Hi, would you be able to make a lesson explaining the difference between chromatic and diatonic transposing and when to use the last one? There are same texts around about that topic but they are a bit confusing. Thank you for your amazing way of teaching.
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No need to go to the doctor? But the doctor needs to see you! I've turned the age of 60 last week and I must say, I always wanted to be able to play an instrument, read and understand music. My parents didn't want me to go to music school because "music wouldn't buy me bread". So I became a doctor (which also turned out to be very exciting) and bought more bread than we could eat. And a keyboard! So now it's time for music at last! It's not that I know nothing about the music. I can even put my hands on a keyboard, play chords and a simple tune over them. But I'm sure you know that sort of "musicians" and that's certainly not the place where I want to stay. Last week I came across your channel and instantly loved it. I've just swallowed the first twelve piano lessons, but I understand that to learn my hands the proper position and shape (or muscle memory, as we doctors tend to call it) needs to take more time, so I decided to remain on this level for a while or as much as it takes to feel comfortable. In the meantime, I take theory lessons with you or other TH-camrs. (And now, finally to the point). In this lesson, you gave us a nice and clear idea of a hemiola in rhythm. But this raised a question in my head, "Would it be even more interesting if the left hand played chords of crotchets, i.e. proper three beats per bar? I figured out a simple progression: F, Gmin, C, F, Dmin, Gmin/E, C, F, etc. but I can't play it both hands so I don't know if it makes any sense or is just a nightmare. Changing chord every two beats when a time signature is 3/4 must be an odd thing, but I would love to know your answer. Cheers from Poland.
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Thanks! I was watching the Dvořák violin concerto played by Hillary Hahn interview and she talked about the hemiola in the theme of the piece and how the beat wasn’t what you thought it was and when you said it displaces the accents and I see why she said there was a hemiola because she accents every other beat and it made me understand the piece so much better.
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I've never heard of the Hemiola, thanks for enlightening me. This tune reminds me of a piece music but I can't place it! Thanks for the lesson and have a Happy Christmas to you and yours.
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Thanks for the music lessons. I marched in D.C. in 2007 with a sign that said everyone matters. now, it's everywhere in some form. have pic proof. all rights reserved
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Is there a similar music theory concept towards evening out odd bars of say, 5 and 7? Neil Peart from Rush seems to play in even bars across odd times in songs like Limelight, Red Barchetta etc.
Hello dear teacher! I just wanted to clarify something in my head about the hemiola. Would this be an example of a polymeter instead of polyrhythm? Because the polyrhythm would be spaced only in 1 bar, and here we have it spaced through several bars. P.s. thank you for the wonderful video!
I'm not sure if this counts, but the opening of the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 5th piano concerto has always sounded like a hemiola to me. It's in 4/4, and both hands are playing triplets, but the left hand plays them normally with the emphasis on beat, and the right hand emphasises every second triplet, so you get six strong beats every bar instead of four.
The opening piano statement certainly uses cross rhythms but hemiola has a more specific meaning ie the temporary organisation of two time in a three time context.
Hello Gareth, is there a tendency, in music generally, to set notes in odd numbered groups in, say, common time, as these even numbered groups are set in hemiola?(I'm thinking about "The Butcher Boy", for example, where the rhythm is gentle and yet very affecting.) Or, maybe, I'm overthinking it? Did somebody mention a doctor?!
What if in an ensemble, only one part (say drums) does a hemiola while the others keep in their time. Would this still be called a hemiola or something seperate? Thanks youZ!
Interesting. It got me thinking about something else. Do you know No. 166 from the Cantigas de Santa Maria? Or even America from West Side Story (I’m rather more familiar with the first one!). In both of these the time signature appears to alternate between 6/8 and 3/4. Is there a name for this?
as a guitarist we normally come across it with pieces that jump from 6/8 to 3/4 . Like in Canarios by Gaspar Sanz. I thought you'd be talking about that. They don't really cross bars but the accents are moved.
That is certainly a form of rhythmic displacement that is frequently encountered in music. It’s not in itself hemiola but it’s good to know what the displacement options are.
@@MusicMattersGB Oh I see. I've been looking up hemiola and everyone seems to have a slightly different opinion and approach. I called the 3/4 - 6/8 a hemiola because the online guitar teacher Douglas Neidt does here douglasniedt.com/hemiola.html perhaps you could have a look and tell me what you think. It's not long...
@@Ana_crusis, the principle is the same. If you remove the barline (and the meter, which will be determined by several elements), the hemiola as explained here and the duality 3/4-6/8 is the same. Now, it is usually referred as a 2 against 3 polyrhythm grouping occur within a metrical measure, or as a hemiola when it goes beyond the barline (the expression of a 3/2 measure in the place of two 3/4 measures). The term "hemiola" has been used to describe different rhythm phenomenon displaying relations between 2 and 3, so it is not incorrect. However, conventionality sometimes dictates otherwise. Greetings!
Hello teacher, I have a question about the hemiola. Long time ago I had a class about odd meters and the meter of 7/8 was taken as an example, it was explained to me as 2+2+3, 2+3+2 and 3+2+2, the teacher told us; "that all we are doing is moving the hemiola(referring to the "3")", but from watching this video I got confused. Was my teacher wrong or am I not understanding this video completely?
According to Aaron Copeland video ‘music from the 1920’s’...the song fascinating rhythm has 3 different time signatures, though I have never seen it notated that way. Would you consider covering this? It seems to be vaguely related to this video, though the Gershwin tune is normally shown in 4/4.
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I think Schubert used 3/4 even though it sounds like 3/2 in the third movement of his Gasteiner Sonata, it has always confused me! Is it still hemiola?
Many years ago when I was playing loads of Renaissance music, a professor said something like: "oh that's not a hemiola, it's just a long three." I have puzzled over that ever since. Have you ever heard of such a distinction?
I've received a different idea about what a hemiola is: that the first of two measures is divided into two beats, whereas the second measure is divided into three beats. So, in 3/4 time, if the first measure consists of two dotted crotchets and then the second measure three crotchets, then this is an instance of a horizontal hemiola. Would you say that this description is compatible with yours?
That’s a different situation from the hemiola. With a hemiola in 3/4 we are organising rhythms in groups of two beats to form a hemiola. The situation you describe is perfectly valid but it’s not having the same impact as a hemiola. Either it’s producing a cross rhythm with the three crotchet beats or it’s presenting a bar of 6/8 alongside the 3/4 bars.
Hi, don't know if you'll see this comment but I have a question: You're saying that a hemiola can only be a 2 beat feel used in a triple time piece, but I've read on other places that a hemiola can be the other way around, meaning a triple time beat in a 2 beats piece, is that false?
Anything that creates units of two within an expected context of three counts as hemiola so you could have two or more adjacent crotchets in a 6/8 bar that would form a hemiola. Much more at www.mmcourses.co.uk including details of our online courses and of our exciting Maestros programme.
If you’re doing 6/8 time and only play the 1st, 3rd, and 5th eighth notes (or I supposed extend those 3 eighth notes into 3 full quarter notes) is that considered a hemiola? It’s like what you wrote out, but twice as fast. I also find it interesting that by grouping a triple meter into two’s and creating a double feel, you also essentially get another, slower triplet pattern
So basically a hemiola is when the composer either couldn't be bothered to change the time signature on the sheets, or just wanted their music to look more fancy on paper
@@MusicMattersGB I agree that it definitely makes the music interesting, but you can have the exact effect when just changing the time signature for a short while, which is obviously common. I'm not saying we shouldn't have hemolias or that we shouldn't call them that or whatever, I'm just thinking it's an easy way to describe it to those still struggling to understand
Polyphonic renaissance music is full of hemiolas, and then often it will happen in some-but-not-all voices, so changing he time signature wouldn't work.
In 6/16 you have six sixteenth notes. It’s a Compound time so divide them into two groups of three. Each group of three adds up to a dotted eighth note so you have two dotted eighth note beats. In 3/8 you will also have 6 sixteenth notes but this time divide them into three groups of two, which gives you three eighth note beats. The two time signatures are therefore identical mathematically but different musically.
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... could anybody tell me why is he using that 'legato'? This is actually making a quarter note longer, so the first bar is resulting to be a 4/4 while the second, 2/4??!!!!!!!????????????
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Hi, would you be able to make a lesson explaining the difference between chromatic and diatonic transposing and when to use the last one? There are same texts around about that topic but they are a bit confusing. Thank you for your amazing way of teaching.
My own view is that the method I’ve outlined in Music Matters videos is the most reliable method.
Thank you sir! You have explained the hemiola very clealrly
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Crystal clear. Used in Jazz Waltzes at times. This will also avoid a visit to my family doctor! Thank you.
Absolutely. 😀re the Doctor.
Thank you so much for your work
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OMG KronoMuzik ici ahah
J'étais en train d'écouter un mec analyser un morceau de Metal Progressif et d'un coup il mentionne l'hémiole donc pour savoir ce que c'est je me retrouve sur cette vidéo et te voilà en commentaire, stylé
No need to go to the doctor? But the doctor needs to see you! I've turned the age of 60 last week and I must say, I always wanted to be able to play an instrument, read and understand music. My parents didn't want me to go to music school because "music wouldn't buy me bread". So I became a doctor (which also turned out to be very exciting) and bought more bread than we could eat. And a keyboard! So now it's time for music at last! It's not that I know nothing about the music. I can even put my hands on a keyboard, play chords and a simple tune over them. But I'm sure you know that sort of "musicians" and that's certainly not the place where I want to stay.
Last week I came across your channel and instantly loved it. I've just swallowed the first twelve piano lessons, but I understand that to learn
my hands the proper position and shape (or muscle memory, as we doctors tend to call it) needs to take more time, so I decided to remain on this level for a while or as much as it takes to feel comfortable.
In the meantime, I take theory lessons with you or other TH-camrs. (And now, finally to the point). In this lesson, you gave us a nice and clear idea of a hemiola in rhythm. But this raised a question in my head, "Would it be even more interesting if the left hand played chords of crotchets, i.e. proper three beats per bar? I figured out a simple progression: F, Gmin, C, F, Dmin, Gmin/E, C, F, etc. but I can't play it both hands so I don't know if it makes any sense or is just a nightmare. Changing chord every two beats when a time signature is 3/4 must be an odd thing, but I would love to know your answer.
Cheers from Poland.
Great to hear from you and to hear something of your journey. That would work fine. You can also set up cross rhythms eg hemiola in one hand; not in the other. Have a look at www.mmcourses.co.uk for much more material.
I'm so happy for you man. good luck
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Keep moving forward toward that passion, it's awesome that you're learning seriously now
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Thanks! I was watching the Dvořák violin concerto played by Hillary Hahn interview and she talked about the hemiola in the theme of the piece and how the beat wasn’t what you thought it was and when you said it displaces the accents and I see why she said there was a hemiola because she accents every other beat and it made me understand the piece so much better.
That’s great. Dvorak loves this technique
Thank you, sir, that was an awesome explanation. simple and short. thank you once again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The best explanation of what a hemiola I 've heard yet. Thank you Gareth.
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Super helpful thank you! I am going to try this in a composition.
That’s great.
this helped me so much with my music theory homework, thank you!
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hahaha Thank you! I certainly don't need to go to see a doctor! haha That was very relieving and great expression. :)
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Actually a perfect explanation.
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This is a good explanation! Thank you sir,
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I've never heard of the Hemiola, thanks for enlightening me. This tune reminds me of a piece music but I can't place it! Thanks for the lesson and have a Happy Christmas to you and yours.
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I finally understand hemiolas! Thank you!
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Great job explaining! It helped me understand quickly!
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thank you for this. hoping this will help get me one step forward to acing my theory test!
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Thanks for the music lessons. I marched in D.C. in 2007 with a sign that said everyone matters. now, it's everywhere in some form. have pic proof. all rights reserved
Brilliant. Good to hear from you.
Brilliantly explained
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Thank you so much, I kept thinking it is like a trill
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absolute legend thank you sir
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Thanks Gareth! For an amazing explanation
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Dr. I have hemiola! hahahah thank you for your brilliant teaching method!
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marvelously clear explanation. thank you sir.
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Thank you! It's very helpful.
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Professor Robert Greenberg has an English cousin. Same jokes also!
Such an excellent channel.
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this video is freaking mindblowing to me XD
Hemiola is a great rhythmic device.
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Is there a similar music theory concept towards evening out odd bars of say, 5 and 7? Neil Peart from Rush seems to play in even bars across odd times in songs like Limelight, Red Barchetta etc.
Irregular phrase lengths are perfectly possible. Sometimes one phrase can balance another eg 5 bars then 3 bars.
Never heard of it....Thank you
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Hello dear teacher! I just wanted to clarify something in my head about the hemiola. Would this be an example of a polymeter instead of polyrhythm? Because the polyrhythm would be spaced only in 1 bar, and here we have it spaced through several bars.
P.s. thank you for the wonderful video!
It’s not polymetre because the metre is not changed. There might even be other parts going on simultaneously in undisturbed triple time
I'm not sure if this counts, but the opening of the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 5th piano concerto has always sounded like a hemiola to me.
It's in 4/4, and both hands are playing triplets, but the left hand plays them normally with the emphasis on beat, and the right hand emphasises every second triplet, so you get six strong beats every bar instead of four.
The opening piano statement certainly uses cross rhythms but hemiola has a more specific meaning ie the temporary organisation of two time in a three time context.
Hello Gareth, is there a tendency, in music generally, to set notes in odd numbered groups in, say, common time, as these even numbered groups are set in hemiola?(I'm thinking about "The Butcher Boy", for example, where the rhythm is gentle and yet very affecting.) Or, maybe, I'm overthinking it? Did somebody mention a doctor?!
Certainly some composers like to play around with unusual rhythmic groupings
What if in an ensemble, only one part (say drums) does a hemiola while the others keep in their time. Would this still be called a hemiola or something seperate? Thanks youZ!
Absolutely. Hemiola in the drum part
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Interesting. It got me thinking about something else. Do you know No. 166 from the Cantigas de Santa Maria? Or even America from West Side Story (I’m rather more familiar with the first one!). In both of these the time signature appears to alternate between 6/8 and 3/4. Is there a name for this?
It can create hemiola as it does in West Side Story (America). Otherwise it’s just an alternation of two time signatures
@@MusicMattersGB OK, thanks Gareth.
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as a guitarist we normally come across it with pieces that jump from 6/8 to 3/4 . Like in Canarios by Gaspar Sanz. I thought you'd be talking about that. They don't really cross bars but the accents are moved.
That is certainly a form of rhythmic displacement that is frequently encountered in music. It’s not in itself hemiola but it’s good to know what the displacement options are.
@@MusicMattersGB Oh I see. I've been looking up hemiola and everyone seems to have a slightly different opinion and approach. I called the 3/4 - 6/8 a hemiola because the online guitar teacher Douglas Neidt does here
douglasniedt.com/hemiola.html
perhaps you could have a look and tell me what you think. It's not long...
@@Ana_crusis, the principle is the same. If you remove the barline (and the meter, which will be determined by several elements), the hemiola as explained here and the duality 3/4-6/8 is the same. Now, it is usually referred as a 2 against 3 polyrhythm grouping occur within a metrical measure, or as a hemiola when it goes beyond the barline (the expression of a 3/2 measure in the place of two 3/4 measures). The term "hemiola" has been used to describe different rhythm phenomenon displaying relations between 2 and 3, so it is not incorrect. However, conventionality sometimes dictates otherwise. Greetings!
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Hello teacher, I have a question about the hemiola. Long time ago I had a class about odd meters and the meter of 7/8 was taken as an example, it was explained to me as 2+2+3, 2+3+2 and 3+2+2, the teacher told us; "that all we are doing is moving the hemiola(referring to the "3")", but from watching this video I got confused. Was my teacher wrong or am I not understanding this video completely?
I don’t recognise your teacher’s account. Think of it as the temporary use of two time in a three time context.
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According to Aaron Copeland video ‘music from the 1920’s’...the song fascinating rhythm has 3 different time signatures, though I have never seen it notated that way. Would you consider covering this? It seems to be vaguely related to this video, though the Gershwin tune is normally shown in 4/4.
There’s lots of syncopated rhythm in that piece.
Will similar works to impose 4/4 to be 3/4? E.g. using 2 x crotchet with dot and crotchet and crotchet with 2 x crotchet with dot.
Hemiola is specific in that it describes the organisation of duple time units within a triple time framework.
@@MusicMattersGB Thank you for that response. I had a similar question.
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I hadn't heard of this musical medical condition, nice
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does hemiola always appears in crotchets and minims, and does it always follow the order that you presented in the video?
It could be other time values.
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Interesting ☺️
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Thanks for the informative video. Some of the rhythmic changes in Debussy’s Clair de lune appear to be good examples of hemiola. Do you agree?
Absolutely
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Hello! I did basic music theory many moons again; is the line “I want to be in America” from WSS an example of a hemiola?
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I think Schubert used 3/4 even though it sounds like 3/2 in the third movement of his Gasteiner Sonata, it has always confused me! Is it still hemiola?
Hemiola is specifically a temporary organisation in duple time of a piece in triple time.
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Many years ago when I was playing loads of Renaissance music, a professor said something like: "oh that's not a hemiola, it's just a long three." I have puzzled over that ever since. Have you ever heard of such a distinction?
Not heard of that
is this the same as African 2 against 3 poly rhythms. like tinariwen or other stuff?
Hi. Not really. Hemiola is when you organise the rhythm in groups of two beats within a triple time metre eg 12 31 23 etc
Can hemiola be on 4 beat time signature? (Like 6+6+4)?
No
I've received a different idea about what a hemiola is: that the first of two measures is divided into two beats, whereas the second measure is divided into three beats. So, in 3/4 time, if the first measure consists of two dotted crotchets and then the second measure three crotchets, then this is an instance of a horizontal hemiola. Would you say that this description is compatible with yours?
That’s a different situation from the hemiola. With a hemiola in 3/4 we are organising rhythms in groups of two beats to form a hemiola. The situation you describe is perfectly valid but it’s not having the same impact as a hemiola. Either it’s producing a cross rhythm with the three crotchet beats or it’s presenting a bar of 6/8 alongside the 3/4 bars.
Thank you! I'll bear this mind going forward...
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@@MusicMattersGB That sounds like what happens in "America" from _West Side Story._ I think it alternates bars of 3/4 and 6/8 the whole way through.
Hi, don't know if you'll see this comment but I have a question:
You're saying that a hemiola can only be a 2 beat feel used in a triple time piece, but I've read on other places that a hemiola can be the other way around, meaning a triple time beat in a 2 beats piece, is that false?
The hemiola definition doesn’t include the reverse. It’s specifically two in a three time context.
@@MusicMattersGB OK so the French article on Wikipedia must be corrected then!
But how would three in a two time context would be called then ??
I don’t know a term for that.
@@MusicMattersGB Ok, thansk for the really quick answers :)
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aren't hemiolas the polar opposite of tuplets? using these two as metric modulation?
Hemiola is really the temporary imposition of two time within a three time context.
If Hemiola only exist in 3 or 6/8, what do you call an implied grouping of 3 in 4/4 or 2/4?
You can do other groupings but 2 in the context of 3 is the hemiola
What piece did you play when you preformed?
Improvised examples
i heard that preparation H does wonders for hemiola............. just try it
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I am not able to find a better explanation!
That’s kind. Thank you.
Would it not work for 6/8th's too?
Anything that creates units of two within an expected context of three counts as hemiola so you could have two or more adjacent crotchets in a 6/8 bar that would form a hemiola. Much more at www.mmcourses.co.uk including details of our online courses and of our exciting Maestros programme.
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is this what is happening on the B section of Saga of Harrison Crabfeathers?
I don’t know the piece but quite possibly.
If you’re doing 6/8 time and only play the 1st, 3rd, and 5th eighth notes (or I supposed extend those 3 eighth notes into 3 full quarter notes) is that considered a hemiola? It’s like what you wrote out, but twice as fast. I also find it interesting that by grouping a triple meter into two’s and creating a double feel, you also essentially get another, slower triplet pattern
Absolutely possible to do that in 6/8 and yes that would form a triplet. It’s fascinating stuff!
2:28 except when it does; example: day dreaming Radiohead.
Absolutely
Is hemiola means valse rythme ?
Not really. It’s when triple time bars are divided into pairs of beats.
@@MusicMattersGB Aha got it thanks🌹
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So basically a hemiola is when the composer either couldn't be bothered to change the time signature on the sheets, or just wanted their music to look more fancy on paper
That’s one way of looking at it! Better still, it’s a subtle rhythmic device that causes an interesting interplay of duple and triple metre.
@@MusicMattersGB I agree that it definitely makes the music interesting, but you can have the exact effect when just changing the time signature for a short while, which is obviously common. I'm not saying we shouldn't have hemolias or that we shouldn't call them that or whatever, I'm just thinking it's an easy way to describe it to those still struggling to understand
Yes although there’s a subtle difference between counting 12 12 12 and 12 31 23 etc.
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Polyphonic renaissance music is full of hemiolas, and then often it will happen in some-but-not-all voices, so changing he time signature wouldn't work.
if I have 5 bars of 6/16, while the drums are playing in a rhythm of 4/16, does that count as a hemiola?
Regardless of the number of bars if one part is in 6/16 and the other in 3/8 that would be hemiola
I don't get it
In 6/16 you have six sixteenth notes. It’s a Compound time so divide them into two groups of three. Each group of three adds up to a dotted eighth note so you have two dotted eighth note beats. In 3/8 you will also have 6 sixteenth notes but this time divide them into three groups of two, which gives you three eighth note beats. The two time signatures are therefore identical mathematically but different musically.
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... could anybody tell me why is he using that 'legato'? This is actually making a quarter note longer, so the first bar is resulting to be a 4/4 while the second, 2/4??!!!!!!!????????????
It’s not about legato. It’s about temporarily imposing 2 time on 3 time