I kinda did like arc 3, but I do agree with the fact that Wasp was somewhat written off. Cottonmouth was a bit of an: “oh this guy exists now?” I agree, they should have hinted at it, maybe in the poison jungle, or perhaps in Cricket’s book I also would have liked to see Lizard/Freedom more. They should’ve also hinted at her WAY more
Truth is, I actually really enjoyed Arc 3 the most due to it doing so many things right (with the exception of Book 15), like Tui had fully learned from her mistakes of its predecessors. The brand new settings is a breath of fresh air, all the protagonists are fantastic and preserve their character development, none of the antagonists overstay their welcome, every new romance is genuine, the plot is executed phenomenally, the story keeps a very steady pace throughout without getting too slow or too fast, there’s a perfect balance of dark and goofy moments, and there isn’t an overpowered magic system that piles up plot holes. I have a strongly negative view towards Book 15, but it doesn’t change how phenomenal Books 11-14 are in my eyes.
book 14 was probably my favourite. Although being a filler which making the book kind of useless for the problem in the whole arc, it was interesting and it introduced the story of jerboa, snowfall also developed more sympathy which would have a good effect on the tribe later. They do still have the problems of the other mind but at least they got to figure a way to stop it. overall, great book even though its a filler.
I agree, the third arc, though not my favourite, was pretty good. I really liked book 13 and I absolutely love freedom. I have to admit book 14 was a little boring in some parts but it was still good. The new setting was cool and blicket is a good ship along with sunlow. The characters are good but I do feel that some of them have the exact same personality as some arc one characters. Sundew and Tsunami are pretty similar and so are Clay and Swordtail.
I loved the third arc, it was my favorite, but I also really liked book 15, I just hated the fact that it made scavengers important, I think cottonmouth was fine because of the scorching, but I wish they'd taken a different skywing
It's sad because, in my opinion, the actual style and writing is perfect. I think in books 14 and 15 it's the best it's ever been in Wings of Fire - I think Tui's really good at dialogue especially, and I'm always having such a great time reading whenever my favourite characters are "onscreen". However the plot and story is really muddled and has tons and tons of problems, which I think you addressed beautifully in this video!
I can see what you mean, and I kinda agree, but I do really like book 15, as it adds to the history, we now know what the scorching is, as it's mentioned alot but we never knew what it was, and book 14 was nice to have, so the dragons are moving closer to a peaceful day and age, with a new continent, it was nice to have a breather, and she mightve genuinely not known where she wanted to take the ending from 13, so she wrote 14 instead
Should’ve stopped writing arcs after book 10. Pls write winglets and legends. That’s all I gotta say for Tui 🤣 She’s an amazing writer and the first two arcs were absolutely incredible, but I do agree that arc 3 was a bit of a letdown which sadly had a lot of potential. It is understandable to have creative burnout and a want for something brand new. I hope Tui makes more books in the future about Wings of Fire answering our questions and mysteries about the first 2 arcs! Have a good day Cyprus! ❤
I liked Arc Three more than many other people do, mainly because of the ending and the connection between the continents and the humans. But I can see what your saying, and if Tui had executed it better, I think it could have been as good as the rest of the series.
I completely agree with your point about book 14. I feel like it should’ve been a legends book that kind of fit along with the plot like legends darkstalker
Ok so this might just be me, but I liked all the twist and turns and how fast it was moving. It kept me hooked on the book. They did seem a little confusing at first, but I think the way it all connects to each other was good. Of course this is only my opinion and I’m not very good at telling if writing is good or not😅 I just like the story’s❤
I agree that the 3rd arc was meh, but the thing I really found interesting was how the story felt like it was based on the story of Chief Sequoia, a Native American chief who was kicked out of his land and forced to “protected land” by the Colonizers. In the sense of comparing the two stories, the Leafwings are the Native Americans, the Hivewings are the colonizers and the Silkwings are very vaguely Africans. The main reason I was so unhappy with the 3rd arc is that she had it based off this story, and then just blew it up with the hivemind and cottonmouth. Now technically you could say the ending represents where we are now, with all the tribes being equal, but the way she got there made me unhappy. It was like, oh yeah these random dragons are gonna go make everything okay, hooray, but it just differs so much from the story she based it on, like if your gonna make it based on a true story, make the rest of the arc realistic-ish at least!
I honestly just feel like Tui had way more time to plan out the first two arcs but not the 3rd. I hope if she continues the series, she’ll take a huge break before to plan out everything and then write the books so they’ll have that same magical feeling the first two arcs had. Although this comment doesn’t have much details to my theory, hopefully the people who read this will understand what I mean. I also feel that killing off Freedom was the wrong decision. The poor dragonet deserved to live a life and have her own memories, and feel it was giving a bad message or not the message Tui intended to send to the readers. I would have felt a little better if somehow Luna found a way to give Freedom a life or at least give her something. Anyways, no hate to Tui, I defiantly enjoyed some parts of arc 3 but I felt it could have been so much better and have a more satisfying ending like the rest of her books. I hope her next novels (if she makes any) will be just like her previous ones before arc 3.
with "do you think tui will write anything more within wings of fire", I really hope she writes a book based on Umber and a book based on Sora. It would be pretty cool to see stories based on these two mudwings. Sora has an. . . interesting personality, and it would be interesting to see more into her character. and i'd love to see something based on Umber, he also seems interesting. I understand that Kinkajou won't get her own book, which is fine! her character's perfect. But seeing something based on Umber and Sora would be quite good to read. Maybe Tui could even write a book based on Clay's siblings in the way she wrote Darkstalker or Dragonslayer- each chapter based on a different dragon. It just seems like an interesting idea!
A whole arc that's just Clay's sibs. We could have Sora, Umber, Pheasant, Reed and Clay's mother (forgot their name) And the plot could be the sibs getting to know their mother.
@@Deer_In_Headlights Oh yeah, book 1 Reed to show what being a BigWings is like, book 2 Pheasant because why not, book 3 Sora to show how she moved on from the dragonflame ignition, book 4 Umber to show his life in Jade Mountain and book 5 Crane for the climax, a huge fight between Cattail and the sibs, including Clay.
@@guidinglight9082 oh, yeah! or even 1) Reed to show his struggles as a bigwing- then to show the sadness when he finds that he isn't the true Bigwings. 2) Pheasant and showing her life as she supported Reed. 3) Sora to show how nervous she normally is, and to show how she coped with the trauma of Crane. 4) Umber and his winglet. 5) Crane before her death.
I think even if a kinkajou book was up in the air it shouldn't be done. Like overwriting a character,(imo) you need those gaps for them to seem interesting.
I loved ark three mostly because the new continent and tribes are obviously new and exciting. Also, when the poison forest burned, though that's probably the most exciting thing that happened. I love your art!❤
If she does do an arc 4 it needs to be something new, probably with the next generation. If not, we need more winglets on Chameleon, Umber and Sora, Peril and Sky, Kestrel, Farsight, and Scarab.
I honestly LOVED some of the third arc, but... SOME of it. I wasn't too crazy about book 11 when it was released, but Cricket and Sundew's were probably in my top three favorite books for the entire series! (as well as book 10) They had such WONDERFUL character development and plot lines, with fascinating scenery and dialogue to boot. They were just FUN to read, and they're the two books that I look forward to the most whenever I reread the series. I just wish Tui would've planned a better ending!! Cottonmouth and Freedom came out of nowhere, and even though there was some suspense behind WHO the other mind was, I feel like it could've just been played out in such a more interesting way. Like, maybe by having the reveal as a character(s) who we already knew and actually cared about. When the entire ending of potentially ALL of WoF as we KNEW it was wrapped around an insignificant dragonet and a random human who we'd JUST MET... idk it just kinda ruined it for me. But yeah, it's nice to see other people agreeing and sort of bonding over their/our opinions on arc three! Thanks Cyprus :))
Oh my GOSH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! I admit, I would have been disappointed if Tui ended the series at book 10, but it was a completely satisfying ending! Arc 3 was okay, but book 15? Big disappointment. I hope she does another arc
Hello! I am a new sub and I am in LOVE with your art how do you do it 🥺 Anyway I really do like the 3rd arc, especially Freedom/Lizard, but when I think about it I do have to agree with you. It really wasn't Tui's best writing- and although I know she has done so many books and might retire soon- I would like at least one more arc. And we don't even know what tribe Freedom/Lizard is. I am dying to know but I would understand if she decides to stop. Anyway love your vids! 💖💖💖
I agree, but the most interesting thing I noticed was the fact that Tui Sutherland helped write Warrior. How did I not know this?! Thanks for this, made some things much more clear.
I did enjoy arc 3, but you do make a lot of amazing points, Cyprus! As a writer myself also, stories can remain unfinished, unused, terrible, amazing, or just… done. We gotta accept that we can’t finish everything and new things always come up. I love Tui T Sutherland too, but I will agree that I think the Wings of Fire series is done, no matter how much I want it to go on. The 15th book was amazing, but we were introduced to millions of new characters for five minutes, and then it was taken away. I still love all of them and hope they come back one day, but as side stories. Three arcs is A LOT, and it’s hard to make everything fit together into one. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it doesn’t. But I love your videos and art, Cyprus, they were beautiful and amazing. ❤
I always find it interesting and love the part about the Book of Clearsight. It’s held as a holy relic and Clearsight was revered like a goddess, only for the main characters to find out that the claim of the book choosing Wasp to rule everything was a lie, concluding that Wasp manipulated the masses under the guise of “God told me trust me,” which hits very close to home because people throughout history have tried to manipulate everyone around them by weaponizing the religious faith. I had trouble keeping track with what is there and what isn’t when Luna confronted Lizard that I definitely am gonna need a graphic novel to figure it out (which is probably gonna take a decade to get to Book 15 :’) ). Not a fan with how fast the epilogue played out because racism doesn’t end so fast that easily and yet it’s treated like “yeah there’s gonna be complaints but whatever.”
This felt like a slap in the face. I normaly agree with your comments but this time you went to far this is my favorit arc and book 14 & 15 being in my top 3 books.
I loved all of the arcs, including arc 3, and I do see your point with “hey, here’s a new character and SURPRISE SURPRISE, he’s supposed to be scary,” but being a person who isn’t a critic and barely thinks about this stuff, I still liked it :D
Arc 3 was nice (I quite like the characters and the new tribes) though yeah, they should've hinted a bit more at Cottonmouth and Freedom/Lizard. If Tui would continue WOF, and I do hope she does, I would say do a spinoff of some sort about humans (I know its got nothing to really do about the proper storyline but just keep reading). If you've read Dragonslayer (I'll try not to spoil much), at the very end it's like he's going to come after Wren. I would LOVE to see a part about that, and it would be different from the main Wings of Fire arcs because its about humans (this could work if she needed a break about dragons). A book like this could also show how dragons are stopping to eat scavengers/humans, or some rebellious dragon is still eating them or something. Just an idea, but I really would like a conclusion to Dragonslayer because the ending is a cliffhanger.
Spider dragons. I, random user on TH-cam, predict that Tui Sutherland is at least thinking about Spider Dragons. Do you know any spider named dragons? NO. Also, her favorite character is Peril! Did y’all know that?
I am kinda of disappointed by the 3rd arc. Like you said it started interesting but ended disappointing. I think that book 11 to 14 where not bad at all, but book 15 is just not that good next to book 5 and 10. Anyway I love your videos so much. Thank you ❤
Book 11 and 12 is pretty good, build up the world of Pentala and how the dragons there lived. Book 13 was kinda good with a good twist. Book 14 is a filler book of a princess having different personalities. And Book 15 feels rushed. I liked the backstory of how the Scorching started but it still, feels weird and some of the parts felt skipped or felt confused on some parts of the story. All and all, it started good until it became rushed with a few skips here and there. I'mma give it a 6/10.
I meant to say this in the comment, but I’m in the center of book 13, and I can’t read it, it just got so boring and dry… I can try to finish it but uhhh no I don’t like it
I do like your analogy but my opinion is she wanted to write more but the original characters were all tied up enough so she tried to make something brand new, but the creativeness was not there. I did enjoy book 11 and 12 though.
I totally agree with Arc 3. 1 and 2 I was engaged and ready to go, but I honestly don’t remember reading 3 or what it was even about because I couldn’t keep myself interested in it.
I totally agree with you. Book fifteen was completely confusing. It kinda ended on a cliffhanger but kinda didn't and was just wack. It like just didn't make sense. I liked book twelve but thats comepletely biased because Crickets my favorite character.
6:18 “You’ve got to know when to stop.” Very true. But try telling that to Erin Hunter! Warriors has been going on for 20 whole years, and I’m only what, the 6th arc? After arc 4, it doesn’t seem that much worth reading anymore, especially because the main character since the FIRST BOOK died. (Sorry if that’s a spoiler). Sometimes, you’ve got to know when to stop, and in this case, maybe they just should’ve stopped after arc 4, and not continued on to an arc 8 that’s still in the making. We all want more… but writers have to know when to stop. I don’t think Warriors needs 8 arcs with like, 16 Super Editions, and like 15 more novellas and 10 graphic novels. The newer characters aren’t that good, I feel like I’m reading the last book in the 6th arc just because of one character. And another thing: the problem isn’t really pointed out all that clearly. In arc 1, the villain is introduced in the first book. He plays a role the whole time, so that’s really enjoyable, right? But then a random villain just gets introduced in the last book of the arc and murders cats. That’s kind of like Cottonmouth/the Othermind. In that case, it worked, but it didn’t really work in WoF. My favorite villain in WoF is, guess what, Scarlet. The original villain. My favorite character is a dragon introduced in book five: Qibli. As you can see, the newer characters aren’t my favorite. Kink is my fav side character, and she came into the story in book 3. Writers seriously need to know when to stop. And how to actually introduce their villains and make it a bit clear on who the hell is the actual villain. Congrats if you read all that 🎉🎉.
Honestly I agree that sometimes you need to take a step back from franchises and it wouldn't be a bad idea for her to step back for a while and focus on something else and then return to Wings of Fire with his fresh ideas and a burnt out with the series. But honestly I really did enjoy it arc3 characters and I loved Book 15 and honestly it's probably one of my favorites I love it for all the reasons that people seem to hate it it wasn't super fast nor was it incredibly slow it explored different ideas in parts of the story that we had little-to-no information about and frankly I don't mind their being more negotiations and governmental politics being funded Wings of Fire that honestly makes things a bit more interesting to me. And honestly I know you say that book 10 was so great but honestly I was very disappointed with the ending of that book in complete contrast to everyone else it's ending sucked especially if you're a fan of darkstalker like me with turn him into Peacemaker you look more like a cop-out than an actual ending he should have gotten was an actual redemption arc which is what I would love to see but even if you don't want to go that Avenue the writing for that entire scene was still bought and it felt awful and totally hypocritical of the entire message up to that point of don't change dragons into something they're not but how are they going to solve the big bad problem by doing the exact thing they're telling him he's doing wrong. Honestly I didn't hate book 10 but it's ending left a very sour taste in my mouth where is Buck 15 did exact opposite it felt very inspirational and good and left an open-end for more books and more possibilities to explore more of the situation and relationships between scavengers and Dragons.
Wow, you just listed all the reason I wasn’t a big fan of the 3rd arc. For me personally, I think it started going south in 14. Like you said, villains need to be introduced over time to make them scary. If 14 hadn’t been that weird in between book, and had instead been based from Pantala, then maybe things could’ve worked.
I didn’t mind arc 3, the only thing that kept making me want to read book 15 is the fact that Lynx and Qibli were there. This is off topic but Lynx is underrated in my opinion. Book 15 was really messy, but it was really interesting that they told us the story of the scorching, even if it was very off topic. Wasp was a good villain, but at book 15, it was just like ‘ok, so wasp, you aren’t important anymore’, and they just threw her away. No hate toward Tui, I love wings of fire, and so does everyone else here probably. I might edit this later.
I really didn’t like book 15 because Luna was in a cave the whole time, we keep seeing confusing visions and stuff, and when we finally understand we expect a big ending to all of the troubles and stuff that was built up…. Instead she cut a vine and named a dragon…. Huh?
book 12 was my first ever wings of fire book i had got it with the money i had that crismas and i was ready for something new it took me 2 years to read it because i started in the middle of the story i read the epologe and was so confused after i started part 1 like omg why are we here now but i still love the book and overall it is one of my favriote books i have ever read
About your point on book 10 being the end of the series. Tui didn't know that it would be received as well as it was. Yes qibli was already liked but book 10 definitely made a lot more people like him a lot more. If Tui has known that book 10 was going to be so popular I don't think she would have included the epilog part where the 3rd arc is set up. I don't know for sure but I think the reason arc 3 wasn't as good as the other arcs was because of stress. I write sometimes and I sometimes share that with my friends. One time my story was very well received and I tried to follow it up. It was like my writing skill regressed 2 or 3 years and I could barely write. Point is that when you write something great and have to follow it up it seems to be a trend to trip while trying to and fail. Star wars did it, I think game of thrones did it but I never watched that, and I do it so I don't see why Tui wouldn't have
You bring up good points! While I do agree that Cottonmouth and Freedom should've had more hints, I still think it was pretty good. :) My opinion pretty much reflects TrickyTalon's comment. ^^ Amazing video (and art) as always! :]
4:01 I completely agree. I never finished book 15 because I just kept getting lost and confused. Like, in the beginning, the dragons are flying to second continent ( I forgot the name😅),then some get captured, then the rest end up in a cave with the free silk wings, and then Luna falls down this like, thing where cottenmouth, a character we don even know, is. Tui tries to explain his back story, but it just doesn’t make sense in my head why he was the villain all along. Like I said, I never finished it, so I don’t know if Luna escapes or anything, and I’m open to ‘spoilers’. The third arc just had so much potential, and one of the reasons I picked up the very first book in the series, was to get to book 11 (I think it’s 11, the lost continent is what I’m talking about) because I thought Blue looked so cool. I had never seen a dragon design like that. Over all, the 3rd arc was just ok at best for me. Nothing special or out of the ordinary, but nothing bad that I hated either. Edit: dang that’s long
I will say, Tui does have a chance to redeem the series, as I believe there has been a title release for book sixteen. Hopefully we get more out of that, if it does come out!
If Tui is feeling burn out from WOF she might want to leave it alone for few months to a few years then look at it again with fresh eyes if she feels she wants to make another arc then she can start wrighting it if she still feels drained when she revisits she can take another few months or years away from it if she desided s its donw then well its done. Cant exactly force the wrighter to make another book series
This is speculation, but to me it seems like during arc 3 there was a major rewrite and change of direction following book 12. I've seen others suggest it as well, and it would explain why there is almost no foreshadowing for things like Cottonmouth, the lack of payoff for a lot of the planting in 11 and 12, why 14 ended up being filler, and why all 5 books feel so disconnected.
@@StarseekertheNightwing13 I think she meant Hawthorn but just got their names flipped. I was like, “wait, Hemlock? Ain’t he Sundew’s father? Don’t you mean Hawthorn?”
Love your opinion on the third arc and I totally agree, but I loved the new tribes. Also, do i have your permission to draw Cyprus? I’d tag you of course, and idk if I need permission or not, I just wanted to know if it was ok with you 😊
I personally love Arc 3, but i do admit that Cottonmouth sort of came out of nowhere, we could have had more experience with him in other books and that would have made book 15 that much better. I think Tui just wanted Cottommouth in there at somepoint, but just threw him in at the end because she had nowhere else to put him. However, I do like the concept of Lizard. All in all, the 3rd ark was really good, it just needed a little more looking over before it got written completely!
I really liked arc 3, but I understand if you had issues you wanted to talk about it. But I loved the sudden plot twists and the long drawn out horror of what Luna was going through. The only thing I have a problem with, is the ending. There is SO much more potential left with the way arc three ended, more of things getting fixed and settled, maybe the lives of younger dragons living with the new world, when our protagonists are older. Idk, but I quite enjoyed it.
I don’t want to get into too much detail about this but mind control is a very hard concept to tackle in a book it’s hard to find loopholes to make the story interesting and I think it needed to be explained further and they should have stopped with hawthorn but… freedom is a caricature I didn’t know I needed 😢
I did really enjoy arc 3 I just thought that it was really interesting to read it was something new I do think book 15 did drop off the deep end though it was a little confusing for me to read and I do think that Wasp should've stayed the Villian instead of Cottonmouth I did like Freedom and book 14 is honestly one of my favourite books in the series even though it seems people thought it was a filler I think if Tui doesn't feel like writing a fourth arc I would hope some more winglets could be released
I know that Tui is probably done writing but it would be an AWESOME arc 4 of Blaze came back and she was secretly planning to take the throne from Thorn and it would tie the hole series together but this may just be me
I think one thing could easily fix this: book 13 had the climax, leaving book 14 with mostly nowhere to go. Between books 12 and 13 something else should have raised the stakes, letting the poison jungle heighten the tension, and relegating the negotiations and logistics to prologues and epilogues. Another thing that could help is that Book 15 should have used more characters we’d seen before but that were more subdued personalities. pineapple and bullfrog were mostly extraneous. I’d probably pick Liana and Reed for those roles, adding major sass and a steady anchor, with characters that could easily fade into the background when needed. I’d choose Winter, a more subdued outclaw (six-claws, anyone?), sky, reed, pike, liana, and moon: that way we have characters that provide a background and aren’t as flashy, leaving Luna and perhaps someone else like Sky to shine without that muddled mess of characters behind them.
5:30 Now why does that sound familiar? *Cough* Fatespeaker *Cough* "Maybe it's familiar..... because it's a rock." "Oh." "Hey, what's that in front of the rock?" "*gasps* A fatespeaker!"
Here’s some ideas:) “What if anemone wasn’t a animus, but tsunami was” “What if darkstalker and arctic had a good relationship together?” “What if glory was a Icewing?” “What if viper never died?” “What if Blister killed blaze?” “What if the leafwings won the war?” “What if cricket and sundew switched personalities” “What if Cyprus(You) was a part of the Dod:o?”
I honestly didn't mind the 3rd arc It's just.... Why a scavenger? Why even build relations with scavengers at all? I don't like that And I think 14 would've felt more in place of a "calm before the storm" type of book of 15 ACTUALLY WRAPPED EVERYTHING UP No hate on Tui, love that woman, hate the sin not the sinner Anyways I liked that we got more insight on The Scorching since they always talk about it but us as the readers know absolutely nothing I just did not want scavengers as a part of this story, at least, not as plot points and main characters outside of Dragonslayer And Luna kinda lost her character too, I feel like she should've been more of a Leia (from Star Wars) kind of character instead of a cheesey Padme (also from Star Wars)
There should have been a wings of fire legends about the scorching instead of introducing cottonmouth and lizard in book fifteen. that way there is a legends book for each of the arcs.
I had freaking nightmares about Queen wasp, and I was a little disappointed when I found out she wasn’t the true villain and instead it was some plant that she’d breathed in. But the arc up until book 14 was pretty solid and I think Tui did a great job. It’s really hard to make a book series, and I respect her!
I think she should leave the series where it is with the exception of maybe one final special book (like Dragonslayer and Darkstalker) set in the future. Teh previous two legends were set in the past that shed light on how the continent came to be, and I think it would be great to have one give us a view of the world the dragonets from both coninents have worked so hard for. We saw a snippit of what Jade Mountain Acadamy could look like, but what of the kingdoms? Do the Silkwings learn how to govern themselves properly, or are they allowing perhaps the Rainwings to step in? The kingdoms are now intermingling and cross breeding, which has already starrted giving us some intresting combinations and I would love to see more and if they are unrecongizable to the current style and more reminiscent of the dragons before the Scorching. Are they even still kingdoms, or have they gone the route Avatar the Last Airbender did? I don't remember, did it ever mention how the dragons made it to the Lost Continent to begin with? How exactly did the dragons become the way they are? I would personally love a legend book as if Starflight or Cricket wrote out the histories of the world. With an updated guide. It was really frustrating when a new development happened and he next book didn't update the stuff. I understand why, but still. Like you said, there was so much that was tied up and finished neatly with book 10, but there was also a lot of stuff i would have liked to see filled out more ( such as Peacemaker). So maybe two more legend books, one for a history lesson by Starflight/Cricket and one set a couple hundred years into the future to see how everything turned out. But thats only my opinion.
As much as I love Sundew and Snowfall.... I agree. The third arc is a mess. What really started the fall in my opinion is a character (Snowfall) who is completely discounted from the entire story! Snowfall was used as a plot device. "Oh the hive mind dragons captured the other two good guys left on the continent." If you ask me it could have been better if we had no idea what happened on Pantala after the Leafwings, and some Silkwings, and two Hivewings left. That way when the stealth team arrived in Pantala it would be a shock factor that there were more Silkwings and Leafwings under the Hive mind then they thought. Or (if we stick to the Snowfall POV, and her lesson with the ring of vision) have some of the flashbacks set up Cottonmouth and Lizard/Freedom and make Wasp still part of the main bad force by having her closely communicate with Cottonmouth. Now I love Wings of Fire and Tui's writing a lot. This is in no way a rant about how bad it is. It is simply my opinion on how to change the story a little bit to set up better for book 15. But it's still amazing Tui has written these books for 10 whole years! That's some dedication.
“All good things must come to and end.” I think Arc 3 shows the slowdown on momentum (or from what I can tell). I’m beginning to doubt that there will be an Arc 4. Well idk what to say :/
I feel as if series 3 was maybe just a filler idea? Kind of an unpopular opinion but she should’ve started focusing on a new series rather than trying continue a legendary story.
the first two books of arc 3 were good, but the 1st and 2nd arc were defiantly the best. it would have been so much better if Tui left Hawthorn (even though he's awesome) and Cottonmouth just as normal characters. Cottonmouth could be excluded from the whole story and Wasp could have been the tie to who the villain was?
Totally agree. If Tui had done something like have a little dialogue from Lizard/Freedom in the epilogues of each book, it wouldn't feel like an out-of-nowhere twist. It also would've been cool if Snowfall had a winglet instead of her own book, because that was incredibly distracting. I was a bit disoriented when reading TFOH because of that. xD Along with some other new things I didn't agree with, I didn't really connect to any of the POV protagonists. I liked Blue's book because it was a nice change from the typical warrior-rebel protag in these kind of books; he didn't want any change at all. Cricket's character was kind of flat. Sundew felt like one of those Transformers toys that are repainted and sold as a different character. Give me Murder Fish over Angst Leaf any day! Snowfall and Luna felt the same. And there where WAY too many scavengers. Bumblebee, however cute, felt like the obligatory "baby" character that's in everything right now. I think arc 3 had some cool scenes in it, but it didn't satisfy. I know this is a looong comment, but I'm glad someone else feels the same way. xD
I really appreciated the first half of arc three, the hive queen being in my top four favorite books, but things slowly just got uninteresting and book 15 was easily my least favorite book. Which sort of spoiled the whole arc for me. I would love just one more arc to sort of redeem the series as a whole and finish with a bang or just any sort of emotion other than disappointment, but for some reason I can’t really see that happening.
I haven't finished arc 3 yet. I took a break from it to finally read Darkstalker legends after reading book 12. I’ll get back to it soon but I think I've had way too many spoilers that it's pretty much pointless.
I honestly liked the third arc. It was new and it offered a different setting than the first two arcs. It felt a little more modern to. I understand how you feel about book 15, i didn't like it either, but the first 3 books of the 3rd arc where still entertaining and fun to read. In my opinion though I think it would have been interesting if the 4th book was about the escape across to sea, maybe being tracked down and trying to find their way.
@@hyzmarie Yeah, i think it would have been interesting if they where followed by a group of Hivewings, or maybe a group of Hivewings got to the Distant Kingdoms first
@@lucky_lynx7867 nice! That would explain the “talons United” bit as well in a way that didn’t have the problem of trying to keep track of ten characters in one book
I think the first three books were fine, but the next two characters weren't even there for most of the journey! There were also way too many flashback because they weren't there to talk about why they acted that way and had to add in reasons why they had their quirks.
I enjoyed Arc 3 a lot, but not because it was necessarily well-written. I liked it because some of the books taught valuable lessons! But the HiveWings-are-evil-no-wait-Queen-Wasp-is-the-problem-wait-no-it’s-a-plant-wait-no-it’s-a-dragon plot is a little confusing.
ok ok ok i have kinda been trying to pretend that the 3rd arc wasnt that bad but i totally agree with everything you said, the way you phrased it makes a lot of sense, yea idk.. also i love your art!!
Books 11 and 12 are definitely the best out of all of them. And book 12 is just my favorite book out of the entire series. Book 13 was good. 14 was a bit weird for me. And I despise book 15. I was so excited when we got the first fight scene in it. But after that there is barely any action. I hated the villain. I hated Freedom. I hated how they dealt with Wasp in the end. (Although I loved when Pineapple pulled a Queen Glory on her and shooter magical death spit at her.) And Luna is personally my least favorite main character. It had a good start but now I’m dissatisfied.
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“Wait there’s a random dead guy-AND HE’S SCARY!?”-Cyprus,inventing my favourite quote ever
I kinda did like arc 3, but I do agree with the fact that Wasp was somewhat written off. Cottonmouth was a bit of an: “oh this guy exists now?”
I agree, they should have hinted at it, maybe in the poison jungle, or perhaps in Cricket’s book
I also would have liked to see Lizard/Freedom more. They should’ve also hinted at her WAY more
True, I thought that part wasn't complete.
Ugh but arc 3 is so dry, and I cannot finish it, I hate it! I’m in the center of book 13 but there is no momentum!!!
Fourth arc is needed
Truth is, I actually really enjoyed Arc 3 the most due to it doing so many things right (with the exception of Book 15), like Tui had fully learned from her mistakes of its predecessors. The brand new settings is a breath of fresh air, all the protagonists are fantastic and preserve their character development, none of the antagonists overstay their welcome, every new romance is genuine, the plot is executed phenomenally, the story keeps a very steady pace throughout without getting too slow or too fast, there’s a perfect balance of dark and goofy moments, and there isn’t an overpowered magic system that piles up plot holes. I have a strongly negative view towards Book 15, but it doesn’t change how phenomenal Books 11-14 are in my eyes.
I absolutely agree. I don’t really like book 14 myself but book 13 is actually my favourite book in the whole series.
book 14 was probably my favourite.
Although being a filler which making the book kind of useless for the problem in the whole arc, it was interesting and it introduced the story of jerboa, snowfall also developed more sympathy which would have a good effect on the tribe later. They do still have the problems of the other mind but at least they got to figure a way to stop it. overall, great book even though its a filler.
I agree, the third arc, though not my favourite, was pretty good. I really liked book 13 and I absolutely love freedom. I have to admit book 14 was a little boring in some parts but it was still good. The new setting was cool and blicket is a good ship along with sunlow. The characters are good but I do feel that some of them have the exact same personality as some arc one characters. Sundew and Tsunami are pretty similar and so are Clay and Swordtail.
I loved the third arc, it was my favorite, but I also really liked book 15, I just hated the fact that it made scavengers important, I think cottonmouth was fine because of the scorching, but I wish they'd taken a different skywing
@@averypeck654 agreed!
It's sad because, in my opinion, the actual style and writing is perfect. I think in books 14 and 15 it's the best it's ever been in Wings of Fire - I think Tui's really good at dialogue especially, and I'm always having such a great time reading whenever my favourite characters are "onscreen". However the plot and story is really muddled and has tons and tons of problems, which I think you addressed beautifully in this video!
I can see what you mean, and I kinda agree, but I do really like book 15, as it adds to the history, we now know what the scorching is, as it's mentioned alot but we never knew what it was, and book 14 was nice to have, so the dragons are moving closer to a peaceful day and age, with a new continent, it was nice to have a breather, and she mightve genuinely not known where she wanted to take the ending from 13, so she wrote 14 instead
Yes, I agree we now know so much more. We know what the Scorching is and many other prompts in WoF. It filled in what the Winglets didn't.
Should’ve stopped writing arcs after book 10. Pls write winglets and legends. That’s all I gotta say for Tui 🤣 She’s an amazing writer and the first two arcs were absolutely incredible, but I do agree that arc 3 was a bit of a letdown which sadly had a lot of potential. It is understandable to have creative burnout and a want for something brand new. I hope Tui makes more books in the future about Wings of Fire answering our questions and mysteries about the first 2 arcs!
Have a good day Cyprus! ❤
I liked Arc Three more than many other people do, mainly because of the ending and the connection between the continents and the humans. But I can see what your saying, and if Tui had executed it better, I think it could have been as good as the rest of the series.
I completely agree with your point about book 14. I feel like it should’ve been a legends book that kind of fit along with the plot like legends darkstalker
Yeah me too
Best book just ill-placed
Ok so this might just be me, but I liked all the twist and turns and how fast it was moving. It kept me hooked on the book. They did seem a little confusing at first, but I think the way it all connects to each other was good. Of course this is only my opinion and I’m not very good at telling if writing is good or not😅 I just like the story’s❤
I think I'm the only person who genuinely enjoys every book in this series 💀
Same 😭
Same
Like I like every book
same 😭
books 11-14: We've all got to work together to stop the hivemind!
book 15: Luna luna lUnA LuNa *luna* looooooooooooonaa
Arc 3 was my favourite due to it introducing a new continent and dragons and the ending was amazing!
Dang the last book was really horrible imo
I personally feel that the ending just didn't match up with Tui's writing style.
I agree that the 3rd arc was meh, but the thing I really found interesting was how the story felt like it was based on the story of Chief Sequoia, a Native American chief who was kicked out of his land and forced to “protected land” by the Colonizers. In the sense of comparing the two stories, the Leafwings are the Native Americans, the Hivewings are the colonizers and the Silkwings are very vaguely Africans. The main reason I was so unhappy with the 3rd arc is that she had it based off this story, and then just blew it up with the hivemind and cottonmouth. Now technically you could say the ending represents where we are now, with all the tribes being equal, but the way she got there made me unhappy. It was like, oh yeah these random dragons are gonna go make everything okay, hooray, but it just differs so much from the story she based it on, like if your gonna make it based on a true story, make the rest of the arc realistic-ish at least!
I honestly just feel like Tui had way more time to plan out the first two arcs but not the 3rd. I hope if she continues the series, she’ll take a huge break before to plan out everything and then write the books so they’ll have that same magical feeling the first two arcs had. Although this comment doesn’t have much details to my theory, hopefully the people who read this will understand what I mean.
I also feel that killing off Freedom was the wrong decision. The poor dragonet deserved to live a life and have her own memories, and feel it was giving a bad message or not the message Tui intended to send to the readers. I would have felt a little better if somehow Luna found a way to give Freedom a life or at least give her something.
Anyways, no hate to Tui, I defiantly enjoyed some parts of arc 3 but I felt it could have been so much better and have a more satisfying ending like the rest of her books. I hope her next novels (if she makes any) will be just like her previous ones before arc 3.
with "do you think tui will write anything more within wings of fire", I really hope she writes a book based on Umber and a book based on Sora. It would be pretty cool to see stories based on these two mudwings. Sora has an. . . interesting personality, and it would be interesting to see more into her character. and i'd love to see something based on Umber, he also seems interesting. I understand that Kinkajou won't get her own book, which is fine! her character's perfect. But seeing something based on Umber and Sora would be quite good to read. Maybe Tui could even write a book based on Clay's siblings in the way she wrote Darkstalker or Dragonslayer- each chapter based on a different dragon. It just seems like an interesting idea!
A whole arc that's just Clay's sibs. We could have Sora, Umber, Pheasant, Reed and Clay's mother (forgot their name)
And the plot could be the sibs getting to know their mother.
@@guidinglight9082 Their mother is Cattail, and don't forget Crane!
@@Deer_In_Headlights Oh yeah, book 1 Reed to show what being a BigWings is like, book 2 Pheasant because why not, book 3 Sora to show how she moved on from the dragonflame ignition, book 4 Umber to show his life in Jade Mountain and book 5 Crane for the climax, a huge fight between Cattail and the sibs, including Clay.
@@guidinglight9082 oh, yeah! or even 1) Reed to show his struggles as a bigwing- then to show the sadness when he finds that he isn't the true Bigwings. 2) Pheasant and showing her life as she supported Reed. 3) Sora to show how nervous she normally is, and to show how she coped with the trauma of Crane. 4) Umber and his winglet. 5) Crane before her death.
I think even if a kinkajou book was up in the air it shouldn't be done. Like overwriting a character,(imo) you need those gaps for them to seem interesting.
I loved ark three mostly because the new continent and tribes are obviously new and exciting. Also, when the poison forest burned, though that's probably the most exciting thing that happened. I love your art!❤
If she does do an arc 4 it needs to be something new, probably with the next generation. If not, we need more winglets on Chameleon, Umber and Sora, Peril and Sky, Kestrel, Farsight, and Scarab.
I honestly LOVED some of the third arc, but... SOME of it. I wasn't too crazy about book 11 when it was released, but Cricket and Sundew's were probably in my top three favorite books for the entire series! (as well as book 10) They had such WONDERFUL character development and plot lines, with fascinating scenery and dialogue to boot. They were just FUN to read, and they're the two books that I look forward to the most whenever I reread the series. I just wish Tui would've planned a better ending!! Cottonmouth and Freedom came out of nowhere, and even though there was some suspense behind WHO the other mind was, I feel like it could've just been played out in such a more interesting way. Like, maybe by having the reveal as a character(s) who we already knew and actually cared about. When the entire ending of potentially ALL of WoF as we KNEW it was wrapped around an insignificant dragonet and a random human who we'd JUST MET... idk it just kinda ruined it for me. But yeah, it's nice to see other people agreeing and sort of bonding over their/our opinions on arc three! Thanks Cyprus :))
You know what? SCREW IT! IM RE-WRIGHTING ARK 3 AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME!
YESSS GO FOR IT
Oh my GOSH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! I admit, I would have been disappointed if Tui ended the series at book 10, but it was a completely satisfying ending! Arc 3 was okay, but book 15? Big disappointment. I hope she does another arc
Hello! I am a new sub and I am in LOVE with your art how do you do it 🥺 Anyway I really do like the 3rd arc, especially Freedom/Lizard, but when I think about it I do have to agree with you. It really wasn't Tui's best writing- and although I know she has done so many books and might retire soon- I would like at least one more arc. And we don't even know what tribe Freedom/Lizard is. I am dying to know but I would understand if she decides to stop. Anyway love your vids! 💖💖💖
You made Cricket look so good!
I agree, but the most interesting thing I noticed was the fact that Tui Sutherland helped write Warrior. How did I not know this?! Thanks for this, made some things much more clear.
I did enjoy arc 3, but you do make a lot of amazing points, Cyprus! As a writer myself also, stories can remain unfinished, unused, terrible, amazing, or just… done. We gotta accept that we can’t finish everything and new things always come up. I love Tui T Sutherland too, but I will agree that I think the Wings of Fire series is done, no matter how much I want it to go on. The 15th book was amazing, but we were introduced to millions of new characters for five minutes, and then it was taken away. I still love all of them and hope they come back one day, but as side stories. Three arcs is A LOT, and it’s hard to make everything fit together into one. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it doesn’t. But I love your videos and art, Cyprus, they were beautiful and amazing. ❤
I always find it interesting and love the part about the Book of Clearsight. It’s held as a holy relic and Clearsight was revered like a goddess, only for the main characters to find out that the claim of the book choosing Wasp to rule everything was a lie, concluding that Wasp manipulated the masses under the guise of “God told me trust me,” which hits very close to home because people throughout history have tried to manipulate everyone around them by weaponizing the religious faith. I had trouble keeping track with what is there and what isn’t when Luna confronted Lizard that I definitely am gonna need a graphic novel to figure it out (which is probably gonna take a decade to get to Book 15 :’) ). Not a fan with how fast the epilogue played out because racism doesn’t end so fast that easily and yet it’s treated like “yeah there’s gonna be complaints but whatever.”
I'm a simple girl... I see a Cyprus video... I click. We love you and your art Cyprus!!!!!
This felt like a slap in the face. I normaly agree with your comments but this time you went to far this is my favorit arc and book 14 & 15 being in my top 3 books.
I loved all of the arcs, including arc 3, and I do see your point with “hey, here’s a new character and SURPRISE SURPRISE, he’s supposed to be scary,” but being a person who isn’t a critic and barely thinks about this stuff, I still liked it :D
Arc 3 was nice (I quite like the characters and the new tribes) though yeah, they should've hinted a bit more at Cottonmouth and Freedom/Lizard.
If Tui would continue WOF, and I do hope she does, I would say do a spinoff of some sort about humans (I know its got nothing to really do about the proper storyline but just keep reading).
If you've read Dragonslayer (I'll try not to spoil much), at the very end it's like he's going to come after Wren. I would LOVE to see a part about that, and it would be different from the main Wings of Fire arcs because its about humans (this could work if she needed a break about dragons). A book like this could also show how dragons are stopping to eat scavengers/humans, or some rebellious dragon is still eating them or something.
Just an idea, but I really would like a conclusion to Dragonslayer because the ending is a cliffhanger.
First+I haven’t watched it yet but great art ( I skipped to the end ) you continue to inspire me everyday!
Spider dragons.
I, random user on TH-cam, predict that Tui Sutherland is at least thinking about Spider Dragons.
Do you know any spider named dragons?
NO.
Also, her favorite character is Peril! Did y’all know that?
I am kinda of disappointed by the 3rd arc. Like you said it started interesting but ended disappointing. I think that book 11 to 14 where not bad at all, but book 15 is just not that good next to book 5 and 10. Anyway I love your videos so much. Thank you ❤
Book 11 and 12 is pretty good, build up the world of Pentala and how the dragons there lived.
Book 13 was kinda good with a good twist.
Book 14 is a filler book of a princess having different personalities.
And Book 15 feels rushed.
I liked the backstory of how the Scorching started but it still, feels weird and some of the parts felt skipped or felt confused on some parts of the story.
All and all, it started good until it became rushed with a few skips here and there.
I'mma give it a 6/10.
I doubt I will ever spell your name right, but I love your channel, keep up the good work, NEVER STOP. I will always support you, have a nice forever!
I meant to say this in the comment, but I’m in the center of book 13, and I can’t read it, it just got so boring and dry… I can try to finish it but uhhh no I don’t like it
I do like your analogy but my opinion is she wanted to write more but the original characters were all tied up enough so she tried to make something brand new, but the creativeness was not there. I did enjoy book 11 and 12 though.
I totally agree with Arc 3. 1 and 2 I was engaged and ready to go, but I honestly don’t remember reading 3 or what it was even about because I couldn’t keep myself interested in it.
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I totally agree with you. Book fifteen was completely confusing. It kinda ended on a cliffhanger but kinda didn't and was just wack. It like just didn't make sense. I liked book twelve but thats comepletely biased because Crickets my favorite character.
6:18 “You’ve got to know when to stop.”
Very true. But try telling that to Erin Hunter! Warriors has been going on for 20 whole years, and I’m only what, the 6th arc? After arc 4, it doesn’t seem that much worth reading anymore, especially because the main character since the FIRST BOOK died. (Sorry if that’s a spoiler). Sometimes, you’ve got to know when to stop, and in this case, maybe they just should’ve stopped after arc 4, and not continued on to an arc 8 that’s still in the making. We all want more… but writers have to know when to stop. I don’t think Warriors needs 8 arcs with like, 16 Super Editions, and like 15 more novellas and 10 graphic novels. The newer characters aren’t that good, I feel like I’m reading the last book in the 6th arc just because of one character. And another thing: the problem isn’t really pointed out all that clearly. In arc 1, the villain is introduced in the first book. He plays a role the whole time, so that’s really enjoyable, right? But then a random villain just gets introduced in the last book of the arc and murders cats. That’s kind of like Cottonmouth/the Othermind. In that case, it worked, but it didn’t really work in WoF. My favorite villain in WoF is, guess what, Scarlet. The original villain. My favorite character is a dragon introduced in book five: Qibli. As you can see, the newer characters aren’t my favorite. Kink is my fav side character, and she came into the story in book 3. Writers seriously need to know when to stop. And how to actually introduce their villains and make it a bit clear on who the hell is the actual villain. Congrats if you read all that 🎉🎉.
Honestly I agree that sometimes you need to take a step back from franchises and it wouldn't be a bad idea for her to step back for a while and focus on something else and then return to Wings of Fire with his fresh ideas and a burnt out with the series. But honestly I really did enjoy it arc3 characters and I loved Book 15 and honestly it's probably one of my favorites I love it for all the reasons that people seem to hate it it wasn't super fast nor was it incredibly slow it explored different ideas in parts of the story that we had little-to-no information about and frankly I don't mind their being more negotiations and governmental politics being funded Wings of Fire that honestly makes things a bit more interesting to me. And honestly I know you say that book 10 was so great but honestly I was very disappointed with the ending of that book in complete contrast to everyone else it's ending sucked especially if you're a fan of darkstalker like me with turn him into Peacemaker you look more like a cop-out than an actual ending he should have gotten was an actual redemption arc which is what I would love to see but even if you don't want to go that Avenue the writing for that entire scene was still bought and it felt awful and totally hypocritical of the entire message up to that point of don't change dragons into something they're not but how are they going to solve the big bad problem by doing the exact thing they're telling him he's doing wrong. Honestly I didn't hate book 10 but it's ending left a very sour taste in my mouth where is Buck 15 did exact opposite it felt very inspirational and good and left an open-end for more books and more possibilities to explore more of the situation and relationships between scavengers and Dragons.
Could you do a chapter on the first aev/ DoD? The drawing would be cool! If you can't that's okay too❤
Wow, you just listed all the reason I wasn’t a big fan of the 3rd arc. For me personally, I think it started going south in 14. Like you said, villains need to be introduced over time to make them scary. If 14 hadn’t been that weird in between book, and had instead been based from Pantala, then maybe things could’ve worked.
I didn’t mind arc 3, the only thing that kept making me want to read book 15 is the fact that Lynx and Qibli were there. This is off topic but Lynx is underrated in my opinion. Book 15 was really messy, but it was really interesting that they told us the story of the scorching, even if it was very off topic. Wasp was a good villain, but at book 15, it was just like ‘ok, so wasp, you aren’t important anymore’, and they just threw her away. No hate toward Tui, I love wings of fire, and so does everyone else here probably. I might edit this later.
I really didn’t like book 15 because Luna was in a cave the whole time, we keep seeing confusing visions and stuff, and when we finally understand we expect a big ending to all of the troubles and stuff that was built up…. Instead she cut a vine and named a dragon…. Huh?
book 12 was my first ever wings of fire book i had got it with the money i had that crismas and i was ready for something new it took me 2 years to read it because i started in the middle of the story i read the epologe and was so confused after i started part 1 like omg why are we here now but i still love the book and overall it is one of my favriote books i have ever read
About your point on book 10 being the end of the series. Tui didn't know that it would be received as well as it was. Yes qibli was already liked but book 10 definitely made a lot more people like him a lot more. If Tui has known that book 10 was going to be so popular I don't think she would have included the epilog part where the 3rd arc is set up. I don't know for sure but I think the reason arc 3 wasn't as good as the other arcs was because of stress. I write sometimes and I sometimes share that with my friends. One time my story was very well received and I tried to follow it up. It was like my writing skill regressed 2 or 3 years and I could barely write. Point is that when you write something great and have to follow it up it seems to be a trend to trip while trying to and fail. Star wars did it, I think game of thrones did it but I never watched that, and I do it so I don't see why Tui wouldn't have
You bring up good points! While I do agree that Cottonmouth and Freedom should've had more hints, I still think it was pretty good. :) My opinion pretty much reflects TrickyTalon's comment. ^^
Amazing video (and art) as always! :]
I don’t even have arc 3 books but I still watch these videos about arc 3
4:01 I completely agree. I never finished book 15 because I just kept getting lost and confused. Like, in the beginning, the dragons are flying to second continent ( I forgot the name😅),then some get captured, then the rest end up in a cave with the free silk wings, and then Luna falls down this like, thing where cottenmouth, a character we don even know, is. Tui tries to explain his back story, but it just doesn’t make sense in my head why he was the villain all along. Like I said, I never finished it, so I don’t know if Luna escapes or anything, and I’m open to ‘spoilers’. The third arc just had so much potential, and one of the reasons I picked up the very first book in the series, was to get to book 11 (I think it’s 11, the lost continent is what I’m talking about) because I thought Blue looked so cool. I had never seen a dragon design like that. Over all, the 3rd arc was just ok at best for me. Nothing special or out of the ordinary, but nothing bad that I hated either.
Edit: dang that’s long
I will say, Tui does have a chance to redeem the series, as I believe there has been a title release for book sixteen. Hopefully we get more out of that, if it does come out!
If Tui is feeling burn out from WOF she might want to leave it alone for few months to a few years then look at it again with fresh eyes if she feels she wants to make another arc then she can start wrighting it if she still feels drained when she revisits she can take another few months or years away from it if she desided s its donw then well its done. Cant exactly force the wrighter to make another book series
This is speculation, but to me it seems like during arc 3 there was a major rewrite and change of direction following book 12. I've seen others suggest it as well, and it would explain why there is almost no foreshadowing for things like Cottonmouth, the lack of payoff for a lot of the planting in 11 and 12, why 14 ended up being filler, and why all 5 books feel so disconnected.
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I love your art SO SO MUCH! You are my main art inspiration. Btw, can I draw Cyprus?
Go for it!
@@cyprusdraegon wait what does hemlock save to do with this other than being sundews father I think you mean hawthorn
@@cyprusdraegon also could you do another art contest in the future
@@StarseekertheNightwing13 I think she meant Hawthorn but just got their names flipped. I was like, “wait, Hemlock? Ain’t he Sundew’s father? Don’t you mean Hawthorn?”
Love your opinion on the third arc and I totally agree, but I loved the new tribes.
Also, do i have your permission to draw Cyprus? I’d tag you of course, and idk if I need permission or not, I just wanted to know if it was ok with you 😊
Go ahead!
@@cyprusdraegon thx!
I personally love Arc 3, but i do admit that Cottonmouth sort of came out of nowhere, we could have had more experience with him in other books and that would have made book 15 that much better. I think Tui just wanted Cottommouth in there at somepoint, but just threw him in at the end because she had nowhere else to put him. However, I do like the concept of Lizard. All in all, the 3rd ark was really good, it just needed a little more looking over before it got written completely!
I mean I still enjoyed all three arks and I do love the third Arc still and is probably the best ending out of all of them.
book 14 is my favorite book due to the growth arc and fun plot
It feels like yeah, if she is gonna do any more books she needs time. Like a lot. A big break. Personally I was just happy for more books.
I really liked arc 3, but I understand if you had issues you wanted to talk about it. But I loved the sudden plot twists and the long drawn out horror of what Luna was going through. The only thing I have a problem with, is the ending. There is SO much more potential left with the way arc three ended, more of things getting fixed and settled, maybe the lives of younger dragons living with the new world, when our protagonists are older. Idk, but I quite enjoyed it.
I don’t want to get into too much detail about this but mind control is a very hard concept to tackle in a book it’s hard to find loopholes to make the story interesting and I think it needed to be explained further and they should have stopped with hawthorn but… freedom is a caricature I didn’t know I needed 😢
Wow I haven’t even read the 3rd arc but I still watch vids about the 3rd arc like it’s giving me expectations when I read the 3rd arc
I made a little “pun” I put 3 “3rd arc” because it’s the 3RD ARC
I did really enjoy arc 3 I just thought that it was really interesting to read it was something new I do think book 15 did drop off the deep end though it was a little confusing for me to read and I do think that Wasp should've stayed the Villian instead of Cottonmouth I did like Freedom and book 14 is honestly one of my favourite books in the series even though it seems people thought it was a filler I think if Tui doesn't feel like writing a fourth arc I would hope some more winglets could be released
I know that Tui is probably done writing but it would be an AWESOME arc 4 of Blaze came back and she was secretly planning to take the throne from Thorn and it would tie the hole series together but this may just be me
I think one thing could easily fix this: book 13 had the climax, leaving book 14 with mostly nowhere to go. Between books 12 and 13 something else should have raised the stakes, letting the poison jungle heighten the tension, and relegating the negotiations and logistics to prologues and epilogues.
Another thing that could help is that Book 15 should have used more characters we’d seen before but that were more subdued personalities. pineapple and bullfrog were mostly extraneous. I’d probably pick Liana and Reed for those roles, adding major sass and a steady anchor, with characters that could easily fade into the background when needed. I’d choose Winter, a more subdued outclaw (six-claws, anyone?), sky, reed, pike, liana, and moon: that way we have characters that provide a background and aren’t as flashy, leaving Luna and perhaps someone else like Sky to shine without that muddled mess of characters behind them.
I have just got to say in book 14 it did mention queen wasp, having another mind in her mind
Hi! I just had a quick question:
What do you use to put together your videos??
Anyway I loved your video and cricket looks soooo cute! ❤️
5:30 Now why does that sound familiar? *Cough* Fatespeaker *Cough*
"Maybe it's familiar..... because it's a rock." "Oh." "Hey, what's that in front of the rock?" "*gasps* A fatespeaker!"
Cricket is a baby a bean she is even cuter when you draw her
Here’s some ideas:)
“What if anemone wasn’t a animus, but tsunami was”
“What if darkstalker and arctic had a good relationship together?”
“What if glory was a Icewing?”
“What if viper never died?”
“What if Blister killed blaze?”
“What if the leafwings won the war?”
“What if cricket and sundew switched personalities”
“What if Cyprus(You) was a part of the Dod:o?”
I honestly didn't mind the 3rd arc
It's just....
Why a scavenger? Why even build relations with scavengers at all?
I don't like that
And I think 14 would've felt more in place of a "calm before the storm" type of book of 15 ACTUALLY WRAPPED EVERYTHING UP
No hate on Tui, love that woman, hate the sin not the sinner
Anyways
I liked that we got more insight on The Scorching since they always talk about it but us as the readers know absolutely nothing
I just did not want scavengers as a part of this story, at least, not as plot points and main characters outside of Dragonslayer
And Luna kinda lost her character too, I feel like she should've been more of a Leia (from Star Wars) kind of character instead of a cheesey Padme (also from Star Wars)
Omg your art is so beautiful you slay harder then buffert keep doing what you love go Cyprus you rock
I drew that cricket it was so HARD how do you do it? I would love if you would do a awesome drawing tutorial
Cyprus : ITS LIKE A PLAIN BOWL OF NOODLES
Me : I love plain bowls of noodles :/-
Me too actually
There should have been a wings of fire legends about the scorching instead of introducing cottonmouth and lizard in book fifteen. that way there is a legends book for each of the arcs.
While watching this my cousin yelled " cyprus is getting rude "
I had freaking nightmares about Queen wasp, and I was a little disappointed when I found out she wasn’t the true villain and instead it was some plant that she’d breathed in. But the arc up until book 14 was pretty solid and I think Tui did a great job. It’s really hard to make a book series, and I respect her!
All of us Are Dissapointed,
But it’s fine, I’m pretty sure Tui Didn’t know where to Start ,
And made CM
All of this makes so much sense.
I think she should leave the series where it is with the exception of maybe one final special book (like Dragonslayer and Darkstalker) set in the future. Teh previous two legends were set in the past that shed light on how the continent came to be, and I think it would be great to have one give us a view of the world the dragonets from both coninents have worked so hard for. We saw a snippit of what Jade Mountain Acadamy could look like, but what of the kingdoms? Do the Silkwings learn how to govern themselves properly, or are they allowing perhaps the Rainwings to step in? The kingdoms are now intermingling and cross breeding, which has already starrted giving us some intresting combinations and I would love to see more and if they are unrecongizable to the current style and more reminiscent of the dragons before the Scorching. Are they even still kingdoms, or have they gone the route Avatar the Last Airbender did?
I don't remember, did it ever mention how the dragons made it to the Lost Continent to begin with? How exactly did the dragons become the way they are? I would personally love a legend book as if Starflight or Cricket wrote out the histories of the world. With an updated guide. It was really frustrating when a new development happened and he next book didn't update the stuff. I understand why, but still.
Like you said, there was so much that was tied up and finished neatly with book 10, but there was also a lot of stuff i would have liked to see filled out more ( such as Peacemaker). So maybe two more legend books, one for a history lesson by Starflight/Cricket and one set a couple hundred years into the future to see how everything turned out. But thats only my opinion.
As much as I love Sundew and Snowfall.... I agree. The third arc is a mess. What really started the fall in my opinion is a character (Snowfall) who is completely discounted from the entire story! Snowfall was used as a plot device. "Oh the hive mind dragons captured the other two good guys left on the continent." If you ask me it could have been better if we had no idea what happened on Pantala after the Leafwings, and some Silkwings, and two Hivewings left. That way when the stealth team arrived in Pantala it would be a shock factor that there were more Silkwings and Leafwings under the Hive mind then they thought. Or (if we stick to the Snowfall POV, and her lesson with the ring of vision) have some of the flashbacks set up Cottonmouth and Lizard/Freedom and make Wasp still part of the main bad force by having her closely communicate with Cottonmouth. Now I love Wings of Fire and Tui's writing a lot. This is in no way a rant about how bad it is. It is simply my opinion on how to change the story a little bit to set up better for book 15. But it's still amazing Tui has written these books for 10 whole years! That's some dedication.
Oh my stars that was long
“All good things must come to and end.” I think Arc 3 shows the slowdown on momentum (or from what I can tell). I’m beginning to doubt that there will be an Arc 4. Well idk what to say :/
I feel as if series 3 was maybe just a filler idea? Kind of an unpopular opinion but she should’ve started focusing on a new series rather than trying continue a legendary story.
Hawthorn not Hemlock, Hemlock is Snoodoos father. Love your work!
RIP Cyprus 2023 XD
the first two books of arc 3 were good, but the 1st and 2nd arc were defiantly the best. it would have been so much better if Tui left Hawthorn (even though he's awesome) and Cottonmouth just as normal characters. Cottonmouth could be excluded from the whole story and Wasp could have been the tie to who the villain was?
Totally agree.
If Tui had done something like have a little dialogue from Lizard/Freedom in the epilogues of each book, it wouldn't feel like an out-of-nowhere twist. It also would've been cool if Snowfall had a winglet instead of her own book, because that was incredibly distracting. I was a bit disoriented when reading TFOH because of that. xD
Along with some other new things I didn't agree with, I didn't really connect to any of the POV protagonists. I liked Blue's book because it was a nice change from the typical warrior-rebel protag in these kind of books; he didn't want any change at all. Cricket's character was kind of flat. Sundew felt like one of those Transformers toys that are repainted and sold as a different character. Give me Murder Fish over Angst Leaf any day! Snowfall and Luna felt the same. And there where WAY too many scavengers. Bumblebee, however cute, felt like the obligatory "baby" character that's in everything right now. I think arc 3 had some cool scenes in it, but it didn't satisfy.
I know this is a looong comment, but I'm glad someone else feels the same way. xD
Love your description of Sundew, lol.
@@tattletale7070 Thanks, I was feeling creative lol
Maybe you could make a what if of how you would like the third arc to have been
I didn’t like book 15 that much as well… but I LOVED Cricket as a character.
I really appreciated the first half of arc three, the hive queen being in my top four favorite books, but things slowly just got uninteresting and book 15 was easily my least favorite book. Which sort of spoiled the whole arc for me. I would love just one more arc to sort of redeem the series as a whole and finish with a bang or just any sort of emotion other than disappointment, but for some reason I can’t really see that happening.
I haven't finished arc 3 yet. I took a break from it to finally read Darkstalker legends after reading book 12. I’ll get back to it soon but I think I've had way too many spoilers that it's pretty much pointless.
I actually love all the five books in season three
I honestly liked the third arc. It was new and it offered a different setting than the first two arcs. It felt a little more modern to. I understand how you feel about book 15, i didn't like it either, but the first 3 books of the 3rd arc where still entertaining and fun to read. In my opinion though I think it would have been interesting if the 4th book was about the escape across to sea, maybe being tracked down and trying to find their way.
Ooooh fantastic idea!!!
@@hyzmarie Yeah, i think it would have been interesting if they where followed by a group of Hivewings, or maybe a group of Hivewings got to the Distant Kingdoms first
@@lucky_lynx7867 nice! That would explain the “talons United” bit as well in a way that didn’t have the problem of trying to keep track of ten characters in one book
I think the first three books were fine, but the next two characters weren't even there for most of the journey! There were also way too many flashback because they weren't there to talk about why they acted that way and had to add in reasons why they had their quirks.
Snowfall is my favorite character, so it's hard for me to hate on Arc 3.
I enjoyed Arc 3 a lot, but not because it was necessarily well-written. I liked it because some of the books taught valuable lessons! But the HiveWings-are-evil-no-wait-Queen-Wasp-is-the-problem-wait-no-it’s-a-plant-wait-no-it’s-a-dragon plot is a little confusing.
I dare you to turn your profile picture into the actual country flag of Cyprus for April fools day.
ok ok ok i have kinda been trying to pretend that the 3rd arc wasnt that bad but i totally agree with everything you said, the way you phrased it makes a lot of sense, yea idk.. also i love your art!!
Books 11 and 12 are definitely the best out of all of them. And book 12 is just my favorite book out of the entire series. Book 13 was good. 14 was a bit weird for me. And I despise book 15. I was so excited when we got the first fight scene in it. But after that there is barely any action. I hated the villain. I hated Freedom. I hated how they dealt with Wasp in the end. (Although I loved when Pineapple pulled a Queen Glory on her and shooter magical death spit at her.)
And Luna is personally my least favorite main character. It had a good start but now I’m dissatisfied.
I don’t have words
I've only read the first two arcs. I don't think I'll be reading arc three.
Book 14 was actually my favorite of arc three 😂