Thanks for sharing your lessons learnt , I'm also glad it turned out well Tristen🙏. I think the lead-up to the incident is the key takeaway for me. Identifying the change of wind direction and its effects on the cliff. I also think situational awareness was affected by a little complacency due to flying 4 hours in the same area prior to the incident.
Thanks for the follow up. It's easy to see what happened and why, however it's great to hear it from the perspective of the pilot. Glad you're ok and got to walk away. Stay safe..
THANKS for sharing, glad you escaped injury, I flew into Rotor in 2016 ended up with 3 broken vertebrae and a broken coccyx. Large margins required but it only takes 1 error of judgement by the pilot to sometimes end in disaster. Thankfully, you were VERY lucky.
Thanks for sharing, I avoid the leeside at all times due to that possible rotor. Glad your safe mate and get yourself up again asap so you get over that buddy.
Thanks mate! I was flying again the same day! I actually plucked myself out of the mud, walked up the cliff and took off to fly away from the crash. Took the corner much wider that time 🤣
Great debrief. On parakites, I have had one concerning moment when soaring at Hay Bluff one day. About to take off, out of the corner of my eye I just saw a wingtip skimming below the edge of the hill. Part of the challenge is that they don't fly like paragliders, so seems unpredictable to other pilots. Kinda like cars and motorbikes on a track day. (Please don't get me wrong, I'm really keen to start flying them too, precisely because of the ability to keep flying when it's windier).
I’m really not qualified to comment but these postmortems are really interesting and get you thinking. Is it possible, at the risk of loosing pressure, that the breaking before collapse wasnt the best move as it would have reduced the forward air speed making it more susceptible to rotor? Based on the huge flying hours I would imagine muscle memory took over after the collapse and he weight shifted without even realizing to prevent a spin. Great interview and glad it didn’t end badly for the chap. Like over the Needles! Thanks for sharing 😊🙏🏻
Hi! I think when it comes to turbulence, speed is not your friend. The faster you're flying when you get a collapse, the more explosive that collapse will be, so if anything, slowing down in turbulence will make you safer - you'll feel the bumps more, but you're further away from the point of a collapse due to the increase in the angle of attack of the wing. Thanks for the kind words! 🙏
That looked like he died at first. Glad it was clay. Its pretty amazing to hear all the micro adjustments that he was making in that very short period of time. I bet that little board walk in the opening is fun place to soar. :🤓
yeah more people have this collapse on a moustache .. before the moustache there was always a lot of critique for the little cloud mini wings .. its all in the game and sooner or later we get relaxed and .... 🙂
@gmy33 I've not heard of other collapses like this on the Mo. Infact even Flare haven't. They contacted people wanting to know more about this because of its rarity. 🤷♂️
@Ripstop_pilot I know 2 good soaring pilots who don't want to fly moustache becouse of the lower air pressure in wing..and they experienced one sided collapse.. but that's becouse they are used to little cloud ... its just different flying .. the biggest negative of a moustache is that it's not good for learning . The wing is too easy to fly so you won't learn " the wind "
The problem and fact of the matter. is that many pilots simply underestimate cliff soaring, as specially low proximity flying, compared to flying in the Alps. Regardless of regular or flex wing. Ridge flying gives you a false "feeling of security" which can really hurt you. A slide change of wind direction combined with a ruff (not smooth parallel running ridge line) will let you drop like a rock. There is no 180 degree escape route. There isn't time for a reserve throw. He can be really thankful and give a big prayer to the lord to be alive. What I truly don't understand, why people still don't wear any heavy duty body armor- protection gear while ridge flying ( like I do for years). Seriously. Do this on our Portuguese or Spanish Vulcan cliffs and you are a dead man. That's for sure. To be clear. Cliff/ridge flying can, has and will kill you if not done properly. Here at the cliffs, it doesn't mean squat, if you are an "experienced" alpine/mountain pilot. Arrogance and ignorance had plenty of pilots crash into the rocks. Some walked hurting home, others flew with a helicopter straight to the operation room. I see it here every year. Tendency climbing !!!! Positive sidenote: You blew mustaches ridiculous advertisements and have shown the world the reality of paragliding.
Thanks for sharing your lessons learnt , I'm also glad it turned out well Tristen🙏. I think the lead-up to the incident is the key takeaway for me. Identifying the change of wind direction and its effects on the cliff. I also think situational awareness was affected by a little complacency due to flying 4 hours in the same area prior to the incident.
Thanks for the follow up. It's easy to see what happened and why, however it's great to hear it from the perspective of the pilot. Glad you're ok and got to walk away. Stay safe..
THANKS for sharing, glad you escaped injury, I flew into Rotor in 2016 ended up with 3 broken vertebrae and a broken coccyx. Large margins required but it only takes 1 error of judgement by the pilot to sometimes end in disaster. Thankfully, you were VERY lucky.
Thank you for this insight. It helps! Stoked to hear your reflections. Happy you’re okay.
Nice to hear a switched on pilot talk about a crash (for a change). Kudos.
Holy Sh**! That was lucky! Thanks for sharing this both
I appreciate the breakdown. Well described 👌
Awesome to see someone open up about assessing what went wrong
Thanks for sharing, I avoid the leeside at all times due to that possible rotor. Glad your safe mate and get yourself up again asap so you get over that buddy.
Thanks mate! I was flying again the same day! I actually plucked myself out of the mud, walked up the cliff and took off to fly away from the crash. Took the corner much wider that time 🤣
@ nice one buddy 👍🏻
Great follow up, really interesting. Cheers!
Great debrief. On parakites, I have had one concerning moment when soaring at Hay Bluff one day. About to take off, out of the corner of my eye I just saw a wingtip skimming below the edge of the hill. Part of the challenge is that they don't fly like paragliders, so seems unpredictable to other pilots. Kinda like cars and motorbikes on a track day. (Please don't get me wrong, I'm really keen to start flying them too, precisely because of the ability to keep flying when it's windier).
"oh shit", takes 3-4 seconds to say or think it. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much guys. So good to share for our education and improvement. ❤
We might release too fast. My bigger collapses all were at full speed and after a "releasing" input.
good point hands shot up hold a bit ease left hand wing will fly on half what pressure will stay in center
Great analysis.
I’m really not qualified to comment but these postmortems are really interesting and get you thinking. Is it possible, at the risk of loosing pressure, that the breaking before collapse wasnt the best move as it would have reduced the forward air speed making it more susceptible to rotor? Based on the huge flying hours I would imagine muscle memory took over after the collapse and he weight shifted without even realizing to prevent a spin. Great interview and glad it didn’t end badly for the chap. Like over the Needles! Thanks for sharing 😊🙏🏻
Hi! I think when it comes to turbulence, speed is not your friend. The faster you're flying when you get a collapse, the more explosive that collapse will be, so if anything, slowing down in turbulence will make you safer - you'll feel the bumps more, but you're further away from the point of a collapse due to the increase in the angle of attack of the wing. Thanks for the kind words! 🙏
@ okay thanks for explaining! That’s good to know and understand
60% collapse caused by flying into obvious rotor zone. Pilot error. Glad he gets to walk away and lesson learnt.
That looked like he died at first. Glad it was clay. Its pretty amazing to hear all the micro adjustments that he was making in that very short period of time. I bet that little board walk in the opening is fun place to soar. :🤓
14:40 - I agree Tristans a pretty expiring pilot 😂
🤣🤣🤣 I was wondering when someone was going to comment on that hahaha
yeah more people have this collapse on a moustache .. before the moustache there was always a lot of critique for the little cloud mini wings .. its all in the game and sooner or later we get relaxed and .... 🙂
@gmy33 I've not heard of other collapses like this on the Mo. Infact even Flare haven't. They contacted people wanting to know more about this because of its rarity. 🤷♂️
@Ripstop_pilot I know 2 good soaring pilots who don't want to fly moustache becouse of the lower air pressure in wing..and they experienced one sided collapse.. but that's becouse they are used to little cloud ... its just different flying .. the biggest negative of a moustache is that it's not good for learning . The wing is too easy to fly so you won't learn " the wind "
yeah.. its not a paraglider.. its the baby of a kite and a paraglider wing.. looks like it can be painful.. ger well soon bro!
Beginner's mistake, even birds don't fly in the rotor.
@filipbakota2505 wrong. Birds will fly dynamic lift caused by rotor 😉
So he's not injured?
No not at all. I walked away completely unharmed.
The problem and fact of the matter. is that many pilots simply underestimate cliff soaring, as specially low proximity flying, compared to flying in the Alps.
Regardless of regular or flex wing. Ridge flying gives you a false "feeling of security" which can really hurt you.
A slide change of wind direction combined with a ruff (not smooth parallel running ridge line) will let you drop like a rock. There is no 180 degree escape route. There isn't time for a reserve throw.
He can be really thankful and give a big prayer to the lord to be alive.
What I truly don't understand, why people still don't wear any heavy duty body armor- protection gear while ridge flying ( like I do for years). Seriously.
Do this on our Portuguese or Spanish Vulcan cliffs and you are a dead man.
That's for sure.
To be clear.
Cliff/ridge flying can, has and will kill you if not done properly. Here at the cliffs, it doesn't mean squat, if you are an "experienced" alpine/mountain pilot.
Arrogance and ignorance had
plenty of pilots crash into the rocks. Some walked hurting home, others flew with a helicopter straight to the operation room.
I see it here every year.
Tendency climbing !!!!
Positive sidenote:
You blew mustaches ridiculous advertisements and have shown the world the reality of paragliding.
left brake would have saved it
He used left brake
Too much opposite brake can quickly stall the rest of the wing. I think he was close to an optimal reaction for the situation. 👍
@@cabanford 🙏
@@ApexHerbivore ah no
@@cabanford for a start 70% collapse nup but what would I no been there from early years
Thanks for sharing!