JOBY, no brainer. Ton of issues with Archer, they haven’t confirmed the amount of blades their rear engines will have, less means more velocity on all motors and more noise, more mean significant aerodynamic issues trying to hide the blades that are beyond 2.
I'd have to give this to Joby. They are doing just as much domestic infrastructure development as Archer, if not more, but that was glossed over in the video in favor of highlighting Joby's global expansion plans. The video also doesn't mention that Joby is the only company of the two that has complete vertical integration in their plane construction, similar to what Tesla does. Archer on the other hand, outsources some of their parts to 3rd parties. Furthermore, the video did not mention that Joby also acquired Uner Elevate back in 2021, which gives them a User-friendly platform that consumers will already know how to use. Don't get me wrong, I think Archer will do fine and will be one of the companies that survives, but Joby is way ahead of Archer in many areas.
@RamonSilvia-b2g You're absolutely right! Both Joby and Archer are making significant strides toward launching their first commercial flights. 🚁 Joby is in the final stages of FAA certification and has conducted numerous test flights, while Archer is targeting a 2025 launch for its urban air mobility services with backing from United Airlines. It’s definitely going to be a close race to see who gets airborne first commercially. Exciting times ahead for the future of eVTOL!
You either pass certification or you don't, being "real close" doesn't count just as in a hurdle race. If they fail to satisfy the FAA that they can continue safe flight AFTER total power failure, as now specified, then you don't get anything (no consolation prize) If power is lost in transition or hover and the aircraft has to try to fly and land with props at ANY intermediate position (let alone with assymetrical thrusts) then is is game over. This will be the case. Boeing's troubles with a very Minot software glitch on an aircraft in production and worldwide service for 60 years ought to tell you something about the pitfalls of making any aircraft that is inherently unstable and needing full time electronic crash prevention.
Um giving this to Archer as thy already have a Battery production plant in CA and a massive 800M sq ft Manufacturing Building just outside on Georgia airport near Atlanta already up N Built now being outfired with Stellates engineering. 650 units a year in 2026 and 6Bill dollar backlog. Also ARCR has less then half the Market cap and less then half the Flot the Joby's 1 Bill Flot n 3.5 Bill M Cap. Meaning Joby must get thing up N running or ,.. Joby's ahead on flight testing but not Manufacturing at scale as Archer is. Another to note is Archer has more redundancy as four Battery packs that work independently along with a fixed wing for EM landings N more load capacity,.. not so much top speed a Jobys 200mph ,.. Both will be winners starting in spring 2025 ...
Well, with Lililum now declaring bankruptcy the race to be first to take their investor's life savings 'down the tubes' has been won, so the question becomes, " who will be next, Archer or Joby?" [ of course out of the ,now 1067, competing start ups listed on the Vertical Flight Society register dozens have already fallen over or crashed (eg the English version of Archer the VX4 ) Theranos and Enron are being compared to these two so the title of biggest bust is still in play...stay tuned.
@bmoviebmovie Haha, love the comparison! 😄 Joby teaming up with Uber is a huge move that could really streamline urban air travel, especially with Uber's expertise in ride-hailing. And I agree-Joby’s aircraft is definitely more compact and streamlined, making it great for dense urban environments. Archer’s Midnight, on the other hand, definitely has a more aggressive, bulkier look, which some might say gives it that Darth Vader vibe. 🖤⚡ Both designs serve different purposes, so it’ll be interesting to see how they perform and how the public responds to each!
What a load of crap. Both designs are , in automotive terms of styling "jellybeans" meaning they are characterless gawky shapes with bland swooping lines . The 'undersarriage' in both cases stands out like a sore thumb looking like something from a Cessna or 1930s fixed gear plane (Westland Lysander in case of Archer) they are top heavy and prone to topple over . Archer looks more like a Manatee or some other bottom feeder with it's spatted nose wheel.
JOBY, no brainer. Ton of issues with Archer, they haven’t confirmed the amount of blades their rear engines will have, less means more velocity on all motors and more noise, more mean significant aerodynamic issues trying to hide the blades that are beyond 2.
Investors want production, but aviation mustn’t be rushed
I'd have to give this to Joby. They are doing just as much domestic infrastructure development as Archer, if not more, but that was glossed over in the video in favor of highlighting Joby's global expansion plans. The video also doesn't mention that Joby is the only company of the two that has complete vertical integration in their plane construction, similar to what Tesla does. Archer on the other hand, outsources some of their parts to 3rd parties. Furthermore, the video did not mention that Joby also acquired Uner Elevate back in 2021, which gives them a User-friendly platform that consumers will already know how to use.
Don't get me wrong, I think Archer will do fine and will be one of the companies that survives, but Joby is way ahead of Archer in many areas.
Looks like both are, real close, to first commercial flights
@RamonSilvia-b2g
You're absolutely right! Both Joby and Archer are making significant strides toward launching their first commercial flights. 🚁 Joby is in the final stages of FAA certification and has conducted numerous test flights, while Archer is targeting a 2025 launch for its urban air mobility services with backing from United Airlines. It’s definitely going to be a close race to see who gets airborne first commercially. Exciting times ahead for the future of eVTOL!
You either pass certification or you don't, being "real close" doesn't count just as in a hurdle race.
If they fail to satisfy the FAA that they can continue safe flight AFTER total power failure, as now specified, then you don't get anything (no consolation prize)
If power is lost in transition or hover and the aircraft has to try to fly and land with props at ANY intermediate position (let alone with assymetrical thrusts) then is is game over.
This will be the case. Boeing's troubles with a very Minot software glitch on an aircraft in production and worldwide service for 60 years ought to tell you something about the pitfalls of making any aircraft that is inherently unstable and needing full time electronic crash prevention.
Um giving this to Archer as thy already have a Battery production plant in CA and a massive 800M sq ft Manufacturing Building just outside on Georgia airport near Atlanta already up N Built now being outfired with Stellates engineering. 650 units a year in 2026 and 6Bill dollar backlog. Also ARCR has less then half the Market cap and less then half the Flot the Joby's 1 Bill Flot n 3.5 Bill M Cap. Meaning Joby must get thing up N running or ,.. Joby's ahead on flight testing but not Manufacturing at scale as Archer is. Another to note is Archer has more redundancy as four Battery packs that work independently along with a fixed wing for EM landings N more load capacity,.. not so much top speed a Jobys 200mph ,.. Both will be winners starting in spring 2025 ...
Well, with Lililum now declaring bankruptcy the race to be first to take their investor's life savings 'down the tubes' has been won, so the question becomes, " who will be next, Archer or Joby?" [ of course out of the ,now 1067, competing start ups listed on the Vertical Flight Society register dozens have already fallen over or crashed (eg the English version of Archer the VX4 )
Theranos and Enron are being compared to these two so the title of biggest bust is still in play...stay tuned.
archer aviation is very smart move, have United air line in place..
Joby also linking up with Uber.
Joby's craft takes up less space while Archer's "Midnight" looks like an evil whale....or worse---Darth Vader.
@bmoviebmovie
Haha, love the comparison! 😄 Joby teaming up with Uber is a huge move that could really streamline urban air travel, especially with Uber's expertise in ride-hailing. And I agree-Joby’s aircraft is definitely more compact and streamlined, making it great for dense urban environments. Archer’s Midnight, on the other hand, definitely has a more aggressive, bulkier look, which some might say gives it that Darth Vader vibe. 🖤⚡ Both designs serve different purposes, so it’ll be interesting to see how they perform and how the public responds to each!
What a load of crap. Both designs are , in automotive terms of styling "jellybeans" meaning they are characterless gawky shapes with bland swooping lines . The 'undersarriage' in both cases stands out like a sore thumb looking like something from a Cessna or 1930s fixed gear plane (Westland Lysander in case of Archer) they are top heavy and prone to topple over . Archer looks more like a Manatee or some other bottom feeder with it's spatted nose wheel.