OK I think I misspoke - the yellow-ish writing pen is the Zebra Sarasa CLIP pen, one of the vintage colors. ALSO, the paper can have different coating depending on the brand, so always do a thorough pen test! What else do you want to see tested?
I don't like Mildliners either. The bullet tips varied in size right out of the package, the chisel doesn't lay down color evenly, and the colors are way more saturated than I wanted them to be. That said, I will probably pick up the newest mild/natural colors because that's what I actually wanted from those pens. As for other pens to test, I would like to see the Zig Clean Color Dot Markers.
OK THANK YOU. I super agree. I do have my eyes on the natural colors but.... am I ready to be hurt again? 🤔 I don't have any Zig Clean Color Dot Markers YET because they looked a bit too wet for my taste, but I would like to get some soon and test as well!
@@RachelleinTheory They are definitely juicy, but I find that once they dry down, the color spreads out within the dot and is usually very even. Definitely get the real Kuretake brand if you try any out though - the knockoffs don't behave the same way on the Tomoe river paper.
Could you recommend a brand of pastel and/or natural highlighters? I recently bought the 15 ct pack of the mildliners and was not impressed. I also found them to be too saturated, but I find the gentle set too light and I do not want fluorescent.
Thank you for this! I like to use fountain pens with ink that has properties that do the coolest things based upon them not absorbing into the paper quickly. So I think the new TRP won’t be as ideal for that. I can see that this change is going to work really well for some though - and it seems like it will be a very positive change for our lefty friends, which is nice.
Totally agree, lefties rejoice! I don't use fountain pens, but others have also said that the inks won't work quite as well! I guess, if you're worried about smearing with the fountain pens, the new TRP will be better, but for fancy inks that do things based on not absorbing... not so much ☹
@@RachelleinTheory I'm sad about not being able to see the sheen from fountain pens. I should give this a try with fountain pens. Thanks for this! I'm going to be on the A6 Hobonichi Avec, (maybe but probably not) Hobonichi Cousin Avec, and the B6 Sterling Ink Common Planner.
@@ChristinaPlans Ahhh we are both going to be in Sterling Ink and an A6! Since Sterling Ink's planner has the Sanzen TRP, you should have ample time to test. I hope that the sheen stays at least a little! Thank you for watching Christina! 🙏
So basically, for straight writing, new is better. For wetter media like watercolours or blending markers, older is better. Maybe going forward I’ll stick with hobos for planning, but find another option for journaling
I think that might be the case, yes. Which is a shame! One of the strengths was that this paper could do both. More thorough tests might need to be done with painting to see what it can really handle though.
Thank you so much for making this video! Lots of people have said good things about less ghosting which I definitely look forward to. Can't believe we have another year to wait though!
Of course Desy thank you for watching! I'm also excited about using it, personally the gel pen test made me SO ready to be in the 2024 planners because it's the smearing that drives me crazy lol
hmmm with how fast the ink gets absorbed, I have a feeling fountain pen users and those who use watercolors on their hobonichi notebooks won't like the new paper much
Could you recommend a brand of pastel and/or natural highlighters you do like? I recently bought the 15 ct pack of the mildliners and was not impressed. I found them to be too saturated, but I find the gentle set too light and I do not want fluorescent.
Not a planner but I LOVE the 400 page leather cover tomoe river notebooks made by Galen Leather for creative journalling and memory keeping. Hands down my favourite notebooks in the entire world. Nothing comes close. Back in 2021 when they still had the old TR paper, I bought 6 of them and only started using one of them before I stopped journalling for over a year. Now I’ve just started journalling again and each day that I write (which isn’t even every day) uses at most two pages. Add to that the 4 endless recorder 68gsm TR paper journals I have (not as nice as the Galen leather ones but still amazing). So it will be YEARS before I need to try the new TR paper. I’m super curious though 😅 but I must use what I have first!😊
Great information and review. Liked how you taped the paper in a planner. I was just doing my own pen test right now and wanted to see some videos. I like the feel of the old TRP - it's smoother feeling. The new feels thinner and more simila to regular paper. I only have a zebra sarasa not dry one and I notice it bled through a bit on the new TRP but does not bleed through on the old one. But I don't use this as it smudges but just one thing I noticed in my swatch test. I mainly use a couple fountain pens, pigma micron and uni jetstream. I like how the pigma micron and uni smudge the least.
Ngl pretty sad. The smoothness of the tr paper is what makes it my preference over the stalogy I really dislike the stalogy tooth 🙃 and thus is what the paper is reminding me of
Yeah the coating is a little bit different. I think an average person would think that they are the same paper but for stationery and paper nerds like us.... 🙃 we are cursed with hyperawareness of paper tooth lol
Can you do a test with watercolour? And is the new paper wrinkle like the olde paper. Because i like the sound😁thanks so much for this test. Happy with it. 🥰
I'm not sure I have watercolor but if I get some I will for sure try! The tombow test is probably the best comparison for watercolor, I thought it warped slightly more and absorbed slightly faster. I think the new paper will crinkle just fine. Hard to know with just a tiny sample but I have faith.
@@RachelleinTheory aaah thanks for youre respond. Maybe al lot of watercourel journallers are going to try. So, i will wait for that. I am curieus, as allways😂🥰
Wonderland 222 uses Tomoe River paper but not sure what they are doing after 2023. By the way the friction pen in 0.7 is not a good size and you should try a 0.5 or smaller before you can really see how it performs. Unless of course you like the larger link nibs in all types…
i tested some sheening inks for fountain pens and i would say, the new paper is way more BORING. Inks lose their magic. I would even say other pens like gels, highlighters and brush pens also appear more boring/standard. If you need a super lightweight book, Hobo is good. If you want magic along with it... well... imo it's gone. Also the added toothiness makes writing experience ordinary... 😪💔
I'm so sad!!! Personally, I like the experience of papers with more tooth when I use gel pens, which are my favorite. But so much of how the art pens performed made me sad :(
I'm sad about that too. I've discovered TRP just this year and now it will be gone. I tested dual shading ink on both papers and the shading colours barely show on the new one.
What other planners do you all use? I am using the Hobonichi for the first time this year and I'm not convinced... I would like to know some other alternatives (also surely cheaper). Thanks!!
Is there anything you like about the hobonichi? I would seek out planner companies with similar features! If it's things like the tiny grid and the tomoe river paper, the options are still kind of spendy, but you can certainly find alternatives, especially undated ones. Aura Estelle (I think), Sweet Freckled Designs, and Sterling Ink come to mind. Also a really common alternative to the cousin is the Wonderland 222. Lots of size options as well! I always recommend Leuchtturm planners too. I love them and they are a little more affordable. Others please leave suggestions too!! 🤗
I second the Wonderland222 planner!! And now they have a Planner Purse with removable straps in A5, B6, and A6 that will fit all planners of those sizes. I have the b6 purse and it’s really awesome!!
A lot of fountain pen users have felt this way I think! I don't use fountain pens much but I watched one test video that said that the writing experience was OK but the ink just looked less nice. I'd watch a couple fountain pen specific vids to be sure, but it does seem to be slightly less good.
I think watercolor will absorb much faster on the new paper than the old paper. My tombow dual brush pen test is probably the closest thing I have to watercolor, and it did not blend as well, pilled a bit, and the page crinkled slightly more. However, I don't use watercolor and am not SUPER familiar with it's properties, so this is just an estimation based on water-based markers!
Ooooh Claire I'm so curious, what don't you like about it? Style or just not a background music fan in general? I appreciate the love even though there are things that are not your fav!!
Ah it’s just a sensory disability, I can’t handle two noises at once! I’m sure the genre is lovely 😂❤️ I’ll watch u on subtitles when I’m not feeling so lazy lol x
Wow - I thought the whole purpose of the Tomoe River paper was to be the be for fountain pens. Other than fountain pens, all I use is the Staedtler Fineliners (which last way better than the Pigma Microns). I’m trying the Travelers Notebook this year, so if that works, then sorry Hobonichi.
@@jcastanoIve seen wildly different results for the new TR paper here on TH-cam when it comes to fountain pens so perhaps it’s a quality control issue that’s leading some people to have bad results and not others 😭 or perhaps it’s just bound to happen as SANZEN is new to the TRP game so they are still figuring things out 😊 only time will tell! But really hoping that people get more consistent and good results in future because TRP is magical 😍
It's toh-moh-eh. The vowel system for Japanese is the same as our native language (Maori) here in New Zealand :) also it's Fuden-oh-skeh. The u is silent ;) love your video! It's made me decide if I'm going to use a hobonichi cousin next year or not! I'm also the same with mildliners, I just don't get them!
OK I think I misspoke - the yellow-ish writing pen is the Zebra Sarasa CLIP pen, one of the vintage colors. ALSO, the paper can have different coating depending on the brand, so always do a thorough pen test! What else do you want to see tested?
I don't like Mildliners either. The bullet tips varied in size right out of the package, the chisel doesn't lay down color evenly, and the colors are way more saturated than I wanted them to be. That said, I will probably pick up the newest mild/natural colors because that's what I actually wanted from those pens. As for other pens to test, I would like to see the Zig Clean Color Dot Markers.
OK THANK YOU. I super agree. I do have my eyes on the natural colors but.... am I ready to be hurt again? 🤔 I don't have any Zig Clean Color Dot Markers YET because they looked a bit too wet for my taste, but I would like to get some soon and test as well!
@@RachelleinTheory They are definitely juicy, but I find that once they dry down, the color spreads out within the dot and is usually very even. Definitely get the real Kuretake brand if you try any out though - the knockoffs don't behave the same way on the Tomoe river paper.
@@superfund42 Ooooh great tips. Thank you so much! I assume on the new TRP the juice will be less... well, juice 😆 We'll see!
I love the Mildliners, especially the grey. I could manage with just that one.
Could you recommend a brand of pastel and/or natural highlighters? I recently bought the 15 ct pack of the mildliners and was not impressed. I also found them to be too saturated, but I find the gentle set too light and I do not want fluorescent.
Thank you for this! I like to use fountain pens with ink that has properties that do the coolest things based upon them not absorbing into the paper quickly. So I think the new TRP won’t be as ideal for that. I can see that this change is going to work really well for some though - and it seems like it will be a very positive change for our lefty friends, which is nice.
Totally agree, lefties rejoice! I don't use fountain pens, but others have also said that the inks won't work quite as well! I guess, if you're worried about smearing with the fountain pens, the new TRP will be better, but for fancy inks that do things based on not absorbing... not so much ☹
@@RachelleinTheory I'm sad about not being able to see the sheen from fountain pens. I should give this a try with fountain pens. Thanks for this! I'm going to be on the A6 Hobonichi Avec, (maybe but probably not) Hobonichi Cousin Avec, and the B6 Sterling Ink Common Planner.
@@ChristinaPlans Ahhh we are both going to be in Sterling Ink and an A6! Since Sterling Ink's planner has the Sanzen TRP, you should have ample time to test. I hope that the sheen stays at least a little! Thank you for watching Christina! 🙏
So basically, for straight writing, new is better. For wetter media like watercolours or blending markers, older is better. Maybe going forward I’ll stick with hobos for planning, but find another option for journaling
I think that might be the case, yes. Which is a shame! One of the strengths was that this paper could do both. More thorough tests might need to be done with painting to see what it can really handle though.
Thank you so much for making this video! Lots of people have said good things about less ghosting which I definitely look forward to. Can't believe we have another year to wait though!
Of course Desy thank you for watching! I'm also excited about using it, personally the gel pen test made me SO ready to be in the 2024 planners because it's the smearing that drives me crazy lol
Thank you. I’m glad the new works with the frixion pen. It’s all I use.
Great review, thank you for taking the time to explain what is going on.
hmmm with how fast the ink gets absorbed, I have a feeling fountain pen users and those who use watercolors on their hobonichi notebooks won't like the new paper much
That's what I am worried about too, which is such a shame since we have so many artists who make TRP their canvas!
Nice to hear experienced the flakes. I thought it was just my old Tombow not regularly used. Thanks for that confirmation. 😊
Could you recommend a brand of pastel and/or natural highlighters you do like? I recently bought the 15 ct pack of the mildliners and was not impressed. I found them to be too saturated, but I find the gentle set too light and I do not want fluorescent.
Not a planner but I LOVE the 400 page leather cover tomoe river notebooks made by Galen Leather for creative journalling and memory keeping. Hands down my favourite notebooks in the entire world. Nothing comes close. Back in 2021 when they still had the old TR paper, I bought 6 of them and only started using one of them before I stopped journalling for over a year. Now I’ve just started journalling again and each day that I write (which isn’t even every day) uses at most two pages. Add to that the 4 endless recorder 68gsm TR paper journals I have (not as nice as the Galen leather ones but still amazing). So it will be YEARS before I need to try the new TR paper. I’m super curious though 😅 but I must use what I have first!😊
Great video. Thanks for all your work on the comparison.
Thank you for watching and commenting Susan :)
Great information and review. Liked how you taped the paper in a planner. I was just doing my own pen test right now and wanted to see some videos. I like the feel of the old TRP - it's smoother feeling. The new feels thinner and more simila to regular paper. I only have a zebra sarasa not dry one and I notice it bled through a bit on the new TRP but does not bleed through on the old one. But I don't use this as it smudges but just one thing I noticed in my swatch test. I mainly use a couple fountain pens, pigma micron and uni jetstream. I like how the pigma micron and uni smudge the least.
I loooove the uni jetstream. And I use microns all the time for my headers! I think that's a good combo.
Excellent comparison. Thank you. :)
Ngl pretty sad. The smoothness of the tr paper is what makes it my preference over the stalogy I really dislike the stalogy tooth 🙃 and thus is what the paper is reminding me of
Yeah the coating is a little bit different. I think an average person would think that they are the same paper but for stationery and paper nerds like us.... 🙃 we are cursed with hyperawareness of paper tooth lol
This was very helpful, thank you for this video!
Glad it was helpful!
Very interesting video thank you !! 😊
Take A Note or TAN uses a thicker less slippery (gels smear less) TRP.
Can you do a test with watercolour? And is the new paper wrinkle like the olde paper. Because i like the sound😁thanks so much for this test. Happy with it. 🥰
I'm not sure I have watercolor but if I get some I will for sure try! The tombow test is probably the best comparison for watercolor, I thought it warped slightly more and absorbed slightly faster. I think the new paper will crinkle just fine. Hard to know with just a tiny sample but I have faith.
@@RachelleinTheory aaah thanks for youre respond. Maybe al lot of watercourel journallers are going to try. So, i will wait for that. I am curieus, as allways😂🥰
Wonderland 222 uses Tomoe River paper but not sure what they are doing after 2023. By the way the friction pen in 0.7 is not a good size and you should try a 0.5 or smaller before you can really see how it performs. Unless of course you like the larger link nibs in all types…
I was feeling a larger nib after using the tiny 0.4 energel clena for a while but perhaps I jumped up too much 😂
Let’s play a game! Drink every time she says Tomoe River Paper 😂 thanks for the pen test, if I get there
May this video help you get where you need to go one way or another, lol
i tested some sheening inks for fountain pens and i would say, the new paper is way more BORING. Inks lose their magic. I would even say other pens like gels, highlighters and brush pens also appear more boring/standard. If you need a super lightweight book, Hobo is good. If you want magic along with it... well... imo it's gone. Also the added toothiness makes writing experience ordinary... 😪💔
I'm so sad!!! Personally, I like the experience of papers with more tooth when I use gel pens, which are my favorite. But so much of how the art pens performed made me sad :(
I'm sad about that too. I've discovered TRP just this year and now it will be gone. I tested dual shading ink on both papers and the shading colours barely show on the new one.
😮 I love that I can write with fountain pens in the Hobonichi weeks, just discovered it this year … so is the new paper not as thin and smooth ? 🤔🤨😔
Great video to watch. I don’t use fountain pens either. Gel pens are my go to along with fude pens for lettering.
The moment u said your hot take… I thumbs upped the vid- AGREE,their tips like deform so quickly and altho the colours are nice they arent the best 😔
Yes EXACTLY
What other planners do you all use? I am using the Hobonichi for the first time this year and I'm not convinced... I would like to know some other alternatives (also surely cheaper). Thanks!!
Is there anything you like about the hobonichi? I would seek out planner companies with similar features! If it's things like the tiny grid and the tomoe river paper, the options are still kind of spendy, but you can certainly find alternatives, especially undated ones. Aura Estelle (I think), Sweet Freckled Designs, and Sterling Ink come to mind. Also a really common alternative to the cousin is the Wonderland 222. Lots of size options as well! I always recommend Leuchtturm planners too. I love them and they are a little more affordable.
Others please leave suggestions too!! 🤗
I second the Wonderland222 planner!! And now they have a Planner Purse with removable straps in A5, B6, and A6 that will fit all planners of those sizes. I have the b6 purse and it’s really awesome!!
No see through results?
Sounds like the Sanzen TRP is less coated and more absorbent, in addition to a little toothier. Not great news for me, as a fountain pen user. :/
A lot of fountain pen users have felt this way I think! I don't use fountain pens much but I watched one test video that said that the writing experience was OK but the ink just looked less nice. I'd watch a couple fountain pen specific vids to be sure, but it does seem to be slightly less good.
Do you think watercolor will still work on he paper?
I think watercolor will absorb much faster on the new paper than the old paper. My tombow dual brush pen test is probably the closest thing I have to watercolor, and it did not blend as well, pilled a bit, and the page crinkled slightly more. However, I don't use watercolor and am not SUPER familiar with it's properties, so this is just an estimation based on water-based markers!
Wouldve been nice to see a fountain pen tested.
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I love your content but can’t listen to the background music 😢 I always start watching then I remember ohh yea 😂
just mute it and use the subtitles 😂 I do that sometimes if the TV is on.
Yea ur right lol I do sometimes, just find it tedious lol.
Ooooh Claire I'm so curious, what don't you like about it? Style or just not a background music fan in general? I appreciate the love even though there are things that are not your fav!!
Ah it’s just a sensory disability, I can’t handle two noises at once! I’m sure the genre is lovely 😂❤️ I’ll watch u on subtitles when I’m not feeling so lazy lol x
@@RachelleinTheory it’s too loud for me sometimes it drowns you out.
i didnt get the sample in my order. tfs
wth
No water colors, horrible with fountain pens (which I tested).... Hobonichi is gonna loose a lot of fans over the next years.
This is unfortunate! It's a shame that the original TRP was discontinued. I wonder if any new competitors will pop up as a result of this?
Wow - I thought the whole purpose of the Tomoe River paper was to be the be for fountain pens. Other than fountain pens, all I use is the Staedtler Fineliners (which last way better than the Pigma Microns).
I’m trying the Travelers Notebook this year, so if that works, then sorry Hobonichi.
What are you talking about? I tested super wide italics with Montblanc and Sailor ink on the new paper and it was just as hardy as the old paper.
@@jcastanoIve seen wildly different results for the new TR paper here on TH-cam when it comes to fountain pens so perhaps it’s a quality control issue that’s leading some people to have bad results and not others 😭 or perhaps it’s just bound to happen as SANZEN is new to the TRP game so they are still figuring things out 😊 only time will tell! But really hoping that people get more consistent and good results in future because TRP is magical 😍
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Tom-OH-ay River
Not me and my editor sitting here saying every possible pronunciation of this combo of syllables back and forth for 10 full minutes
@@RachelleinTheory In Japanese no one syllable gets emphasis as they do in English
It's toh-moh-eh. The vowel system for Japanese is the same as our native language (Maori) here in New Zealand :) also it's Fuden-oh-skeh. The u is silent ;) love your video! It's made me decide if I'm going to use a hobonichi cousin next year or not! I'm also the same with mildliners, I just don't get them!
@@alexplansnz Thank you Alex!
Haha- it was more for emphasis that it’s not tom-oy. If anything, trying to be helpful, not offensive.