Occupations Tie Ancestors Together in Genealogy Research
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- It might be the occupations of your ancestors that tie them together when doing your genealogical research. Occupations should not be overlooked and I’ll tell you why in this episode. Also, I’ll show you a trick to get around a bug in Ancestry’s newspaper search.
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0:00 Intro
1:25 U.S. Census Records
3:01 Example - The Deworth Family
4:41 Using an Excel Spreadsheet to track occupations
5:51 Using Ancestry Search
7:16 Separating people by occupation
8:14 Using Address Information to find the family
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9:15 Finding Names in Newspaper Articles
10:03 How to Add Occupational Facts on Ancestry
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The tip on getting the name on a newspaper page highlighted is GOLDEN - thanks Connie.
Agreed! These search tips are soooooo helpful.
Thank you!
My 2x Great Grandfather started out in Birmingham as a brassworker like most of his family, but later Census data has him living in and managing a pub together with my 2x Great grandmother. I respect that he managed to get out of the factory and hope this was his passion.
My grandfather delivered ice and coal by horse cart in Brooklyn NY as did his brother. I found that several men that were listed as witnesses on various documents were icemen also. That led me to a documentary called Barese Icemen of New York. Interesting to learn how many people of the same region got into the same business.
Oh that's a good one. Ice delivery! I bet he was a popular guy in the summer. Cool job. 😂
My 3rd great-grandfather, Thomas Cox, was a hair dresser and it was this that really helped me pick out his children in the baptismal register and, later, their marriages. It also helped me discern him from the other Thomas Cox in the same town who owned an eating house.
My great-grandfather, Frederick Ferdinando, was an auctioneer and had many adventures as such, one of which included people chasing him and threatening his life!
Wow. Very interesting family history.
Thanks for tip on adding occupation as a fact. Some of my ancestors occupations were draftsman, shoemaker, pattern maker, bookkeeper and of course machinist! That tip on newspaper will definitely come in handy.
Thanks @Kathleen Kelley and for your support. Yeah, I like the newspaper trick too.
My ancestor owned a fireworks factory in the early 1800s. During the Civil War, he retooled to make fuses for weapons for the Union. Fun, eh?
Dino-mite! Sorry I could not resist.
I learned that I am at least the fourth consecutive generation of my mother’s family to become a public school teacher. This took me back to about 1860. One f the most fascinating things that I learned was that my uncle, my mother’s elder brother who was estranged from the family, had along with his wife worked on writing and publishing the Shorthand text that I had in my classroom.
Wow... there's an interesting tidbit for the family history.
Loved the newspaper tip! I've spent a lot of time scanning pages to find my person. Many thanks!!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent in terms of how to add the date range and attribute sources!! Thanks!
I didn't know how to do that!
Sidenote re occupations, not as distinctive dividers but in terms of complexities, more for people reading comments
than for you.
One of my ancestors was always, everywhere, "farmer, farmer, farmer." But he was also a lumbermill owner, and lumber dealer, he owned oil wells, and held shares in a bridge company. Didn't have a clue until I found his will.
Just one of those 'you can never assume' things ;)
So true. Thanks for commenting.
My paternal GGGrandfather (b 1846) and GGrandfather (b 1870) were plumbers, one worked at the Danvers Insane Hospital, the other at Tewksbury State Mental Hospital
, both in Massachusetts. I was able to find records including their rate of pay, because those institutions filed annual statements with employee names. My Grandmother (b 1900) got her college degree (found the yearbook on eBay) and became a hospital worker in nutrition. Before she married, she was Head Nutritionist at the same Tewksbury hospital where her future father in law worked. (Did she meet her husband through that work connection?) As a key member of staff, she was mentioned by name in the annual reports, I also found her earlier work records in the Harlem Hospital system in the early 1920’s. She died shortly after birthing her first and only son in 1928, my father, so finding these occupational records was like reading a book about her life. Her mother must have submitted updates to the local town paper in Andover, MA, because she got plenty of press when she got a big new job. Of course, she quit work as soon as she got married, this was 1927. :(
That's some good family history right there.
Thanks for another great video, Connie. This is a great idea for sorting all those same-name people. Also, thanks for the work around for the highlighting issue on the newspaper articles. That has been a frustration of mine, too.
My ancestors were primarily farmers, but there were also reverends, potters, textile workers, builders, and one 2nd great-grandmother was a postmaster (appointed in 1883).
Have a blessed day. :)
You are so welcome!
Thank you for making me a better genealogist by learning from your videos! 🌱
So nice of you
I found a great-great-grandfather in Delaware listed as a molder. At first I thought it had to do with making molding for interior design but then I learned that there were iron works in northern Delaware and that’s where he worked. This information is so interesting in terms of history and context.
It really is. It kind of brings history back to life.
Thanks for the advice about how to add a fact. I'm new at this and didn't know. You've helped my documentation efforts.
Welcome to genealogy. Soon you will find yourself losing track of time, not eating, reading old documents until your eyes get blurring. Nothing to worry about... it's just a side effect from being bitten by the genealogical bug. It's all good. 😂
My great grandfather was a chandelier maker, which helped me identify him on the England Censuses and then the U.S. Censuses. His brother, however, went from being a saw maker in England to a music teacher in the U.S.!
So music runs in your family line? Does that make you musician?
@@GenealogyTV it does. And it also made my grandfather one. He was a member of Guy Lombardo’s band for over 50 years. He played woodwinds and sang in a trio. He co-wrote several songs with Carmen Lombardo and was the band’s arranger for many years.
Hi my Irish ancestors were mostly puddlers and Dock labourers, my English side stretch from miners and mill workers to hotel management or farmers .
Very cool. Thanks for sharing.
I found among my ancestors surname Sidelnyk which means “saddler”. In Eastern Galicia there are many “occupation’s” surnames
Oh that's a good one.
I love ancestry, it's not perfect but it's the best out there.
None of them are perfect, but I agree with you. I love Ancestry.
Great tips Connie! Very informative! Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent! Great tips.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love census records and city directories. I have tied family using neighbors listed in census records and directories.
Yes! Exactly.
Researching for a friend, who's family was difficult to find, we used the one known address in the Ancestry search and found multiple generations thru decades at this place. We also found a very common name challenge. The fellow we were researching was a Concrete Worker. He would travel at seasons for work out of state. Knowing his occupation was a vital link to identifying our friend's loved one in a multiple regional States. And their African American heritage story is begining to take shape into something that family memebers can share. Most of all, they are feeling the comfort of learning and celebrating the lives of their loved ones. How wonderful a work this is! ❤
Amem. Great story.
I enjoy your videos. I have been researching for 40 years now. I love learning new ways to use technology to improve my research. Southwest Texas is my home.
Wonderful! Thanks for the compliment. I've been researching for over 40 years too... it never gets old. Is that punn?
Hi Connie. I always add occupation to the census or directory residence, also add in street address if given.
Smart!
Connie, Great tips! I have implemented adding occupations...lots to do! 🕵🏻♀️ Hack driver, house painter, lots of carpenters, farmers for when there wasn't really much else to do, stock broker (committed suicide after the crash), & teachers.
Glad it was helpful!
I work mostly on FamilySearch and came across an ancestor's profile that was a conglomeration of two men with same name. I separated them by their occupations. One was a surgeon, the other a sewing machine agent. I go through the census records and add streets, occupations, family worth sometimes (this can be important around the Depression era i.e. a change in profession).
I used it again when a man was a miller in New York and then records moved across the country to Nebraska and the stock business. Looking through the Census, I found his wife's brother and family had also moved and the two men were both in the stock business and living at the same address. That showed me that the man from New York and the man from Nebraska were one and the same.
Good detective work.
@@GenealogyTV Thanks, I was pleased with the outcome, because as you well know, it could've easily gone off the rails.
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Great newspaper trick !
Glad you think so!
Very useful. Thanks. I have an ancestor in England identified as an "iron dresser" - one who bashes a cast iron piece when it comes out of the mold. The building he worked in is still there after 120 years and is now a car repair shop.
Oh that's a good one. I think I'll start a list of occupations.
95% farmers, but diversifying as we get into the 20th century - merchant, commercial traveller in farming machinery, insurance salesman, railroad linemen, and, of course, machinist!
LOL... yes. Agreed.
I have watching your videos. I have been researching on Family Search and ancestry. My Uncle on my mom's side research that side on ancestry and shared it with me. Well I have been entering it on family search. Well tonight it populated to Abt 0966. I'm still going to research the it. But just wanted to say thank you for your videos they do help. Hopefully I can find more info on my dad's side.
Wonderful! Thanks for the compliments.
Great presentation here. I have found same ancestors with multiple trades ( Porter in a store, Watchman, Car driver ) in late 1800's NYC... but with common names I could not be sure if they were the same or different people. By using the census and directory addresses, I was able to discern that the ancestor was indeed the same person, who declared different occupations on various documents - perhaps strategically. His Naturalization witness ran a carriage/couch operation.. so he became a 'car driver '.. same year in a directory listed as a Watchman, and in the Census : Porter in a Store.. ( which sould slightly less blue collar.. given that car drivers were running horses all day etc etc ). In some Sicilian research I've found that occupations morph from a designated 'family ' occupation ( blacksmith ).. then on to 'shoemaker' then on to 'jacket presser' then onto 'tailor.. usually moving from one family occupation to the acquired family occupation via marriage.
It's always interesting to see what they did for a living.
My husband's grandfather was a booking agent for a circus of sorts that went all over the world. In the 1940 census my father-in-law was listed as living in China in 1935.
Wow. Hey thanks for supporting GTV!
Really good method for sorting and even gathering new information. My ancestors ranged from mostly farmers, butcher & leather workers, carriage builders, brick workers and funny enough a bootlegger with a grocery store as his front.
Bootlegger... he was probably from the North Carolina mountains. LOL
@@GenealogyTV Haha he was a immigrant Lithuanian who lived in New Brunswick, NJ. He was very popular in the newspapers for his "business" dealings 😂.
Connie,This was a really interesting video. I am currently researching my Thames River Watermen and Lightermen from 1600 to 1970s. For many of the earlier records it is only when looking at marriages and baptisms for children that occupations can be found. I have used the Apprentice/Freedom of London records but they do not include all the men recorded in the previously mentioned records.
Thank you. Good luck in your hunt.
The most interesting occupation I found wasn’t really in the occupation but in the story. I found one reference where an ancestor was a pig farmer who got on a boat to Nova Scotia to sell pigs, and it was lost at sea where it was taken over by pirates and he ended up living as a slave for 8 years. He returned to America in savannah Georgia and found out his wife remarried so he made his brother swear to not tell anyone he was alive until after he was dead. Would love to find more info to corroborate the story!
Wow! What an interesting story. That's a new one, I hadn't heard before. I hope you documented all of that. That's one of those "you can't make this up" kind of stories.
I found a baptism record for one of my maternal aunts which shows the godparents. In attempting to discover the relationship between the godfather and the my grandparents, I discovered the godfather was a leather worker as well as was my grandfather! I felt I could make an assumption they were coworkers at the same company.
You have a good instincts. I think you’re probably right. More than likely you’ll come across another record that shows him as a leather worker. Excellent work Raymond.
I found if I go to ancestry thru a browser that highlighted is there where ancestry web site doesn’t.. great video, I have learned so much from you.
Thanks
I have 7 generations of confectioners, (not sweet makers, they were what we call bakers and fancy cake makers these days) from Yarmouth england to Melbourne australia, if you count my aunt and myself who made wedding cakes for friends as a paying hobby. Tracking the occupations and location of the shops ended up working out that one mystery generation was actually a step child who used his step fathers last name, Naunton, once his mother married his boss even though he was already an adult, and used his original last name, Best, as the middle name for his children. It was originally assume he was an illegitimate Naunton son. To make matters worse, another branch started as a grocer but learnt on the job to become a confectioner and open his own shop. Then his daughter eloped with one of the original confectioners, who by now had a large bakery. The rest of that family were butchers. Is it any surprise that I have a weight issue 🙄
Also thank you for the newspaper tip. That will be a huge help. And adding a date range for the occupation. I add them all the time but end with multiple entries at ridiculous times when the info comes from something like a daughters death certificate.
I could not be in that business. I struggle with my weight enough as it is. I'd be licking the frosting bowl too much. LOL
Great presentation! I have an ancestor who was a wheelwright and another man same surname also a wherlwright came to the same area. Both from Germany. I suspect they are related but no proof yet. Another ancestor of my children was a cigar maker in New Orleans, then Galveston.
Wow. Very interesting.
One of my family names filled half a street, all were shoe and slipper makers, all their children had the same names and I'm convinced several children were counted more than once in the census for this family at different door numbers, being Gaelic speakers there were so many different spellings of the same name captured too. I think, i have also deduced that there were actually 3 different origins to the families here even though all shared the same name. They maintained a difference between slipper makers and shoe makers as if there was a status issue.
I have Scottish ancestry too. The naming convention that they followed certainly made it harder to determine which ancestor (Peter, Alexander, John, or Duncan, etc.) was mine. Most of them were farmers or gentlemen. However, I have a few shoemakers and tanners as well.
Excellent!
I recently found out that my father had a brief marriage before he met my mother. It was a city directory that listed his occupation that was the final proof that this was actually my father.
Wow. That’s a great story.
My 5x great grandfather was born about 1795 in NC. He died in 1824 in very rural Georgia. After digging through hours of unindexed superior Court records, I found that in 1818 and 1819 he was suing 2 different men for nonpayment on grist mills he'd built them.
Now this line is particularly tangled because about 75% of them moved to Georgia within a few years of each other, and had about 5 names they used through 3 or 4 generations, so picking apart cousins, brothers uncles, fathers 😟
I was recently sorting out their NC deeds from the late 1780s and 1800s and wouldn't you know?
There are a couple conveyances, between family members, on the same piece of property that has a grist mill on it!
And right down from that property is another piece of property that is referred to as "Faircloth's Bridge", also mentioned in several deeds between family members (neat side fact, that road is still named Faircloth's Bridge Rd). My best guess is, the fact it's known enough to be named in a deed multiple times, there was a road that ran through the property,, but built and maintained a bridge there in order for customers to access their mill.
It may just be a grist mill, but it's definitely a lead on further picking apart who might have belonged to who, because you weren't born knowing how to build a mill, and it's not like people then were going to school to learn engineering, you usually grew up in the family trade, so it definitely helps further pick apart who's who..
And I would also like to add, a farmer is not always a "farmer"!
The man who helped create the foundation of the Tennessee Walking Horse breed was always marked as a "farmer", when in fact he was a big horse breeder.
If you want to know if your ancestors were a little more than fruit and vegetables growers (which is what I think of when I read "farming" 🙂), look at their FAN Club, especially through probate records of wealthy people in the area, and especially estate packets that might include receipts for debts they may owe your ancestors, also in court minutes where they would sue individuals for nonpayment for services.
I know in another family members will, who died at a young(er) age due to illness, left a nephew the money his estate would collect on for the bricks he made and supplied to build the county jail.
They were never just "farmers" 🙂
Great story. Faircloth is a common name here in NC. I'm guessing that bridge is near Fayetteville or maybe Charlotte?
@@GenealogyTV Yes, it's near Fayetteville, over the South River
My great-grandfather was first a deliveryman for coca cola in the 1920s and then a plant supervisor in the 1930s, also for coca cola.
Interesting. My father-in-law was a seven-up delivery guy.
The ones I've been able to find say "merchant"
They may also be under a different name... like shop keeper.
Connie, this question isn't about occupations, but thanks for the video.
I was telling someone who has an unknown male ancestor a few generations back, that you did some videos where you talked about figuring out the birth father for one of your ancestors using YDNA and then the FAN approach. Could you tell me which videos would be the best for him to watch? I think he might find them helpful.
Pam
Hi Pam. I think you are talking about the video called #1 Way to Break Down Brick Walls: Updated 2020. The part you are talking about starts at about 5:30 into the show. Here is the link....and thanks for asking. th-cam.com/video/gxIVr9-PvUE/w-d-xo.html
In early 1900, a distant relative is known to be a teacher but the censuses for that time period show him as a farmer. Was a farmer more important than being a teacher? I don't know that he was growing anything in particular that might have been more needed at the time. Just thought this was an interesting fact.
Hey Connie...I have an uncle that may have been in the merchant marines. Will you consider doing a video on this occupation? Thanks for all.
Thanks for supporting the channel Bradley. I'll consider doing something on professions of the past. I had a grandfather who was in the Merchant Marines too. I'd need an historian to help me with this subject.
@@GenealogyTV My grandfather and brother (ship's engineers, also called Stationary Engineers) were both in the Merchant Marines. I have been bugging my brother concerning the Great Lakes Merchant Marines and researching the companies whose ships carried the men around the world. My great-uncles were also merchant marines. Shipping occupations would be an interesting topic.
Shoemaker has helped me break apart people with the same name but “laborer” has not been as helpful lol
Well there you go. See... occupations that tie people together!
A number of my ancestors were stone masons, on both sides of the family.
That's some solid family history...get it? Solid as a rock! Stone mason! Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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Is there any videos you have on connecting the non population schedule /agriculture schedule to a particular individual? I have a lot of farmers who owned farms or lived on a farm. And at the end of there line is shows the number under schedule. But idk how to look them up. It seems that it goes in order by family. 1st family on the the census has the schedule number 1, or 105th person/family in the same census it could be the 50th farm schedule coinciding with the 50th family who owns a farm.
If there’s no existing video , could you make one on how to find the right farm schedule for your ancestor? And what can it tell you about your family?
That's a great question. I'm working on another video that I will try and incorporate that question into.
Hi Connie. Thanks for another good episode. An odd thing-I have not had a problem with clicking a highlighted word in a newspaper search and having it go directly to the highlighted word on the actual newspaper page.
I replicated your search steps on Enoch DeWorth, beginning with clicking “search” on his profile page. But when I clicked on the same newspaper item you did, it went straight to the highlighted name on the page. How can things like this happen?!
Interesting. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the browser (I use chrome) or different locations, different versions of Ancestry. I'm on an older version of the platform.
@@GenealogyTV I'm in Maine and use Firefox, but don't know which version of Ancestry I use. How can you tell?
My second great grandfather was a Shoemaker listed in the 1850 Census in Ohio. With your research in Burlington County, have you gone back to the late 1700's or early 1800's? My second great grand =father was born in 1804 in Burlington county and there is very little information from around 1800. I have been looking for his parents names for many years. I've looked at land records, wills and other records without luck. They moved to Ohio in the late 1830's so no census records exist.
My research on this family goes back to around 1815. I only did enough research on this family to solve the mystery of the marriage certificate... which is in another video that I'm guessing you have seen already as a member. Thank you for being a member BTW. Keep digging. While census records are awesome, they're are a lot of other records that might help solve your mystery. Also, try other platforms from your primary one, if you haven't already. Find the local genealogical society, or history society, local county libraries have stuff too.
Question for the American people…
I have a certificate located in the state of New York that I want to order of a relative married in 1950. With myself being from the UK how do I get a copy of the full certificate that states their mother’s and fathers?
Go here and scroll down to marriages. www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/New_York_Vital_Records
My maternal grandfather was a shoe salesman and his paternal grandfather was a shoemaker!!!!
Nice search tip, about the newspaper highlight 👌
Thank you
Well if the shoe fits! Sorry I could not resist.😂
I know this does not have anything to do with the video but it sorta is. Can you tell me what it means when you find a person in the census (in this case the 1860 census and the 1860 slave schedule where a man is listed as an agent for another man in this case Charles C. Sheppard is an agent for John Richardson. Do you think John is not at home or what. I don't understand what he is doing and on the 1860 census it does not give an age or any identifying information or family members it just says again he is an agent for John Richardson.
Interesting. I'm not sure. What comes to mind is that he might be kind of a modern day manager. I would do FAN club research on the agent to see what you can learn about him. Based on what you said, it makes me think he is managing the slaves and plantation... but I can't say for sure. You might look at the Freedmen's Bureau records and see if John Richardson or Charles C. Sheppard show up in any documents there. You can go here and search for free... even if you don't have an Ancestry account. www.ancestry.com/search/collections/catalog/?keyword=Freedmen%27s%20Bureau
I just had to chuckle. As you were talking about the machinist and the coroner in the directory, the 82 Second address popped out at me and I said out loud “Oh, and Kate and Irene belong to the machinist!” Then you proceeded to point out the same thing. Guess I’m getting well trained from these videos. My family is all Italian and Sicilian, and we have multiple names in every family and I’ve been using directory pages to keep them straight for a couple years now, using occupation and addresses. It’s alllll important and helpful, for sure. I do have a question, wouldn’t it be “fun” if we could use occupation to help find these folks in a search? Do you know if it’s possible, if so, what would be the best tool to use? I suppose the Card Catalog, your fave. I would assume the occupation would be a keyword. Loved the video, as usual.
You learn well. Yes... I would use Keywords to search for occupations. I don't know what the results would be as it might be different for each record set... but worth a try. You might try good old fashioned Google searches like "William DeWorth + Machinist" to see what you find. Lastly, this episode has much more to this story. Stay tuned for the big story coming up this Friday... it made national headlines.
@@GenealogyTV waiting…….. 😁 I’m so excited. This search will have to wait, as I’m finally headed to NY to “meet/see” a new-found cousin! Makes all the searching worth it! ❤️
Fantastic
My 2XggGrandfather Warren Smart in the 1850 Pownal, Vt. Census has an occupation of what appears to be a Whaler, however it’s written like old English style. I don’t know how to find the proper occupation.
That was his occupation. He likely was a seaman... fisherman, hunting whales. Look to the archives for stories about whaling. They are fascinating stories how they did this way back with minimal equipment.
Look in Google books too!
How would it be possible for someone to pass on suggestions to the programmers at ancestry??
Use the feedback button. It is all over the platform.
I really want to learn excel so I can use it in my tree. Any suggestions
I have several episodes that use Excel for genealogy. In fact I'm shooting one tomorrow. Keep watching. There are several places you can learn Excel. TH-cam, Udemy, SkillShare all come to mind. I think Microsoft has tutorials too. Using it for Genealogy is easy because you don't have to use formulas. Watch this video #1 Way to Break Down Brick Walls th-cam.com/video/wnI8Np_J4WE/w-d-xo.html It shows you several tips on using Excel.
Thanks for Supporting the channel Peggy!
And if he had moved a few times during those censuses, still working as a machinist - How to you include multiple locations??
How do I include multiple locations in what? If you are asking how I would be confident it is he same person across multiple locations, use other data, like are the family members the same, birth info etc. Compare all data.
My ancestors were farmers and coal miners.
Farmer, farmer, farmer, blacksmith, farmer, farmer...
LOL. Bet you could find them on agricultural schedules then from the US census.
Hmm...undertaker, laundry, porter, bartender, seamstress,,nursing. Domestic cleaning, farmers and laborers. Oh yeah, fruit cart seller.
Love it!! Thanks for sharing.