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- Welcome to my series of tips for XCOM 2. Today we'll talk about how to kill Archons, what their abilities and strengths are, their weaknesses, and how battlefield tactics for handling them more easily.
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XCOM 2: The Story So far - Earth has changed. Twenty years have passed since world leaders offered an unconditional surrender to alien forces. XCOM, the planet's last line of defense, was left decimated and scattered. Now, in XCOM 2, the aliens rule Earth, building shining cities that promise a brilliant future for humanity on the surface, while concealing a sinister agenda and eliminating all who dissent from their new order.
Only those who live at the edges of the world have a margin of freedom. Here, a force gathers once again to stand up for humanity. Always on the run, and facing impossible odds, the remnant XCOM forces must find a way to ignite a global resistance, and eliminate the alien threat once and for all.
Key Features:
• XCOM ON THE RUN: Take command of the Avenger, an alien supply craft converted to XCOM's mobile headquarters. New open-ended gameplay lets you decide where to guide your strike team, how to grow popular support, and when to combat enemy counter-operations.
• RECRUIT RESISTANCE FIGHTERS: Five soldier classes, each with its own skill tree, let you create specific soldiers for your tactical plan.
• TACTICAL GUERRILLA COMBAT: New gameplay systems offer more tactical flexibility in combat. Use concealment to ambush enemy patrols. Loot enemies for precious gear and artifacts. Rescue VIPs and save fallen comrades by carrying them to the extraction point.
• A NEW BREED OF ENEMY: A diverse cast of enemies from powerful new alien species to the ADVENT, enforcers of the alien regime, offer a distinct tactical challenge.
• RESEARCH, DEVELOP AND UPGRADE: Configure and build rooms on the Avenger to give XCOM new capabilities on the battlefield. Use your Scientists and Engineers to research, develop and upgrade weapons and armor to fit your preferred tactics.
• EACH MISSION IS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE: Go on missions around the world, from wildlands to the heart of the alien-controlled megacities, to the depths of alien installations. There are virtually infinite combinations of maps, missions and goals.
• CREATE CUSTOM MODS: Community-focused tools allow you to create your own campaign, tactical gameplay, aliens, classes, strategy game features, and share within the Steam Workshop.
• ENGAGE IN HEAD-TO-HEAD MULTIPLAYER: Mix-and-match squads of humans and aliens and battle head-to-head on randomly-generated maps.
According to Firaxis Statistics, Rangers have the most kills of any class. They are followed closely by sharpshooters while specialists were dead last. - เกม
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Also, Archon's Psi defence is so low even 1 level psi operator can mind control them or panic them. So be aware of that.
Actually they have 100 will, unless you're playing on rookie
I have a mod that chanegs most of the text to some random shit, "critical" is now the navy seals copypasta for instance.
Well, it renames Blazing Pinions to "Don't mind me, just wasting my turn"
Ayy Imao 2?
Just a little side note: If you have a a soldier with a frost bomb and you encounter a group of archons you can use the frost bomb to get rid of the defense bonus. Meaning they are easier to hit.
Came to find a guide on how to kill these guys after my Ranger missed three Bladestorm attacks and two 95% point-blank shotgun blasts against a single Archon.
It's very hard to avoid casualties when the almighty RNGesus frowns upon your efforts to such an extreme level. I hope the guide helps, though, and you'll almost certainly have better luck next time.
Archons have been my arch nemesis up until later in the mid game. I would rather have had a Berserker on a mission than an Archon.
Those dodging and shot evading flying gold cans.
Pro tip for Archon: Have everyone fire on him and pray your shots hit. Panic and ignore all percentages. Rinse and repeat.
Cheers tap. Always find your content helpful. Hope your looking forward to Midnight Suns.
I find it funny that when you damage them, they're like "How dare you!". Very dramatic.
Very helpful, but why do you say roof so differently?
Sometimes when Archon see one of your soldier charge close, he will go panic and attack his own teammate.
That should only happen if you're wearing the Archon armor from the Alien Hunters DLC.
archons using blazing pinions?
RUN BITCH RUN!
- from personal experience
Hmoody-TH Not if that stupid Archon is a Ruler so you only have one soldier to save 😡
UndeadAlcane oh yeah
I don't care what the statistics say, in my experience, Archons are deadly accurate with their little rifle and have an absurdly high chance of disorienting or stunning with a melee attack. Wasting a turn with blazing pinions or not, they are among my highest priority targets when they appear in my games.
If I've learned anything from Beagal Rush its 2 Grenadiers with Proxy Mines with one of them with Volatile Mix vs Archons + instant Archon mush
"Don't let it destroy the ruuf underneath you."
Sorry if you find this offensive.
Ruuufff
Came to the comments just to see a ruuf comment
Reminds me of a video I once watched ma Im on the ruuf 🤣
*Spoiler alert* maybe?
Or if you are later in the game and have the psi lab just Mind Control (100%) and then blazing pinions the other aliens. The thing that sucks most about blazing pinions is everybody has to move out of position.
Great videos, thanks for the tips!
Well you were right. I beleive this playthru is going TO BE THE ONE!! haha. But i just got to these archons and figured i would come here to see what u had to say about them.
UpDate Tapcat. I just played the mission with a few archons.... the bastards blew up the thing i needed to recover with their LightShow >.< lol. Thank god for saves
I didn't think about that when I was recording the video, but arguably the most dangerous aspect of Blazing Pinions is that it could explode an item you're trying to recover and there's no way to stop it once they've activated the power. The good news is that this should be a truly rare occurrence.
Hi thx for the info u made me fight Archon King again to try those tips cause sadly i got lucky on execution kill and that killed the fun they should disable it on those 3 rulers
Most people are actually happy when that happens, but if you're looking for the challenge of taking the rulers on then the repeater kill is definitely anti-climactic.
well yes indeed and you right most of ppl are depending only on it :D
Very informative! To talk about "Dodge", is it true that 100% shots cant be dodged? Then thats the counter measure against archons dodging,
I've seen conflicting information on whether 100% shots can be dodged, some people have claimed that aliens dodged regardless of percentage. This might be hyperbole, or it might have been true at one time and then patched out. Since I first heard the claim, I've paid attention to my own shots and haven't seen a 100% shot get dodged. But this was late in my last campaign and I don't feel like I have enough information to say for sure one way or the other (which is why I didn't say it in the video). But getting to 100% is never a bad idea, so if that's an option then by all means go for it!
I do remember something about all extra aim stat going towards countering the opponents dodge rating, so if you had say 110% aim built up, and the opponent (archon in this case) has 25 dodge, they will have a 15% dodge rating on the shot, but i might be misinformed about this as well.
From what i remember, it was getting a CRIT that denied dodge, if you got a crit roll, then the dodge check is ignored entirely, though with the awkward way that crit is calculated, any situation in which you had more crit then hit chance (only really feasible with rangers and low level characters like rookies) your crit chance becomes your actual chance to hit, meaning dodge rolls are never calculated.
Fun fact about the crit thing though, its so much easier to stack crit then aim on rookies since level has no effect (aside from associated skills) on crit rate, only gear, so having a rookie focus on crit is a more useful way to make them actually hit stuff, since a point blank attack with a gun using a superior laser while flanking and talon rounds ensure 100% hit chance even if the rookie can still only manage a mediocre 70% hit chance, makes those silly long range attacks more useful with shotguns as well since the crit chance is likely higher then the hit chance at those ranges, especially if rapid fire is used or any effects that reduce your accuracy but not crit are active on you.
I could be remembering this all wrong though, but i did hear something to this effect from somewhere, and im almost 100% positive its for Xcom 2 since not many games also have a dodge rating as a 3rd calculation in a hit roll check.
+LiroRaeriyo To elaborate a little on the Hit/Crit chances in Xcom 2
"Fun fact about the crit thing though, its so much easier to stack crit then aim on rookies since level has no effect (aside from associated skills) on crit rate, only gear, so having a rookie focus on crit is a more useful way to make them actually hit stuff, since a point blank attack with a gun using a superior laser while flanking and talon rounds ensure 100% hit chance even if the rookie can still only manage a mediocre 70% hit chance"
I can see why you'd think that, and yes it is true that building crit chance is easier, you still need to roll the hit in order to get the crit! So Aim is still more important than the critical hit chance! The way that these work in Xcom 2 is that the Hit & Crit chance use the same dice roll! (which Imo is actually quite annoying) unlike in EU/EW when they had seperate rolls. So what this means is if you have a Critical hit chance that is higher than your aim/"to hit" chance, then as long as you land the shot it is guaranteed to Crit! Which again would emphasize your confusion with higher crit chance = better hit. If you are stacking rookies with crit chance to the point where it out performs there aim then whenever their taking flank shots hit they either always crit or miss.
Now, on the flip side to this & the reason why I find this system to be annoying at times, if you're taking a difficult shot say for example; an Advent Capatin taking a shot at a unit in full cover and with some sort of aim debuff such as "disorient." Now, an advanced Captain has 70 aim, 50 with disorient shooting through full cover makes that a 10% chance to hit. Now the base chance to crit for the Captain is 10% and considering that the Dice roll for shots & criticals in Xcom 2 is the same, if the 10% chance for the hit rolls lucky then so does the crit! That's why when Advent/Aliens land very difficult shots they almost always tend to Crit you. I kinda hate the Xcom 2 dice rolls for this reason...
To the best of my knowledge, getting 100% chance to crit does not mean you are guaranteed to hit. The game checks Aim and whether you hit and only then does the crit chance come into play. This is based both on my own experiences and reading about the research of others. If you have a source that demonstrates otherwise, though, I'd love to hear about it.
@TapCat Exactly!! the Roll for the "to-Hit" is still more important for determining whether a shot lands or not. Just that in Xcom 2 if the critical chance either matches or is higher than the aim... it's guaranteed to crit as long as the shot lands. But the dice roll can still roll the miss.
Frost gernade on my gernadier is what I use for pods of three. Freeze all three then unload attacks
good advice
I always thought the 3-pack of Archons should lead off with 3 simultaneous blazing pinions, spaced out across the field. That would be a challenge.
That could be pretty interesting. Even after dodging the initial explosion, all the cover in a fair-sized area would likely be destroyed.
that's why he is so hard to hit
I didn't know he had dodge. thanks tapcat
Defense and dodge is a nice combo if you can get it!
I've gotta look into that
Also your videos have made my latest run SO much easier. Thank you!
Thanks, I'm glad to hear it!
So I am finding that due to Ruler Reaction, Archons wipe my team.
Blazing pinions first move, but then the Archon gets to move or attack after every soldiers action rather than just after the turn which is really really annoying
what about stun lancers? I have a tough time dealing with them in large numbers (my enemy within tactics are hard to shake at times). my game tends to spawn pods of 3 of them with an alien or advanced advent unit
*multiple pods
I don't remember ever encountering a pod of 3 lancers but they sound like a good target for a flashbang. It will both limit their mobility and reduce their aim. Poison would do that so you could use a poison grenade/bomb or venom rounds (a gunslinger with venom rounds using Faceoff would be ideal). Cutting their mobility is key because they get to attack even after their 2nd move and that makes their effective attack range ridiculously large. Beyond that, you just want to kill as many of them as you can ASAP. So use explosives to destroy cover and get high % shots and don't be afraid to use up any abilities with a cool-down if they boost damage (like Deadeye). That's about all I can think of off the top of my head, hope it helps!
TapCat I didn't even think about that. I've been powering through your videos to help me get my bearings in xcom 2 and I must say its helped alot in my 3rd play through (1st glitched out on the hologlobe and my second is turning into a slaughterhouse for my troops due to my ineptitude). sometimes it's really easy to overlook how useful flashbang can be. When I build the proving ground I'll definitely look into experimental ammo and grenades. thanks!
FWIW, most people get their butts kicked in early play-throughs, it's just a learning process we have to go through. I'm happy to help with tips whenever I can to try and make that process slightly less painful, good luck sticking it to the lancers!
BTW, I didn't notice it before but I just noticed your screen name and it's great! I'll never forget those old commercials where the guy with the New England accent would say that line.
im in december of my ironman legend playthrough - literally not even once have the archons used blazing pinyons. Not once. Guess im a bit unlucky there haha
1:03 whats that speed impediment called
Did they change the AI or something since this vid? because every archon I see never uses blazing pinions until it's done everything else, even if it's in a pod with other things like mutons or vipers. These bastards go out of their way to smack my soldiers even if they have to get into horrible positions to do it.
No, in my latest campaign, a lone archon still reliably uses blazing pinions and if there's a pod one of them will do it. This only works if you don't attack them, though. Once you hit them, they are guaranteed to come after you with a ranged or melee attack for at least one turn.
But its same for me, they always shoot me in the face in the first turn
You've studied these enemies in some detail.
When you find a pod of 3 archons
I feel like Archons are the least impressive late-game enemies. Not just Blazing Pinions is basically a waste of their turn, but their attacks aren't that strong either. It's just damage and not that much of it. Andromedons are more durable, Berserkers can stun, Codexes are more annoying, Cryssalids are more punishing for mistakes... Archons are just frying meatbags with a fancy design.
Archon King is a besst though
Can’t help but wonder why he hasn’t made a guide for the Archon King…
I intended to originally but when I made the guide for the berserker queen, a lot of it felt like a rehash of the viper king guide. The idea of doing it a third time wasn't particularly exciting, although I've always regretted it since then. While there's obvious carryover amongst the rulers, there are also real differences and it's probably been the most requested guide in the years since.
Funny thing is I feared one of these guys to kill his own guy so yea they can be feared which I did not know.
(I know this is three years old but) if you ha e the Archon King suit, it becomes common as soon as you use jump jets, which is justnhiliarious to me
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 what do you mean?
@@Disapointed_Luigi with Archons, if you killed the Archon King and make the suit from him, when you use the jump jets, Archons have a good chance of becoming feared.
I loved brainwashing them to my team. And I even won the last battle with like a 15% chance to hit with a Archon!
Any tips for killing the archon king ?
He's a mean SOB. Dragon Rounds are excellent against all of the rulers because it will do damage every time he gets to "react." That will ensure you can get a timely heal if you need one. He deals a ton of damage so someone could easily die if you can't heal them. Because of that, I'd recommend saving your specialist for timely heals and only fire at the end of each turn, if possible. The frost bomb is garbage against him, so don't bother with it. Aside from that, stay off the rooftops and deal as much damage as possible to drive him away. One of these days, I may do a video about him but I'm not sure I have enough good ideas to make it worth while.
TapCatVids Then maybe do a general strategy for the rulers as a group than a individual basis.
At some point, I probably will do some kind of tips for the rulers just because they are such a pain to deal.
Pile on the DOTs on him. It helps break his Super Piledriver on your poor trooper who got plucked into the air.
One more thing, he seems to have a "shadowstep". He did not trigger any of my overwatch when he flew past my entire team!
My first kind of successful Commander Ironman was ended by a Archon. He was very high up and I didn't realize battle frenzy makes him attack indefinitely. So from the top of this building, he's just sniping down my best guys, I've got a guy carrying a dead troop, and a sniper that is actually level with the archon on another building. Needless to say it went terribly and it ended my Ironman. Almost got powered armor too.
Very sorry to hear that, to play ironman is to know the pain of a mission that goes horribly wrong and undoes so many hours of good work. Archons are no joke once they go into battle frenzy and it's cruel how often their ability to fly gives them easy flanking opportunities.
Just be adaptive, if he starts sniping, always head for high cover, hunker down if wounded, take overwatch or shots if you can hit him (preferably 65% or higher), get a ranger in close to draw fire and use a shotgun to give him a good slap. Don't carry anything unless you can evac on the next 2 turns, again using high cover, and free up your soldiers activities to take out the largest tactical threat.
I set up an ambush, and than as my ambush was happening he showed up outta no where and one of my guys shot him (they were all on overwatch), Than my turn ended and he rushed towards my medic which lead to my whole squad getting killed (I’m bad at the game)
Sorry to hear that! One thing about XCOM is that if you lose someone at the start of a tough fight, it can snowball into a very ugly situation very quickly.
Yea, I’ve now restarted and I’ve watched a bunch of your videos and I’ve now done like 20-30 missions (on the 3rd hardest difficulty think it’s called commander or something) and I haven’t lost a single soldier with the worst being my troops getting mocked out for like 32 days but I’m fine with that because I always have like 5 back ups
6-9 damge up close.(nice)
If a archon is adjascent to your soldier and you crouch say to remove burn damage the Archon's jets will roast you.
Interesting, I've never had that happen to me.
The ruff
Cap'n Obvious 😂😂
Mootons.
Cybernetic cow
Which mod is it that shows numerical HP?
It's called "Show Health Values" and I highly recommend it.
@@TapCat eheey!! Thank you! Can't believe you reply to a 4 year old video :D :D
@@roaldthamesen533 Lol, happy to help! I try to keep a pretty close eye on my comment feed and reply to questions whether the video is new or old.
@@TapCat eh dude. XCOM 2 is having an issue to boot atm. The discussion thread is super clogged. Maybe you wanna have a look at it.
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Multiplayer archons.... RIP
I didn't know about his powers. I just keep killing him so quickly.
Destroy the WHAT? Man how the actual fuck did you pronounce roof? What the hell? Never heard it like that ever before. Did you use drugs or something?
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS pal!
Doesn’t apply to boss
Theres a mod called A better AI, which basically nullifies a lot of your tips lol.. For example, Sectoid now no longer favors psi attack or zombie raising.. if he can hit your dudes, he will use his plasma weapon first.
KiNA Suki The guide is for vanilla
Given that I'm primarily aiming these videos at an audience struggling to come to grips with the game at a fundamental level, I'm not too worried about those who choose to use mods to significantly change how the game plays. If someone is confident enough to downloads a mod like that, I don't think they need my advice.