can't wait for the San Diego video!!
one day I realized that there are many parts of PCH in malibu where, if it was to completely slide into the ocean, the residents of malibu would fight to make sure it was never fixed.
Nice, two videos in ten days!
Lucid Stew did a good LA to Phoenix HSR video.
ITS HEREEEE
With those connections the LAX station has the potential to become a Union Station for the southwest region.
Practicing transit planner, we agree with you 👍
If I ever find a magical genie and I get 3 wishes, the first wish will be this map a reality including all of California transit plans or ideas you got even if you're not that knowledgeable. The second is to eminent domain everything to fit every station and line accordingly to make it the most polished urban system ever. And third, bring back my favorite hot dog restaurant in North Hollywood.
I actually have my own plans, but can’t figure out where to post, but you’re ideas literally sparked more inspiration. This would potentially “Tokyo-ify” Southern California❤❤
I'm happy that you mentioned hybrid rail a lot. Down in Irvine, we're trying to get our own version of Arrow off the ground to go along with the new TOD that'll happen at Irvine Station
i never skip the ads, just for you nandert!
El Monte would be crazy with your ideas. THE CONNECTIONS!
At the end of the video, it's noted that a San Diego-themed video may be in the offing. One thing that's happened there since I left the San Diego area (other than the NCTD Sprinter coming online, which happened just after I left), is that, in the last few years, there have been a number of BRT routes created by the San Diego MTS (which my father once drove buses for in the late 90s/early 2000s), including routes from San Diego to Rancho Bernardo and Escondido (those BRTs that go up I-15 are San Diego's version of LA Metro's J Line), Otay Mesa to Downtown San Diego, Otay Mesa to the Imperial Beach Pier, and Downtown San Diego to SDSU. And SANDAG is planning to fill in one of Southern California's biggest public transportation gaps in it's long-term plans, which is a BRT line from northern San Diego County to Riverside County. Currently, there's no real way to get to San Diego County to Riverside County via public transportation, and there are also no bus routes that connect northern San Diego County and Orange County, either (neither NCTD or OCTA have a line connecting southern Orange County and northern San Diego County, though there is one NCTD line that goes from Oceanside north through most of Camp Pendleton and winds up in San Onofre.)
And very much unlike Los Angeles' public transportation system, one thing San Diego has always lacked is bus routes to it's major theme parks, such as Sea World (only one bus line goes to Sea World, the #9), and until recent years, only one bus line served the San Diego Zoo and Balboa Park (the #7, which has always had the most frequent bus service in the San Diego area) until the BRT #215 line from Downtown San Diego to SDSU came along. There's also a major resort hotel and water park being built at the Chula Vista Marina, which is scheduled to open around the middle of next year, and there's currently no bus service to the Chula Vista Marina (there's also no public transportation that goes to the Olympic Training Center in east Chula Vista).
The fact that Balboa Park isn't served by rail is INSANE! It's the greatest urban park in the US with a RIDICULOUS density of museums. Traffic at the park is TERRIBLE!
@@PASH3227 In fact, until recent years, the ONLY public transportation line that really served Balboa Park was the MTS #7 bus, which has always had the most frequent service of any bus line in San Diego, and one that, from my experience going back to the mid-80s, has always used articulated buses. In fact, I went to Roosevelt Middle School, which is in Balboa Park, for a while in 1985, and used the #7 to go from downtown (I was staying at a sketchy hotel in downtown S.D. at the time) to get to Roosevelt Middle School. But it isn't surprising that Balboa Park isn't served by rail, if for no other reason than it's location.
But in more recent years, a BRT line, the #215, was added to compliment the #7, giving Balboa Park and the San Diego Zoo rapid transit service, with two stops in Balboa Park, one at the Naval Medical Center and the other one at San Diego Zoo (it doesn't stop at the other stops the #7 bus stops at on Park Blvd.).
Hey Nick! Love this update and your Bluesky ambitions. Regarding your T-Line idea into Echo Park, I made a proposal on r/LAMetro that had a potential Dodger Stadium station serve the intersection of Vin Scully/ Sunset instead of boring directly into the ravine for an onsite Dodger Stadium stop (though I would vastly prefer that option) - this mitigates having to deal with McCourt and keeps the station to Sunset, however, the station would still be about half a mile away and at the foot of the stadium and is consistent with Metro’s envisioning of being fully underground heading north from Little Tokyo > Union Station > Future expansion (with also not serving the Chinatown station). Thoughts?
I'm not an LA local, just a transit enthusiast, so I lack a lot of context for these videos, but one of the things I think you've gotten wrong here is the decision to not route the LRT through the streetcar tracks into Orange County. LRT and streetcars are technically extremely similar, so if the LRT was previously able to use the right of way, it should still be able to share it with the streetcar. You may need to build two platforms per station to account for the differing floor heights (though I'm unclear on which floor height the LRT would use since it's hypothetical), but otherwise the issues of track geometry and such shouldn't prevent you from interlining there
The problem with interlining with the street car is that the section in downtown Santa Ana is on the same ROW as cars. The streetcars are also not going to be very fast and I wouldn't put it past some dudebro in a pickup to think it would be funny to hold up a streetcar..
That's fair, but it's also possible to separate the streetcars out, plus you could still run on the off-street Pacific Electric ROW and find a way into the train station from the end of that rather than building more infrastructure elsewhere
Even though I don't live in Hollywood Hills West anymore, a Sunset/Gardner station would have been my home station. I dreamed up the exact T-Line you propose, years ago. I wanted a direct way to DTLA, with stop options in Echo Park /Silver Lake, as well as along SMB in southern hollywood. Plus, I went up to Studio City so much I wanted a better way as the buses and traffic in the Cahuenga Pass (or trying to death ride a bike) is horrible there. And lastly, having it go toward Sherman Oak where my BF (at the time) lived made me want a line that didn't reroute me from being between WeHo and Hollywood, to the B-Line or the future K-Line extention to WeHo (which i would use a LOT) that I would need to transfer to the N/S line going under UCLA to get to Sherman Oaks. BUILD THE T-LINE NOW !
EDIT: Additionally a fast way from where I was by Runyon Canyon to Glendale or Burbank would have also been a 'god-sent'. The bus lines just took too long.
5:40 from Burbank to LAUS it is obvious that a 6 track corridor is a need. Having HSR share on anything north of LAUS creates delays. Metrolink should than have it’s 2 tracks and 2 more for freight/Metrolink shared. Trying to have 6 converge to 4 in Burbank would be bad.
Being a girl dad is the best! Totally worth the lack of sleep😊
Amazing video, it fills me with (painful) hope haha. Am freaking out seeing transit near where i grew up near the Trask stop in Garden Grove, and all the places across OC and LA I struggled to access with transit.
I wanted to point out that OCTA seems like theyre going back and forth between planning a higher quality East-West corridor on Chapman or Garden Grove Bvld. The current idea seems to start at the Orange Metrolink on Chapman and running west until either the Outlets at State College or up to Harbor, then scooting south to continue west along Garden Grove Bvld.
That hits some tourist and shopping points along with the majority of density along Chapman.
Going west along GGBVLD from Harbor (though close to the Westminster route) hits "downtown" Garden Grove, GG's Koreatown and the edge of Little Saigon, and the start of a stretch between Brookhurst and Beach that the housing element has targeted for some serious development (and Rodeo 39 is there too). From there, that would allow easy access to the 22 to get to Long Beach and 7th.
@nandert Ventura County Line: MetroLink (through VCTC) already owns the full right of way East Ventura (Montalvo) to Saugus. That was the original RR route from LA to San Francisco before the tunnels were built between Simi and Chatsworth. The tracks were removed east of Piru. The reason I love your content is because I did a similar, much smaller in scope, documentary on this stuff about 17 years ago where I learned that fact. I've been into this stuff since I was a teenager when I got on a community board in another metro area and essentially designed the transit system in use today . . . now 30 years out of date. I'll probably comment more.
I'd be interested in seeing your work, and maybe some insights on how it all came together, what problems you encountered, etc.
@@taxirob2248 It was up on youtube until I was advised to take it down not politically but commercially to push viewership on another, now defunct video service. Now I have to see if I can find the file (I've got hundreds of terabytes of drives here).
We need this, all of it.
I have further suggestions for coaster service rather than stopping at the convention center the coster could aquire the abandoned south bay branch to imperial beach and terminate there connecting another large population center onto the transit network. At the other end i think we can do better than just a camp Pendleton station we could instead aquire the former fallbrook branch traveling onto the base closer to where the barrica actually are eliminating a shuttle bus and terminating in fallbrook.
Camp Pendleton used to have trains. The current Perris line used to go south thru Temecula and out to Oceanside
REBUILD THAT TOO lol
@@lucaspadilla4815 I could see that being some sort of extension of the Coaster, seeing as Temecula (and esp. wine country) is a big draw from not only LA people but San Diego, too.
Please please look at Northern California. We need a vision like this that includes SF, OAK, SJ, and Sac! Please reach out if you're actually interested and want to connect with some good folks up here who are thinking about pieces of this but not necessarily how it all comes together.
Hey uhh... can you talk about the Downtown LA Streetcar that I just found out about, and found out that Measure M has partially funded it?
The map isn't loading for me, is there another place I can view it? Thanks
LA can almost rival New York in its local and regional transit networks. I like the idea of some of the LA MetroRail extending to its adjacent counties in San Bernardino and Orange counties. Where transit is much needed and connecting with the local transit systems, there that will really make a true regional rail. I also have to say that the BRT system is also very solid, providing those missing gaps in the entire LA region. I hope that a quarter of these plans will realistically happen. And commuter rall, intercity rail and California high speed rail connecting outside the LA area is excellent.
Thank you nandert!
There's a space for a two track infill station (and therefore passing tracks) for the San Bernardino line in the I-10 meidan between Del Mar Ave and San Gabriel Blvd. (especially if you close the Del Mar exit) that could help add capacity to the constrained portion of the SBL in the I-10 median. This is similar to the space used between Fremont Ave and Atlantic Blvd for a passing loop in the I-10 median.
Yeah… unless they take out an Expresslane (unlikely), the only true solution is replacing it with a center-running aerial double track viaduct for regional&HSR mode rail, not too unlike the Harbor Transitway on the 110. But then you still have the two single track viaducts in El Monte (one along the Rio Hondo and the other along Valley blvd to worry about). Also BNSF right of way shrinks again through Basset and Baldwin Park before widening up again around Irwindale, so eminent domain might be inevitable to a certain degree.
@@Treemaster89 The I-10 section of the SBL is a hard problem to fix. We could eliminate a lane of regular traffic, not that California DOT would ever consider that.
2 videos? in this short timespan? see u in 2025 i guess
I love you nandert but San Marino will NEVER allow anything involves public transit. But we can dream!
An underground all the way to Riverside is sm that I would love to see… but seeing the voters of Riverside county agreeing with anything the la county votes for is would be a miracle :(
> Yes this a long video, Yes I have a job, Yes I sometimes sleep
Yeah I'm gonna call BS. /jk Love this videos! You take fantasy maps to a whole another level. if you sleep now wait till we get you elected Supreme King of Southern California Transportation.
Hey, love your videos, san diean here. Sandag has been kinda sparce on info but purple line has been rerouted as of 2023. Simular alignment but diffrent. Reccomend you check out their new study once out on December
The LA Metro needs to be grade separated, Street running is a logistical issue and that's why cities started removing trolleys altogether.
Didn’t The Mamas and the Papas write a song about this plan ?? “California dreaming”. Great video.
16:04 so you're telling me just a few grade separations in Long Beach and Lakewood would make this ROW mostly grade separated?
I don't care what this would be used for these grade separations need to be pursued NOW. Long Beach airport could have a ton of rail based logistics on this corridor AND a rail connection to the airport and LA Union Station.
36:00: What about either a direct tunnel under or bridge over the businesses between the new Burbank terminal and Metro/Metrolink/HSR station? It would be a quarter-mile, which shouldn't be a problem with moving walkways. That's shorter after all than the distance between security and the farthest gate at many airport terminals. Also shorter than the existing walkway between the Burbank terminal and rental car center/Ventura Line Metrolink station.
Beautiful!
we love nandert
Why call it medium rail instead of light metro?
We have to get you elected to help get some of this done on a better timeline!
"Marines should have trains, too". Thank you for considering the crayon connoisseurs of our military.
First. Babe wake up. Nandert dropped a video.
masterpiece
I assume every local route will be operated by their respective county authorities and not brainlessly decided that LA Metro would operate every single line outside of LA County like some ignorant people to RoW and jurisdiction keeps suggesting.
21:00 I want your version of the "Meriden" line...I'm still confused by Metro plans which are less desirable since the area it passes are severally lacking in collective transit options; it's like an express Metrolink 2.0 instead of just serving those commuter neighborhoods. It's seems like a lost opportunity on Metro's part especially for commuters like myself who have no other option but to drive work.