Its clear the difference is that lumen struggle when healing more than 1 target, if anyone even actually looking at maleknight many run actually using lumen s2 as pseudo aoe medic just because his s3 cant keep up with multi target healing demand. But for a free ops who able to keep up in hps against limited unit when healing 1 target is already amazing as it is
@@cefrinaldi8060 idk i look s2 more when maleknight really need aoe heal, prob coz they dont restricted to place the ops near each other which the necessary part for s1 to be aoe heal
@@Nian91131 hmm, probably because my reference isnt maleknight. But eitherway, both of his s1 and s2 are great for aoe and s2 was much more controllable
@@cefrinaldi8060 yeah i keep talking bout maleknight coz we dont have any male aoe medic 🤣. If most player need aoe heal they better just use aoe medic like ptilo, even breeze prob can do better at the job rather than coping with lumen s1 or s2
@@cefrinaldi8060 Can confirm! I actually often just use him as a solo healer for like 90% of things since I have him fully maxed out (totally worth it tbh) at LV90 M9 with both modules at Stage 3. I literally just swap to S1 if the stage needs more aoe healing or if there are too many statuses and they use up his S3 ammo--like cold debuffs for example I find easier to deal with using S1 since he still gives status resistance just by healing people. His second module makes his aoe heals actually pretty nutty, especially since his S1 acts similarly to Breeze where they can reach outside of their fixed range, so his aoe healing range is massive too. Also unrelated-related, those SP regen things + ASPD things in IS2/IS3 make his S1 insanely good since he just spams aoe heals on anything that moves LOL
"Lumen or Whisperain?" "Use both" "Lumen or Eyja?" "Use both" _uses_ -3 therapists- _2 therapists and the not ceylon alter_ _cures depression and nobody ever dies again_
The HPS seems roughly equal but the situation will make it different. Use Lumen if you want to purify debuffs from your operators and Ejya alter for heavy elemental damage stages
That's not really the argument. Eyja basically invalidated every medic except NG because her hps is not only high, but also mutitarget and in a much wder and flexible range
@@twittwitmf3258Tbf no other medics were there anyway, especially with units like Reed who consolidate healing and DPS really well. Both Eyja and NG are generally overkill in their healing niches (I assume we're not classifying Reed, Skalter and Kal as medics)
@@twittwitmf3258 Nightingale is still as relevant as ever thanks to RES being so good. Not to mention Warf, and also very occasionally shining for specific usecases. Medics have always been more about their niche usecases rather than pure HPS, arguably. RIP the berries though, Ejalter just dumpsters them with her insane elemental healing.
@@twittwitmf3258she has no utility beside healing and cleansing elemental damage though, can she speed up SP generation for everyone the way Ptilopsis can, or instantly remove status effects the way Lumen can, or hand out 90% atk buffs the way Warfarin can?
So proud of my boy lumen, he's always my go to medic and the only actual medic i raised (i have reed alter as well but then again i would rather refer to her as a caster😂)
Being good at what their job supposed to do is good. I think Medic class is really balance in terms of "what kind of operator you need for the situation you currently facing". It's also probably because *6 Medic have a very few number compared to the other class, but eh i guess they're fine the way they are now also HG, you didn't forget about chain healer, right..?
I'd say balance-wise medic classes are completely f.cked lol. Therapists have their anti stun niche and bigger range but overall lower healing, yet lumen had the highest hps. And now eyja, in an archetype that's terrible at healing in exchange for the ability to healing elemental damage even outheals him. The actual healer archetype units have to act as supporter (eg warfarin, ptilo), otherwise they are just useless
@@namensklauer If we are talking about the raw HPS then it's true that Eyjaberry, that come from the branch with lowest atk & hps overall and just focused on healing elemental gauge is now almost outhealing everyone mostly thanks to her talent and skill mechanism (which still kinda crazy to think lol, they really doing all-out to make Eyjaberry banner looks appealing to sale) The things is, outhealing everyone ≠ surpassed everyone, just like the video aboves she still lose some aspect and point. Would you believe she even lose in terms of healing to Quercus module level 3 in some situation despite Quercus is just a mere *5 Abjurer?
Then again, i don't know what the future hold. If one day HG decided to f/ck off and give Eyjaberry a mindblowing module then you might have a point tho
Don't worry, we're likely to get a new medic as a limited for tue new Chinese New year celebration (sui sibling) banner coming soon. If not, we'll atleast get one from an archetype that heals such as Abjurer or Guardian But seeing as HG is giving 6*to the recently released archetypes with no six stars yet, I have a feeling this one will be a Chain Medic
Lumen is slightly better when single target healing but loses on 3+ targets. Honestly impressive considering he also removes status like Tal's burn better while Eyjaberry just removes elemental damage instead. Free op vs limited was actually a close call for once.
Actually I think Eyja2 is slightly better for ST healing but they’re basically equivalent anyways. What matters though is she’s better for 2+ targets, not 3+, since she has double the HPS as she can heal 2 people. Still, it is pretty good for Lumen (although I personally don’t like him against Talulah since he uses up ammo too fast…).
@@slonik0002 you can just use his other skills instead. S1 is multi targets resistant based on your positioning which is pretty much 2+, s2 have cleanse and guarantee 3 targets resistant
@@dkal7671 오늘 아침 퍼뜩 떠오른 생각 답은 소환물이다. 체인메딕의 강점은 제한적으로 증가가능한 사거리와 제한적인 다수힐, 단점은 힐량이 튕길수록 줄어든다는 것과 중간에 체력이 감소한 타겟이 없으면 멀리있는 오퍼레이터까지 힐이 안 닿는다는 것. 따라서 지속적으로 체력 감소/도발/주변 유닛에 생존버프/소환물로부터 튕긴(혹은 소환물 범위내어서 튕긴) 힐은 힐량감소 완화를 붙여주면 어느 정도 효용성이 생길 수 있도록 여기에 제시카 방패처럼 설치하면 설치한 쪽을 보게 하거나, 아니면 레이나 보카디 소환물처럼 소환물 공격범위도 공격범위로 취급같은 옵션을 붙이면 가용 가능한 사거리도 넓어지고 전략성도 생길 것 2스 옵션 정도로 힐량 감소하지 않음을 붙여줄 수 있겠고 3스는 소환물 버프 및 공격범위 증가 2재능으로 힐받은 대상 지속힐이나 고정 수치의 보호막을 붙여주면 체력이 풀인 대상에게도 힐이 튄다는 특성도 활용가능
Lumen is a great unit as he is free. Just consider him a single target medic with a wider range than normal, Eyja is a must for IS3 at higher difficulties so im gonna pull on her.
There's no comparison between them, both are good at their jobs.And also both are different archetypes. If it was a comparison between Eyjalter, Mulberry, Honeyberry and Chestnut, now that would be interesting to see.
Well, thanks for the comparison video between lumen and eyjafjalla alter. Now i can keep my resources and just use free pull wether get eyja alter or swire but deep in my hear i hope i can max pot poncirus but kinda struggle because hypergryph announce R6 SIEGE and DESTINY collab so yeah.
I'm not sure why they're being compared or what this comparison is proving, its like piecing a screw and nail together. They each work best at their give roles and niche.
They’re being compared since they’re both often used for their pure HPS, being brought to many stages even when their Status cleanse/elemental healing isn’t relevant.
@@slonik0002 oh.. yeah that makes sense. Seems like I missed a point of the comparison, my bad. I thought their archtypes were being compared because of the stages they were brought to.
Well of course a unit you ha e to summon and possibly pay for would be better than a free unit. But that's not to say that Lumen is bad at all, he's genuinely amazing as a medic himself
They both good, that's the point of the video. I already have Lumen fully built and I hope i can do the same with Eyjalter (minus pots because I'm poor)
Either Lumen and Eyja were good as their job. In conclusion, Go get both. No matter how hard as you SALT on Eyja because she is a main priority in mostly late game now.
Eyja is generally stronger, her single target is absolutely nothing to scoff at but she does significantly better when healing multiple targets or elemental damage. To be fair, lumen can also heal abnormal statuses, but heal too many and he loses his much prided uptime. Eyja has an equally large (though differently shaped range) but doesn’t fall of with distance like therapists, and her s3 gives her global range.
@@giahuytran720 First, Blemi can do that? Second, Bards, Perfumer and Saileach S2 can do that, so more than those 2. Third, they didn't mean she heals their HP, she'll do nothing to that, they meant that she can heal their elemental HP so things like chapter 9's fire mechanic, chapter 10's SP lockdown mechanic will be harder to be inflicted upon them because before Eyja there was no way to help them get rid of Elemental damage
If Im being Honest Lumen is better, I know Global Healing is indeed better but against certain enemies with debuffs Lumen is by far better than Ejya. Ejya in elemental healing is superb in most elemental damage except nervous impairment. Ok here me out In nervous impairment Lumen is better cause he can Instantly heal and remove the stun and you get immunity for 5 sec in Elemental Damage.
Um...Do you realize that the only reason why Eiya even allowed the Nervous Impairment to trigger above is simply because there were like...four of these friggin reapers?! Not getting the stun in the first place is better than getting stunned and healed, not to mention that Eiya can keep that up indefinitely while Lumen needs to recharge after 8 cleanses. Sure, Lumen can deal with Nervous Impairment very well, especially for a healer that has nothing to do with elemental damage. However the fact remains that he is generally worse against it than Eiya. Maybe that mini-boss dude can outdamage Eiya with his skill so Lumen would still be better against him, but otherwise, yeah.
I am a man tho, so I love Eyja more than big boy Jordi as a build-in system, but oh well, no one replace him unless they are straight up him but better
that healing debuff instantly is not forever tho, he have 8 charges and when it empty he have to recharge again from 0. also good luck trying to heal elemental damage with lumen
@@prd6617 no one said my dude heal debuff forever my man But can heal stun and can't heal stun is two world of a difference, I don't even say healing debuff is good (I personally usually just play with it instead of bringing Lumen) or it's major niche (can u even figure out in 10 sec anything that stun you without elemental damage?), but a niche is a niche, he is the only one who can instantly delete debuff like that Also u r a fool if u r trying to heal elemental damage with Lumen man, it's not about operator can do what, it's about those behind the screen Edit: oh, u r talkin bout forever I'd written, nah, I mean "he is the only one to do the job" forever, not "he can do that sht forever", I believe HG ain't foolish to write "heal debuff instantly" on anything else soon, if at all
@@Kiasis "good luck trying to heal stun with Eyja lmao" seem that u are mocking people that use eyja alter because she cant remove stun. while its true that she are not build for that, lumen cant heal elemental damage either. if i copying ur post, i can say "good luck trying to heal elemental damage with lumen lmao" then
@@prd6617 yeah, I'm mocking the fool who's using Eyja to heal debuff while she can't, I'm not specified who I'm mocking, I don't even know you existed until this morning, if u ain't that fool, then u shouldn't be bother But when you reply, you REPLY TO ME (capital just to stick it out, nothing personal), that's specifically for me, and nah man I ain't that fool can't even read like that I probably don't understand how TH-cam comment work and assume ur comment were for me ig, we are cool tho, which way it is
Still a niche, well Lumen's a good choice for focused healing and nullify abnormal statuses. While Eyjalter can just prevent elemental damages from bursting and good in healing multiple operators.
Healing elemental dmg is just her medic class niche. Eyjaberry real niche is her being able to regen elemental dmg of those that cannot be healed and her global range on S3.
@@bartekrudy1161 nah, I know wanderer medic can heal elemental damage, but the way Eyjalter's skill works is just wiping out the elemental damage. That's why I said she's completely "preventing" it or just delete that mechanics, only to healable operators. While Lumen nullifies some effect like stun or dot effect.
Lumen is better at single, status cleansing, abit lower SP (10 SP), and occasionally actually better for 2 ops healing outside of himself if those 2 ops aren't being attacked at the same time. Eyja is better for multi, keeping the elemental bar at check, can solo medic and her S3 have global range while her S1 is basically Lumen but multi target buy have no status cleansing. They are kind of even actually, just fit your need, like if you want to sustain Surtr, Lumen is better, general use Eyja is better, no elemental dmg, they are equal with 2 ops in their range. Kind of insane that Lumen and Gladiia are free, the few best of their class.
I Agree Your Comment But Eyja is good to Sustain Surtr also ( Because of Her talent , As I Know Heal Stacks ) Yeah both of them are good I Will Recruit Eyjaalter for My Executoralter and Mudrock
still not building lumen, but M6 Eyjaalter right after I got her LOL And she saves me big time now, most of the time I dont need other healer to play. Just use her S3 if someone out of range XD
S3 Lumen which unlocked in E2 vs S1 Eyja which already can be used after obtained. but Lumen still strong medic, only minus for Lumen is, Male medic. I want another 6* medic in his archetype but female.
Eyja trying not to powercreep an entire archtype: impossible when she is a ST caster she outclasses the entire aoe caster & now her being mainly ST medic, her hps is one of the highest while also having AOE too, making most aoe medic irrelevant (except nightingale, but she isnt used for her heal anyway)
burn, cold, freeze and stun are status effect. depend on what skill he use, with S1 he half the duration, with S3 he instantly remove it but it have 8 "ammo" limit
... Don't they heal different statuses? I have both and I use them for different situations. Bery confused why people will compare them when they have diff healing roles. 🤔
Eyja have the infinite skill on s1, and people been coping using lumen s3 as infinite single target. Meanwhile modless eyja at s1m3 already beaten lumen at s3m3 mod3 lmao. Many are still coping that lumen good healer when he's actually at the bottom of the 6* healer class
Eyja s1 m3 gives 40% +atk Meanwhile lumen s3 m3 gives 55% heal ? Idk my lumen still s3 m1 For uses in all round eyja is better But lumen is really good single healer element for free ops 😊😊
Eiya is a single target healer. That's kind of the point with her. She is a single target caster that outdamages AoE casters in AoE damage and a single target healer that competes with or outdamages AoE healers in AoE healing.
Hmmmm.... one is a welfare medic that heal status aliment and the other are a limited medic that heal elemental damage. Felt like as if we're comparing Nightingale to shining. Two different medic with two different usage. Moreover in the video, their hps are similar. But eyjaberry have advantage on having her s1 make her target 2 allies. Lumen should do the same and either use his s1 or s2. But i'm glad our welfare fishboi was competing against a limited alter.
tbh this kind of comparison is pointless because they have different role outside of basic healing just like shining and NG, but there are always some peps that making statement one are better and the other are worthless.
@@prd6617While true, the point is that they’re mainly used for the healing, with Status Cleanse/elemental healing being a bonus on certain maps. You don’t often take Shining/NG for their pure healing in comparison, while these 2 units have been brought mainly everywhere by many players.
Welp yet another male op being powercrept, what a surprise. At least lumen has a niche of status while eyja does elemental healing, but that niche is not worth. At least i feel better using him. Also about the male op yhing im talking about vigil and phantom, maybe more idk
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Eyjafjalla / No pot (16 cost) / No Module
Lumen / Max Pot (20 cost) / X Module Lv1
who would you recommend for newer players skalter or eyjalter?
@@vuvoinh2366 well, it's really hard to choose... I would recommend eyja
@@Sciel thanks
@@vuvoinh2366hibiscus
Isn't Quercus with module better? (in global we still dont have it)
Its clear the difference is that lumen struggle when healing more than 1 target, if anyone even actually looking at maleknight many run actually using lumen s2 as pseudo aoe medic just because his s3 cant keep up with multi target healing demand.
But for a free ops who able to keep up in hps against limited unit when healing 1 target is already amazing as it is
Many actually use his s1 for aoe heal instead
@@cefrinaldi8060 idk i look s2 more when maleknight really need aoe heal, prob coz they dont restricted to place the ops near each other which the necessary part for s1 to be aoe heal
@@Nian91131 hmm, probably because my reference isnt maleknight. But eitherway, both of his s1 and s2 are great for aoe and s2 was much more controllable
@@cefrinaldi8060 yeah i keep talking bout maleknight coz we dont have any male aoe medic 🤣. If most player need aoe heal they better just use aoe medic like ptilo, even breeze prob can do better at the job rather than coping with lumen s1 or s2
@@cefrinaldi8060 Can confirm! I actually often just use him as a solo healer for like 90% of things since I have him fully maxed out (totally worth it tbh) at LV90 M9 with both modules at Stage 3.
I literally just swap to S1 if the stage needs more aoe healing or if there are too many statuses and they use up his S3 ammo--like cold debuffs for example I find easier to deal with using S1 since he still gives status resistance just by healing people. His second module makes his aoe heals actually pretty nutty, especially since his S1 acts similarly to Breeze where they can reach outside of their fixed range, so his aoe healing range is massive too.
Also unrelated-related, those SP regen things + ASPD things in IS2/IS3 make his S1 insanely good since he just spams aoe heals on anything that moves LOL
Lumen so good as a free 6★ he's comparable to a limited one
agree unlike certain free 6 star that we better just use his 4 or 5 star counterpart instead ~
@@saharudin3159*cough* shining *cough*
Yea he killing shining 😂
@@Bing..chiling how?
@@saharudin3159 bcs shining is the worst 6* healer, and lumen doing better job than her in my opinion
Both. It's worth using both. They're different archetypes. But roughly equal in HPS
"Lumen or Whisperain?"
"Use both"
"Lumen or Eyja?"
"Use both"
_uses_ -3 therapists- _2 therapists and the not ceylon alter_
_cures depression and nobody ever dies again_
Eyja is a Wandering medic
Why would you want two medics
Of course we want multiple medics in different situations
They are from the same archetype tho?
They are different archetype and they both good at their job so probably I will use both
The HPS seems roughly equal but the situation will make it different. Use Lumen if you want to purify debuffs from your operators and Ejya alter for heavy elemental damage stages
That's not really the argument. Eyja basically invalidated every medic except NG because her hps is not only high, but also mutitarget and in a much wder and flexible range
@@twittwitmf3258Tbf no other medics were there anyway, especially with units like Reed who consolidate healing and DPS really well. Both Eyja and NG are generally overkill in their healing niches (I assume we're not classifying Reed, Skalter and Kal as medics)
@@twittwitmf3258 "Eyja basically invalidated every medic except NG" Don't forget about Kal'tsit and Reed Alter, those two are hardly medics 😅
@@twittwitmf3258 Nightingale is still as relevant as ever thanks to RES being so good. Not to mention Warf, and also very occasionally shining for specific usecases. Medics have always been more about their niche usecases rather than pure HPS, arguably. RIP the berries though, Ejalter just dumpsters them with her insane elemental healing.
@@twittwitmf3258she has no utility beside healing and cleansing elemental damage though, can she speed up SP generation for everyone the way Ptilopsis can, or instantly remove status effects the way Lumen can, or hand out 90% atk buffs the way Warfarin can?
So proud of my boy lumen, he's always my go to medic and the only actual medic i raised (i have reed alter as well but then again i would rather refer to her as a caster😂)
Being good at what their job supposed to do is good. I think Medic class is really balance in terms of "what kind of operator you need for the situation you currently facing". It's also probably because *6 Medic have a very few number compared to the other class, but eh i guess they're fine the way they are now
also HG, you didn't forget about chain healer, right..?
I'd say balance-wise medic classes are completely f.cked lol. Therapists have their anti stun niche and bigger range but overall lower healing, yet lumen had the highest hps. And now eyja, in an archetype that's terrible at healing in exchange for the ability to healing elemental damage even outheals him. The actual healer archetype units have to act as supporter (eg warfarin, ptilo), otherwise they are just useless
@@namensklauer If we are talking about the raw HPS then it's true that Eyjaberry, that come from the branch with lowest atk & hps overall and just focused on healing elemental gauge is now almost outhealing everyone mostly thanks to her talent and skill mechanism (which still kinda crazy to think lol, they really doing all-out to make Eyjaberry banner looks appealing to sale)
The things is, outhealing everyone ≠ surpassed everyone, just like the video aboves she still lose some aspect and point. Would you believe she even lose in terms of healing to Quercus module level 3 in some situation despite Quercus is just a mere *5 Abjurer?
Then again, i don't know what the future hold. If one day HG decided to f/ck off and give Eyjaberry a mindblowing module then you might have a point tho
Don't worry, we're likely to get a new medic as a limited for tue new Chinese New year celebration (sui sibling) banner coming soon. If not, we'll atleast get one from an archetype that heals such as Abjurer or Guardian
But seeing as HG is giving 6*to the recently released archetypes with no six stars yet, I have a feeling this one will be a Chain Medic
@@galeria_m would be happy if true, i just hope they didn't mess them just like Passanger pre-module
1:26 Thanks for bringing back a glimmer of old Chongyue back
The good ol days…
Lumen is slightly better when single target healing but loses on 3+ targets. Honestly impressive considering he also removes status like Tal's burn better while Eyjaberry just removes elemental damage instead. Free op vs limited was actually a close call for once.
Actually I think Eyja2 is slightly better for ST healing but they’re basically equivalent anyways. What matters though is she’s better for 2+ targets, not 3+, since she has double the HPS as she can heal 2 people. Still, it is pretty good for Lumen (although I personally don’t like him against Talulah since he uses up ammo too fast…).
@@slonik0002 you can just use his other skills instead. S1 is multi targets resistant based on your positioning which is pretty much 2+, s2 have cleanse and guarantee 3 targets resistant
Limited operator vs free operator
Both are good
6성 메딕들은 사용 빈도가 달라도 사용처는 다르기때문에 완전실직은 없을거같음. 그런데 제일 ㅈ된건 가져갈 차별점 거의없어진 언젠가 나올 6성 체인메딕ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
푸딩처럼 중복이라도 되면 좀 나을지도 모르겠는데, "단일처럼도 쓸 수 있고 광역처럼도 쓸 수 있어요"라는 게 솔직히 얼마나 메리트가 될지는 잘...
이럴 때 답은... SP 주유인가
@@peppa4412 6성은 이제 힐로만 승부할 수 있는게 아니고 켈시 팅게 샤이닝처럼 직군을 넘어선 특화영역으로 가야하니깐요... 어떻게 나올런지 ㅋㅋㅋ
@@dkal7671 오늘 아침 퍼뜩 떠오른 생각
답은 소환물이다.
체인메딕의 강점은 제한적으로 증가가능한 사거리와 제한적인 다수힐, 단점은 힐량이 튕길수록 줄어든다는 것과 중간에 체력이 감소한 타겟이 없으면 멀리있는 오퍼레이터까지 힐이 안 닿는다는 것.
따라서 지속적으로 체력 감소/도발/주변 유닛에 생존버프/소환물로부터 튕긴(혹은 소환물 범위내어서 튕긴) 힐은 힐량감소 완화를 붙여주면 어느 정도 효용성이 생길 수 있도록
여기에 제시카 방패처럼 설치하면 설치한 쪽을 보게 하거나, 아니면 레이나 보카디 소환물처럼 소환물 공격범위도 공격범위로 취급같은 옵션을 붙이면 가용 가능한 사거리도 넓어지고 전략성도 생길 것
2스 옵션 정도로 힐량 감소하지 않음을 붙여줄 수 있겠고 3스는 소환물 버프 및 공격범위 증가
2재능으로 힐받은 대상 지속힐이나 고정 수치의 보호막을 붙여주면 체력이 풀인 대상에게도 힐이 튄다는 특성도 활용가능
Lumen is a great unit as he is free. Just consider him a single target medic with a wider range than normal, Eyja is a must for IS3 at higher difficulties so im gonna pull on her.
힐량이나 광범위 힐을 힐이야가 앞서지만 루멘의 디버프 해제는 확실히 고유영역이 있긴하네
There's no comparison between them, both are good at their jobs.And also both are different archetypes.
If it was a comparison between Eyjalter, Mulberry, Honeyberry and Chestnut, now that would be interesting to see.
Well, thanks for the comparison video between lumen and eyjafjalla alter. Now i can keep my resources and just use free pull wether get eyja alter or swire but deep in my hear i hope i can max pot poncirus but kinda struggle because hypergryph announce R6 SIEGE and DESTINY collab so yeah.
most likely destiny 2 will be delayed again if R6 came early, having 2 collabs and 4 limited banner in 1 year are just to much
힐이야는 뭐 이격에 그럴 수 있지
루멘은 배포캐 주제에 힐이야랑 비비고 심지어 고유영역마저 있어
각각 쓰이는 곳이 다르긴한데 힐이야랑 비교된다는 자체가 탈배포캐지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
I'm not sure why they're being compared or what this comparison is proving, its like piecing a screw and nail together.
They each work best at their give roles and niche.
They’re being compared since they’re both often used for their pure HPS, being brought to many stages even when their Status cleanse/elemental healing isn’t relevant.
@@slonik0002 oh.. yeah that makes sense.
Seems like I missed a point of the comparison, my bad.
I thought their archtypes were being compared because of the stages they were brought to.
이 영상 보다가 루멘이 배포라는 걸 깨달았다 무친 성능의 배포캐
Now I won't feel sad on not getting eyjalter, clearly lumen can still do the job so I can save more for degenbrecher and typhon
Clearly it’s Lumen because he’s so pretty
No
다중 타겟 기준으로 도트힐을 부여해준다는게 개사기네요 안뽑을수가 없다
Well of course a unit you ha e to summon and possibly pay for would be better than a free unit. But that's not to say that Lumen is bad at all, he's genuinely amazing as a medic himself
Don't make me decide, I'm supposed to have both when she comes out.
And yet I've never seen you pick Lumen in both IS3&IS4.
WOW
Thx for the showcase video!
They will be real silent when Emperor's Blade use the 6th and they are in the fart.
They both good, that's the point of the video. I already have Lumen fully built and I hope i can do the same with Eyjalter (minus pots because I'm poor)
Either Lumen and Eyja were good as their job. In conclusion, Go get both. No matter how hard as you SALT on Eyja because she is a main priority in mostly late game now.
Eyja is generally stronger, her single target is absolutely nothing to scoff at but she does significantly better when healing multiple targets or elemental damage. To be fair, lumen can also heal abnormal statuses, but heal too many and he loses his much prided uptime. Eyja has an equally large (though differently shaped range) but doesn’t fall of with distance like therapists, and her s3 gives her global range.
At the end of the day they're just healers, for most situations even the berries will do great so you can always use whichever you like the most
Lumen isnt a rip off of an unneceary 6* version
Lmao
What?
seeing lumen actually somewhat keeping up with his s3 being useless in these situations should speak enough.
She can heal elemental damage a unhealable operator and also summon
Lol where does that “she can heal summon and enmity OP “ come from bro, she can’t, the only two that able to do that is Maria and Skalter
@@giahuytran720 First, Blemi can do that? Second, Bards, Perfumer and Saileach S2 can do that, so more than those 2. Third, they didn't mean she heals their HP, she'll do nothing to that, they meant that she can heal their elemental HP so things like chapter 9's fire mechanic, chapter 10's SP lockdown mechanic will be harder to be inflicted upon them because before Eyja there was no way to help them get rid of Elemental damage
@@Z_04_Q yea, Blemi can heal enmities with her S2
Eyja can "Regenerate" Elemental damage for Enmity's, something no one else can do cuz they cant directly heal
@@giahuytran720 She passively heals elemental damage on those operators, not the normal HP, the elemental one
Chongyue: /screams/
Chongyue: /screams/
Now there's two of them...
Haven't even raised my Lumen. Never felt the need. My medics are NG, Mullberry and Warfarin.
I wouldnt use lumen s3 for multiple targets anyhow. Especially since they were placed so close together. Either way, im saving for Hoedaddy
그냥
루멘: 단일 타겟 메딕
힐이야: 멀티 타겟 메딕
이렇게 쓰자(루멘 3스는 디버프 주는 애가 없다면 쓰는 순간 무한지속 + 힐량 증가)
Both are fine since they have different archetype.
Yes, they're both good. But why nobody talks about Lumen that just heals one target compared to Eyja T^T that's just unfair in my opinion
Never thought that eyja alter is this goat tier at healing :o
If Im being Honest Lumen is better, I know Global Healing is indeed better but against certain enemies with debuffs Lumen is by far better than Ejya. Ejya in elemental healing is superb in most elemental damage except nervous impairment. Ok here me out In nervous impairment Lumen is better cause he can Instantly heal and remove the stun and you get immunity for 5 sec in Elemental Damage.
Um...Do you realize that the only reason why Eiya even allowed the Nervous Impairment to trigger above is simply because there were like...four of these friggin reapers?! Not getting the stun in the first place is better than getting stunned and healed, not to mention that Eiya can keep that up indefinitely while Lumen needs to recharge after 8 cleanses.
Sure, Lumen can deal with Nervous Impairment very well, especially for a healer that has nothing to do with elemental damage. However the fact remains that he is generally worse against it than Eiya. Maybe that mini-boss dude can outdamage Eiya with his skill so Lumen would still be better against him, but otherwise, yeah.
Both healer had different funtion..
But we always said:
*BRING MEDIC OPERATOR BEFORE DEPLOYMENT*
So yeah both healer is Good to bring along...
Lumen will hold that special niche of healing one stance of debuff instantly forever, good luck trying to heal stun with Eyja lmao
I am a man tho, so I love Eyja more than big boy Jordi as a build-in system, but oh well, no one replace him unless they are straight up him but better
that healing debuff instantly is not forever tho, he have 8 charges and when it empty he have to recharge again from 0.
also good luck trying to heal elemental damage with lumen
@@prd6617 no one said my dude heal debuff forever my man
But can heal stun and can't heal stun is two world of a difference, I don't even say healing debuff is good (I personally usually just play with it instead of bringing Lumen) or it's major niche (can u even figure out in 10 sec anything that stun you without elemental damage?), but a niche is a niche, he is the only one who can instantly delete debuff like that
Also u r a fool if u r trying to heal elemental damage with Lumen man, it's not about operator can do what, it's about those behind the screen
Edit: oh, u r talkin bout forever I'd written, nah, I mean "he is the only one to do the job" forever, not "he can do that sht forever", I believe HG ain't foolish to write "heal debuff instantly" on anything else soon, if at all
@@Kiasis "good luck trying to heal stun with Eyja lmao" seem that u are mocking people that use eyja alter because she cant remove stun.
while its true that she are not build for that, lumen cant heal elemental damage either.
if i copying ur post, i can say "good luck trying to heal elemental damage with lumen lmao" then
@@prd6617 yeah, I'm mocking the fool who's using Eyja to heal debuff while she can't, I'm not specified who I'm mocking, I don't even know you existed until this morning, if u ain't that fool, then u shouldn't be bother
But when you reply, you REPLY TO ME (capital just to stick it out, nothing personal), that's specifically for me, and nah man I ain't that fool can't even read like that
I probably don't understand how TH-cam comment work and assume ur comment were for me ig, we are cool tho, which way it is
Still a niche, well Lumen's a good choice for focused healing and nullify abnormal statuses. While Eyjalter can just prevent elemental damages from bursting and good in healing multiple operators.
Healing elemental dmg is just her medic class niche. Eyjaberry real niche is her being able to regen elemental dmg of those that cannot be healed and her global range on S3.
@@bartekrudy1161 nah, I know wanderer medic can heal elemental damage, but the way Eyjalter's skill works is just wiping out the elemental damage. That's why I said she's completely "preventing" it or just delete that mechanics, only to healable operators. While Lumen nullifies some effect like stun or dot effect.
Eyja's a good choice in focused healing too, she has the same ST HPS as him, just she can heal a 2nd target for twice the HPS.
Lumen is better at single, status cleansing, abit lower SP (10 SP), and occasionally actually better for 2 ops healing outside of himself if those 2 ops aren't being attacked at the same time. Eyja is better for multi, keeping the elemental bar at check, can solo medic and her S3 have global range while her S1 is basically Lumen but multi target buy have no status cleansing. They are kind of even actually, just fit your need, like if you want to sustain Surtr, Lumen is better, general use Eyja is better, no elemental dmg, they are equal with 2 ops in their range. Kind of insane that Lumen and Gladiia are free, the few best of their class.
I Agree Your Comment
But Eyja is good to Sustain Surtr also ( Because of Her talent , As I Know Heal Stacks ) Yeah both of them are good
I Will Recruit Eyjaalter for My Executoralter and Mudrock
I mean Lumen is a welfare. I have him maxed out so ofc I will use him.
The first 10 seconds had me so confused
No brain AFK Dokutah: "Both. Both is good"
still not building lumen, but M6 Eyjaalter right after I got her LOL
And she saves me big time now, most of the time I dont need other healer to play.
Just use her S3 if someone out of range XD
For multiple targets, I thinkg Lumen S1 works better than S3
But they need to be close though, which you don't have such luxury in every stage
then s2?@@sorashizen5130
They both are so good! I would love them to heal my Abyssal Hunters + Texas & Yato team! They will be invincible lol
Lumen : single ally + burst/debuff enemies
Eyja alter : Many ally + dps enemies
두렵다. 언젠가 힐이아와 루멘을 뛰어넘을 새로운 괴물이 나타날까봐
좋은 방법: 둘 다 쓴다
Saving for Virtuosa so this is an immediate skip, already have Lumen and the berries built but Swire alter is cool to have tho
ルーメンが配布キャラで、エイヤが限定キャラだから入手性の差もある。
So that confirms you don't need her. Save your orundum for the other characters, people.
"왜 이래 나 배포캐야"
유료재화쓰고 한정인 힐이야 vs Sn-4만 돌면 주는 배포캐릭
누가 더 미친 캐릭일까요?
jordi is fish therefore he wins by default in my heart
I always use them together like it’s a must
S3 Lumen which unlocked in E2 vs S1 Eyja which already can be used after obtained.
but Lumen still strong medic,
only minus for Lumen is,
Male medic.
I want another 6* medic in his archetype but female.
Ehhh???
Lumen can delete Talular debuff!??
omg I never knew this before🤣🤣
Eyja trying not to powercreep an entire archtype: impossible
when she is a ST caster she outclasses the entire aoe caster & now her being mainly ST medic, her hps is one of the highest while also having AOE too, making most aoe medic irrelevant (except nightingale, but she isnt used for her heal anyway)
Ptilopsis will still be fine as well
Huh Lumen can delete burn?
ルーメンの素質のレジスト付与の影響だと思います
Yes those count as status effects that can be cleansed
Yes, it count as status aliment.
burn, cold, freeze and stun are status effect.
depend on what skill he use, with S1 he half the duration, with S3 he instantly remove it but it have 8 "ammo" limit
@@prd6617There’s also 2 ItW enemies that apply an effect that can be Resisted/Cleansed.
힐이야: 2스 3스로 여러명을 케어하여 안정성 높임
루멘: 아이린만 힐해줌 개샊
0:52 이름이 루멘인 새끼가 빛을 꺼트려...!?
... Don't they heal different statuses? I have both and I use them for different situations. Bery confused why people will compare them when they have diff healing roles. 🤔
Eyja have the infinite skill on s1, and people been coping using lumen s3 as infinite single target.
Meanwhile modless eyja at s1m3 already beaten lumen at s3m3 mod3 lmao.
Many are still coping that lumen good healer when he's actually at the bottom of the 6* healer class
그냥 방랑메딕 힐량이 테라피스트 힐량과 비등한 게 압승인데. 게다가 3타겟이고
참고) 원소힐러인데 그냥 힐량으로 승부중이다
Lumen Ftw
Because he's free
So eyja alter is a wandering medic huh....
lumen: FREE
Eyjafjalla: HELLO
Eyja one of the best casters and now one of the best healers. Kekw.
Eyja vs Lumen winner....
Quercus s1 with module
so, Lumen great at healing single target
They’re both basically the same at ST healing
More like better at removing negative effects
Nvr knew lumen was that good i only build him cause male medic but eyja is so beautiful i need...
I still have trauma with this map
Nightingale
eyja vanilla+ eyjaberry dominates the game, truly the goat
Hmm i see so i go nightangle
Eyja s1 m3 gives 40% +atk
Meanwhile lumen s3 m3 gives 55% heal ?
Idk my lumen still s3 m1
For uses in all round eyja is better
But lumen is really good single healer element for free ops 😊😊
How can you compare a single target with a multi target and take it seriously?
because their HPS is almost the same
Eiya is a single target healer. That's kind of the point with her. She is a single target caster that outdamages AoE casters in AoE damage and a single target healer that competes with or outdamages AoE healers in AoE healing.
어?? 힐이야 2스 메인이었어요??
WAT was it supposed to be S2? I made Eyja S3 level 10 :(
물론 기간 한정 페스캐인 힐이야를 이길 힐러는 절대 없을 거라 생각합니다.
하지만 너 고추는 배포라서 행복합니다.
블아로 따지면, 이거지 드히나 가지고 아루랑 비빈격
Now mullberry vs eyjaalter
배포6성이 한정캐 에이야랑 비교대상이 된단것부터 개사긴거지 ㅋㅋ
루멘 힐이야 둘다실직안합니다 우는건 몰꿀 둘이 울죠
Im still gonna use lumen why? Because im broke
nice comparison
Hmmmm.... one is a welfare medic that heal status aliment and the other are a limited medic that heal elemental damage. Felt like as if we're comparing Nightingale to shining. Two different medic with two different usage. Moreover in the video, their hps are similar. But eyjaberry have advantage on having her s1 make her target 2 allies. Lumen should do the same and either use his s1 or s2.
But i'm glad our welfare fishboi was competing against a limited alter.
tbh this kind of comparison is pointless because they have different role outside of basic healing just like shining and NG, but there are always some peps that making statement one are better and the other are worthless.
@@prd6617While true, the point is that they’re mainly used for the healing, with Status Cleanse/elemental healing being a bonus on certain maps. You don’t often take Shining/NG for their pure healing in comparison, while these 2 units have been brought mainly everywhere by many players.
@@slonik0002 in other word they have their use.
Welp yet another male op being powercrept, what a surprise. At least lumen has a niche of status while eyja does elemental healing, but that niche is not worth. At least i feel better using him. Also about the male op yhing im talking about vigil and phantom, maybe more idk
why does it matter no one will use male ops anyway lol idk why hypergryph still makes them
glory to the waifus
@@WiejDifidMlynar:
@@WiejDifid Least misandry-pilled gacha gamer:
@@WiejDifid weirdo
@@WiejDifid bait, popularity poll on CN said otherwise
Lumen with y mod lv3 s3m3 heals for 977.
루멘 그는 배포캐였다...
when fight with mephisto, 1st skill lumen will be better(?)
What skill of this eyja that i need to M3?
As someone with Eyjaberry Pot 1 M9 her.
Just use both