FLOOR 'Q' machine room! - old Schindler MICONIC lifts (camera sync)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- Schindler MICONIC lifts, with some camera synchronising.
Quite unusual to have floors using the alphabet A-Q, but love the way the floors are prepresented using the Schindler 'star-burst' LED displays, where you cannot QUITE get the proper letter shapes!
Notice how careful I was with pronouncing "FLOOR Q"...!!? :D
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This is neat, I love how the controller user interface has that 80s home microcomputer esthetics. As for the resolution, the characters have a 8x8 pixel resolution, with two columns and one row of pixels used for character spacing. There are 32 characters in a row, which gives us the 256 pixels of horizontal resolution, and 24 rows, giving us 192 pixels of vertical resolution, but since it can't do graphics (it's using special characters for car position, etc.), it's more appropriate to call it a 32x24 character display. The output looks to be monochrome composite video, so either that LCD has a composite input, or it's runniong throught a converter box. They keyboard looks to be a generic industrial ASCII keyboard, hard to tell if the communication is parallel or serial, since I can't see how wires are in that cable. This is what I can see as a retro computer enthusiast and IT professional :)
Amazing Schindler lifts! After more of 30 years and they moves like a champions. Very rare the floor level using letters, this is very common in Switzerland in hospitals. I love this M series generation of bottoms, chimes. Today still amazing. Excellent job. Is a pleasure see your videos
Absolutely! I'm amazed by just how much old original Schindler gear is still running! Thanks for the comment.
Love the old CRT!
I'm amazed at the fact that they're still using a CRT screen! Amazing lifts, love the sound of the doors!
The logic will output analogue video so finding a modern LCD/LED display which had the correct video input would be difficult now.
@@Xenon777_ It also probably doesn't get a lot of hours on the CRT. I bet it only gets turned on when they need to see something and remains off for most of the time.
@@Xenon777_ um no, it's very easy. analogue signals can be converted to digital using very cheap components. it's just not needed. why upgrade when it's going to be switched off majority of the time?? I hate the mentality that things that seem old need to be upgraded. this is such a narrow way of thinking for things. I guarantee if these lifts ever get modernised, the replacement will be a downgrade. they have full intelligent leveling and they are incredibly reliable.
@@Xenon777_ Not rlly. I know one building near me that has the Miconic display relayed down to the Ground floor. There's a modern small LCD TV from 2010's that shows it. I didn't even know much about Miconic's in general back then (2019) but I assumed it had to be it
@@jakewynn completely agree with you
An awesome elevator system with the microprocessor controller and CRT display plus KB. Just amazing the CGI showing the elevator cab moving on each hoist way, massive geared traction machines and the larger ones for moving beds. Likely 440-480 VAC 3 phase on the controllers. This was engineered and built to stand the test of time still going 44 yrs later.
They even spent time visualizing the doors opening and closing on each cab. You just gotta love that.
With this being filmed in a German-speaking country as evident by signs throughout the hospital, it's safe to assume that this runs off 480V 3-phase AC.
@@Colaholiker The lettering system indicating the floors is quite unique. A, B C etc. 480 VAC the traction machines are using a lot less amperage per phase than on a lower voltage. I've seen some DC machines on 150 VDC pulling nearly 100A
yes I agree!! You used to be able to find Kone TMS and Miconic quite often but they are being replaced with worse reliability and performance. it makes me so depressed. these were well engineered and are the pinnacle of their design.
MrMatt filming at a hospital somewhere in the German-speaking part of the world? Interesting.
But there's more interesting here - the floor numbering, which I have never seen in this part of the world using letters, the keyboards for the lift controller using a QWERTY layout, which is also not common where German is spoken (and therefore also not where Schindler are from).
I really like the visuals, even if this is certainly newer than the good old days of relays. It looks like the Commodore 64 I always dreamed of getting, but my parents would never buy for me...
Matt your videos are brilliant! I can sit watching them back to back for ages. Super informative and I find them really relaxing too. Thank you for your hard work. 🙂
Floor J in the cab, floor I on the monitoring display .... neat
Miconic war eine sehr zuverlässige Steuerung.
Hi mrmattmrchay I see that you have also seen these beautiful installations located in a hospital that I was also able to see but I did not film them.
I would like to point out that in many Swiss hospitals the floors are marked in letters rather than numbers which is therefore not so rare in the country.
At the base these were elevators installed by Schlieren and they probably had the Aconic controls originally, we can still recognize them with their typical Schlieren brand landing doors not to mention the winches (without the motors) which are still original.
Great video as always :)
Amazing to get this access. You can tell this is high end machinery, heavy duty, made to last, quiet and super smooth operation. I love the video graphic display, reminiscent of the Commodore 64. Are these lifts going to to be updated?
Using letters to indicate floors, why? To avoid superstition about certain numbers?
Using letters to indicate floors is a very common thing in Swiss hospitals - but only in hospitals. We generally don't do that in other buildings and we usually don't skip any floors.
@@TheLiftDragon yes at 3:50 On the maintenance report on the control cabinet you can briefly read “University Hospital Zurich Technical Service”.
@@Chemnitzsurfer Yes, the USZ had a lot of Schlieren lifts (or still does, but not original anymore) and now is one of the few remaining complexes in Switzerland with large Miconic V installations. In general, hospitals are probably the facilities with the largest multiplex groups you can find in Switzerland. We only have very few truly big office buildings.
Not necessarily with lifts, but sometimes the phonetic alphabet is used where a mistake in number reading could be an issue.
Can't speak for this instalation but in Sheffield they (likely) did it because they have ground entrances of some sort on A, B, C and I think D. Hard to have a ground floor then.
My old employer, fitted many a lift for them in the UK back in the 80s and 90s. We were known as the smurfs back then as we all wore the same smurf blue overalls and white hard hats.
Modern electronic lifts aren’t all bad. They’re still fascinating examples of engineering.
but they are worse... when the new ones are worse than the old ones why are people stupid enough to replace them
@@jakewynnno they are not worse
@@marcd6897 yes they are. compared to an older lift they are significant more unreliable and won't have even CLOSE to the working life. if you are modernising it's a stupid and unnecessary idea.
@@jakewynn yeah, sure. The old BS fairy tale, all modern tech is bad, all old tech is wonderful…. It doesn’t work in so few cases, I’d argue it’s the same here.
@@marcd6897 bro I have literally seen it with my own eyes. lifts that run on slate relays which I haven't seen out of service so much as once, gets replaced with Leicester controls and within the first month 2/4 are out of service. it's pathetic. it's somewhat there engineers fault as they have little passion for their work, but the fact still stands. if your don't see this you are oblivious and need to do some research.
Wow theyse lifts are classic 1990s lifts especually Schindler M series with miconic logic in my opinion miconic and aiconic logic is the best lift logic in the world sadly its rare to find them now 80% of them were modernized
Great stuff, nicely done as always Mr Matt! I returned to the original 1973 Otis black-button recently and got some better shots, which I'll upload in due course :)
Now THAT has character. Beautiful.
Many lift machine rooms in switzerland can opening with kaba5000 key!
As always another excellent video Matt. I also enjoyed your video on Castle caretech Meridian panels. I still have a first edition coffee mug 'Euro Meridian The World's First EN50131 Security System'; from Tony Lamb and Graham
Been a while since I watched you glad to see youre still going though.
I think i know why the elevator computer cabinets kept opened…its because to prevent the heats trapped inside the elevator computer cabinet… meanwhile in the apartment where i live… its also the same because they want to prevent the system being overheating for a long time 👍
are you sure about this??? when did Matt say that it was permanently left open? its best to have them closed. the lift in your apartment must be very cheap and unreliable if they are having to take extreme measures like this. they should have adequate cooling in the cabinet itself. the logic cabinet should be locked shut as there are relays and contacts in there which can kill you if you touch them.
@@jakewynn yeah “i think” …
It is extremely dangerous if they are opened…but when its closed…the elevator broke more oftenly…and theres 3 fan inside the cabinets…but only 1-2 fans working and some fans is broken because of heat…
Yeah the apartment elevator just not reliable and keeps broke itself…
And yeah there’s 3 old 2004 toshiba left unfixed :(
Incredibly detailed video as always Matt. Intrigued to see what looks like a good old prototyping breadboard at 8'13" - never seen that in a live system!!
What happened to floor F? Also, why does floor I appear on the monitor, but not in the elevators, and vice-versa for floor J which appears in the elevators but not on the monitor.
i remember when i was working in basingstoke aa build they still running the older schlinder with the older cabinets and a screen to move the lifts .opened 1968
That lift lobby is absolutely identical to Guy's Tower (Hospital) in London. Even the lifts are the same.
You've totally got my attention with the chime❤ I love Miconics❤
Wow, that is another really great presentation you made here! Really nice to see this Miconic V mod on the older lifts with the original Schlieren Gearboxes. Do you have any more information on the lift with the new motor? It looks like it's a Variodyn drive mod on that single Miconic V controller in order to keep it working with a standard asynchronous motor, since the Dynatron MV drive needs a special motor with eddy current brake (hence the 2 part elongated motors).
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Nice lifts! I wonder, why the floors are not acustically anounced for handicaped people.
In Linz, Austria, there is a ecclesiastical hospital with such announcements.
The standard word for floor used by Schindler is "Geschoss", which also means "bullet" in German. So they decided to be peaceful and exchanged it with "Stock" - another word for floor with only a harmless 2nd meaning (stick).
But now the anouncement is gramatically incorrect declined: 1st floor is announced "ErsteS Stock", correct would be "ErsteR Stock", because German has different endings with different sex. "Geschoss" is neutral and needs ersteS, "Stock" is masculin and needs "ersteR". 2nd = zweites/zweiter, 3rd = drittes/dritter...
That's similar to English 1th, 2rd, 3nd, 4rd, 5nd floor.
I always get a grammer-crisis using that lifts. I was very hapy, when my wife quit her job there.
The lifts installation predates most likely those audio prompts. And unless they are forced by law to add them, I don't think this is going to happen until the lifts see a major upgrade to a new control system that would come with this functionality. Sure, I can see the benefit of having these announcements, but I can also see why a business operating quite a substantial lift system tries to avoid the expense.
Regarding you being annoyed by incorrect grammar - The city in Germany where I grew up changed the announcements in most of their public transportation from a recorded human voice (initially on compact cassettes, later on solid-state storage) to some text to speech system. And while being correct in terms of grammar, pronunciation of a lot of names was just terrible with this new system. Some announcements just made me want to throw up.
@@Colaholikerthis is partially true. first of all you are wrong about needing them to be "upgraded". may I be the one to point out that often when they are replaced they actually become worse because Schindler miconic is too good! 9/10 it is a complete and obvious downgrade both in performance and reliabiltiy :(
secondly, Schindler miconic supports the voice announcements, they just don't have it quipped with it. not to mention that floor announcements can often be "bodged" into older lift logics even very old ones such as relay logics. this is done by tapping into the position circuitry with modern components. this does however result in the voice saying every floor as you pass them.
Excellent. There is a lift in norwich next to the bus station that we are unsure of being express or miconic but they have their original motors and logic. The only thing that has changed is an otis slap on mod from the mid 2000s on the far right of the set of 3 has a loud motor. I have a video of it on my channel.
nice machinery! Numbers for floors was too simple I guess :)
I'm very curious about the graphics. In 1986 there would have been a few off-the-shelf options for the rendering. I know at least one major rail system used Amigas for it, but the typeface here reminds me of basic and the old Acorn machines. Or did Schindler write a graphics stack and OS of their own?
It looks very reminiscent of the e.g. Motorola 6847 type character generator. It wouldn't have needed a graphics stack etc, basically just a 40 x 25 character based display. Amazing what you could do with that sort of setup.
@@paulh5293 I was thinking something in the same lines. It looks suspiciously like a 40-column text mode from a 6845 or something similar. I wouldn’t be surprised if it only outputs composite video. Would they have used RGB🤔 maybe?
@@paulh5293 It's a 32x24 character display (I counted) and the characters look like 8x8. So probably not the 6847. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a custom solution but of course an off the shelf chip would work too.
I did mean it was schlieren elevators before mod
Please give more info about the drive
What motors are used (pic of the nameplate?) Looks like DC Motors
And what Drives are used? Are they capable of back feeding?
Why does the 3rd bed elevator has a separate partition unlike the other 2?
I wonder why this building has letters as floors
2:59 That misaligned indicator are probably not for someone who have OCD
i have a question, why does the lift that opens on the other side have a completely diffrent motor ? this is the type of thing i cant answer.
dunno maybe it failed and was replaced with a different motor
@@PotatoMan09 maybe...
Letters must be pretty inconvenient. Let's say I'm on floor A, and the lift is on floor N. I have no idea how much difference there is between these floors. All I can tell is that they aren't close to each other.
Yes and No. In some USZ Hospitals ground floor may be floor 0 in one lift but not in a different lift. This happens when there are multiple buildings that are connected. I think they used letters because they don't have any "value" unlike for example floor 0 = Ground Floor = Exit.
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09:08 so most calls are up calls from the ground floor. Interesting 🤔
Joking aside, 576 is not a very high number. Either it's been reset recently or this hospital isn't very busy.
Nice 👍🏽
Miconic V
Where is it in?
3:50 On the maintenance report on the control cabinet you can briefly read “University Hospital Zurich Technical Service”.
Why no floor J? Is J the equivalent of 13 in superstitious terms or I am missing something here?
Probably too similar to I?
In comparison, the different models used in the tram network of Frankfurt am Main have letters, with the first electric one being A and so on to the most recent T. When it came to the letters I and J, there is only one type that in written form you often see referred to as J, while in spoken words the letter I is used. So this would not be uncommon (as if it isn't uncommon enough to use letters for floors instead of numbers).
UZH and USZ (the locations of these elevators) have a weird "reverse alphabet" scheme where A is the lowermost basement floor, F the ground floor and so on. If there's no exit on that floor then there's no label to stop on. There's even an UZH building with a lowermost AA basement floor... talking about labeling consistency.
Miconic B with Dynatron 2
This is Miconic V with Dynatron MV, not Mic B.
Actually that’s old m series elevator not old
Miconic! Miconic was DDS(destination dispatch system)
Nope. Miconic is the type of logic. M-Series is just the type of fixtures used on this lift.
What you are talking about are the products "Miconic 10" or "SchindlerID".
@@damian-luginbuehl no Miconic is part of the DD system not part of the elevator
@@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440 that's Miconic 10 and this one is Miconic V 🤦🏻♂️
@@AkmalPROMVP you seriously don’t know what Miconic means?
@@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440 you are the one who don't know
First.... floor!
second?
No
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