7mm PRC vs 6.8 Western?
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Hey guys. Sorry for the mixup last night. This is the actual 7mm PRC vs 6.8 Western comparison video. Looking forward to watching it with you tonight.
I was so confused last night... I watched it twice because I thought I missed it... lol
@@chrisbrunson6761 lol😂 ME TOO
Ron we can call that part of your bloopers.
Lol, I watched that whole video anyway. I was a little confused. That was good stuff too, though!
I was watching last night and wondering what was going on lol..Thank for the content
6.8 western for life. My new favourite
if hornady really gave a crap about the hunting shooting industry they would support the 6.8...All they care about are the prc cartridges and that's lame
It’s not just hornady. Very few companies have enough confidence in 6.7 western to support it, including Winchester it seems.
@@Westerner_
Well, ADG brass is going to produce brass for the 6.8 Western by the end of the year. It looks like it’s gaining ground, slowly, but interest is building.
@@jimedick9496and that's in the face of all the head winds against it even... For folks that don't know, 6.8 Western is pretty darn good, but all the competition is trying to stop it.
@@samkarr673
It’s a terrific round. It’s the rifle and cartridge that has replaced all my others. I find that I grab my 6.8 Western over my 6.5 PRC, 7 Mag, 30-06, 270win, 300 Sav, and 243 Win.
I’ve had excellent results with this cartridge.
I have enjoyed my 6.8 for hunting here in Alaska. I ended up picking up the 6.8 before the 7 PRC was available. I have my dies for the 6.8. My daughter likes the recoil on her 6.8 western as well. It seems the 7 PRC is going to also gain in its popularity. Both are great new rounds.
a 7 with a decent rifle fitted with a great recoil pad and can will be handy and versatile for bigger game than the 6.5 PRC or the 6.8 for sure. just wait for right rifle options. nice to hear dies available for reloading custom loads, especially with few decent factory ammo.
Short action, less powder/recoil and similar performance. 6.8 Western
100%!!
These videos are about cartridges that I will never shoot but they tickle my inner nerdly wild child all kinds of pink!
Thanks great show. I'm loving my xbolt in 6.8.
Yup America. Buy both of them!!! 👀😎🇺🇸💪💯
Thank you Ron for the comparison video. Having hunted with all of the classic cartridges (30-06, 7mm Mauser, 7mm RM and 300 WM) and now that my hunting days are pretty much over (I'm down to fishing for sport) these new cartridges look like they would be fun to shoot at the bench as well as in the field. Watching your videos is making me want a new rifle as bad as a standing outside the local bakery makes me want to go in and get a fresh danish. Thank you again and have a good week.
From your hunting experience, how well would 7mm magnum or 300 WM do out of a shorter AR platform (30 round mags) for self defense situations?
Im used to tradional .223 AR or 7.62x39 AK.
Thank you.
@@tinhatrancher904 The cartridges would take a long action and the muzzle blast from a short barrel would be terribly deafening. The 7mm RM and the 300 WM are best considered for long range defense in a good bolt action rifle. The current crop of new cartridges based on the AR platform would provide the best selection for close to medium ranges when faster fire rates would be preferred.
@@mattevans-koch9353 Thank you that explanation makes sense.
We used an Argentine Mauser on our last hunt in south texas. Great round for that part of texas
@@tinhatrancher904 You should look into another new cartridge with great energy and shorter flight the 350 legend in an AR.
I’ve probably got the only hunting rifles I’ll ever have till I go to the happy hunting grounds. But it’s still fun to see these different rifles and the thoughts of different shooters. I hope the younger generations enjoy the same hunting I have tru my time. Thanks again Ron, for fun and interesting videos of the shooting sports. 🎥💪🏽💯👍
I have a 25-06 and it's ideal.
I want a 22 250 how ever. If I can't get one,a 223 will suffice
I absolutely love these videos! Thanks Ron for putting out such great content. Keep up the good work!
Ron you continue to inspire and educate me. I've got a pretty blunt "give me a rifle and I'll get it done" attitude, but the finer points of tweaking and learning the balance of recoil, terminal performance and accuracy are making this old hat increasingly interested in making life easier. As I've said before I have a 375H&H mag and it's a heat seeker. However, I recently shot a deer with a 6.5 Creedmore and totally enjoyed the technical aspect of the cartridge's ability. Crunching numbers is now much more interesting. It is a worthwhile endeavor especially as a handloader. Thank you Ron!
I love your channel. I have learned a lot about caliber and the bullets from your channel. Thank you again.
Thanks Ron. Just found a die set for the 6.8 Western and grabbed it. I've heard great things!
Looking Very Sharp, Ron in your WeatherWool! Thank you for your continued support!
Which ever works better in efficiency in a 20in barrel. Would love use these suppressed. Short action and suppressors kind keep the weight down for by hair rooting for 6.8. Just needs more love from manufacturers
They will be very close. The 6.8 Western is too long for most short action rifles, so they will usually both be in standard actions anyway. The Real Gunsmith has talked about customers who got mad when they discovered that the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC could not fit into their Remington short actions.
Nice video! I think these are both great choices. Just depends on how much you care about short vs long action and how much recoil you want. I've been impressed with the 6.8 so far. I can shoot many rounds without a sore shoulder.
Thanks a bunch, Ron!! --- Ralph
I do prefer a short action and the 6.8 Western is my new baby and I am absolutely loving it. Thanks for your overview of these two I really enjoyed it.
I’d like to see it stay long term.
@@chadperry4021 me too
Just be aware that the 6.8 Western (and 6.5 PRC, for that matter) fudge the definition of "short action" and, in fact won't fit in many common short action rifles. The common definition of short action is "308-length", which is 2.81". The 6.8 Western is 3.955"
@@jfess1911 Correct none of the short action magnums are technically short action by cartridge COL definition.
@@simplemindedfella The WSM's are pretty close, though since they are 2.86" (only 0.05" longer than 308) and do indeed fit into most short actions. The 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC both need 2.955, which is enough longer to rule out a Remington Short Action and its clones, for example. Most companies will just use their standard action for them.
So straight forward and understandable. Thank you.
Thanks Ron for all you do. Looking forward to the next comparison, but that 7mm seems to be the sweet spot.
I’m hunting, not shooting in the Wimbledon Cup. My 6.8 Western has already brought down two whitetail bucks this season. The 6.8WST has hit exactly where I put the crosshairs. My 6.8 in 170 ballistic tip is my “sweet spot”. Winchester just needs to flood the market with more ammo.
i like the 6.8 for a few reasons; primarily because I have boxes and boxes of 270 win bullets for reloading. The 145 ELD-x, 140 Sierra TGk, 150 Nosler AB and ABLR, etc. The transition to shooting and reloading the 6.8 was seamless once I got the dies, the powder, and the magnum primers necessary to reload high BC heavy bullets. With 400+ rounds of brass I'll pretty much never have to worry about shooting the 6.8 for the rest of my life. With all respect to the 7prc, it seems nice but it doesn't do anything much better than the 6.8 or the 280 AI, and certainly can't outperform the 28 Nosler. I think barrel life is going to favor the 6.8. I think reloading component availability will favor the 7prc and for sure factory ammo will favor the 7prc. I think until Winchester, Browning, and Christensen Arms stop being the only production companies to make the 6.8 it'll suffer, causing ammo sales to suffer, and also causing heavy high BC 277 bullet production to suffer. So while new sales will certainly tend to favor the 7prc due to Hornady marketing, availbility of ammo and reloading components, for those that have a 6.8 and have the components necessary to reload the bullets it was designed for it's a moot point and those folks will favor (and I'm in that camp) the 6.8. Even for those who don't have a supply of heavy high BC bullets, 277 ELD-x is very inexpensive to load for the 6.8. It's a push on primers (both use LRMP), and both will use (more or less) the same powders. Last thing I favor is the recoil - my 6.8 with Recoil Hawg has such little recoil even my tiny wife doesn't mind it - and she hates my 270 with no brake. Anyway, to each their own, both great cartridges. Will one fail? Maybe. Maybe they both will. In the end if you can reload neither will fail you.
Wow! Really close. Thanks for the info, Ron. Guess we'll just have to watch rifle and ammo availability/variety over time to see which one "makes it big".
My friend you rule above all youtubers, as always plain and simple info.
I have a .300wm so if I buy another rifle it’ll be a short action rifle. That being said it’s a no brainer, 6.8 Western.
Just be aware that the 6.8 Western won't fit in many short actions since it is 2.955" long. Many short actions are closer to 2.81", the length of a 308.
@@jfess1911 what I’ve read is that maximum OAL is 2.995”, that is doable. I still like the idea of a sub 44” rifle that is 6,9-7,5 pounds.
@@RadDadisRad I suspect that the 2.955" listed in SAAMI specs for both the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC was chosen for a specific reason. My guess is that there is a relatively popular action out there that could not go beyond this length. Certainly the the current Winchester and Browning actions, but I wonder if there are others?
@@jfess1911 Winchester short action accommodates 2.995” OAL since they manufacture ELD ammunition for this round. I do understand what you’re stating. I’m digging through forums and I believe that 2.995” is a typo because SAAMI holds a pretty tight ship. I don’t suspect that they would let 0.04” slip through like that. So I’m going to agree with you that you’re right that some short actions will accommodate the 6.8 western but not all and that 2.955” is going to be difficult to find a short action for.
@@RadDadisRad Link to SAAMI page for the 6.8 Western.
saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/6.8-Western-Public-Introduction-Orig-2020-11-01.pdf
I spent the last 3 weeks trying to figure out what cartridge I wanted my new gun to be, watch a lot of your videos over and over. I like the new 6.8 bullets but just don’t need a magnum round. I like the 6.5’s but again I don’t need the magnum and already have a 6.5 CM build. I’ve never liked the 30 cal rounds so those were out. I have a T/C Icon in 270 and absolutely love that gun and round but it’s standard action. After all the videos I just kept coming back to the 270 win so that’s what I have coming.
Love all the videos and information you put out there.
I look forward to the 7 PRC looks great.
I'm a fan of short actions. 6.8 western for the win. But 308 is still my favorite!
Agreed.
Thank you for your efforts sir!
Priceless
A dozen years ago when I bought my first hunting rifle I struggled for months deciding between 270 win. And 7mm mag. (I live in a western state). This is the same exact battle again in 2022😂. Either way we and (the animal) are lucky with how far ammo technology has come.
Thanks for the update brother 👍. enjoyed it as usual.
Ron, many thanks for your reviews. My favorite cartridge for any American hunt is the 7mm Mag. GAP built my current setup. The built consists of a Bartlein #4 contour barrel, Remington Action, Manners MCS-PRS-1 stock, and Timney Elite trigger. It's about at 13 lbs setup with scope. Not ideal for lugging around Missouri timberland. I will be using the gun now for long-range shooting and my next "all around rifle" will be the 7mm PRC. I can get a lighter rifle, shorter barrel and the same results by going to the 7 PRC. Thanks for the review!
NIce job Ron as always. Enjoy your channel.
Thank you for the great video!
Another excellent and informative video! Thanks.
I hope Browning offers the 6.8 in more rifles, I'd love to see a Browning BAR semi auto available in 6.8 western.
Christensen and others are making them now
Loving my new browning 6.8 Western max long range. just harvested a large bull moose this fall at just over a hundred yards one shot 162 cooper impact and the only two steps he took were backwards. For me the 6.8 is a win because of low recoil. I also have the 300 Win Mag which gave me a dreaded flinch where the 6.8 doesn't like Ron says hunt honest and Shoot Straight
How was the expansion with that bullet?
nice video, and helpful as always, Ron. I am putting together a 6.8 Western right now for my first nice modern hunting rifle. in the past I have used my great grandfather's sporterized M1917 Enfield, so this will be an upgrade, for sure. I will be excited to see how 162gr copper impact and 170gr ABLR will perform out of a suppressed 20" barrel. that said, if I was putting together a long action, the 7 PRC would be the bees knees! two cartridges with similar capabilities with slightly different niches.
I choose 308 for anything in Western NC, but I love ballistics, and geeking out about hunting. I was here last night for the rerun premiere. It worked out as gavintoobe had a premiere at the same time. I love his channel too!
But....but.... what if you see a deer over on the NEXT mountain over and don't feel like walking??? 😀
@@jfess1911 😂 you're lucky to see more than 50 yards in the Appalachian mountains. And the 308 can take a deer from several hundred yards easily. 🎯
@@Ben-ry1py I too grew up in Western NC and had thought of the 308 as a long range cartridge. I remember almost laughing the first time I saw a 7mm Rem Mag and thinking "who on earth would ever shoot that far?"
@@jfess1911 I've never shot or seen a 7mm rem mag. I'm 40, and haven't gotten to hunt much at all as my dad only went a couple times when I was very young. I got my first hunting license a few weeks ago. I've spent untold hours learning more about ballistics and hunting, and I've ended up with all military rounds 223, 7.62x39, and 308 as I'm a practical man. Ammo costs will pretty quickly outpace a well priced firearm, and availability is really good. I'm actually finding that the 7.62x39 is my favored gun for deer, as the 308 is just overkill inside of 100 yards....with good shot placement of course.
I want to spend a while shooting longer ranges with less efficient/powerful rounds before I ever upgrade to a magnum as I want to build really good shooting skills first. Now I just need to find a place I can shoot more than 100 yards! I know there are some around.
Maybe one day I'll get to hunt in the open country!
I feel like they are so close that the availability of ammo will be my deciding factor.
At least with the 6.8 Western I can convert short mag brass to it and still shoot my gun if neither pick up and maintain popularity and ammo as well as brass isn't available. I do not know if there is anything in current production that can be easily converted to 7mm PRC.
@@simplemindedfella Not easily converted. The 300 PRC uses a longer version of the case, but will be a real pain and probably need neck turning after the shoulder is pushed back.
@@jfess1911 Still running into the same problem with the 300 PRC being too new what do you convert into 300 PRC if you can't get it?
facts
@@simplemindedfella 375 Ruger
I shot a 270wsm and 7mm mag for years. Getting a 7mm PRC soon. Love them both.
I would have like to see the comparison with the 6.8 western loaded with the 175 sierra TGK.
Once again, a great comparison video Ron, thank you! One thing that didn’t get discussed is expected barrel life using these two cartridges. Any idea?
Hi Ron, love your videos. I would like to see a comparison between 7mm PRC and 300 win mag someday. Maybe also the 300 PRC. Thanks for all the info and entertainment you put out there.
6.8. The 270 out sells the 280,70-08, and 7mm mag. Staying with the caliber
Support for the 6.8 dropped off. 7mm PRC will take it. Hornady does a good job of marketing and keeping it alive.
@@jonathonvandenberg2535 the military 6.8mm possible adoption may keep it in there, we will have to see
Excellent content as always.
Ron my OCD kicked in when you sat that copper impact down beside the ABLR lol not even in the same conversation..thank you for the content ,one of the most knowledgeable people I have found on the internet.
I like that 7PRC might try one. Im a longtime 7WSM guy 180VLDs at 3100 is tuff to beat
I think I'll wait to see what the 7mm PRC brings in the way of load data. To see if I'll replace or re-barrel my 7mm Rem Mag. Great info as always Ron. Thank you.
hardly worth it unless barrel is ready anyway to be replaced. but understand the want for a new toy or challenge
Still wondering which of these calibers is more durable for the barrel?
And yet,
7mm Rem Mag remains one of my favorite calibers to this day.
😀😀😀
If you notice, Hornady is not making any high bc 6.8\277 bullets. They are not going to make any bullets that don't support themselves. That's what is holding the 6.8 from gaining traction.
More and more are figuring out that Hornady lied about their velocity in order to kill the 6.8 Western.
Per Hornady’s barrel length of 24”, the velocities are about 200 ft/sec slower than what they are advertising. They did this to take out their competition with the Western.
It’s still a terrific round, but their false advertising caused a lot of hunters to purchase the 7 PRC under false pretense.
I will never support Hornady again.
Thank god I don’t use their bullets. Hammer bullets and badlands precision are my to go go.
Long action vs short action and cost I think will be the biggest factors between these two. If you’re fine with a long action and the 7mm PRC isn’t much more expensive, 7mm all day.
If you need a short action maybe for a semi-auto? And price is less, 6.8 all day.
Yeah I think being short action is the winner I think being offered in reasonable barrel length. I hope 6.8western takes off
Great video Mr Ron!
I saw a video claiming the 6.8 western does good in shorter barrels. The difference between a 20' and 26' is only 50fps. I like to see how the 7prc does in short barrels.
Agreed. A short action 6.8 witn a 20 inch barrel and suppressor sounds heavenly
check out gavintoobe. He did two custom builds in 7 prc. One with a 26 or 28 inch barrel and one with a 22 inch barrel. He's got a great channel.
Depending on the load and the rifle that is correct. That may have been one of my videos. I only had the 170gr Winchester Ballistic Tips in factory loads to test and the average velocity difference was 48 fps between the 20 inch and the 26 inch. I like really light rifles if I am going to be hiking all day in the Rockies hunting. I would be curious to see a comparison side by side 20 inch 7mm PRC and 20 inch 6.8 Western.
@@simplemindedfella Yes Sir, it was your video. Your videos are great 👍🏼, I really appreciate all the work you put in for them!
@@JAKesler there's a dude that just built one on TH-cam and its fricking amazing. An accurate beast and very quiet I was shocked! It will be my next build 100% 6.8 for me! I have magnums already
going to be loading some partitions 150 gr for my 6.8 western for whitetail and see how it goes,my farthest shot where I hunt is under 200 yards. the buck I shot last year was 27 yards, bullet entered behind the shoulder deflected inside body and came out the neck on a quartering away shot. so hopefully it'll be better
Another outstanding video!
Ron...love that jacket !
The short action and shorter barrel options make the 6.8 the winner for me. I don't know how some guys go hunting with a 26 inch barrel and a 2 inch brake. To be fair I'm not a tall guy, but I want a mix of capability and portability/balance.
140 partition out of that 7 would be smoking awesome short to medium range game getter I bet
Thanks Ron. Always appreciate your practical perspective. It's crazy how these manufacturers are reinventing the wheel and the uninformed think it's the first wheel EVER! A lot of the people I talk with are mislead by branding and marketing, to the point they disbelieve the actual numbers. Requires a lot of patience to get them to believe their eyes. I love my 6.5 PRC for slight edge in ballistics, but I hate it every time I go to buy a box of ammo and there IS NONE. And beside the empty spot on the shelf for 6.5 PRC sits 6 different kinds of 270 win. Hell, Walmart has 270 on the shelf right NOW! Gotta laugh. I spend $25/box for 270 and $58/box for 6.5 PRC while the drops are literally the same at 500 yards and the deer don't know the difference because the energy is only 100# more. LOL that's what I get.
I think 6.8 western had, and still has, a chance to be an excellent and extremely popular cartridge, but it needs more support. THAT'S the main difference between the 6.8western and the new PRC cartridges, Hornady starts out the gate with massive support and they draw in the early adopters. Without early adopters, no cartridge would have EVER become popular enough to become widespread or "ubiquitous"
There had to be early adopters for all of our old standbys, the .270, the 7mag, the .300win mag, ALL of these rounds had "early" adopters that made these rounds viable to continue supporting and they became huge hits.
Early adoption is what determines a cartridge's success or failure, so discouraging early adoption is basically hoping for these cartridges to fail.
Its pretty much right on par with my 6.5-300 on energy and velocity at 500 yards with slightly more drop. Using a 156 EOL in the Weatherby and a 175 eldx in the 7PRC.
The 7mm PRC barrel will last longer though lol that 6.5-300 WBY is a sweet hot rod though!
Well said Ron! I've killed more big game inside 150yards with 3030 than any of my other rifles. Modern bullet construction has helped it.
Keeping my venerable ol' 300WM thank you very much!
Correction: Ron, the 165 accubond isn't the heaviest factory offering for a hunting load in the 6.8 western. Browning offers a 175gr sierra tipped game king. They're advertised at 2835fps. Ive handloaded them to over 3000fps so far.
How does the BC compare?
@@danielbutcher5836 the 175 game king isn’t as high as the 165 ablr
6.8 for me!
Handloaded, these cartridges have 3grs difference in capacity. The 6.8s velocities are understated. It can achieve 3200fps with 150 and 3100fps with 170. The 6.8 will have better trajectory below 170gr and the 7mm will have better trajectory about 170gr. The 270wsm and 7mm WSM are better cartridges in my opinion when run in appropriate length actions with adequate freebore and twist rate.
Those velocities you stated for the 6.8 Western are gonna put you WAAAY above SAAMI spec max pressure. By the time you see traditional pressure signs in modern actions (especially custom) you’re most likely up around 80,000 PSI vs the SAAMI spec 60,000-68,000 for many cartridges. And the WSMs won’t give you the performance in factory rifles because of what you said, they don’t have enough room to seat the bullets out or the twist rates necessary to stabilize the modern projectiles. The 7mm PRC and 6.8 Western for that matter were designed to provide factory rifle options that would give you the performance that a custom rifle gives you. You just simply can’t do that with older cartridges. Don’t get me wrong I love short mags but these new cartridges (especially the PRC family in my opinion) are very impressive.
I got very interested in the 6.8 western and have been patiently waiting for more offerings. So far all I’ve seen is the xbolt and the Winchester. The 7prc is very interesting as well but it’s still a waiting game for me! I would like to see the 6.8 in a tikka or beggara or some offering that hits that sweet spot for my liking, patience almost always pays off!
I'm in the same boat. Would love a 6.8 bergara!
Unfortunately, I don't think we will see many rifles chambered for 6.8 Western. It's for the simple fact that Winchester is both a manufacturer of ammunition and rifles. Similar to nosler and weatherby. You won't see competitors chambering for each other's pet projects no matter how good they really are. That's where Hornady has the advantage of only producing ammunition and components. The 7 PRC will take off in the coming years much more than the 6.8 western. Which is unfortunate because even I prefer the Western. However, it is a simple barrel change away from any rifle that is chambered for 6.5 PRC or any of the WSM cartridges. Food for thought.
Christensen chambers 6.8 western and a few others
6.8 Western is a complete mike drop on about everything 6.5 to 300. Just buy a Remington 700 action and a decent stock, then custom bartlien barrel with a 1:7.5 twist and 26-29 barrel and you will smoke the dog shit out of any of these 7mms and certainly the 6.5s.
@@dexterlecter7289 hah let me tell you! It does! Only diff is I have a tikka action on my 28” barrel! 165 able over 3000fps. Dumps anything in its tracks!!
Tony was right about db. The reason it is a bizarre scale is in part because we perceive the volume increase as being proportional to the numerical increase, so there is a considerable risk that one will not be aware of the damage that is occurring because we do not experience the noise as the increase in energy, but as the increase in db. So yes, a 3 db increase doubles the energetic effect.
The attenuation of sound is also interesting. For instance, if you had a rifle with a 16 inch barrel vs a 24 inch barrel, the same explosion at the end of each barrel would actually be more than twice as energetic at the end of the 16 in barrel. Of course in the real world, the muzzle blast would also be greater as the powder would burn outside the gun with the shorter barrel. (This example assume your ear is at inch 0 of the barrel, when in reality it is a bit further back, depending on the action. So if the real numbers were 22 and 30 inches from the muzzle, the difference would be 2.7 db reduction, rather than a 3.5 db reduction, where 3 is a doubling. Barrel length is your friend.
Another interesting factor to consider is that the magic number that is so often reported as the db of high powered rifles is 160 db. I noticed this over 40 years of reading the magazines. If you wear muffs that promise a 24 db reduction in sound, that gets the DB under 140, often given as the threshold for permanent hearing loss. A few years ago I was looking for a db meter for my daughter, who was playing in a band, where the teacher had lost her hearing significantly. What did I find? The meters commonly sold only register up to 160 db. Guns can produce significantly louder blast, which is why we hear of people who only once sat next to a muzzle brake shooting friend and lost hearing from that one experience or even shot. If the DB were say 300, as I have heard it can be, but don't have good data, your muffs would not protect you against serious injury to your hearing.
Wish you would of also compared the box of amm in front of you 6.8 162 gr copper impact
6.8 Western is actually a more efficient cartridge than a 7prc. Your velocity to powder ratio is better with that case. Its how short magnums like the rsaum cases and shortened wsm cases are
Ron, the problem with what you said is that Nosler inflates there BC numbers and Hornady doesn't. Therefore in comparing these two bullets the numbers are further apart than it seems
Both really great. I feel as if 7mm PRC has more hype behind it right now. I just worry about buying a 6.8 and not being able to get ammo for it in 15 years
ADG brass is looking to produce brass for the 6.8 Western later on this year. Barnes, Sierra, Berger, Nosler, Winchester, and Browning are all producing high BC, heavy for caliber bullets for the 6.8 Western. It seems things are picking up for the Western in regard to ammo.
Christensen Arms, Fierce, and Seekins are now producing rifles chambered in 6.8 Western as well as Winchester and Browning.
Thank you for the informative video! Where did you get the numbers from? I am really interested at running these numbers myself for all kinds of loads
Alot has changed since both of these cartridges have been compared (projectiles and actual performance vs whats on paper). Would love for Ron to revisit this subject at some point.
As a bowhunter who has never owned a compound bow, I also remain a luddite when it comes to getting starry eyed over the new whiz-bang cartridges. Not being one who has any desire to shoot at game past 30 yards with a bow or 250 yards with a rifle, I'll stick with my old 25-06 for deer and antelope and my 30-06 for anything larger.
How dare you not fall for gimmicks
Oh man I had a 25-06 that thing was a tack driver wish I still had it. I harvested a few black tails with it did the job just fine..
@@whiteyfisk9769 I live on the edge!😄
That shirt is 🔥.
Modern 270 vs 7 mm mag. Hopefully both will do just fine.
Love your videos! Correct me if I'm incorrect! Is the 7mm PRC the same ballistics as the 7mm Weatherby? I'm looking at the MV's and they look very similar! I'm not sure about accuracy and other factors! Thanks!
My favorites are 6mm CM, 257 Roberts, 6.5-06 & 6.5PRC, 270wsm (fast twist), 7 Rem Mag, 300RUM.
.270 WSM fast twist???? LOL that's the 6.8 Western he was literally just talking about. Winchester literally even put the notice out lol hahaha
I finally got my hands on the first 7prc to hit the store shelf in Alaska but it is a Remington so I had to pass, still patiently waiting.
Nice video Ron.
Love them both, want them both, don't need either one LOL
I wonder about barrel life between the two?
All the ballistics of these rounds are so close; the deciding factor for me and my bad back is the recoil. Any chance you could do a video with lower recoil as the primary goal for a 500-yard range elk caliber?
rifle make up and weight is critical not just the cartridge and load
I choose 6.8 western. Won't notice a difference in ballistics but the 6.8 is a short action meaning it will do the same thing in a lighter shorter rifle.
I shoot the 150 eldx in my 7 rem mag for deer. The velocity and fairly high bc bullet are pretty good out west in the wind. They're handloads and hit about 3100 fps.
I’m sticking with my 7x57. It’ll drop anything within ethical hunting distances!
Another big factor for me when comparing these two cartridges is the industry support. 6.8 western has browning and Winchester backing it but little other talk or marketing push. On the other hand Hornady has a list of 15 to 20 different gun manufacturers that will be offering the 7mm prc in their rifles.
Now realistically my 270 win. Has taken everything its been pointed at from 100 to 465 yards, including elk which was the 465 yard shot. Do I really need anything more than that? Probably not. But it is fun to compare and run the numbers.
The owner of gunwerks said when reviewing the new 7mm prc there is always a balance between powder burn/ case capacity, muzzle velocity, and bc. As you push something faster there are higher drag forces that affect the bullet. He also stated that there are points of diminishing returns with certain powder charges and bullet weights. I've seen that in comparing bullets from the same cartridge, often a heavy high bc bullet can only be pushed at say 2800 fps, where a lighter bullet with slightly lower bc out of the same cartridge can be pushed sometimes 150+ fps faster making the extra bc nearly irrelevant at distance. So it is always a balancing act getting the highest velocity possible, with manageable recoil, with good bc. Like you have said the new cartridges are a move forward, but if you already own a 7mm rem mag or something it doesn't change your ability to take game effectively. If you are in the market to either buy a new gun or
Hi Ron I´m from Germany and I have a nice idea for a video: the famous German 8x57 IS. One of the best german calibers with an interesting history. I would be happy if you make a video!
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Very interesting comparison. I would maybe toss a coin on this one. 😂
Hi Ron! Great presentation. I am the proud owner of a 6.5 PRC and am so excited to shoot it both at the range and in the field. Here's my random question of the day; I have a Kimber 8400 Montana in 30-06 and I love it! When I shoot 180 gr bullets through it, i'm lucky to get a 3" group. But, when I switch to 165 gr. bullet, both Nosler Partitions, my groups are consistently around 1-1.5 inches! Why is that?
Too many factors involved to answer that question clearly, and easily.
Some barrels are just fussy, and that's the challenge, whether we're handloading or factory testing. I have rifles on the high end, low end, and somewhere in the middle that are all tack driving joy givers, but for most, that's only with the right formula! I have a Tikka T3 SS in 308 that absolutely refuses to shoot anything less than 180gr rounds. I'm not a loader, so I had to test a lot of ammo with that one. Finally got some decent groups on 180gr, so then I had to test across the brands. It likes Remington. It'll shoot out the bullseye @100yds with those. Each comes with its own personality, therefore it's a process if its finnicky.
I think they are both great choices I use feel that 7mm PC will be picked up by alot more companies I mean there still isn't many rifles chambered in 6.8 western I don't understand why, I think hornadys brand partnership is stronger
I've been watching the 6.8 Western, but I haven't been able to find a single Box of ammo locally anywhere. Frankly I haven't seen any PRC either.
Dang luck for me I have a sportmans warehouse near and they have both. Reload brother
I love learning about all these new, sleek, fast, efficient cartridges, but, as more of them come out, I just stick to the older 20th Century cartridges. I grew up with the idea that a 300 yard deer was a long shot. I have no need to shoot out to 1,000 yards. I love my 30-06 and my .257 Roberts. Now I'm looking at purchasing my next hunting rifle - a 7mm-08. What is interesting is that I'm still young. I'm only 34 years old. Whereas many in my generation are shooting these new cartridges, I am looking back to my grandfather's generation who was born in 1912.
Well if ur buying a new gun why not get a better bc round?
I’ve got both, my whitetail cartridge for anything under 300-400 is still my 7-08 which is fantastic. Anything over and I’ll grab a 6.5 Prc or 7 Prc. I also have a lightweight 6.5 grendel for 300 and in in mountainous terrain. Just harvested a 9 point whitetail with that 7-08 this morning.
If ur getting a 7-08 I’ve had fantastic results with my tikka chambered for it. Couldn’t be happier.
@@Mountain-Man27 ohh ok yeah makes sense I got my deer this year with a 308 but after watching my brother drop a huge mule deer from 598 yards with a 6.8 western I’ve been really wanting to pick one up
@@Mountain-Man27 this is me exactly. I use and love my 7-08. Here in Idaho I use it for Mule deer and have taken a few cow elk with it. However for anything bigger or further than 400, I grab my 6.5 PRC
Easy choice if you consider hornadys recent successes. The 7prc be thriving well after the 6.8 western dies! 6.8 has been out awhile and yet other manufacturers are not loading or chambering for it. Maybe it will survive like the weatherby cartridges but I just don't see it
For someone buying a new hunting rifle both are a great choice but I am not sure if they will be successful in the marketplace. I have always been a fan of the 7 mm rem mag and all 7mms for that matter but these new cartridge really don’t have much advantage until the range gets past 500 yards and the old cartridge’s will probably be cheaper to shoot and more availability of ammo ?