I really miss studioproducts and especially the forum. I hope you are doing well Rob. You gave a lot of artist free help and good sound advice. I was one of them and thank you for it.
Excellent photography--- Excellent voice... Yes, this egg-oil tempera 'sets' fast [ in minutes. but , it does not solidify hard. This is a disadvantage because any 'oil out' to lubricate the 'set' surface, lifts the tempera paint. Since the amount of oil added is not measured [ more oil is seen being poured freely into the mixer], one sees it is a ' fat emulsion' vs a ' lean emulsion'. Still, a good video--Thank you, Mr Howard, Louis Velasquez [ Oil Painting with Calcite Sun Oil' ]
I suppose in some places, it might be called egg tempera, but that's almsot as off-target as calling it automotive lacquer. Egg tempera is egg yolk, water and pigment and must be done on a panel, not canvas. Because this is made with additional oil, it is a combination of oil and water...an emulsion. Very different from egg tempera.
Pure tempera is just made with the egg yolk. This is tempera glassa. Both are best made and used fresh. However, though I haven't tried it, I suppose one could store it in an air tight jar and keep it in the fridge for a few days.
@vinishdo There were two yolks.There were two yolks. Unrefrigerated eggs are used, The emulsion is made fresh. This is just a small clip of a large video on painting mediums of all kinds.
What kind of oil were you using there?Was it cold-pressed linseed? And how many yolks..(I noticed that it looked as though you already had some more egg yolk in the blender.. Thanks..
@AlcoholicMage @AlcoholicMage There are some nice egg/oil emulsion paintings done before the Renaissance. It's a medium that "settles in" quickly and after that there's very little change. I feel that my emulsions paintings will last long enough to embarrass my grandchildren. As an underpainting, it's unbelievable how much you can get done before having to switch over to oils. Because it's so lean, the oils on top are unlikely to ever see any problems.
I wish books and other sources explained these non-solvent methods and techniques of oil painting with greater regularity and depth. Or mentioned them at all. I might have started oil painting years earlier!
Hello, can I coat with rabbit skin glue and gypsum directly on birch plywood and paint with egg tempera without linen, or cloth, or other else? I am waiting for answering, thank you very much.
Hi- I just saw this - to answer your question: YES oil paint already has oil in it- HOWEVER - you cannot EFFECTIVELY add egg to oil paint - it will float on top - BUT YOU can add the egg to the oil paint very effectively if you FIRST create a very simple emulsion - get an egg white - NOT THE YOLK because the yolk is. All egg oil- put the egg white in a bowl -NOW - beat the egg white with a metal spoon and it will froth - carefully remove the froth and out it I to a glass jar - return to the bowl and continue to beat the egg to froth it- repeat this over and over until there is no more egg white to froth -NOW - let the froth DISTILL into a clear liquid - thus us now called GLAIR - NOW you mix 2 spoons of the GLAIR with 3 spoons if the linseed oil and shake well until it’s well mixed - it will become white opaque - NOW add a couple of drops to your oil paint - and grind together - see how easy it is to add egg to oil paint !! NOW- if you add more emulsion the oil paint gets fluid!! So only add what you need - NOW - to create thick IMPASTO - add some calcium carbonate chalk and grind well together - add only what you need to get the degree if impasto you want Denny books on Amazon - OUL PAINTING LESSONS WITH REMBRANDT AND CALCITE SUN OIL - Best wishes - LOUIS velasquez
I have a quick question for you. first of all Im new to all this adding egg to paint pigments thing, Ive always just used linseed oil with my oil paints or gouache from the tube, etc.. But recently I decided to take the egg tempera challenge! I did an ok job with the rabbit skin glue and marble dust panel gesso (was a bit on the thin side of the RSG but I gave it about 8 coats with intermediate lite sanding, well once I got my panels ready to paint, I used pigments and egg/water mix ratio pretty much like what I see on You Tube... a consistency of a good water color blend for washes. I didn't go on too thick ever and I was careful not to get grease of anything on my surface. Well, after I had completed a portion of the painting I wanted to go over the whole thing with a lite wash and the areas that I had painted where basically coming up and washing away :( do you have any idea why it would not had been permanent, or is a fresh coat of egg tempera a workable, smudgeable surface that needs to be sealed? I really though egg tempera was a permanent bond once it dries in a few minutes. thanks for your help in advance!
I had exactly the same experience 40 yrs. ago , and basically quit egg tempera...back them , no internet , and info hard to get......so , have you found a solution yet ? I had some panels left , and began painting with watercolor , difficult , delicate , but a new look...been doing that 20/30 yrs now , even big 32"X40+ landscapes.....i'm now looking @ oil emulsions bored and jaded , hoping a new approach will revitalize ..
These kinds of surface are supposed to be "fooden" with some alchemies. Try a coat ofshellack following with another coat of dissolved alum in water . O.o
Thank you so much for your instructions in how make tempera glassa. my first attempt was perfect, but subsequent mixes just won't dry enough and becomes chalky. What am I doing wrong? I have tried a variety of oils from basic linseed, thickened linseed and quick drying linseed. It is so frustrating, after having built layers of glazes for the opaqueness of the white to duller and flatten all the glow and vibrancy!
I'm of the opinion that painting on canvas is an archaic , absurd notion....it's proven to be so in the 400 or so yrs by the huge restoration depts. in museums , etc..... it's unreasonable to expect a brittle paint layer applied to a flexible substrate to last.............why does such a shoddy practice persist ? nice video here , thanks
it's still tempera, tempera encompasses many things, plain tempera is pigment and egg yolk/water. tempera grassa is oil and egg, there is tempera resist painting. etc.
@@kcajmortsnnew1488 I paint with oils on canvas and have had good reason to due to size. I'm not even sure you can get 9 ft x 12 ft panels. It'd have to be a Triptych which wouldn't be quite the same.
@@atlantic_love That's rather a big assumption, which is in fact incorrect. I don't have the funds to buy large canvas's. I used to buy my canvas from the sail makers. £23 for a 9 ft x 12 ft canvas.
I really miss studioproducts and especially the forum. I hope you are doing well Rob. You gave a lot of artist free help and good sound advice. I was one of them and thank you for it.
Beautiful painting 😍
he didn't really show anything.
this is basically maionaise ! Usually a bit of vinegar too is added as an anti-mold agent.
The oil used is a refined oil called Special Aged Linseed Oil. It's the only oil especially made for mixing with pigment.
I do miss this man a good teacher
Is he still around?
@@atlantic_love he passed a way. A few years ago
@@victoralosi1461Sorry to hear that :(
Excellent photography--- Excellent voice... Yes, this egg-oil tempera 'sets' fast
[ in minutes. but , it does not solidify hard. This is a disadvantage because any 'oil out' to lubricate the 'set' surface, lifts the tempera paint. Since the amount of oil added is not measured [ more oil is seen being poured freely into the mixer], one sees it is a ' fat emulsion' vs a ' lean emulsion'. Still, a good video--Thank you, Mr Howard, Louis Velasquez [ Oil Painting with Calcite Sun Oil' ]
I suppose in some places, it might be called egg tempera, but that's almsot as off-target as calling it automotive lacquer. Egg tempera is egg yolk, water and pigment and must be done on a panel, not canvas. Because this is made with additional oil, it is a combination of oil and water...an emulsion. Very different from egg tempera.
Pure tempera is just made with the egg yolk.
This is tempera glassa.
Both are best made and used fresh.
However, though I haven't tried it, I suppose one could store it in an air tight jar and keep it in the fridge for a few days.
@vinishdo
There were two yolks.There were two yolks. Unrefrigerated eggs are used, The emulsion is made fresh. This is just a small clip of a large video on painting mediums of all kinds.
What kind of oil were you using there?Was it cold-pressed linseed? And how many yolks..(I noticed that it looked as though you already had some more egg yolk in the blender..
Thanks..
It produces a fast-drying and VERY lean underpainting that accepts subsequent layers of oil paint better than does straight oil paints.
Did the old masters use a blender?
yes
Yes , most often his name was #%^&*!
A whisk does the same thing but with more effort.
@AlcoholicMage @AlcoholicMage
There are some nice egg/oil emulsion paintings done before the Renaissance. It's a medium that "settles in" quickly and after that there's very little change. I feel that my emulsions paintings will last long enough to embarrass my grandchildren.
As an underpainting, it's unbelievable how much you can get done before having to switch over to oils. Because it's so lean, the oils on top are unlikely to ever see any problems.
I shall try this out today. Thank you.
I wish books and other sources explained these non-solvent methods and techniques of oil painting with greater regularity and depth. Or mentioned them at all. I might have started oil painting years earlier!
You said equal water to egg ratio but not how much oil to use. What type of linseed oil did you use?
Very interesting. Is this what is called tempera? Because of the compounds organic component, will it spoil or can it be kept?
Can the same emulsion be used for the colors to be added to the underpainting?
thank you for sharing
It is called Tempera grassa.
Can that emulsion be used as medium of regular oil paints . And how long the emulsion can be preserved in container.
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Can it be used i all layers, and impasto? (like rembrandt supposedly did?)
Hello, can I coat with rabbit skin glue and gypsum directly on birch plywood and paint with egg tempera without linen, or cloth, or other else? I am waiting for answering, thank you very much.
yes
Since oil paint already have oil inside, then why not mix egg York directly with oil paint?
Hi- I just saw this - to answer your question: YES oil paint already has oil in it- HOWEVER - you cannot EFFECTIVELY add egg to oil paint - it will float on top - BUT YOU can add the egg to the oil paint very effectively if you FIRST create a very simple emulsion - get an egg white - NOT THE YOLK because the yolk is. All egg oil- put the egg white in a bowl -NOW - beat the egg white with a metal spoon and it will froth - carefully remove the froth and out it I to a glass jar - return to the bowl and continue to beat the egg to froth it- repeat this over and over until there is no more egg white to froth -NOW - let the froth DISTILL into a clear liquid - thus us now called GLAIR - NOW you mix 2 spoons of the GLAIR with 3 spoons if the linseed oil and shake well until it’s well mixed - it will become white opaque - NOW add a couple of drops to your oil paint - and grind together - see how easy it is to add egg to oil paint !! NOW- if you add more emulsion the oil paint gets fluid!! So only add what you need - NOW - to create thick IMPASTO - add some calcium carbonate chalk and grind well together - add only what you need to get the degree if impasto you want
Denny books on Amazon - OUL PAINTING LESSONS WITH REMBRANDT AND CALCITE SUN OIL
- Best wishes - LOUIS velasquez
I have a quick question for you. first of all Im new to all this adding egg to paint pigments thing, Ive always just used linseed oil with my oil paints or gouache from the tube, etc.. But recently I decided to take the egg tempera challenge! I did an ok job with the rabbit skin glue and marble dust panel gesso (was a bit on the thin side of the RSG but I gave it about 8 coats with intermediate lite sanding, well once I got my panels ready to paint, I used pigments and egg/water mix ratio pretty much like what I see on You Tube... a consistency of a good water color blend for washes. I didn't go on too thick ever and I was careful not to get grease of anything on my surface. Well, after I had completed a portion of the painting I wanted to go over the whole thing with a lite wash and the areas that I had painted where basically coming up and washing away :( do you have any idea why it would not had been permanent, or is a fresh coat of egg tempera a workable, smudgeable surface that needs to be sealed? I really though egg tempera was a permanent bond once it dries in a few minutes. thanks for your help in advance!
I had exactly the same experience 40 yrs. ago , and basically quit egg tempera...back them , no internet , and info hard to get......so , have you found a solution yet ? I had some panels left , and began painting with watercolor , difficult , delicate , but a new look...been doing that 20/30 yrs now , even big 32"X40+ landscapes.....i'm now looking @ oil emulsions bored and jaded , hoping a new approach will revitalize ..
These kinds of surface are supposed to be "fooden" with some alchemies.
Try a coat ofshellack following with another coat of dissolved alum in water . O.o
Why use that only as an underpaint? Why not use it as a medium? Also why add water?
@studioprod What about pale grinders oil that has a higher acidity?
Thank you so much for your instructions in how make tempera glassa. my first attempt was perfect, but subsequent mixes just won't dry enough and becomes chalky. What am I doing wrong? I have tried a variety of oils from basic linseed, thickened linseed and quick drying linseed. It is so frustrating, after having built layers of glazes for the opaqueness of the white to duller and flatten all the glow and vibrancy!
Caroline Ziaian tempera grassa in NOT for build up thick layers of paint !!!!!,
It is use for painting with very diluted colors
What is name of this pigment sir?
Often called "egg tempera." The Old Masters used it, it has held up for centuries.
almost correct, it's actually tempera grassa
Sorry, tempera grassa, not glassa
This is not egg tempera because it can be used on canvas. Egg tempera should be used on rigid substrates. Egg tempera has no oil in it.
I'm of the opinion that painting on canvas is an archaic , absurd notion....it's proven to be so in the 400 or so yrs by the huge restoration depts. in museums , etc..... it's unreasonable to expect a brittle paint layer applied to a flexible substrate to last.............why does such a shoddy practice persist ? nice video here , thanks
it's still tempera, tempera encompasses many things, plain tempera is pigment and egg yolk/water. tempera grassa is oil and egg, there is tempera resist painting. etc.
@@kcajmortsnnew1488 I paint with oils on canvas and have had good reason to due to size. I'm not even sure you can get 9 ft x 12 ft panels. It'd have to be a Triptych which wouldn't be quite the same.
@@beatusqui Oh yeah? I bet you *think* you're a decent artist because you have the funds to buy such large canvases lol.
@@atlantic_love That's rather a big assumption, which is in fact incorrect. I don't have the funds to buy large canvas's. I used to buy my canvas from the sail makers. £23 for a 9 ft x 12 ft canvas.
Artist grade mayo... mmm
Wtf... I thought he was making an omelet! I was waiting for his to add some tomatoes and onions.