Brake and Throttle - Jardier's Racing School for Not Very Fast Drivers Ep.2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2018
- I know it took a long time but lot in life changed, no job no money now, sorry for long waiting! :)
Here is episode 2 of my Racing School!
Hope some tips will be useful I know its very hard to explain braking and throttle technique thats why I placed so many examples in the video.
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0:35 LLLLOOOOOOLLLLLL😂😂😂😂😂
:D was it funny? :D
@@Jardier yeeeeeessss😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO! Instant like right after that. 🤣🤣🤣
kurwa mać XD
@@Alessietto_03 @Jardier That was some world class Adobe Premier magic(or whatever you're using)
Thanks Jardier, just been practicing for the last few hours. I took nearly 1 second off all my best times 👍👍👍👍
I’m just a beginner in Sim Racing but I do know that 1 second in competitive racing is like a century.
You just 100% validated a technique I was told by multiple instructors was wrong: Using both pedals at the same time in certain situations to help stabilize the car. Stoked I subscribed and found your channel, thanks so much for all the great tips! 👊🏻
Wonderful information. That was the best description of how to properly coordinate braking and throttle inputs in a turn I have yet seen. Great video!
Great video Jardier Keep 'em coming :D
Yeah Throttle/Break control is all about not upsetting the car to much (G-force momentum) in any direction, modulating with pedals is a great way and same technique used in real cars.
That help keep the car stable going in to corners as in to much break push nose down and back end up and you get a lose back end that will easy end in a spin if turn in to a corner like that.
Using a bit throttle touch lift nose up again keep car car stable and flat, so all 4 wheels get a better grip then it's less likely to get at spin and you get higher speed through the corner... etc....etc.. etc. As you say this take a lot of practice to master but once you start get the hang of it there will be lap time changes and more consistent laps :D
In real life a coach told me to not use the two pedals together to stabilize the car but I always had that doubt in my mind...after long time I am losing some bad practices and improving a lot my lap times in sim racing games. I'm still hunting "that second" to become a pro driver! I will follow your tip thx mate!!! 😂
note: foot fingers are toes lol
Perfect video as I am a not very fast driver and I have been curious about the feathering/bouncing of the throttle I see you doing.
I’ll have to really try to incorporate this into my driving but it looks like something that is more intuitive and comes with practice rather than something that will immediately make me faster.
Awesome video, please continue the series!
Pure gold from a master racer! Cheers.
As a not so fast driver i say this helped me allready a lot, at least in theorie !
Super interesting watch. I think the word that would have helped you is "feathering" the brake/throttle. I started on Dirt Rally 2.0, and feathered them all the time - but I never thought it would help on a track. Transitioning from Dirt to ACC and trying to improve my lap times!
i am usually racing in slippers and i'm using race line just to to know when to brake
definitely the best explained tutorial. i was really struggling with turning in l corners and hair pins
Super-helpful, and funny too. Thanks Jardier!
this is the very best video editing from jadier.
Ahahah very nice, instructional and funny video. Love the end 😂
RaceRoom, a WTCR car (Honda or Hyundai not sure) and Hungaroring is my guess. Great video mate, hard topic but great explenation
after 2 years TH-cam showed me this video to gain secret knowledge of fast driver :>
Thanks, Jardier, for tips!
Man, I love your videos. I've been on real track already but I'm fairly new to Sim Racing, your tips are helping me for both!
🤩🤩thank you
You should do more of these Jardier. They are really helpful
Thanks for this. I remember watching telecast of Australian V8 Supercars where they were saying drivers using both feet were hurting fuel efficiency and brake life... so i thought it was a no no. But I'll try this a bit more 👍
Thank you very much dude!
Great Video and also a great channel! Do it again.
Greetings from Germany.
Hey Jardier, great sum up of important techniques, especially the BRAKE + THROTTLE one that actually allows you to balance the car with extreme precision when done correctly (pretty hard to masterise but anybody can learn it) and that also allow you to put more brake bias on the rear, since you are able to avoid oversteer with the throttle.
But the most important part is still missing and if I may send some advice, you must make a video about cues of what is happening when you drive. I see a lot of comments about FFB and the missing G Forces but the only really important cue that you need to drive a car, in RL or simulation, is your sight and the comprehension of what you see. It requires correct FOV (VERY IMPORTANT) and some training but, and you can try it, you can drive almost as well without FFB nor sound. Those cues are misleading too often to trust them, the only real universal cue you need is your sight and the understanding of what you are seeing.
Don't get me wrong, of course FFB and sound are helping BUT they are not what should direct your decisions, only your sight should.
Those brake and throttle techniques are very hard to use perfectly but everybody, even those who think they suck at driving can master them...but for this your have to learn to use your sight, really.
Of course in sim racing game 70% is sight and 30% is ffb in the car feeling and staying on road thats true. In real car you have much much much better feeling and of course perception :)
Thnx for sharing this video, very informative :-)
great video Jardier looking forward to the next community race! can the next video be about turning points? I take way to many attempts to turn in properly
I will have to try blipping the throttle to stabilise the car. I already do this sometimes when the car is losing control, but not when the car is under control. Might save me some moments.
I think being sensitive is the key. Some people just bash their pedals around and wonder why they are facing backwards more than forward. I use load cell brake pedal with just socks. Works fine most of the time, but tracks like suzuka, I was being so gentle on the brake that I ended up using just my big toe through the esses. I had a very sore toe afterwards haha.
I really don't want to wear shoes, I'd love to wear some race boots, but they are a bit expensive for me to try out. Especially if I don't like it.
Great video Jardier. loved the opening ;) chin up on work, something will come along.
thx! :)
What's made me faster was recognizing you can carry more speed into turns than you think by braking properly, I always brake too early then when apexing you're off the gas until you can go full gas or 75% and quickly to 100% still learning how to do this but it's the most important for me. Like you've said using the brake and throttle to steer
Thank you. I will practice this for sure.
Well explained!!! NICE AND GENTLE!
This was great!! Thanks
Great foot video 🤣🤣🤣👏👏
You’re a legend
Haha, great Intro, you men really put some effort into this youtube business. Congrats to you
Good vid as usual. I have no idea what track or car lol. But it's defo raceroom.
911 GT3 Raceroom? I used to play it and notice those little stone sounds. No clue about the track. Good tips bro... Something I need to practice.
Good tip, I'll try anything to gain time!
We love you Jardier
love that intro haha
I can have my car setups more aggressive now, then just balance the rear going into the corners 😉
Interesting tip.. blip the throttle on down shifts. Thanks. I’ll give that a try
in short words, do trail braking, be sensitive on throttle, to prevent weight shifting backwards in corner. About braking and throttling same time, usually brake has higher priority as a safty feature in the real world.
Oddly your method of using brake and throttle for car control was what I did with a controller when playing FM7 lol
Awesome,i am beginer,i have my friend that try to explain me exactly your way to drive.
How did you get that trackside desk?!?! So cool! I would love to have that for my league commentary/broadcast. Showed this vid to my niece and it has helped her immensely.
Love the green screen affect🙌🙌 thanks for the driving tips .. hope ur job situation is looking better👍 also what’s ur quickest time Nurburgring gp gtr3 cars on project cars 2 just so I can see how I’m doing.. I have no technical knowledge 🙈🙈 and getting fed up with just online races.. I have no idea what I’m doing👍👍 love ur work as always 🙌🙌❤️
Mark Hogan hey mate thank you!:) I dont have any time on Nurb gp with Gt3 so far! Need to do some laps :D
Hey Jarda,
This video is awesome. Just wanna ask if I get it well. When you gearing down you simultaneously push the throttle to stabilize your car? I tried it and I have no idea if I do it right.
Great video.
One thing i noticed, the pedal-cam really adds a lot to the enjoyment.
Would be great if you included it in your normal streams and videos.
I would like to but it was really hard to make it work and such and I have only two cameras :D
Sorry to hear about your life problems, hope things get better.
Great video. Lots of examples which was very welcome! Started basic and then got very advanced quite quick but great tips. Project Cars 2, Corvette, Nurburgring GP??
Definitely not Project Cars 2 sounds. Neither V8.
And tap your head while rubbing your belly at the same time.😁
Nice skills!
I sim race using right foot for brake and accelerator. This is because my pedals are screwed into a panel of wood which moves when I apply the brakes so... At braking time my right foot presses the brake pedal and the left foot presses down on the wood panel to stop it moving.
Hello Jardier, let me first say that i like wathing your video's. And i wanted to ask when the new video for Jadier's school of driving is coming. Greetz Roeland. From the Netherlands
Roeland Polkerman hey mate im really sorry i was focusing on other stuff so I cant promise exact date but I hope in next few weeks or sooner ;)
Hello! You still know me haha. I’ve been gone alot, school is horrible, I only sleep about 6-7 hours every day, it’s getting better but I rather race a bit than watch TH-cam. I want to be back so you should see me more often! Love the videos as always! Keep up man!
hey man survive your school! :D
Great info Jardier 👊👍 you will be in a AMG
nice tips jardier! do you use the conical mod for the t3pa pros?
nope only basic :D
Just stumbled across this good video. I am having real problems getting the car slowed down. Watching others in the race they are able to brake later and be under more control than I am. I am using the loadcell version of the G920. For example, round Zolder I am a full 3 seconds off the pace in ACC on Xbox. When I drove this track in PC2 I was right on the pace of the other drivers. Any idea what I am doing wrong?
I jst got my Wheel yesterday. I played ACC before wth Controller and was not too bad. Now i wanna ask wich track u recommand practice to build up the musscle memory for the wheel and padels in a evective way
l love this guy 👍
I know this is an old video. But I'm just starting out in ACC so I'm running my first oo line championship in the GT4 cars and because I love them and I'm an idiot I picked the Porsche (love them). I should have picked the Beemer or the Alpine as they seem easier to drive but I didn't. My problem is mid corner and off. I'm getting push from the car and then the front tires grab and I'm into snap oversteer and bad things happen. Any tips on what I need to do to correct this?
good idea for a video but adding the throttle and brake inputs would help
Holy cow those are big brake pedals
Am I right in presuming you don't use the rubber conical brake mod?
You use full pedal travel?
If so, is it personal preference or do you feel it gives an advantage, as in more space to modulate.?
Great video!
Jardiers tricks of the trade.
I dont have any brake update so basic T3PA Pro pedals :) So probably yes all way around :) Maybe you have more sensitive feeeling that way I dont know never used any Mod for pedals before :o
That sounded like the Nissan gtr and it was at a track with longer fast corners?
Ik this vid came out 2 yrs ago but it was the Nurburgring
My gas padel is pretty easy to press. How to controll the gas pedal better? I got normal t3pa
I got a request here for future guides:
The big orange curbs, in germanmany call them "Schildkröten" (turtles).
Especially i think on first corner Hockenheimring, first chicane Monza and the chicane in Hungaroring where you hit them very hard.
-when to use them, when to avoid them
-how to deal with them
-how to approach them
-what setting helps? (I always raise the car and softer the springs/stabi on the front on Monza.) Are curbs even a big deal in setup decisions?
I really struggle with them. When i see streams of Ortner or you, you hit them orange curbs so hard. This wreck me so often, its about a 20% chance to get wrecked every time.
Avoid the first one in Hockenheim :D Some other are possible to drive over (second chicane Monza in RaceRoom, Hungaroring) but you need to hit them middle exactly and also have higher car
Did some investigating in your vids. It seems all the races where you ride them curbs such hard are WTC and GT3 races while you avoid them mostly with DTM, F1 and some others. WTC are nearly Ralleycross and GT3 are tanks, that makes sense for me.
Dont got any clue about the car in the end nur the track could be the Nordschleife but i really dont know
Left foot brake in a real car, and for the first time do it when you have plenty of traffic behind you 😉
Loads of fun.
Raceroom, Audi R8 LMS GT3 , Slovakia Ring
My guess would be the Nissan GT3 car in Raceroom on Lausitz :)
;)
Is the track Suzuka? Don't know the car. Sounds BMWish
Hi JARDIER, do you think personally a highend pedal would make you faster, like Heusinkveld stuff?
I used pedals in Motorsport simulator cockpit which were like 3000€ expensive and I still felt the same speed. Probably it will give you more close to the real feeling (as normal pedals might be too soft than real car you know), sopersonaly dont think it will make you like 0,5sec faster or something :) Definitely the feeling will be better
Stabbing the throttle while braking is something I wish to understand and master, but from the data I gathered, and on the games I play (I know it works on PC2 but I'm talking iRacing or Assetto), it's useless to master such a technique. And I even noticed the TC - at least on iRacing GTE cars - kicks to tryna help to keep the rear from spinning in heavy braking, which is pretty cool.
I would try to make the heaviest braking I can with the Porsche GTE on a straight and using 46.9 brake bias with some throttle input to keep the rear from spinning. It would be actually quicker (at what cost ?) but in my opinion not worth trying to master, since the 47% bias wouldn't help most of the time. Here is a pic of my testing, it's just markers on Premiere Pro. First sets of dots are 40km/h (so you see I'm not gaining much) and second sets are full stop (which actually help).
imgur.com/a/J5YxPoa
I really think you should not smash the brake that hard, 1) it's useless, you won't brake harder and 2) you will most definately unbalance the car too often to be resilient technique.
You of course have to brake fast but not kick the brake, it should take like .2 to 0.4 seconds to brake at your aimed maximum force for the corner, useless and dangerous to brake harder.
@@jean-marctrappier4436 That could be true for some older cars with so-so aero but if you look at pros, or Jardier, the brake input is always decreasing, starting with a very strong input. Can be explained by simple weight transfer rules and aerodynamic, as with more speed you have more weight on the tires, and you can brake heavily as the car still pushes your car down. I'd even say, not brake fully is a waste of grip. "Threshold braking"
@@HipsterNgariman this is not what I meant, I just said the brake application shouldn't be smashing but squeezing, still strong and pretty quick but not instant. In the Video Jardier is braking too quickly, doing so in some cars and some sims will cause unbalance because your front tires can't handle this kind of force, it will put tires beyond their grip capacity because the applied force is too much. If it is more progressive, you won't lock anything and will still brake as strong, even better.
@@jean-marctrappier4436 I do not believe he's braking too strongly. Otherwise he wouldn't be one of the fastest racer out there. Like, top 1 Project Cars and top 20 Mclaren Fastest Driver. If you brake better than him I strongly suggest you try competing with Jardier. But if I trust your iRacing profile, and yes it's very unfair to judge this way, you might need a few practice races more ;)
Nice outro music jardier
Question a year after video release so unlikely reply but regardless. I have knee issues so heel and toe is not possible for me and heavy clutch use us a no go on other knee so I need to drive in automatic. How can I mitigate the issues of being in an automatic transmission and lack of throttle/brake techniques?
Hey mate depends on what game you play, because most of the games at least allows you to use auto blip and in modern gt3 cars you dont have to worry too much :)
@@Jardier oh ok that's a relief, thanks for helping me out!
I do brake right foot ! 😱
Dont worry Romain I can teach you!!! :D
Watching this now and i am sitting on the same chair and was like wtf?!
Porsche 911 GT3, RaceRoom, Hockenheim Ring
Just to clarify something: there's nothing wrong in braking with the right foot for GT cars.
Some cars have a brake pedal weight of (up to) 100 Kg. That's a lot of force to have on the left leg.
Obviously it's easy on your pedals, Jardier, because it seems they have a constant but very weak spring :P You'd not be able to press the pedals on a real race car just with your toes. You'd have to hit it extremely hard at first, almost kicking yourself out of the seat.
Obviously it depends on the car. But watch Nicki Thiim's videos and you'll see how brake is all about pressure (because they're hydraulic) while your brake seems to be all about travel distance (because the springs are weak).
So because of this it's completely OK to brake with your right foot as some real races also do this.
th-cam.com/video/F3c640KiB4c/w-d-xo.html
Toquinha I think jardier knows that, he was a real racing driver himself...he was talking mainly about simracing, where I'd say it's a must to use left foot braking
It's not necessary, either in sim racing or real life. Surely it helps some people, but it's far from a necessity.
If the car gets too unsettled under heavy braking than there are two ways things can go: either the racer re-thinks his racing style and car setup - or he exercises his leg, if that's something he can do.
But if for some reason he can't, like if he has a club foot or weak left leg after an accident or for whatever reason, there's not a necessity to brake with the left foot, not even in cars that don't have ABS like the Porsche 911 bellow.
And in Sim racing there are many sets of physics to adapt to. Project Cars 2 is one game where the cars get too unsettled under braking in a way that's not realistic IMO. While in rFactor 2 I can drive exactly like the car bellow and not have an problems.
th-cam.com/video/cQslMgaE9qc/w-d-xo.html
Toquinha its of course true what you say only difference I dont understand is why is there difference between 100kg force on left or right leg? Proffesional drivers are in the gym a lot and has special trainings so left foot is nornal way to go. My friend races lmp3 and before lmp2 and brake pedal is super strong but also superb short so its easy to use left foot. In gt3 you have ABs so its even easier, even with dtm where is no abs. Also you sit in complete different position than you sit in road car. You can use your both legs the same in the end. Difference in simracing is if yo want to be fastest you need to use both pedals as quick as possible which is way different than in real race car wher everything is different due to forces and speed and you dont need to react tht much as in simracing :)
th-cam.com/video/cOjpHRwgG_k/w-d-xo.html
Some people have weak calf muscle on the left leg, some people have a left club foot, some people have had accidents which damaged some muscles on the left leg.
All I'm saying is that *it's not necessary* :P Could it help? Yes, of course! But it's not really necessary, the many onboards I'm linking are proof of that.
I bought the Endurance Pack like a month ago, but only drove the LMP2 car a few days ago. After a few laps with the LMP2 car, for the first time on Sebring and driving that car (and your setup from the livestream, Jardier) I think I was only 0.5s from your lap times, and I'm not a driver to keep feathering brakes and throttle :P
Racing is FLUID, it's not static. While it *may* help you be one of the fastest drivers it's not a rule even in sim racing. There's tons of ways of attacking corners, being aggressive or not mid corner, braking, etc, and certainly if a driver like me doesn't want to intercalate between throttle and brake there are ways of achieving the same lap times as someone who does it - just as this GT3 driver who I think got pole in the video bellow and drives like me when it comes to braking and off of apexes
th-cam.com/video/B-4--16sCIg/w-d-xo.html
That's all I'm saying, is that it's not necessary ;-) But there's nothing wrong in doing it. Each driver has his/her own unique style.
@@asj511 Sup dude, I've seen a Tommy Milner video where he explains he uses right foot braking because for him it's easier on the tires and on fuel, so as an enduro racer, it's better for him. I believe Nicki (who has raced against him a few times IRL) would probably say "hahahahaha idgaf" as I also think you can absolutely have the exact same inputs using your left foot. Why not ?
On the other hand, the question would have a meaning for dog boxes H pattern cars like NASCARs, some drivers use heel & toe on road courses and they're far more easy on the tires than the one blipping with right foot and left foot brake, making the rear wheels spin a bit at each downshift. My two cents
Well, I only could recognise Bus Simulator Ultimate soundtrack at the end of the video, lol
Can you please make a dedicated video for Assetto Corsa Competizione about this? xD
Gotta be silverstone!! Just found this vid 4 yrs late and dont see answer in comments im bummed😂
Since this video is about what your feet are doing, and since they're hard to see in the (tiny) picture-in-picture, you really should have enabled the onscreen pedals graphic.
I dont want to brake with my left foot in simrace for only ONE reason... I think after a while i start doing it in my real car without thinking... with is not ideal xD...tried it once, i smacked the dashboard if not for the seatbellt haha..
Rfactor2? Aston Martin?
Steering a race car is 50% steering wheel, 25% throttle and 25% brake.
Yeah I try doing this using left foot braking, but while I don't believe in making excuses, I find it annoying trying to do this with my G920 Logetic pedals, my left foot keeps clipping and getting caught on the clutch pedal. When I build my sim rig I will space the pedals more realistically. And I wish the steering wheel was bigger to, I sometimes feel like I'm playing with a toy, I raced real cars like you, so I find the logitech uncomfortable
Hm you must have some real big feet :D
Ive never encountered that problem with my g29 pedals. But the wheel could be a bit bigger ill give you that ;)
@@agenthoini lol I only wear a size 10 shoe but it keeps clipping the clutch pedal and it's a bad distraction....guess I could try bare foot lol
@@watchthisspacecarchannel6523 oh if you play with shoes then i can see your struggles :D
Just assumed youd wear socks and still have problems
@@agenthoini I think I willl just remove the clutch pedal that should help too
You can tell that Jardier doesn't have any pets
😂😂
7:40 two foot smash... you learn that from the sim to recover from impossible spins and then crash in real life?
it's also something that is used by real life racers
James Corden is sim racing now?
Aye
👍👍
dont improve pls :D
@@Jardier just keep posting these and we'll see
Its RR ans car is KTM X Bow? 😂
Is it more important to stabilize the rear in a front drive car or does it apply to gt3 as well ?
Youre driving me crazy. Obviously its r3e, id guess a wtcr car. But if the clip starts at the beginning of the lap i have absolutely no idea what track thats supposed to be. Nothing seems to fit. Maybe one of the swedish tracks cuz they are the only ones i dont know but really your speed seems to fast for those..
Just give me a clue or tell me the recording doesnt start at the beginning of the lap :D
:D haha recording starts exactly on start finish line :P
@@Jardier im officially giving up then :D
Are you going to give us the solution in the next video or so or will it stay a secret forever? :D
Next video will have the answer :D Or if you cant wait you can join discord and I will pm you there :D
@@Jardier never got what that whole discord thing is about so ill just wait til the next video :D
xD
Now it's been a year and a half, are you able to tell us the car, track, and game?
I want to say it's an AMG? and you're playing AC? And no idea about track.
@Jadier I know this comment is super late but we have the same chair.
Ikea!
@@Jardier Cheers bro! GJ during the 12hr
I have one leg. Race me?
My dad chewed me out for left foot braking an audi quattro to rotate it into corners and told me that would never work in real life :(
Rally drivers uses all the pedals all the time and specially left foot braking - show him some rally onboard th-cam.com/video/wqREtbLe4sY/w-d-xo.html :)
Sending that video to him immediately! Great one :D Love your helpful videos btw, giving me more perspectives on how to work on my technique
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