You definitely make good points, but I feel like this video is more so "Why I dislike Soft Power Systems" rather than a look into how a System can/can not work for it's story. Each Series has its own twist on how things should run, so its kinda hard to figure out a standard. Still an interesting wacth. Would recommend.
I mean even without the soft powersystem issue ,you still have the lack of endings and multiple writers undoing the previous writers work but I get you.(Also Thanks)
@@drelixcomics That's why retcons exists for those reasons. Even wwe wrestling has those and that isn't a superhero show, but a show that has power scaling sometimes when needed.
@BeyondGodverse-z3h Big 2 Comics mainly , they never truly end ,change writers constantly therefore you get alot of inconsistencies.Indies however rarely have this problem because the team is smaller
@@drelixcomicsthat’s a problem of the western comic industry, more specifically big ones like Marvel and DC. There are different runs and you have to accept that. I feel you are expecting wrong things from the medium as it is. It’s like hoping a pizza tastes like coffee, is it possible yes, but you shouldn’t expect it. This video just ends up being you not liking the western comic industry and how it runs its stories and characters, which is fair, but your title is still inaccurate. Plus, I also feel there’s a slight misunderstanding of how the power system/magic system works in western comics. There is the major system which is the overall of the verse, and for the most it tends to stay consistent, but it could get reworked. Then there’s the individual character runs, where you see a lot more inconsistency due to different writers. Again, I get that you dislike the inconsistency, but that’s not how western comics work. Should they work differently maybe, but then they wouldn’t be what they are. The point being, if you judge different comic runs as completely the same story, you’re doing yourself and the comic run a disservice.
I’d say most superhero stories don’t really “power systems”. A lot of fantasy stories have a single source of power/magic. Also, while this is not always the case, in many fantasy stories anyone can get power/magic with a certain item or training. In superhero stories most people get their powers in unique, individual events. There are mass power-granting events like the X Gene for mutants, or the Terragen Wave for Inhumans, but most heroes/villians get their powers from completely different sources from one other. It wouldn’t make sense for Spider-Man, Moon Knight, and Blade to have most of their abilities be similar because they come from such different sources.
Are you suggesting that superhero stories don't have power systems as in movies or comics. They're are many power systems in comics. Spider man is a spider person which means he is chosen the web of life and destiny, granting him the ability to use spider magic which alone I'd it's own power system. And moonkight a avatar. My favourite power systems in fiction are devil fruits and bending for their interesting wolrd building.
@Lildoug_456 That's not what power system is. A power system refers to a system where supernatural powers can be earned through certain ways. Not everyone has to abide by them e.g devil fruits.
@@Xenotango364 I wouldn't say that Spiderman has a "power system" because his main abilities are always the same through out his journey, you don't really see him become idk a "super saying" kind of form, or progressing his abilities to become a "god" because he is only counting on his intellect and gadgetry (heck I don't think Peter Parker ever talked about having spider magic with doctor strange or anyone because the only thing "magical" about it is the history of it but that's it and its not really relevant anyways). As for moon knight, heck it is really complicated in some comic issues Khonshu is a real moon god or the god Khonshu is not a supernatural being, but rather a mental construct of Marc Spector and it's not even consistent, but I like it either way
@WOW-yd3uf that's a cool viewpoint, but not ever power system requires a 'super saiayan' like form. Any supernatural powers that possess a common link is a power system. For instance, all mutants, no matter if they're omega down to the zetas. They all possess the common traits of having an xgene no matter if the abilities vary from accessing metaphysical planes to altering elements and whatnot. Same applies with ghost riders where they have been under the influence of demons, symbiote must all originate from knull and even the poison race must ( I can't remember to well) spawn from the poison's queen commands. All spider people are chosen by the spider god, which ensures they're linked with their supernatural powers- a power system. Moon knight may have trouble I'm recognising khonsu but nevertheless khonsu is still a God marc derives his powers from, like any other avatar which embodies the ideology of whatever God wishes to protect them ( yet again, another power). I hope you understand that superhero stories do, and they might go unrecognised for simply being diverse and branched out they are.
Dude, you would have the same problem if Shonen Jump as a whole, had their characters exist in one Universe and interact with each other. A green Lantern book explores the power system of the Emotional Spectrum, there are rules like, well, Lanterns... each ring requires a way to charge and re-charge them among other things... If you pick up a John Constantine book, you're already in a completely different genre where magic, curses, voodoo, and all things Supernatural exist... And again, there are rules to the power systems explored. If you pick up a Thor comic, you get to learn about rune magic, the Odin force among others... Black Panther explores Vibranium as a power system, Blade explores Vampirism, Moon Knight explores ancient gods and history and so on. They ALL exist in one universe, and so when an author for a whole SAGA decides to use many characters from completely different backgrounds with very unique power systems, that's where if you're not exactly familiar with each character's lore, you'd be overwhelmed or feel as though nothing makes sense. It would be like Sponge Bob, Team Avatar, Timmy Turner, and like 20 other Nickelodeon characters, coming together to form a team to fight against a huge threat threat. Or like, Goku, Naruto, Gon, Ichigo, Denji, Frieren, Simone, Vampire D, Alita Battle Angel, Bobo, and Ash teaming up against some villain... You wouldn't call out the fact that only Ichigo has a Zanpakutou or how Frieren uses a wand and Simone has a fricking Mech or that Bobo tells jokes and breaks the 4th Wall every 2 minutes that he's on screen. This isn't an issue, you simply do not understand the power systems explored in DC and Marvel... You talk about time travel and dimensional travel like it's a bad thing when some of the best power systems in Manga all have this power... Be it Fire Force, Bleach, Dragonball, Naruto, One Piece, Hunter X Hunter, 7DS, Undead Unluck and so on. Yes, often times the authors use jargon like "Quantum " but that's only when it's a science based power system being used, Mxyzptlk doesn't time travel through Quantum mechanics, he does by imagination, Dr. Manhattan is your Quantum guy and so on. Of course, the movies streamline everything because they don't have the time to explore every bit of lore and detail about a power system, and almost all the examples you gave (that being the Quirks system from MHA) is not a power system in the fantastical sense, it is one of mutation or evolution. That's the category that the X-Men, Spider-man and some of the Mutants and Meta-humans from DC and Marvel fall under. Devil Fruit users, Titan Shifters, and even Pokemon fall under this same category... By the way, that is where Flying Bison like Appa and some of the evolved animals in Avatar would also fall... Unlike humans who, some are non-benders, ALL Flying Bison are airbenders... It's in their name, they literally evolved to be able to bend the air around them biologically... Going by your logic, it would be inconsistent because not ALL humans are benders, yet, ALL Flying Bison are benders. A power system may be soft or hard, that doesn't mean one is better than the other. Avatar has a hard magic system, and yet there are rare bending types like combusting bending, glass bending, energy bending, spirit bending, blood bending and so on. There are also spirits that have their own unique supernatural powers as well, like having the ability to steal faces, or having all the knowledge in the world and so on. This is all just to say that, IF you go looking for reasons to dislike a power system, you WILL find inconsistencies be they valid or invalid... And you shouldn't just look on the surface and judge power systems, you need to put each one in the right context. A Dr. Strange comic explores Magic in Marvel better than an Avengers comic or movie ever could, so don't write Marvel and DC off as having bad power systems just because other stories put so much effort into exploring their power systems in a self-contained easy to digest narrative. What works for Avatar may not work for Spiderman and vice-versa, but both are great stories in their own right... You don't need a suffisticated power system to tell good stories. Where Avatar may have a better power system, Spiderman may have better world building.
1:17 you have to remember why super powers are so disjointed. It’s the simple fact that not all these superheroes and powers were originally linked but rather a result of comic companies acquiring more properties and wanting to tie them together
I think the best way to go about making a great power system is to have a good understanding of what your stories theme is. For example for my first novel “The Collective: Forsaken Faith” the main theme is “identity” so the power-system in turn revolves around the characters core personality.
Really only thing I can agree with is just comic books, and this is more of an issue with the medium. There’s never an ending to comic books, henceforth you get a lot of issues that come from having such a massive story, retcons, inconsistency, and lack of detail or too much detail as in adding a new power unearned. Pretty easy to see with Superman, Flash or Batman with just how much they varied in terms of power and a narrative sense in the story. The only way to really have the “ideal” power system like in Avatar is just for the story to end and not be too long or too short. Will say comic book writers themselves already know about the issue a you brought up henceforth they have editors to try and keep track of all the things they’ve done or as much as they can. I recall this being the reason for Crisis on Infinite Earths being made, just because of how it used to be free for all however lead to many issues as no one was keeping track of what was going on. For a long running series there can’t really be an ideal power system just by its very nature. Really after while given these similar powers it does start to allow for interesting fights if they meet others with similar power.
That's why with mainstream comics the best way to read it is to ignore previous runs unless the current run directly relates to it in some form or manner and even then you usually just need a brief understanding of what happened.
To be honest, i think most superhero universe do not have power system actually cos like one guy said there is no particular source of power. Plus we should also remember that this superheroes are of a separate books each coming together in one universe, but most manga characters are from one book having same source of abilities
I suppose a simplification of it is that most of the time in DC and Marvel, they don't have SYSTEMS, they have POWERS, and not much interconnecting thread between them that doesn’t contradict each other.
Tbh I don’t understand what your argument was against MHA, getting into UA isn’t about who is more powerful, there were several ways to pass the exam, destroying robots, making the robots unable to function, immobilize the robots and rescue points, in the case of mineta he got in by immobilizing robots and also the classes are divided randomly its not based on power, and MHA does establish limits and requirements to quirks
Both approaches have their strength and weaknesses depending on how they produced and format the product, Marvel and DC are produced to be released basically indefinitely if they were to have a power system like Avatar it wouldn't work because the product would eventually get predictable when it comes to the action.
7:58 no theme, thank you. I noticed that in one piece haki is linked to personal experiences. Most people in the series want to do something, in real life you need grit (amour haki) , foresight (observation haki) and willpower (conquerors haki). This way the theme of being free to pursue ones dreams and personal experiences correlate with the haki power system.
What I learned from this Video and those in the comments: Just do your own thing. There's a market for everyone and you shouldn't just continously copy someone else's skeleton of a Power-System because you fear it not standing up to collective influence. You wanna make a Power System that has defined rules and structures for organic and tense fights? That's your jam. Want a System that delves into more character centric conflicts and ties into many themes of the setting? Go right on ahead. At the end of the day we're all just penning cool Powers onto Characters, and it's up to you or the author how they choose to have those powers influence the story as a whole. So I can't really knock any Power-System as being "bad". They can be misused or underutilized, for sure, but not terrible.
5:32 why would this be a huge leap in power scaling? The important tool Batman would need to do what you said is "KNOWLEDGE" not "POWER". Except if you think Batman shouldn't be that smart, this isn't really an inconsistency.
2:32, While this can work for a setting that is filled with super-beings of varying origin, it shouldn't be used for every kind of setting. Optic blasts, for instance, is a very specific super-attribute that in some setting is just portrayed on its own (like Superman and Scott Summers), but in others, is treated is treated as an application of a larger super-attribute like energy projection (like how Qi Users in Dragon Ball can shoot energy from any part of their body because manipulating q into different forms in an integral part of that story's power system).
Yeah that's actually true - but that was really because of a specific run (shout out to Geoff Johns) Like I mentioned in the video, mainstream superhero stories have the "multiple writers" issue ,where a new writer will eventually come along and undo the previous writers work.That power system is only canon until the next guy undoes it.
You have also Star Wars with the concept of "The Force" every ability used have a deep meaning and have limits, and also I love the ones in every stories if you have a kind of power it must be first study and then mastery and I love such these concepts and also Avatar The Last Air Bender and Star Wars The Power limts and I like that actually because that will push the Protagonist to his limits in power and used his skills like fighting in Sword and other weapons.
I feel like the Mutants from Marvel wasn’t a very good example for a power system with no theme. Because it’s not like it’s supposed to. The whole point of the system is that it’s random and almost a lottery in a way
@@elcalabozodelandroide2Dude, you don’t know what your talking about and the thing is people would say Quirks is a good power system even though it’s the same shit as the X Gene, actually read a comic before judging it and not based on other’s opinion that probably doesn’t know what they are talking about entirely, plus X-Men has a theme, it’s based on the Civil Rights movement and I feel like you can get an opinion from just that alone and don’t say that bs of “It’s too woke” because I can bring up anime examples
I see a lot of people saying that some of these universes don't have power systems, when that's definitely not the case. There are rulesets that inform how those powers are used, even if they are imprecise or later retconned. A universe can also have more than one power system. In fact I love the mistborn trilogy for precisely this reason. I don't have any issue with soft power systems, but I absolutely agree with Sanderson's take that your ability to solve problems with your magic system should ideally scale to the level of understanding your audience has for that power system. It's why, in my opinion, a Superman story that purely relies on his strength is uninteresting, not because an impossibly strong character is inherently boring (see OPM or Dr Manhattan), but because the system determining Superman's strength is so soft that almost anyone can shrug and go "I dunno, i guess he just punches harder."
Hi drelix I’m a big fan and I’m making my own comic, remember that video you made of redesigning your old characters? I was wondering if was fine if I use your old designs?
Thank you. A power system that is delved into makes the strength of characters feel earned. In stuff like MHA, you know there are people who will never be shit.
To be fair, MHA doesn't really ask the question "How does the system as a whole will work" and instead "How can I take an ability to its absolute limit"
@allforone3427 It don't mean that some abilities will ever match up to Hell flame, One for all. If you aren't born like that, you can't be one of the dogs. Simple
@@Abundance100 I mean, and? Like is a power system only good if you're as strong as everybody else, and everybody has the same potential, or if you're the most powerful? Where's the fun without the creativity, or the experimenting?
@allforone3427 I get it but It just feels like a cop out in cases when the character suddenly gets a random power up only they can. I guess it depends on the message of the series sometimes.
@@Abundance100 Personally I feel like that's a strength of the Series, because it makes it feel earned when they get power up. Since there's no baseline to go off of everyone has to find out themselves what their capable of. Like look at Mirio. Bro's power is legit trash, but through training and experimenting he rose above his expectations. It keeps you on your toes, asking "What else can they do?"
The problem is neither the power systems, nor the genre. The problem is poor and immature storytelling. It's the innability to maintain consistency in concepts and ideas. They try to make up for this deficiency with more flare, more drama hence they increase in power.
10:34 question about central theme; What would your opinion be on a central theme that a specific group of characters share thats not shared by all characters of the story?
He is a simpleton, the power system in avatar broke literaly in the last episodes. (Korra just finished it off) He considers themes vital to a power system more than anything else which is basicaly a stroke to his own ego.
@ exactly, like Mineta is a great example of that. His power is just super sticky balls and yet he has made it into one of the best schools with a limited and mundane power. MHA limits its characters while and the same time giving them so much variety.
The reason why it’s inconsistent is most superhero stuff is like decades old at least from DC and Marvel and also from them they have so many different ways to get powers that I can’t list them. The longer something has to go on for the more inconsistent It has to be to keep things interesting.
It does matter because then everything becomes inconsistent and it ruins the stakes and the enjoyment when the character suddenly has abilities and can never use them again. You never know what the hero can and can’t do because it changes each time. At that point don't make a specific character but create a random one each fight.
@@sweetxjcYou’re acting like Superhero’s just pull powers out of a hat or like other genres like Western Fantasy and anime don’t have inconsistencies. That’s just not true. At the end of the day, these are stories and authors are going to do things that service the story. They’re not real worlds that run on their own ecosystem.
@@Jay_SGETbf superheroes do just pull out super powers out of nowhere sometimes. And like the guy said it just makes everything feel pointless. Manga has inconsistencies too but at least they manage to set up a system with rules and limitations.
@@coal4208 That they break all the time. Fighting is the least important thing in a superhero story. They don’t need to have an intricate system. Not everything has to work like manga. Also manga usually relies on ONE system. Whereas there are multiple in comics which just makes things more interesting. I don’t understand how you can say it makes things pointless when manga characters always have “trump cards.” If a hero has electric powers until they’ve evolve or it’s stated otherwise. Those powers have limitations and rules. Sometimes a character might realise they can do more with the power set but that’s it.
Well in fact even the comic books have power systems detailled power systems, we call it origine stories , even villains have it, one can be a alien, another could have his powers from a failed experment, another can have his powers from magic, or mutation which is a subsection of power system on it's own , it's not random, it's most likely that the comics about the origines of these villains was published 30 or 40 years ago and you wouldn't know
This is very informative between the differences of a Power System and a Power Source. Thank you for this video. Also i agree on too many different writers making characters powers inconsistent. My example is in the last season of My Adventures with Superman. When he was fighting Kara after their first meeting at a studio. During that fight he randomly gains the ability use his Freeze Breathe against her Heat Vision and didn't use it for the rest of the season... which feels slightly pointless though i think the writers tried to save themselves by having that Brainiac see this and go oh yes i want his powers. When Kara can do the samething.
But honestly if everyone/most ppl had the same/similar powers, the story would be less entertaining (for me), like sure it works for some shows and anime but limiting it to one sector only is annoying for me tbh, I like exploring different parts and they dont always have to go in depth although it would be appreciated.
This video is a perfect example of comparing apples to oranges Although you make some good points you're at the end of the day comparing avatar to the entire DC/Marvel universe They don't work the same way There is no general power system connecting every power in the DC/Marvel universe because it wouldn't work You say powers are contrived even though there are already detailed comics explaining every hero's backstory and powers which is another thing The DC universe is a collection of character who have their own sorta universe It's a universe for a universe that interconnect It's a interconnecting group of stories But you're using the standards of avatar which is just a singular story to judge it It just wouldn't work Having a different writers is nessesary for DC/Marvel to function because the universe is endless Writers exist to bring new perspectives to the universe,to expand it But in avatar, the story has a predetermined end because that's how the story was structured Think of the many superman stories we've had , would they have existed without having different writers? No I believe there are genuine criticism for DC/Marvel but this isn't it
yo! don't burst our bubble! we're learning how to control the elements. It only took Aang how many years? We're past 2 minutes meditating now so we're almost there😅
I feel Avatar the last Airbender is very underrated. The creators limited the power system which forced the characters to be creative with the little they had. Heck, there was almost no episode where each characters fought and the fight wasn't novel or interesting. And that was because of the new things they could do with just what they had
Haters gonna say there's no power system in comics To that I'll say "one punch man" it does everything wrong but guess what, the narrative doesn't support ruining everything with a convenient power.
I think what you were trying to say is that DC/marvel don’t have a main power system and technically that’s the whole point there is no limits to what kind of powers abilities you can get you literally have reality warping entities,gods, higher dimensional beings, more Gods And omnipotent entities in both series and I have a problem with your reasoning is that you’re comparing shonen like avatar the last Airbender who do have a main power system, and then taking powers from superheroes in DC/marvel and putting them into last Airbender which of course isn’t going to work (although technically time is a element) it just doesn’t fit in the plot of the story
Its funny that DB is the one everyone points when the word "power creep" is been said. While i don't disagree that Ki dors define the better one people forget that Toriyama didn't stuck with the idea of continuing the "power levels," heck, i wouldn't be crazy if he only used it as a joke. often people say that 'Ki' is kind of a soft power system (which i don't blame them for) because its mostly explained im guides aproved by the autor. I do understand why people think God ki becomes useless tho.
@@Dr.Infin8ty3810because he's dunking on superhero power systems, when they're not built to have them. "Too many powers" and "no central the,e" isn't a good argument as he's looking at Marvel and DC as a whole. Spider-man didn't need a theme, it had a message and just had spider powers on a struggling teen-adult to show it, but it's a good story regardless. Green Lantern DOES have a theme with different emotions powering different colors, but he's not viewing the Green Lantern solos stories (which is how Gl started out), he is viewing ALL of DC with folks like Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter. Of course it won't have a theme because they weren't originally supposed to be together. And more modern stories where they give characters random powers (a.k.a. a "soft magic system") don't have the powers be the defining part of the story (the only story I dislike having a soft syatem is MHA becuase some people are just useless while others are gods), but it's the messages and characters that define the story. This even works for Justice League and Avengers because the powers aren't what defines the story. He praises Nen from H×H even though it's technically random powers with extra steps. Sure, there's a good reason that no one could make lightning like Killua because not everyone was tortrued by lightning when they were a kid. But why don't more people with nen copy Hisoka's bungee gum? He flat out states the properties of both rubber and gum all the time and there is almost no one near to having a nen ability similar to his even though it's super easy if you're also a transmuter. Nen is a "hard" magic system, sure, but how hard can it be if every chimera ant is just another specialist type? Nen does not defy H×H, but it serves the story well. In Avatar: The Last Airbender has a hard magic system. Bending is clearly a big part of the story and the entire world is built around bending (literally). And bending also don't tell us who the characters are as someone who's stubborn and irritable can have water bending (Korra) while someone chill even before they were everyone's favorite can have fire (Iroh). Iroh explains that the nations are "this" kind of people, sure, but that's just culture and helps explain how to bend their element, but doesn't mean that being a bender of that element means you inherit that personality. Why did I say all of this? F if I know, i think i went way off-track. But the point is, superhero stories don't have a "bad power system", because they don't have one in the first place. And his gripes are just examples of bad writing rather than bad power systems
Mhhh I love avatar but I have my take on some bending limitations like earth bending. I don’t know if there’s a range to how far you have to be to make earth erupt from the ground, but man I mean you could start a fight and boom opponent’s legs are stuck with earth and bam ko😂
Cool video i'm currently writing a video gamed Superhero who can use all sorts of weapons and other things from the whole video game genre and if you could i'd like to find out how to make the powers not so op and actually have his abilities balanced but with the possibility of evolving and becoming stronger List of powers: energy constructs (for video game weapons and items) High tech armor (Which comes out of a wearable gauntlet i call a power glove which is a video game reference) Artificial intelligence Ultimate form (a transformation my character unlocks at the end of the story) Video game skills (implant in brain which gives eyes a specific color and allows them to play games like a pro) Level up system (has to level up to grow in power and unlock other powers) Now if you have any other questions about him respond to this comment. 🎮
Extra info: This character lives in a world full of other superheroes that also takes place in the 2030's with advanced technology and our main character gets his power glove from a secretly evil company and uses his new powers to help people and have fun but eventually starts to try and learn the sinister history of the company and discover the reason for his scientific uncle's disappearance
I have a character with a similar power set. Though they are in a different setting, I think the balancing I came up with works for yours aswell. I did it by limiting what my hero can use and what game he can access. To adjust for your leveling idea, I think he could be unlocking something like Minecraft in the early levels and God of War in higher levels, or not being able to use diamond tools and enchantments because his level is too low. Hope this helps get the pot stirring on your ideas, and it sounds like you've got a cool world in development. I wish you the best of luck in working on it.
The main thing they have over Marvel and DC is consistency, because when u keep inputting lots of different powers in the same setting, they start to break the cohesion of the world (the mystical portions of DC and Marvel have always felt the most lackluster).
Yeah u do have a point fantasy anime or shows often get there power systems right while ones involving in modern eras are all over the place oof lol XD
Lots of them do. It's just when u force all of em into one setting, like DC and Marvel, it all just contradicts and overshadows one another, like how there are barely any Kryptonian, Amazonian, or Lantern Corps focused plots in Justice League stories.
I have read the comics -I'm literally an invincible fanboy - It's still an amazing story don't get me wrong but in general superhero power systems aren't as consistent as Fantasy and Shonen power systems and that's an undeniable fact
@@drelixcomics I agree on the power system, but the entire point is about the time travel part where a future team of guardians of the globe came to save Mark and future Eve told him her real feelings a very big time altering event that later down the line payed off in the story.
@@drelixcomics on another note I would treat the power system as world building event if it's tied to the characters making a balanced powersystem for immersion into the story goes out the window if the narrative is tampered, for example what happened to He-man.
You definitely make good points, but I feel like this video is more so "Why I dislike Soft Power Systems" rather than a look into how a System can/can not work for it's story. Each Series has its own twist on how things should run, so its kinda hard to figure out a standard. Still an interesting wacth. Would recommend.
I mean even without the soft powersystem issue ,you still have the lack of endings and multiple writers undoing the previous writers work but I get you.(Also Thanks)
@@drelixcomics can you give us an example ?
@@drelixcomics That's why retcons exists for those reasons. Even wwe wrestling has those and that isn't a superhero show, but a show that has power scaling sometimes when needed.
@BeyondGodverse-z3h Big 2 Comics mainly , they never truly end ,change writers constantly therefore you get alot of inconsistencies.Indies however rarely have this problem because the team is smaller
@@drelixcomicsthat’s a problem of the western comic industry, more specifically big ones like Marvel and DC. There are different runs and you have to accept that.
I feel you are expecting wrong things from the medium as it is. It’s like hoping a pizza tastes like coffee, is it possible yes, but you shouldn’t expect it.
This video just ends up being you not liking the western comic industry and how it runs its stories and characters, which is fair, but your title is still inaccurate.
Plus, I also feel there’s a slight misunderstanding of how the power system/magic system works in western comics.
There is the major system which is the overall of the verse, and for the most it tends to stay consistent, but it could get reworked.
Then there’s the individual character runs, where you see a lot more inconsistency due to different writers.
Again, I get that you dislike the inconsistency, but that’s not how western comics work. Should they work differently maybe, but then they wouldn’t be what they are.
The point being, if you judge different comic runs as completely the same story, you’re doing yourself and the comic run a disservice.
I’d say most superhero stories don’t really “power systems”. A lot of fantasy stories have a single source of power/magic. Also, while this is not always the case, in many fantasy stories anyone can get power/magic with a certain item or training. In superhero stories most people get their powers in unique, individual events. There are mass power-granting events like the X Gene for mutants, or the Terragen Wave for Inhumans, but most heroes/villians get their powers from completely different sources from one other. It wouldn’t make sense for Spider-Man, Moon Knight, and Blade to have most of their abilities be similar because they come from such different sources.
Are you suggesting that superhero stories don't have power systems as in movies or comics. They're are many power systems in comics. Spider man is a spider person which means he is chosen the web of life and destiny, granting him the ability to use spider magic which alone I'd it's own power system. And moonkight a avatar. My favourite power systems in fiction are devil fruits and bending for their interesting wolrd building.
@@Xenotango364 still isn’t a power system, it has to be an over arching system that all heroes and villains get their powers from.
@Lildoug_456 That's not what power system is. A power system refers to a system where supernatural powers can be earned through certain ways. Not everyone has to abide by them e.g devil fruits.
@@Xenotango364 I wouldn't say that Spiderman has a "power system" because his main abilities are always the same through out his journey, you don't really see him become idk a "super saying" kind of form, or progressing his abilities to become a "god" because he is only counting on his intellect and gadgetry (heck I don't think Peter Parker ever talked about having spider magic with doctor strange or anyone because the only thing "magical" about it is the history of it but that's it and its not really relevant anyways).
As for moon knight, heck it is really complicated in some comic issues Khonshu is a real moon god or the god Khonshu is not a supernatural being, but rather a mental construct of Marc Spector and it's not even consistent, but I like it either way
@WOW-yd3uf that's a cool viewpoint, but not ever power system requires a 'super saiayan' like form. Any supernatural powers that possess a common link is a power system. For instance, all mutants, no matter if they're omega down to the zetas. They all possess the common traits of having an xgene no matter if the abilities vary from accessing metaphysical planes to altering elements and whatnot. Same applies with ghost riders where they have been under the influence of demons, symbiote must all originate from knull and even the poison race must ( I can't remember to well) spawn from the poison's queen commands. All spider people are chosen by the spider god, which ensures they're linked with their supernatural powers- a power system. Moon knight may have trouble I'm recognising khonsu but nevertheless khonsu is still a God marc derives his powers from, like any other avatar which embodies the ideology of whatever God wishes to protect them ( yet again, another power). I hope you understand that superhero stories do, and they might go unrecognised for simply being diverse and branched out they are.
DC and marvel doesn’t have power systems. They have superpowers the differences power systems have rules and superpowers don’t
They do have power systems but are mostly individualistic for the most part but their are power systems like the lantern rings in DC.
@gangofheroes don't forget the speed force
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Dude, you would have the same problem if Shonen Jump as a whole, had their characters exist in one Universe and interact with each other.
A green Lantern book explores the power system of the Emotional Spectrum, there are rules like, well, Lanterns... each ring requires a way to charge and re-charge them among other things...
If you pick up a John Constantine book, you're already in a completely different genre where magic, curses, voodoo, and all things Supernatural exist... And again, there are rules to the power systems explored.
If you pick up a Thor comic, you get to learn about rune magic, the Odin force among others...
Black Panther explores Vibranium as a power system, Blade explores Vampirism, Moon Knight explores ancient gods and history and so on.
They ALL exist in one universe, and so when an author for a whole SAGA decides to use many characters from completely different backgrounds with very unique power systems, that's where if you're not exactly familiar with each character's lore, you'd be overwhelmed or feel as though nothing makes sense.
It would be like Sponge Bob, Team Avatar, Timmy Turner, and like 20 other Nickelodeon characters, coming together to form a team to fight against a huge threat threat.
Or like, Goku, Naruto, Gon, Ichigo, Denji, Frieren, Simone, Vampire D, Alita Battle Angel, Bobo, and Ash teaming up against some villain...
You wouldn't call out the fact that only Ichigo has a Zanpakutou or how Frieren uses a wand and Simone has a fricking Mech or that Bobo tells jokes and breaks the 4th Wall every 2 minutes that he's on screen.
This isn't an issue, you simply do not understand the power systems explored in DC and Marvel...
You talk about time travel and dimensional travel like it's a bad thing when some of the best power systems in Manga all have this power... Be it Fire Force, Bleach, Dragonball, Naruto, One Piece, Hunter X Hunter, 7DS, Undead Unluck and so on.
Yes, often times the authors use jargon like "Quantum " but that's only when it's a science based power system being used, Mxyzptlk doesn't time travel through Quantum mechanics, he does by imagination, Dr. Manhattan is your Quantum guy and so on.
Of course, the movies streamline everything because they don't have the time to explore every bit of lore and detail about a power system, and almost all the examples you gave (that being the Quirks system from MHA) is not a power system in the fantastical sense, it is one of mutation or evolution. That's the category that the X-Men, Spider-man and some of the Mutants and Meta-humans from DC and Marvel fall under.
Devil Fruit users, Titan Shifters, and even Pokemon fall under this same category... By the way, that is where Flying Bison like Appa and some of the evolved animals in Avatar would also fall... Unlike humans who, some are non-benders, ALL Flying Bison are airbenders... It's in their name, they literally evolved to be able to bend the air around them biologically... Going by your logic, it would be inconsistent because not ALL humans are benders, yet, ALL Flying Bison are benders.
A power system may be soft or hard, that doesn't mean one is better than the other. Avatar has a hard magic system, and yet there are rare bending types like combusting bending, glass bending, energy bending, spirit bending, blood bending and so on.
There are also spirits that have their own unique supernatural powers as well, like having the ability to steal faces, or having all the knowledge in the world and so on.
This is all just to say that, IF you go looking for reasons to dislike a power system, you WILL find inconsistencies be they valid or invalid... And you shouldn't just look on the surface and judge power systems, you need to put each one in the right context.
A Dr. Strange comic explores Magic in Marvel better than an Avengers comic or movie ever could, so don't write Marvel and DC off as having bad power systems just because other stories put so much effort into exploring their power systems in a self-contained easy to digest narrative.
What works for Avatar may not work for Spiderman and vice-versa, but both are great stories in their own right... You don't need a suffisticated power system to tell good stories. Where Avatar may have a better power system, Spiderman may have better world building.
Thank you, I couldn't say it better myself.
Thank you! Now I can just like your comment instead of writing all that.
You get it
Don’t need to watch anymore, excellently said, could be a video in itself
1:17 you have to remember why super powers are so disjointed. It’s the simple fact that not all these superheroes and powers were originally linked but rather a result of comic companies acquiring more properties and wanting to tie them together
I think the best way to go about making a great power system is to have a good understanding of what your stories theme is. For example for my first novel “The Collective: Forsaken Faith” the main theme is “identity” so the power-system in turn revolves around the characters core personality.
Really only thing I can agree with is just comic books, and this is more of an issue with the medium.
There’s never an ending to comic books, henceforth you get a lot of issues that come from having such a massive story, retcons, inconsistency, and lack of detail or too much detail as in adding a new power unearned. Pretty easy to see with Superman, Flash or Batman with just how much they varied in terms of power and a narrative sense in the story.
The only way to really have the “ideal” power system like in Avatar is just for the story to end and not be too long or too short.
Will say comic book writers themselves already know about the issue a you brought up henceforth they have editors to try and keep track of all the things they’ve done or as much as they can. I recall this being the reason for Crisis on Infinite Earths being made, just because of how it used to be free for all however lead to many issues as no one was keeping track of what was going on.
For a long running series there can’t really be an ideal power system just by its very nature. Really after while given these similar powers it does start to allow for interesting fights if they meet others with similar power.
That's actually a valid point - especially the lack of endings in Mainstream comics
That's why with mainstream comics the best way to read it is to ignore previous runs unless the current run directly relates to it in some form or manner and even then you usually just need a brief understanding of what happened.
To be honest, i think most superhero universe do not have power system actually cos like one guy said there is no particular source of power. Plus we should also remember that this superheroes are of a separate books each coming together in one universe, but most manga characters are from one book having same source of abilities
I suppose a simplification of it is that most of the time in DC and Marvel, they don't have SYSTEMS, they have POWERS, and not much interconnecting thread between them that doesn’t contradict each other.
Never understood that was so serious thing i should focus on, how ever thanks man. Really interesting pov
Tbh I don’t understand what your argument was against MHA, getting into UA isn’t about who is more powerful, there were several ways to pass the exam, destroying robots, making the robots unable to function, immobilize the robots and rescue points, in the case of mineta he got in by immobilizing robots and also the classes are divided randomly its not based on power, and MHA does establish limits and requirements to quirks
I think you scratched the surface of some of these issues but i found some of your argument inconsistent and repetitive
What are they
Superman once towed a whole solar system with a chain connecting the planets, let that sink in
Yep,this is the exact thing I was talking about
Man this overthinking takes the fun out of comic books. Everything has to be so precise. That’s boring
Both approaches have their strength and weaknesses depending on how they produced and format the product, Marvel and DC are produced to be released basically indefinitely if they were to have a power system like Avatar it wouldn't work because the product would eventually get predictable when it comes to the action.
7:58 no theme, thank you. I noticed that in one piece haki is linked to personal experiences. Most people in the series want to do something, in real life you need grit (amour haki) , foresight (observation haki) and willpower (conquerors haki).
This way the theme of being free to pursue ones dreams and personal experiences correlate with the haki power system.
What I learned from this Video and those in the comments:
Just do your own thing.
There's a market for everyone and you shouldn't just continously copy someone else's skeleton of a Power-System because you fear it not standing up to collective influence.
You wanna make a Power System that has defined rules and structures for organic and tense fights?
That's your jam.
Want a System that delves into more character centric conflicts and ties into many themes of the setting?
Go right on ahead.
At the end of the day we're all just penning cool Powers onto Characters, and it's up to you or the author how they choose to have those powers influence the story as a whole.
So I can't really knock any Power-System as being "bad".
They can be misused or underutilized, for sure, but not terrible.
The speed force definitely needs some nerfing
Dawg, it's comics... When did they ever nerfed something for an actual good reason?
@luisfernan-s7731 they don't, they just make speed force users behave incompetently or use them poorly to create drama
5:32 why would this be a huge leap in power scaling?
The important tool Batman would need to do what you said is "KNOWLEDGE" not "POWER". Except if you think Batman shouldn't be that smart, this isn't really an inconsistency.
2:32, While this can work for a setting that is filled with super-beings of varying origin, it shouldn't be used for every kind of setting.
Optic blasts, for instance, is a very specific super-attribute that in some setting is just portrayed on its own (like Superman and Scott Summers), but in others, is treated is treated as an application of a larger super-attribute like energy projection (like how Qi Users in Dragon Ball can shoot energy from any part of their body because manipulating q into different forms in an integral part of that story's power system).
Green Lantern has a good powersystem Tho with all the different Lantern Corps colours being fueled by different Emotions
Yeah that's actually true - but that was really because of a specific run (shout out to Geoff Johns) Like I mentioned in the video, mainstream superhero stories have the "multiple writers" issue ,where a new writer will eventually come along and undo the previous writers work.That power system is only canon until the next guy undoes it.
@@drelixcomics Truee I also agreed with your video, just wanted to Give Green Lantern a shout out.
Great vid btw🔥
That episode of flash chasing a motorcycle was my last straw
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Glad to see you back! Awesome video can't wait for more
Thanks man ,I'm glad you enjoyed it
This is why Nen is goated and the best power system
Good essay. Very informative
Appreciate it
Super powers are different from power systems
You also forgot the ultimate power wich is in everything... PLOT AMOUR!!!!!
You have also Star Wars with the concept of "The Force" every ability used have a deep meaning and have limits, and also I love the ones in every stories if you have a kind of power it must be first study and then mastery and I love such these concepts and also Avatar The Last Air Bender and Star Wars The Power limts and I like that actually because that will push the Protagonist to his limits in power and used his skills like fighting in Sword and other weapons.
I feel like the Mutants from Marvel wasn’t a very good example for a power system with no theme. Because it’s not like it’s supposed to. The whole point of the system is that it’s random and almost a lottery in a way
Yeah , and it sucks.
@@elcalabozodelandroide2Dude, you don’t know what your talking about and the thing is people would say Quirks is a good power system even though it’s the same shit as the X Gene, actually read a comic before judging it and not based on other’s opinion that probably doesn’t know what they are talking about entirely, plus X-Men has a theme, it’s based on the Civil Rights movement and I feel like you can get an opinion from just that alone and don’t say that bs of “It’s too woke” because I can bring up anime examples
I see a lot of people saying that some of these universes don't have power systems, when that's definitely not the case. There are rulesets that inform how those powers are used, even if they are imprecise or later retconned.
A universe can also have more than one power system. In fact I love the mistborn trilogy for precisely this reason.
I don't have any issue with soft power systems, but I absolutely agree with Sanderson's take that your ability to solve problems with your magic system should ideally scale to the level of understanding your audience has for that power system.
It's why, in my opinion, a Superman story that purely relies on his strength is uninteresting, not because an impossibly strong character is inherently boring (see OPM or Dr Manhattan), but because the system determining Superman's strength is so soft that almost anyone can shrug and go "I dunno, i guess he just punches harder."
Hi drelix I’m a big fan and I’m making my own comic, remember that video you made of redesigning your old characters? I was wondering if was fine if I use your old designs?
Thank you. A power system that is delved into makes the strength of characters feel earned. In stuff like MHA, you know there are people who will never be shit.
To be fair, MHA doesn't really ask the question "How does the system as a whole will work" and instead "How can I take an ability to its absolute limit"
@allforone3427 It don't mean that some abilities will ever match up to Hell flame, One for all. If you aren't born like that, you can't be one of the dogs. Simple
@@Abundance100 I mean, and? Like is a power system only good if you're as strong as everybody else, and everybody has the same potential, or if you're the most powerful? Where's the fun without the creativity, or the experimenting?
@allforone3427 I get it but It just feels like a cop out in cases when the character suddenly gets a random power up only they can. I guess it depends on the message of the series sometimes.
@@Abundance100 Personally I feel like that's a strength of the Series, because it makes it feel earned when they get power up. Since there's no baseline to go off of everyone has to find out themselves what their capable of. Like look at Mirio. Bro's power is legit trash, but through training and experimenting he rose above his expectations. It keeps you on your toes, asking "What else can they do?"
It’s a magic system mostly, but I love “The Dresden Files” setup for powers
This is so true.btw what are your thoughts of avatars spirit bending.
That's kinda where they lost the plot with the powersystem tbh
@drelixcomics thanks for your honesty
The problem is neither the power systems, nor the genre. The problem is poor and immature storytelling. It's the innability to maintain consistency in concepts and ideas. They try to make up for this deficiency with more flare, more drama hence they increase in power.
That's also a good point
10:34 question about central theme;
What would your opinion be on a central theme that a specific group of characters share thats not shared by all characters of the story?
Dc’s metal men r a good example
So many terrible arguments, especially towards MHA
There's nothing wrong with series like MHA and Jojo having different powers
He is a simpleton, the power system in avatar broke literaly in the last episodes. (Korra just finished it off)
He considers themes vital to a power system more than anything else which is basicaly a stroke to his own ego.
Yeah I disagree with that too, but I at least see what he’s trying to say with how limitations can add to more creativity and fun.
@@coal4208 yes, but again there's nothing wrong with having different quirks, etc
@ exactly, like Mineta is a great example of that. His power is just super sticky balls and yet he has made it into one of the best schools with a limited and mundane power. MHA limits its characters while and the same time giving them so much variety.
So all point of View your Favourite is Avatar 😂
Bro is glazing avater😂
I'd say that I'm making an original power(I think)Wich is kinetic energy Mine is called KOKO.😊 I think its original. 😅
It’s a reason why DC is more popular than avater and a lot of anime.
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Idk about that Manga is selling better than American comics even in the U.S.
The reason why it’s inconsistent is most superhero stuff is like decades old at least from DC and Marvel and also from them they have so many different ways to get powers that I can’t list them. The longer something has to go on for the more inconsistent It has to be to keep things interesting.
That's also another valid point 💯
One of the most intricate and balanced power systems ever created by accident is the Mortal Kombat power system.
Avatar's power system is inspired by superheroes and mainly anime copy.
Drelix youre GLAZING avater to much man really YOURE GLAAAAAAAAZING TO MUCH .
Does it really matter? Super heroes are just for fun. They don’t need to have a power system
It does matter because then everything becomes inconsistent and it ruins the stakes and the enjoyment when the character suddenly has abilities and can never use them again. You never know what the hero can and can’t do because it changes each time. At that point don't make a specific character but create a random one each fight.
If it doesn't matter then the fundamental plot elements of a good story are totally eliminated.
@@sweetxjcYou’re acting like Superhero’s just pull powers out of a hat or like other genres like Western Fantasy and anime don’t have inconsistencies. That’s just not true. At the end of the day, these are stories and authors are going to do things that service the story. They’re not real worlds that run on their own ecosystem.
@@Jay_SGETbf superheroes do just pull out super powers out of nowhere sometimes. And like the guy said it just makes everything feel pointless. Manga has inconsistencies too but at least they manage to set up a system with rules and limitations.
@@coal4208 That they break all the time. Fighting is the least important thing in a superhero story. They don’t need to have an intricate system. Not everything has to work like manga. Also manga usually relies on ONE system. Whereas there are multiple in comics which just makes things more interesting. I don’t understand how you can say it makes things pointless when manga characters always have “trump cards.” If a hero has electric powers until they’ve evolve or it’s stated otherwise. Those powers have limitations and rules. Sometimes a character might realise they can do more with the power set but that’s it.
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Well in fact even the comic books have power systems detailled power systems, we call it origine stories , even villains have it, one can be a alien, another could have his powers from a failed experment, another can have his powers from magic, or mutation which is a subsection of power system on it's own , it's not random, it's most likely that the comics about the origines of these villains was published 30 or 40 years ago and you wouldn't know
If the Future Guardians can time travel why didn't they preemptively evacuate Chicago, the Yachts, the mountain villages before Omni Man💀
Massive plot hole tbh
What's your opinion on how Pokémon's Power System(the games AND anime) and how it handles 18 whopping Elemental types?
This is very informative between the differences of a Power System and a Power Source. Thank you for this video.
Also i agree on too many different writers making characters powers inconsistent. My example is in the last season of My Adventures with Superman. When he was fighting Kara after their first meeting at a studio. During that fight he randomly gains the ability use his Freeze Breathe against her Heat Vision and didn't use it for the rest of the season... which feels slightly pointless though i think the writers tried to save themselves by having that Brainiac see this and go oh yes i want his powers. When Kara can do the samething.
But honestly if everyone/most ppl had the same/similar powers, the story would be less entertaining (for me), like sure it works for some shows and anime but limiting it to one sector only is annoying for me tbh, I like exploring different parts and they dont always have to go in depth although it would be appreciated.
Do you find dragon ball boring ?
This video is a perfect example of comparing apples to oranges
Although you make some good points you're at the end of the day comparing avatar to the entire DC/Marvel universe
They don't work the same way
There is no general power system connecting every power in the DC/Marvel universe because it wouldn't work
You say powers are contrived even though there are already detailed comics explaining every hero's backstory and powers which is another thing
The DC universe is a collection of character who have their own sorta universe
It's a universe for a universe that interconnect
It's a interconnecting group of stories
But you're using the standards of avatar which is just a singular story to judge it
It just wouldn't work
Having a different writers is nessesary for DC/Marvel to function because the universe is endless
Writers exist to bring new perspectives to the universe,to expand it
But in avatar, the story has a predetermined end because that's how the story was structured
Think of the many superman stories we've had , would they have existed without having different writers? No
I believe there are genuine criticism for DC/Marvel but this isn't it
yo! don't burst our bubble! we're learning how to control the elements. It only took Aang how many years? We're past 2 minutes meditating now so we're almost there😅
I feel Avatar the last Airbender is very underrated. The creators limited the power system which forced the characters to be creative with the little they had. Heck, there was almost no episode where each characters fought and the fight wasn't novel or interesting. And that was because of the new things they could do with just what they had
Haters gonna say there's no power system in comics
To that I'll say "one punch man" it does everything wrong but guess what, the narrative doesn't support ruining everything with a convenient power.
I think what you were trying to say is that DC/marvel don’t have a main power system and technically that’s the whole point there is no limits to what kind of powers abilities you can get you literally have reality warping entities,gods, higher dimensional beings, more Gods And omnipotent entities in both series and I have a problem with your reasoning is that you’re comparing shonen like avatar the last Airbender who do have a main power system, and then taking powers from superheroes in DC/marvel and putting them into last Airbender which of course isn’t going to work (although technically time is a element) it just doesn’t fit in the plot of the story
Ehere did you get that overlapping circle diagram
Not all stories need power system
What about the power system for The Perfect Run?
3:33 because you can make sub elements so you add on content without piling it up
Its funny that DB is the one everyone points when the word "power creep" is been said. While i don't disagree that Ki dors define the better one people forget that Toriyama didn't stuck with the idea of continuing the "power levels," heck, i wouldn't be crazy if he only used it as a joke.
often people say that 'Ki' is kind of a soft power system (which i don't blame them for) because its mostly explained im guides aproved by the autor. I do understand why people think God ki becomes useless tho.
Another time you did wrong is you’re putting up Batman, the literal guy who has a counter for everyone and basically everything.
this video is not a valid argument
Why exactly
@@Dr.Infin8ty3810because he's dunking on superhero power systems, when they're not built to have them. "Too many powers" and "no central the,e" isn't a good argument as he's looking at Marvel and DC as a whole. Spider-man didn't need a theme, it had a message and just had spider powers on a struggling teen-adult to show it, but it's a good story regardless. Green Lantern DOES have a theme with different emotions powering different colors, but he's not viewing the Green Lantern solos stories (which is how Gl started out), he is viewing ALL of DC with folks like Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter. Of course it won't have a theme because they weren't originally supposed to be together. And more modern stories where they give characters random powers (a.k.a. a "soft magic system") don't have the powers be the defining part of the story (the only story I dislike having a soft syatem is MHA becuase some people are just useless while others are gods), but it's the messages and characters that define the story. This even works for Justice League and Avengers because the powers aren't what defines the story.
He praises Nen from H×H even though it's technically random powers with extra steps. Sure, there's a good reason that no one could make lightning like Killua because not everyone was tortrued by lightning when they were a kid. But why don't more people with nen copy Hisoka's bungee gum? He flat out states the properties of both rubber and gum all the time and there is almost no one near to having a nen ability similar to his even though it's super easy if you're also a transmuter. Nen is a "hard" magic system, sure, but how hard can it be if every chimera ant is just another specialist type? Nen does not defy H×H, but it serves the story well.
In Avatar: The Last Airbender has a hard magic system. Bending is clearly a big part of the story and the entire world is built around bending (literally). And bending also don't tell us who the characters are as someone who's stubborn and irritable can have water bending (Korra) while someone chill even before they were everyone's favorite can have fire (Iroh). Iroh explains that the nations are "this" kind of people, sure, but that's just culture and helps explain how to bend their element, but doesn't mean that being a bender of that element means you inherit that personality.
Why did I say all of this? F if I know, i think i went way off-track. But the point is, superhero stories don't have a "bad power system", because they don't have one in the first place. And his gripes are just examples of bad writing rather than bad power systems
Mhhh I love avatar but I have my take on some bending limitations like earth bending. I don’t know if there’s a range to how far you have to be to make earth erupt from the ground, but man I mean you could start a fight and boom opponent’s legs are stuck with earth and bam ko😂
Okay I got a question, are you going to make a villain that is descendantes from all the Insectids, also different Insectid hybrids.
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Cool video i'm currently writing a video gamed Superhero who can use all sorts of weapons and other things from the whole video game genre and if you could i'd like to find out how to make the powers not so op and actually have his abilities balanced but with the possibility of evolving and becoming stronger
List of powers:
energy constructs (for video game weapons and items)
High tech armor (Which comes out of a wearable gauntlet i call a power glove which is a video game reference)
Artificial intelligence
Ultimate form (a transformation my character unlocks at the end of the story)
Video game skills (implant in brain which gives eyes a specific color and allows them to play games like a pro)
Level up system (has to level up to grow in power and unlock other powers)
Now if you have any other questions about him respond to this comment.
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Extra info: This character lives in a world full of other superheroes that also takes place in the 2030's with advanced technology and our main character gets his power glove from a secretly evil company and uses his new powers to help people and have fun but eventually starts to try and learn the sinister history of the company and discover the reason for his scientific uncle's disappearance
I have a character with a similar power set. Though they are in a different setting, I think the balancing I came up with works for yours aswell. I did it by limiting what my hero can use and what game he can access. To adjust for your leveling idea, I think he could be unlocking something like Minecraft in the early levels and God of War in higher levels, or not being able to use diamond tools and enchantments because his level is too low. Hope this helps get the pot stirring on your ideas, and it sounds like you've got a cool world in development. I wish you the best of luck in working on it.
@@captainiamtherum7659 thanks man I’d like to hear more about your work
Naruto has my favorite power system cuz much like avatar it’s very thought out and complex and still makes sense
Drelix you have to make more comic series in the franchise alongside making an age rating for your comic
@casterivo My next video is about this Actually
DC universe uses power system like the speed force is a power system
With good storytelling the power systems are just a tool, not the core of the story
How do you fogot naruto
What do you mean?
Let me tell you this sir, anime has broken power systems, maybe its not a lot but the same thing as comics or dc.
What do you mean
The main thing they have over Marvel and DC is consistency, because when u keep inputting lots of different powers in the same setting, they start to break the cohesion of the world (the mystical portions of DC and Marvel have always felt the most lackluster).
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@@offshorecomedyok loser
Most pointless video ever.
Oh my God
Everyone already knows comic book superheros are as strong as the plot needs them to be
Stop complaining about it
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Bro plug to your series
Hunter x hunter has one of the best power systems
I think GoW greek saga has a good power system
Yeah u do have a point fantasy anime or shows often get there power systems right while ones involving in modern eras are all over the place oof lol XD
What it feels like watching Toaru XD
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Bruv comic's don't have a power system 😂
They do, multiple actually. Every group of characters relies on a different one.
Lots of them do. It's just when u force all of em into one setting, like DC and Marvel, it all just contradicts and overshadows one another, like how there are barely any Kryptonian, Amazonian, or Lantern Corps focused plots in Justice League stories.
How to say you're a tourist that does not understand Invincible or has not read the comic at all. Shame
I have read the comics -I'm literally an invincible fanboy - It's still an amazing story don't get me wrong but in general superhero power systems aren't as consistent as Fantasy and Shonen power systems and that's an undeniable fact
@@drelixcomics I agree on the power system, but the entire point is about the time travel part where a future team of guardians of the globe came to save Mark and future Eve told him her real feelings a very big time altering event that later down the line payed off in the story.
@@drelixcomics on another note I would treat the power system as world building event if it's tied to the characters making a balanced powersystem for immersion into the story goes out the window if the narrative is tampered, for example what happened to He-man.
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