the moment the tories chose a non white man to be not just the leader of the tory party but also to be britain's pm, they were doomed!! old school socialists & traditional tories alike, are not ready to accept a coloured pm of this country!! the decision to make sunak pm was a major blunder & i said so at the time!!!
Love that the Tories are now suddenly supporting Abbott given their recent history of defending the donor who said she should be shot and made him hate all black women. I note this is not mentioned anywhere when reporting on Tories suddenly deciding that Abbott is marvelous.
@@stevecoppin6396 to be fair, that was a gaffe and a half. But the pisstaking didn't happen when Laura Trott didn't know what she was on about and she's second in command at the Treasury, so there's a definite double standard.
Quite agree. The Conservatives’ hypocrisy is there for all to see, but most of the media seem blind to it. Keeping Hester’s money was their prime objective.
"Has Sunak made a terrible mistake"? No, he hasn't made A mistake. He's made hundreds of them. Even if the Tories get wiped out I'm not sure calling the election is going to be in the top ten of Rishi's mistakes.
Just took the whip away from Dianne. Not at all an attack on Dianne. Still the same old hamstringing of a stalwat of Labour just because of her socialist convictions
@@owencrompton3713have to agree with you always easy to shout about principles when you’re living quite comfortably those of us at the other end of the spectrum are desperate to be rid of the Tories and do not appreciate the constant negativity against Starmer by Starbucks socialists.
@@waynereid9471 that’s always been the case. I’ve voted every election since 1983 and the left then hated Healey more than Thatcher (hence we got nice but unelectable Foot) they hated Blair with a passion in 97 and now they hate Starmer in 24. They literally would rather be in opposition with the likes of Liz Truss in government than have to be in power with someone like Keir Starmer at the helm.
On Abbott gate, wasn't it the Times newspaper that ran the story of Abbot being blocked, nothing had come from the NEC or Labour. So she was never blocked by the party. Unfortunately, it took too long for Starmer to speak up in Abbott's favour.
Other sources reported that the NEC had drawn up a shortlist of candidates for Abbott's constituency - and that her name didn't appear on the list. If there's a list of potential candidates and your name is not on it, then to all intents and purposes you're blocked, whether or not there's been an official announcement.
who do you think the times got the story from??? they're not going through david evans' bins or hiding in an NEC boardroom cabinet to get these stories, are they? they are being given them by someone they have reason to believe is speaking on starmer's behalf. most people with some historical knowledge have pointed the finger directly at morgan mcsweeney and luke akehurst but the times are too scared to reveal their source and starmer is too scared to further reveal how little control he has over his own office
As an over 70 year old, I am appalled and ashamed that this current ‘government’ propose a form of national service for the youngest adults in society. My generation were not called up and neither has any since and if my contemporaries are now supporting this in large numbers I’d be very surprised. If they want a bigger army we need to pay for it properly.
As an over 60 myself I completely agree. If Rishi thinks a promise to hold a royal commission to look at this terribly thought out plan will inspire anyone to change their vote towards his shambolic party that has given us a mess of a deeply divisive referendum, destabilised Northern Ireland, and given us Boris the liar and Liz the conspiracy theorist he must think we are all idiots. Making volunteering compulsory just shows how little he understands real community.
@@911Mitul Increased taxes if necessary. Both major parties seem to be terrified of being tied down to saying they will not cut taxes, but taxes can not be continuously cut without consequences, as we have seen in the crumbling edge of quality, deteriorating services, potholes, etc we have seen particularly in the last 14 years. When I started working in 1979 the basic rate of income tax was, if I recall correctly, 33% or 34%. While I wouldn’t want things back at that level, it is justifiable to sometimes increase revenue when necessary - there’s no law that taxes MUST always be cut.
No no by all means tax the wealthy, and they all move abroad, What you think Lewis Hamilton, Richard Branson are non docile residence because they don't like paying taxes.....
I enjoyed that discussion, but as a well over 60 voter, I don't have any friends who vote or have ever voted Tory, even the socially conservative ones realise that having a decent NHS is more important than harking back to fantasies of National Service.
21:57 I suspect the only reason why Parties like Reform and this version of the Tories are doing as well as they are is precisely because the WW2 veterans are mostly gone. Personal experience of fascism has been lost and now it seems exciting again.
No mistake. Another fuss largely generated by the media. At no point did Starmer say she couldn't stand and I don't think she claimed that she had been told formally that she couldn't stand, she merely said she had "heard" that she was blocked. Who did she hear it from? Someone in a right wing newspaper perhaps? People seem to think that Starmer is personally selecting every candidate, whilst at the same time campaigning all around the country. My understanding is that there is a committee that handles these things.
As an ex Labour Party member I can assure you that the NEC is packed with Kid Starver place men and women. Starver, who will probably be the next uk pm is as dishonest and corupt as Sunnack if not more so. Tax wealth not work.🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Several sources reported that the NEC had drawn up a shortlist of candidates for Abbott's constituency - and that her name didn't appear on the list. Labour did not deny that. If there's a list of potential candidates and your name is not on it, then to all intents and purposes you're blocked, whether or not there's been an official announcement.
I suspect that the Abbot leak was from a disgruntled left winger who hates Starmer. It could well then have been picked up by a Tory shill who fed it to the RW press
@@thetragicyouth Which sources and how reliable are they? The right wing media are desperate to find a wedge against Labour. If such a list did exist, it could easily be a contingency list in the event either she didn't have the whip returned or she chose not to stand, in which case her name wouldn't be on it. There may be contingency lists for every constituency for all you or I know, but the media will happily spin anything to damage the Labour Party right now.
So gross corruption in the party likely to form the next government isn't a problem? You must be a real sick tory, if you think corruption and gerrymandering are OK
A former colleague and Tory activist for the past 45 years has told me that he has joined the Labour Party and showed me his Facebook page as proof. He comes from the right wing of the Tory Party and says he has shifted allegiance because Rachel Reeves and Keir Starmer are professionals and the policies announced make more sense than the scattergun gimmicks posed by Sunak. I am truly shocked that he announced this today both privately and publicly
@@thetragicyouth The Spectator is another Tory arsewipe publication, so they're not going to go easy on Labour, are they? Meanwhile, the Daily Heil had a recent headline, telling us Lord Lucan is an 89 year old Buddhist living in Australia, with little evidence of support the assertion (absolutely true). DNA check needed here, methinks...
I don't think it's about control, it's about discipline. Any party needs to present a united front to the electorate. Look how factional the Tories are and how that hurts their messaging.
Yep, it's a good job then that Labour are a united disciplined party... (looks at the recent Diane Abbott situation/fiasco)... ohhhhhhhhhh, oh nooo. Yeah, so Labour infighting between the more left-wing 'Corbynite' factions and the more centrist 'Blairite', and claims that Starmer is trying to 'purge' the left-wing of the party. Granted it probably won't effect the polls, but it is a bad look, especially now.
yep, and the journalists are the first to jump on any party disunity. I'm beginning to realise how our politics have been so badly damaged by media looking for clicks and stories and often manufacturing them it seems.
@@robc7162 This. When it looks like a shoe-in for one party, media will do *anything* to make a story out of nothing in order to feed the algorithm. Bit like having Farage on QT...
@rowejon Yes, party 'diciipline' is a recognised way of putting out a consistent party message, but Starmer's constant breaking promises hss destroyef any semblence of trustworthiness, let alone 'discipline". Starmer is literally even worse than the tories. This means that Labour need voting for only if there is no viable non tory option to Lsbour. Starmer is toxic and cannot be PM.
From about @21:00 This lady has nailed what seems clear, the previously unexpressed view that the generation that I think of as The Spitfire Generation has successfully voted for the winning side for many decades but is now out of touch with the younger consensus. It never seemed to occur to the "Spitfires" that their wonderful service in World War Two led them to conflate loyalty to the British establishment with certain values which had become redundant so continuing to vote Tory actually resulted in increased fascism not less fascism. Some of these 'Spitfires' even bought into the narrative that just because their genetation was blessed with full employment, subsequent ones were workshy or lazy. These staunch anti fascists simply cannot accept just how fascist Britain has already become, so they continue to vote for the very thing that they fought against
Younger people not really rising WW2 veterans barely still live kinda makes sense. Old people who didn't fight in the war or were even born after it associating themselves with that generation is disgusting, it's practically stolen valour
It's older people, but also increasingly people born in the 60s and even later. They attach themselves to the greatest generation like barnacles on a spitfire. It is indeed disgusting.
I used to live in Faiza's seat Chingford and am amazed how low she got the Tory IDS majority in 2019, bucking the downward labour trend. While not super wealthy, Chingford & Woodford Green are naturally Tory, mostly commuters on the edge of Epping Forest and to take that for Labour would be a big achievement. Let Faiza continue to tirelessly work her magic and make Tebbit's old seat Labour
I think you're giving too much credit to Faiza for that. Labour's only gain in 2019 was in London, Putney. Middle class professional Londoners have been trending away from the Tories ever since 2015. A whole slate of once true blue London/ SE seats will go Labour at the next election. Including Steve Baker's Wycombe, in all probability.
You’ve led with a story based on two Labour factions leaking stuff. KS said nothing incorrect- I’m disappointed NS has pitched Diane as a pure innocent in all this, simply not true. What she said last year was horrendous and 3 MPsnot being allowed to stand as being presented as a cull!
She phrased very poorly the fact that if you are black (or ginger), your colour makes you a constant target for racists. As a not observant Jew, there is nothing that tells people I am Jewish. I might hear awful random remarks that will make me explode. But I am not relentlessly targetted. However, Diane Abbott disregarded the fact that some Jews will dress in such a way that they can be targetted and attacked, and that if they dressed and behaved differently for the sake of not enduring attacks, it would be at great cost for their mental health. They would feel like traitors of the generations behind them who have suffered, died, traitors that they cannot observe the rules that give their lives structure and meaning. Diane did not take this reality into account. But what she said was not a holocaust denial, or a denial of the millenia of suffering suffered by Jews. It was just not thought through, because she is not Jewish, just like, for all my good will, I cannot be sure that what I say or do will not offend LGBTQ+, Gypsies, and Black/Brown/Ginger individuals.
Starmer has said time after time that there was no barring of Abbott. She is making a show as her last bow, but it may cost her a seat in the Lords!!!!
Worst thing they did was take an obscure corner issue on the EU into a defining major issue. As Brexit was impossible to succeed, when the pandemic started we had the biggest Brexit liar ensured we were the least prepared
I think Starmer realy shot himself in the foot. People were already a bit miffed by the obvious purge. Having attacked Diane Abbott, has now attracted the focus on ALL the candidates Starmer wants to deselect. If he had left Diane Abbott alone, people would not be scrutinising who else he is deselecting.
Banana curvature has lost the headlines of late, but is of utmost importance! How can we survive without the Daily Mail bringing us these deep existential questions ❓
another question to throw into the pot is IF the Tories lose badly, will they have the stomach to be in opposition given many of the newbies don't look as if they would be in for a long fight back
So what does the overall profile of labour MPs look like? People claim that there are a lot of Keir Starmer loyalists filled into the party. If we are looking at 500 MPs, will there still be a strong left wing of the party?
My God, I think everyone needs to learn verbal comprehension or at least learn to stop and think about what is being said before throwing out damaging allegations. Especially Dianne. She destroyed her Party’s based on hearsay not facts/hard proof. When did Starmer say she see was banned?
Can someone please explain to me as a Dutchie, why the UK people want to vote for the Labour Party? Im so confused?! The rest of Europe is become more rightwing as we want to stop this invasion, however the UK polls suggest that the Labour Party will win with a landslide. Someone pls explain!!!!!
We've had 15 years of a right-wing government, getting further right more recently, and most people agree that they feel worse off now than they did 15 years ago. The alternative right wing party have some support but not enough to win seats, whereas labour is an already established party which now seems vastly more competent than the current government. Labour is also moving towards the centre so they have wide appeal.
The only person who said she couldn't stand was Diane Abbot. I'm not sure what all the drama is about. She does look unwell in press coverage recently. Friends have suggested a stroke as potential cause. I genuinely hope she is well
I noticed a tremor in her right arm during an interview a couple of days ago. Something has happened to Diane. I hope she's stable now and is not in an ongoing medical situation.
Labour's NEC had drawn up a shortlist of candidates for Abbott's constituency and her name didn't appear on the list. If there's a list of potential candidates and your name is not on it, then to all intents and purposes you're blocked, whether or not there's been an official announcement.
@@dixieflatline1189 Why would I feel any shame? I'm not the one who's suggesting she's physically ill with no facts to back up my assumption. Poor response.
Im confused, ive not heard anyone report that labour leadership definitely say Abbott cant stand. The story seems to have come from Dianne saying they havent said she can as soon as she got the whip back, and the press. Can the press provide any evidence for this ban, or are they just making it all up?
Speaking as a baby boomer, I think those who peddle the received wisdom that our generation is over-whelmingly pro-Tory are in for a shock. What I think is true is that our generation is sceptical about Starmer and Labour's ability to make the slightest change. You have to remember that we have lived through decades of deeply unimpressive Westminster politics that fails to deliver anything.whoever has been in power. Just to add a bit of humour, Freddie's wallpaper is the sort of thing my parents would have loved! Keep up the good work on these casts - they go from great to wonderful!
Same. 1970's I was a working-class boy at a grammar school in West Sussex and got plenty of abuse for being a socialist. So many of my old schoolmates have moved Left since that time.
A question: there has been a lot of comment about how the SNP will fare in Scotland and how Labour will perform in Wales in light of party controversies, what do you think will happen in Northern Ireland? Best, Gavin
Starmer created Abbotgate himself by not being clear and saying he could see no reason why Diane Abbot shouldn’t stand as a Labour candidate as Angela Rayner did when she was asked. I think he is more concerned about antisemitism in the party and losing support from Jewish groups if she is reinstated. He handled this situation very badly and it may harm his chances.
this was a Tory led media story, pure b/s from day 1. Abbott of course enjoys a bit of limelight and does nothing to dismiss the nonsense reporting. Move on!
Capitulation or common sense? I despise the notion that if somebody decides to change their mind on something or adapt to new situations or information that it shows that they’ve capitulated or lost control.
Those who actually served in WWII may well be dead, for the most part, but most of those over 65 had parents who did serve and many had fathers (especially) or other relatives who died in that service. WWII had an important impact on their lives even if they were too young to have actually served. Young people should not be dismissing the importance of WWII for the older generation.
My head is already analysing the Labour govt and all the problems they will have. But I get journalists have to talk about the Tories as if there's any chance they'll win. I am more interested in the divides in Labour now.
Britain clearly needs loads more housing. Why do home owners consider the view out of their bedroom window to be more important than their children moving out into their own homes.
But where it's needed, and how much, and how it's provided - these are all legitimate concerns which just building "loads more housing" won't address: because developers are wholly uninterested on social need, and wholly focussed on private profit. Letting those bastards rip would be an environmental and social disaster because we'll end up with ticky-tacky housing estates all over the countryside and STILL have huge problems of homelessness.
Andrew Brigden in an interview on May 14th said "Rishi wants out, he told the generals that he doesn't want to be a wartime prime minister". On the 22nd of May Rishi calls for a snap election, which we all know he will lose. Sir Keir Starmer will be our wartime prime minister...
Trying to think of a worse source (for anything) than Bridgen, but it's tough. Generally speaking it's better to get information from sane people with at least a slight toe-hold on reality. (I'm being slightly unfair there, Bridgen might not be crazy. He could just be a grifter who''s found a gullible bunch of people to milk for every penny he can get...)
I think there is one way Sunak has made a terrible mistake. This was his one and only chance to ever be PM, and he shortened it by over 20% to hold this election early. He will be PM for something like 20 months instead of 26 months. It was his *one* shot, why would he choose to make it so short?
My view is that mass immigration over the past 25 years under Labour and the Tories is responsible for the rise in sectarian politics. Nobody voted for mass immigration; taxpayers have had no say in it; and everybody has been told in no uncertain terms that they must accept it. But in so many ways it has caused more problems than it has solved. A third of a million people from the subcontinent and 140,000 from Nigeria came to live in Britain in the last year alone, according to the ONS last week. Will they all integrate fully into British society? Who,s interest is this for,? We have zero voice , we want our country back...i get it.
I might be wrong, but i just don't see random constituencies in places like rural Essex, Wiltshire, Lincolnshire, Hampshire going anything but Tory. I think the Tories have a base of about 150 seats based on sheer tribalism. I think there's something a bit off about MRP polling. I don't rate MRP polls.
Why should an MP who has faithfully served for some near 40 years be stopped from standing. Removing a choice that the voters want given the fact she is obviously a vote winner.
Do Rachel and Freddie have a thing going on? Definitely some chemistry there. What does the hive mind think? It’d be more interesting than the election coverage.
How, exactly, are the Red Tories under "Sir" Keir different from the Blue ones under Rishi? Besides the colour of their rosettes. Enquiring minds would like to know.
I'm not surprised someone who is a Tory would be outraged if Abbott couldn't stand. She's a walking disaster as an MP in terms of the Labour Party's image as a whole. She's a walking, talking Dunning-Kruger effect, and worse, she is a fairly prominent figure for various reasons, particularly post Corbyn era. Whilst she has a whole lot of diehard fans on the left, she _really_ turns off a lot of non-automatic Labour voters, and even many automatic Labour voters.
Labour is likely to have a significant majority. Does Starmer really need to worry too much about one or ‘rebels’? I think not. Labour has made a mountain out of a mole hill on this issue.
23 points behind in the poll of polls..... the tories are looking at a calamity. That gives them 60 seats. The rest of us can celebrate when the brexiteers are ejected from parliament 😂
Can anyone explain to me why it "makes sense" that Corbyn has been expelled but doesn't make sense for Abbott? What did Corbyn do that made him deserve that? As far as I'm concerned, Abbott made actual offensive comments whereas Corbyn was just pro-Palestine.
Corbyn destroyed the Labour Party’s chances of becoming the government with his statements on national security, antisemitism, Brexit and many other things. Diane Abbott was suspended for making one thoughtless statement. There is a world of difference between those two things.
U turns are risky business. You alienate the people who agree with the original decision, probably more than if it went the other way to start with; like a goal that's disallowed on VAR innit. And then you alienate those who didn't, because you took your time about it.
If Rishi loses he'll get a knighthood and go into the City and make more money he doesn't need, then write his memoirs about how he personally saved the universe from collapse.
It all depends on how you define ‘older’ Current polls suggests that what they call ‘propensity to vote’ Tory kicks in at 71. But the older generation - Boomers - starts at about 55 and people that age to the 70s have no more propensity to vote Tory than anyone else although l) they have a high propensity to vote and 2) they are much more likely to be swing voters and live in swing seats. Hence they are chased by the parties - particularly the Tories. Personally I think the Tories are making a great mistake in thinking that right-wing ‘Colonel Blimp/Nationalist’ policies will attract them at all as are commentators who buy this line.
On July 4th, I will be voting for labour (or rather my postal vote will get counted at some point!) I'm not going to be influenced by the left who want him gone, and another five years of Tory austerity and defunding. I suspect the anti-Starmerites are comfortable and well fed.
If every commentator prefaced their remarks with "In my opinion...." or "It seems to me...." the world would be a marginally better place. Lots of speculative blah blah blah here but almost no verifiable facts. You could reasonably argue that it has taken way too long to resolve the 'Abbott situation' but I've never heard Starmer say she can't stand.
Hopefully Sunak has made a gargantuan mistake that will send the Tories into oblivion. (Keep up the "great" work Rishi).
Good luck with that... They still have THE MONEY - Never underestimate that!
the moment the tories chose a non white man to be not just the leader of the tory party but also to be britain's pm, they were doomed!! old school socialists & traditional tories alike, are not ready to accept a coloured pm of this country!! the decision to make sunak pm was a major blunder & i said so at the time!!!
The Tories cannot be in oblivion when Starmer is in charge. He runs the red Tories.
If the name changes but the policies stay the same its still Tory.
@@jonsmith5058 it's just whether angela rayner organises a coup & dethrones starmer overnight!
socialism has died under 'sir' keir!!!!
As Napoleon said "Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake".
Love that the Tories are now suddenly supporting Abbott given their recent history of defending the donor who said she should be shot and made him hate all black women. I note this is not mentioned anywhere when reporting on Tories suddenly deciding that Abbott is marvelous.
not to mention the unending piss taking of her poor maths
@@stevecoppin6396 to be fair, that was a gaffe and a half. But the pisstaking didn't happen when Laura Trott didn't know what she was on about and she's second in command at the Treasury, so there's a definite double standard.
@@31Blaize or suella braverman
@@31BlaizeSpot on mate!!!
Quite agree. The Conservatives’ hypocrisy is there for all to see, but most of the media seem blind to it. Keeping Hester’s money was their prime objective.
"Has Sunak made a terrible mistake"? No, he hasn't made A mistake. He's made hundreds of them. Even if the Tories get wiped out I'm not sure calling the election is going to be in the top ten of Rishi's mistakes.
No u turn.!!! At no point did starmer say Abbott couldn't stand.
Just took the whip away from Dianne. Not at all an attack on Dianne. Still the same old hamstringing of a stalwat of Labour just because of her socialist convictions
A lot of people on the left really don’t like Kier
I think they hate him worst than a Tory 😊
Weird take
@waynereid9471 we hate kid Starver because he's a tory who is destroying our party.
@@owencrompton3713have to agree with you always easy to shout about principles when you’re living quite comfortably those of us at the other end of the spectrum are desperate to be rid of the Tories and do not appreciate the constant negativity against Starmer by Starbucks socialists.
@@waynereid9471 that’s always been the case. I’ve voted every election since 1983 and the left then hated Healey more than Thatcher (hence we got nice but unelectable Foot) they hated Blair with a passion in 97 and now they hate Starmer in 24. They literally would rather be in opposition with the likes of Liz Truss in government than have to be in power with someone like Keir Starmer at the helm.
Has Rishi made a terrible mistake? You, er, are going to have to be more specific.
In the last five minutes?
@@MkVenner1975 Still more specific
@@Idk-ys7rt last time he opened his mouth and was not eating? (but I would not rule out him making a gaffe and eating at the same time)|
@@annepoitrineau5650 He had ice cream today I think and most other parties had some sweet treats.
I like the way I drift off when Sunak speaks and look at something more interesting, like a nearby wall. Is that a common reaction?
On Abbott gate, wasn't it the Times newspaper that ran the story of Abbot being blocked, nothing had come from the NEC or Labour. So she was never blocked by the party.
Unfortunately, it took too long for Starmer to speak up in Abbott's favour.
Other sources reported that the NEC had drawn up a shortlist of candidates for Abbott's constituency - and that her name didn't appear on the list. If there's a list of potential candidates and your name is not on it, then to all intents and purposes you're blocked, whether or not there's been an official announcement.
@@thetragicyouth "other sources". Definitely not from the right wing press, then 😼
There is no smoke without fire. Starmer is paying off people like Akerhurst who helped to bring down Corbyn whist in the pay of the Israeli lobby.
They did block her. The same Starmer stripped her of her position
who do you think the times got the story from??? they're not going through david evans' bins or hiding in an NEC boardroom cabinet to get these stories, are they? they are being given them by someone they have reason to believe is speaking on starmer's behalf. most people with some historical knowledge have pointed the finger directly at morgan mcsweeney and luke akehurst but the times are too scared to reveal their source and starmer is too scared to further reveal how little control he has over his own office
As an over 70 year old, I am appalled and ashamed that this current ‘government’ propose a form of national service for the youngest adults in society. My generation were not called up and neither has any since and if my contemporaries are now supporting this in large numbers I’d be very surprised. If they want a bigger army we need to pay for it properly.
As an over 60 myself I completely agree. If Rishi thinks a promise to hold a royal commission to look at this terribly thought out plan will inspire anyone to change their vote towards his shambolic party that has given us a mess of a deeply divisive referendum, destabilised Northern Ireland, and given us Boris the liar and Liz the conspiracy theorist he must think we are all idiots.
Making volunteering compulsory just shows how little he understands real community.
How do you suggest we pay for a bigger Army???
Lower pensions increases please do advise. Perhaps cut NHS to all the free loaders.
@@911Mitul Increased taxes if necessary. Both major parties seem to be terrified of being tied down to saying they will not cut taxes, but taxes can not be continuously cut without consequences, as we have seen in the crumbling edge of quality, deteriorating services, potholes, etc we have seen particularly in the last 14 years. When I started working in 1979 the basic rate of income tax was, if I recall correctly, 33% or 34%. While I wouldn’t want things back at that level, it is justifiable to sometimes increase revenue when necessary - there’s no law that taxes MUST always be cut.
@@911Mitul I like how you mention cutting off poor people from welfare but don’t mention taxing those with the most wealth. Are you a parody account?
No no by all means tax the wealthy, and they all move abroad, What you think Lewis Hamilton, Richard Branson are non docile residence because they don't like paying taxes.....
I enjoyed that discussion, but as a well over 60 voter, I don't have any friends who vote or have ever voted Tory, even the socially conservative ones realise that having a decent NHS is more important than harking back to fantasies of National Service.
21:57 I suspect the only reason why Parties like Reform and this version of the Tories are doing as well as they are is precisely because the WW2 veterans are mostly gone. Personal experience of fascism has been lost and now it seems exciting again.
It goes in cycles, like the economy, and the reason is eactly what you said.
No mistake. Another fuss largely generated by the media. At no point did Starmer say she couldn't stand and I don't think she claimed that she had been told formally that she couldn't stand, she merely said she had "heard" that she was blocked. Who did she hear it from? Someone in a right wing newspaper perhaps?
People seem to think that Starmer is personally selecting every candidate, whilst at the same time campaigning all around the country. My understanding is that there is a committee that handles these things.
As an ex Labour Party member I can assure you that the NEC is packed with Kid Starver place men and women. Starver, who will probably be the next uk pm is as dishonest and corupt as Sunnack if not more so. Tax wealth not work.🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
You are wholly correct!
Several sources reported that the NEC had drawn up a shortlist of candidates for Abbott's constituency - and that her name didn't appear on the list. Labour did not deny that. If there's a list of potential candidates and your name is not on it, then to all intents and purposes you're blocked, whether or not there's been an official announcement.
I suspect that the Abbot leak was from a disgruntled left winger who hates Starmer. It could well then have been picked up by a Tory shill who fed it to the RW press
@@thetragicyouth Which sources and how reliable are they? The right wing media are desperate to find a wedge against Labour. If such a list did exist, it could easily be a contingency list in the event either she didn't have the whip returned or she chose not to stand, in which case her name wouldn't be on it. There may be contingency lists for every constituency for all you or I know, but the media will happily spin anything to damage the Labour Party right now.
This is what happens when you call an election to avoid being deposed
we're hoping for Canada 92 😂
Diane should go independent!!!!
The levels of media interest in the Diane Abbot saga are not warranted. Are they short of actual election news.
The campaign's so boring so far that they have to fill the news with something
yes
Abott can stand for Labour 😊
Two words: client media. I hope you guys get a press you deserve. Right now, from this outsider, it is completely one-sided. Amazing.
So gross corruption in the party likely to form the next government isn't a problem? You must be a real sick tory, if you think corruption and gerrymandering are OK
A former colleague and Tory activist for the past 45 years has told me that he has joined the Labour Party and showed me his Facebook page as proof. He comes from the right wing of the Tory Party and says he has shifted allegiance because Rachel Reeves and Keir Starmer are professionals and the policies announced make more sense than the scattergun gimmicks posed by Sunak. I am truly shocked that he announced this today both privately and publicly
Yeah, the Tory pulling policies out of thin air is reminiscent of Corbyn's election campaign.
Even the editor of The Spectator has said that Starmer has turned Labour into "a second Conservative Party".
@@thetragicyouth Labour not radical enough for The Spectator? What we need is radical competence not starey-eyed ideologues.
@@thetragicyouth The Spectator is another Tory arsewipe publication, so they're not going to go easy on Labour, are they? Meanwhile, the Daily Heil had a recent headline, telling us Lord Lucan is an 89 year old Buddhist living in Australia, with little evidence of support the assertion (absolutely true). DNA check needed here, methinks...
@@earlofdoncaster5018we don't need another Tory party. We have the cons and lib dems.
UK went from 1st WORLD to 3rd WORLD in 15 years in many areas.. We know who governed for past 14 years...
From Rule Britannia to Cool Britannia to Fool Britannia to Stool Britannia lol.
The fact KS changed his mind is a GOOD sign……
I was happy too. It showed wisdom.
I don't think it's about control, it's about discipline. Any party needs to present a united front to the electorate. Look how factional the Tories are and how that hurts their messaging.
Yep, it's a good job then that Labour are a united disciplined party... (looks at the recent Diane Abbott situation/fiasco)... ohhhhhhhhhh, oh nooo.
Yeah, so Labour infighting between the more left-wing 'Corbynite' factions and the more centrist 'Blairite', and claims that Starmer is trying to 'purge' the left-wing of the party. Granted it probably won't effect the polls, but it is a bad look, especially now.
yep, and the journalists are the first to jump on any party disunity. I'm beginning to realise how our politics have been so badly damaged by media looking for clicks and stories and often manufacturing them it seems.
@@robc7162 This. When it looks like a shoe-in for one party, media will do *anything* to make a story out of nothing in order to feed the algorithm. Bit like having Farage on QT...
@rowejon Yes, party 'diciipline' is a recognised way of putting out a consistent party message, but Starmer's constant breaking promises hss destroyef any semblence of trustworthiness, let alone 'discipline". Starmer is literally even worse than the tories. This means that Labour need voting for only if there is no viable non tory option to Lsbour. Starmer is toxic and cannot be PM.
From about @21:00 This lady has nailed what seems clear, the previously unexpressed view that the generation that I think of as The Spitfire Generation has successfully voted for the winning side for many decades but is now out of touch with the younger consensus. It never seemed to occur to the "Spitfires" that their wonderful service in World War Two led them to conflate loyalty to the British establishment with certain values which had become redundant so continuing to vote Tory actually resulted in increased fascism not less fascism. Some of these 'Spitfires' even bought into the narrative that just because their genetation was blessed with full employment, subsequent ones were workshy or lazy. These staunch anti fascists simply cannot accept just how fascist Britain has already become, so they continue to vote for the very thing that they fought against
Thank you for posting the video, Sunak is only in power because he makes £140 million from govt contracts. Has he helped the people, answer is NO.
Younger people not really rising WW2 veterans barely still live kinda makes sense. Old people who didn't fight in the war or were even born after it associating themselves with that generation is disgusting, it's practically stolen valour
It's older people, but also increasingly people born in the 60s and even later. They attach themselves to the greatest generation like barnacles on a spitfire. It is indeed disgusting.
I used to live in Faiza's seat Chingford and am amazed how low she got the Tory IDS majority in 2019, bucking the downward labour trend. While not super wealthy, Chingford & Woodford Green are naturally Tory, mostly commuters on the edge of Epping Forest and to take that for Labour would be a big achievement.
Let Faiza continue to tirelessly work her magic and make Tebbit's old seat Labour
I think you're giving too much credit to Faiza for that. Labour's only gain in 2019 was in London, Putney. Middle class professional Londoners have been trending away from the Tories ever since 2015. A whole slate of once true blue London/ SE seats will go Labour at the next election. Including Steve Baker's Wycombe, in all probability.
The polls do not automatically narrow. Saying the polls have not yet narrowed, as though that is inevitable, is unhelpful.
Hopefully she’ll stand down
Hopefully she won't.
You’ve led with a story based on two Labour factions leaking stuff. KS said nothing incorrect- I’m disappointed NS has pitched Diane as a pure innocent in all this, simply not true. What she said last year was horrendous and 3 MPsnot being allowed to stand as being presented as a cull!
She phrased very poorly the fact that if you are black (or ginger), your colour makes you a constant target for racists. As a not observant Jew, there is nothing that tells people I am Jewish. I might hear awful random remarks that will make me explode. But I am not relentlessly targetted. However, Diane Abbott disregarded the fact that some Jews will dress in such a way that they can be targetted and attacked, and that if they dressed and behaved differently for the sake of not enduring attacks, it would be at great cost for their mental health. They would feel like traitors of the generations behind them who have suffered, died, traitors that they cannot observe the rules that give their lives structure and meaning. Diane did not take this reality into account.
But what she said was not a holocaust denial, or a denial of the millenia of suffering suffered by Jews. It was just not thought through, because she is not Jewish, just like, for all my good will, I cannot be sure that what I say or do will not offend LGBTQ+, Gypsies, and Black/Brown/Ginger individuals.
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He's done a great thing for the country giving Labour the key's to number 10 !
Starmer has said time after time that there was no barring of Abbott. She is making a show as her last bow, but it may cost her a seat in the Lords!!!!
I doubt it Chakrabarti got a seat in the Lords for stating that there was no anti semitism in the Labour party. Look how that turned out
@@georgebain5734 Have you read the Forde Report (commissioned by Starmer)? Chakrabarti was apparently correct.
But he didn’t say he was happy for her to stand as a Labour candidate as Angela Rayner did.
Worst thing they did was take an obscure corner issue on the EU into a defining major issue.
As Brexit was impossible to succeed, when the pandemic started we had the biggest Brexit liar ensured we were the least prepared
did a somehow re-animated Picasso do the video formatting for this
Rishi has made a bigger mistake than David Cameron's Brexit referendum. No one thought it was possible........until now
I think Starmer realy shot himself in the foot. People were already a bit miffed by the obvious purge. Having attacked Diane Abbott, has now attracted the focus on ALL the candidates Starmer wants to deselect.
If he had left Diane Abbott alone, people would not be scrutinising who else he is deselecting.
Banana curvature has lost the headlines of late, but is of utmost importance! How can we survive without the Daily Mail bringing us these deep existential questions ❓
another question to throw into the pot is IF the Tories lose badly, will they have the stomach to be in opposition given many of the newbies don't look as if they would be in for a long fight back
Typical, headline a story about Sunak making a big mistake but of course lead with what Labour are doing, pathetic.
I'm just glad Freddie's surname is spelt correctly
He’s fit af.
So what does the overall profile of labour MPs look like? People claim that there are a lot of Keir Starmer loyalists filled into the party. If we are looking at 500 MPs, will there still be a strong left wing of the party?
My God, I think everyone needs to learn verbal comprehension or at least learn to stop and think about what is being said before throwing out damaging allegations. Especially Dianne. She destroyed her Party’s based on hearsay not facts/hard proof.
When did Starmer say she see was banned?
Verbal comprehension! You need to learn how to use apostrophes and plurals.
lol I said verbal not written. Clearly your overall comprehension skills are low too. Sort it out 😂
@@MissRG_THFC "Party's". Also, one n in Diane.
Can someone please explain to me as a Dutchie, why the UK people want to vote for the Labour Party? Im so confused?! The rest of Europe is become more rightwing as we want to stop this invasion, however the UK polls suggest that the Labour Party will win with a landslide. Someone pls explain!!!!!
We've had 15 years of a right-wing government, getting further right more recently, and most people agree that they feel worse off now than they did 15 years ago. The alternative right wing party have some support but not enough to win seats, whereas labour is an already established party which now seems vastly more competent than the current government. Labour is also moving towards the centre so they have wide appeal.
the Labour Party is no longer a Socialist Party...ask Jeremy Corbyn...
We are not racist
@@felix.henson Labour's been right of centre since Blair. "Overton Window".
When has he not made a mistake?
Those attacking labour are pro Tory. No ifs, no buts. You are supporting Sunak by attacking labour
Vote out to help out. Vote Labour give them a chance we can always vote them out 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
NO! Vote for the party most likely to keep out the Tory candidate.
@@earlofdoncaster5018 100%. Even a centrist Labour party is better than the tories. Shame Owen Jones doesn't live in reality.
Wait until your viewers find out about sunak’s part in the theft of 10s of £bns.
Jeremy corbyn is a gem of person, England is in the loss that he was put on sidelines on the whims of political elites
He was leader of the Labour party and f*cked it up. Hardly being put on the sidelines. You should try critical thinking.
Leader of the Labour party who was trounced by May and gave us more misery? I'd say the Labour party wanted rid, and they were right.
I expect July nicely ties in with his new job offer in California, to start August!
Yes ! He has ! He was born !
Yes, he's made ALL the terrible mistakes
The only person who said she couldn't stand was Diane Abbot. I'm not sure what all the drama is about.
She does look unwell in press coverage recently. Friends have suggested a stroke as potential cause. I genuinely hope she is well
I noticed a tremor in her right arm during an interview a couple of days ago. Something has happened to Diane. I hope she's stable now and is not in an ongoing medical situation.
Labour's NEC had drawn up a shortlist of candidates for Abbott's constituency and her name didn't appear on the list. If there's a list of potential candidates and your name is not on it, then to all intents and purposes you're blocked, whether or not there's been an official announcement.
Such a crass comment. I'm embarrassed for you.
@@chaipup7045 your shame is all on you
@@dixieflatline1189 Why would I feel any shame? I'm not the one who's suggesting she's physically ill with no facts to back up my assumption. Poor response.
Yes becoming prime minister The Tories biggest blinder
Im confused, ive not heard anyone report that labour leadership definitely say Abbott cant stand. The story seems to have come from Dianne saying they havent said she can as soon as she got the whip back, and the press. Can the press provide any evidence for this ban, or are they just making it all up?
Speaking as a baby boomer, I think those who peddle the received wisdom that our generation is over-whelmingly pro-Tory are in for a shock. What I think is true is that our generation is sceptical about Starmer and Labour's ability to make the slightest change. You have to remember that we have lived through decades of deeply unimpressive Westminster politics that fails to deliver anything.whoever has been in power. Just to add a bit of humour, Freddie's wallpaper is the sort of thing my parents would have loved! Keep up the good work on these casts - they go from great to wonderful!
Statistically it's just true. So it's not "received wisdom".
Older people vote Tory much more than young people. Its just a fact.
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Same. 1970's I was a working-class boy at a grammar school in West Sussex and got plenty of abuse for being a socialist. So many of my old schoolmates have moved Left since that time.
Why do you assume the anonymous briefings were true?
Would there be as much noise if Rishi Sunak had blocked Suella Braverman?
Hot air nothing to do with being in government.
A question: there has been a lot of comment about how the SNP will fare in Scotland and how Labour will perform in Wales in light of party controversies, what do you think will happen in Northern Ireland? Best, Gavin
'Has Rishi Sunak made a terrible mistake?' You people are supposed to inform us, not ask us questions!
Does not seem that the great UK public is too interested in either party and their turmoil.
All I want to really know, is when will he and most of his death and Taxes party be arrested.
certainly hope so
Starmer created Abbotgate himself by not being clear and saying he could see no reason why Diane Abbot shouldn’t stand as a Labour candidate as Angela Rayner did when she was asked. I think he is more concerned about antisemitism in the party and losing support from Jewish groups if she is reinstated. He handled this situation very badly and it may harm his chances.
It won't. People don't care about that. They care about the mess.
There he goes again, saying Ed Davey has been kept away from target seats. He's been to a new one every day.
I did gigle at KS's rather nonchalant "Diane is free to stand if she wishes" 🤣
was he wrong?
this was a Tory led media story, pure b/s from day 1. Abbott of course enjoys a bit of limelight and does nothing to dismiss the nonsense reporting. Move on!
Capitulation or common sense? I despise the notion that if somebody decides to change their mind on something or adapt to new situations or information that it shows that they’ve capitulated or lost control.
JM Keynes put it this way: _When the facts change, I change my mind to suit them, what do you do?_
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Those who actually served in WWII may well be dead, for the most part, but most of those over 65 had parents who did serve and many had fathers (especially) or other relatives who died in that service. WWII had an important impact on their lives even if they were too young to have actually served. Young people should not be dismissing the importance of WWII for the older generation.
The people who served and worked in ww2 voted against Brexit.
My head is already analysing the Labour govt and all the problems they will have. But I get journalists have to talk about the Tories as if there's any chance they'll win. I am more interested in the divides in Labour now.
Sunak can't afford another Tory government and he knows it. Someone has to try to fix the mess but Starmer is not up to the job.
You are both siding the truth. I thought you were better than that‼️
The tories have had their time
Yep. IMO Labour will be the new Conservative party and independents will form the nucleus of a New Left.
Yes, he became PM
Britain clearly needs loads more housing. Why do home owners consider the view out of their bedroom window to be more important than their children moving out into their own homes.
But where it's needed, and how much, and how it's provided - these are all legitimate concerns which just building "loads more housing" won't address: because developers are wholly uninterested on social need, and wholly focussed on private profit. Letting those bastards rip would be an environmental and social disaster because we'll end up with ticky-tacky housing estates all over the countryside and STILL have huge problems of homelessness.
@@RobertJonesWightpaint sounds like a Nimby
By law he had to announce a general election by January 2025 at that point Mr Useless would no longer legally be able to kick the can down the road
Oh I love Freddie’s wallpaper
It looks like Rachel is in my old flat 😅
YES so do I - fantastic
Sounds like a euphemism😂 do the curtains match the carpet?
Andrew Brigden in an interview on May 14th said "Rishi wants out, he told the generals that he doesn't want to be a wartime prime minister". On the 22nd of May Rishi calls for a snap election, which we all know he will lose. Sir Keir Starmer will be our wartime prime minister...
Trying to think of a worse source (for anything) than Bridgen, but it's tough. Generally speaking it's better to get information from sane people with at least a slight toe-hold on reality. (I'm being slightly unfair there, Bridgen might not be crazy. He could just be a grifter who''s found a gullible bunch of people to milk for every penny he can get...)
I think there is one way Sunak has made a terrible mistake. This was his one and only chance to ever be PM, and he shortened it by over 20% to hold this election early. He will be PM for something like 20 months instead of 26 months.
It was his *one* shot, why would he choose to make it so short?
Rayner needs to be Leader. She is prepared to stand up to the Israel Lobby.
Sunak should learn from Keir as to how to deal with internal malcontents.
Lets hope Ed Davey's next fun assignment will be as leader of the Opposition!
My view is that mass immigration over the past 25 years under Labour and the Tories is responsible for the rise in sectarian politics. Nobody voted for mass immigration; taxpayers have had no say in it; and everybody has been told in no uncertain terms that they must accept it. But in so many ways it has caused more problems than it has solved.
A third of a million people from the subcontinent and 140,000 from Nigeria came to live in Britain in the last year alone, according to the ONS last week. Will they all integrate fully into British society?
Who,s interest is this for,? We have zero voice , we want our country back...i get it.
I might be wrong, but i just don't see random constituencies in places like rural Essex, Wiltshire, Lincolnshire, Hampshire going anything but Tory. I think the Tories have a base of about 150 seats based on sheer tribalism. I think there's something a bit off about MRP polling. I don't rate MRP polls.
Why should an MP who has faithfully served for some near 40 years be stopped from standing. Removing a choice that the voters want given the fact she is obviously a vote winner.
Champagne socialist who sent her kids to private school. Get rid.
I rhink its great
Do Rachel and Freddie have a thing going on? Definitely some chemistry there.
What does the hive mind think? It’d be more interesting than the election coverage.
I don’t think he made a mistake- he just realised he’s crap, so are the Tories and he can’t do what he said rawanda boat policy -
Joe Biden thought Sunak’s name was Rasheed Sanook, I couldn’t stop laughing for ages.
why, because you can't tell the difference between brown people either?
I think you mean Trump, Biden is not in cognative decline.
@@chaipup7045 Whatever, really ?
I guess racism is okay when it's done against Tories. Okay.
@@khar12d8 What a sad little boy/girl.
How, exactly, are the Red Tories under "Sir" Keir different from the Blue ones under Rishi? Besides the colour of their rosettes. Enquiring minds would like to know.
Shame about Ian Dale.
How can he pledge 600 million to towns when they can’t pay the doctors.
I'm not surprised someone who is a Tory would be outraged if Abbott couldn't stand. She's a walking disaster as an MP in terms of the Labour Party's image as a whole. She's a walking, talking Dunning-Kruger effect, and worse, she is a fairly prominent figure for various reasons, particularly post Corbyn era. Whilst she has a whole lot of diehard fans on the left, she _really_ turns off a lot of non-automatic Labour voters, and even many automatic Labour voters.
Labour is likely to have a significant majority. Does Starmer really need to worry too much about one or ‘rebels’? I think not. Labour has made a mountain out of a mole hill on this issue.
23 points behind in the poll of polls..... the tories are looking at a calamity. That gives them 60 seats. The rest of us can celebrate when the brexiteers are ejected from parliament 😂
Can anyone explain to me why it "makes sense" that Corbyn has been expelled but doesn't make sense for Abbott? What did Corbyn do that made him deserve that? As far as I'm concerned, Abbott made actual offensive comments whereas Corbyn was just pro-Palestine.
Corbyn destroyed the Labour Party’s chances of becoming the government with his statements on national security, antisemitism, Brexit and many other things. Diane Abbott was suspended for making one thoughtless statement. There is a world of difference between those two things.
He was ejected because he questioned the results of the probe into anti-semitism and refused to apologise for not doing enough to root it out.
U turns are risky business. You alienate the people who agree with the original decision, probably more than if it went the other way to start with; like a goal that's disallowed on VAR innit. And then you alienate those who didn't, because you took your time about it.
If Rishi loses he'll get a knighthood and go into the City and make more money he doesn't need, then write his memoirs about how he personally saved the universe from collapse.
Libs don’t get coverage. That’s why.🤦🏻♂️
If he had gone later on it would have been worse
It all depends on how you define ‘older’ Current polls suggests that what they call ‘propensity to vote’ Tory kicks in at 71. But the older generation - Boomers - starts at about 55 and people that age to
the 70s have no more propensity to vote Tory than anyone else although l) they have a high propensity to vote and 2) they are much more likely to be swing voters and live in swing seats. Hence they are chased by the parties - particularly the Tories. Personally I think the Tories are making a great mistake in thinking that right-wing ‘Colonel Blimp/Nationalist’ policies will attract them at all as are commentators who buy this line.
reporter not journalist
On July 4th, I will be voting for labour (or rather my postal vote will get counted at some point!) I'm not going to be influenced by the left who want him gone, and another five years of Tory austerity and defunding. I suspect the anti-Starmerites are comfortable and well fed.
Euw the camera quality come on.....
It's about time Freddie moved on back to the Torygraph
If every commentator prefaced their remarks with "In my opinion...." or "It seems to me...." the world would be a marginally better place.
Lots of speculative blah blah blah here but almost no verifiable facts. You could reasonably argue that it has taken way too long to resolve the 'Abbott situation' but I've never heard Starmer say she can't stand.