@@TungstenOvergaard true, I say it changes everything for video more than photographery. Strobes are cool but who's really doing that other than studio guys.
I kind of agree, it's not going to be game changer but it will be interesting, ND filters are dead, flash photography is about to get really interesting, video is going to be awesome, no more rolling shutter, yeah high price, but it will eventually come into accessible bodies and that will be awesome, even thought only professionals understand or care about global shutter, any beginner won't care or understand what this camera means
Good timing. I'm sure a number of sports photo folks will be starting to think about the summer Olympics riiiight around the time this starts getting comprehensively reviewed and used real world. I can't say I aspire to own a Sony but lots of credit for constantly pushing forward.
Well, there must be a reason why it was revealed exactly now. And why it's already revealed, but still only on pre-order, with delivery date in spring 2024. Just before Olympics.
0:38 I love the funny bits on this segment for your sponsors and not just tell a boring message. please please consider doing this more often! If you can do small funny sketches doesn’t have to be fancy and doesn’t have to be a separate scene. Just do a nice real fast Segway as long as it’s funny. I know you guys have amazing sense of humour use that you advantage and keep things interesting. Thank you. God bless you guys rock!
Great work from Sony as always. As a wildlife photographer who only shoot stills I won't be getting this as the global shutter doesn't matter to me as much as the 50 mp of the a1. I often crop my images so having more mp is king. Having said that I would definitely like to have the pre capture feature. I was hoping it will come in the firmware update. I guess I will have to wait for the a1ii
@@trustnugget280 They gave some details (new burst replay mode), but said the list was incomplete. So far none of the highly requested stuff (pre-capture, focus stacking) was mentioned and I rather doubt it'll come with an update.
Never thought I could see global shutter full frame camera this quick. Can't wait to see how other camera companies will utilize their own global shutter cameras!
@@Tugela60 Only sony had stacked sensor when the first a9 came out, but other companies followed up, even fujifilm did! Red kommodo already has global shutter and there's a rumor that the canon r1 has global shutter. Sony took the first place but I think others can still make their own.
@@semahj because it will probably lose about a stop of DR unless Sony has invented some sort of dark magic and you typically wouldn’t use a medium format camera for much a global shutter would benefit you
The great and famous Ken Rockwell was there I think. You guys should say hi and feature a quick clip. He’s one of the veterans of your field long before TH-camrs were a thing
The speed boost a really good implementation to make that 120fps usable. But honestly, it feels like they just included it for press. 120fps for 1.6 seconds before the buffer fills? Really? And 11 seconds to clear the card AND you can only use it with Sony approved glass or it's 15fps max? Imagine if Nikon or Canon did that. This community would be asking for blood. Great job on the initial review guys. Love your honesty.
Sony haven't done this type of an event since 2018 which was the launched of the A7iii. Now that they held this event again with the A9-iii having so many photographers there to capture the moving models, they are serious about their new Global Shutter sensor. Back in 2017, not a lot of photographers reviewed the A9 besides Jared Polin, Jason Vong, Ted Forbes, Tony & Chelsea, Dan Watson and a few others. Today, there are more photographers talking about the a9-iii more than ever before. Looking forward to all the review videos and seeing the next revolution in the camera world. I've been waiting for Global Shutter too and I cannot wait to play with the A9-iii. Thanks Petal Pixel.
The 120 FPS is great, especially if it at 24 MP. The Z9 already does that but smaller sized. Since it has the ability to shoot that fast, the buffer needs to be larger. “Another manufacturer” already has internal storage, if they added internal storage, they might could utilize it for the buffer. Either way, the buffer needs to be larger and clear faster. That being said, it seems to be a great tool. I am sure it will do well.
Z9 does 120fps with a smaller size (11mp) and....just jpeg. Also the z9 shouldn't be compared to this since it's way higher megapixels. Different category.
A built in SSD would really help with that. I'm surprised that Sony didn't offer that as an option on these cameras considering that the amounts of data being transferred are overwhelming even for CF-Express Type A cards.
The limitations of cfexpress type A are going to be a significant handicap, in practice. Starting with half the data lanes, then using the previous (slower) standard for the lanes that remain are a really unfortunate choice. External ssd may help, IFF they've implemented USB 4. But then you lose the size benefits of type A ... would have been much simpler to just pick cfexpress type B 4.0 to begin with. Like building a next gen race car, then choosing to use bicycle tires instead.
13:20 The A7Rv was less noisy that the A9iii in both pictures, especially at 20,000iso. I imagine dynamic range will be better on the A7Rv too. The cameras of course are designed two completely different things. I imagine the A1ii will be a compromise of both, but hardly 'worse' than either.
It certainly is better especially when you consider the extra megapixels too. I also imagine dynamic range will be better but hopefully we will find out in a short time
It’s weird how people are upset at canon for not currently having third party lenses with autofocus, while being okay with Sony crippling third party lens speed. They are both trying to cripple non first party glass. They’re just using different methods. Both should be unacceptable.
Completely different approaches. Canon is clearly trying to keep the "mirrorless" tax high as if consumers would be happy to downgrade to DSLRs. Canon and Nikon clearly expected to command luxury prices on mirrorless lenses - and a monopoly on those lenses - while providing mediocre to good bodies, much like the DSLR era. Sony fliipped the script and knew building a lens catalog by themselves was suicidal. But the 3rd party lens cooperation lead to three beneficial aspects: 1) they completely overrran the competition on mirrorless glass and now are the 800 lb gorilla 2) they have completely disrupted the lens first profit model of the competition and have put them in a very bad position 3) they have generated a lot fo goodwill with consumers and 3rd parties. It is far easier to handle the high speed caps on 3rd party lenses when their lenses provice excellent value and performance. We - the comsumers - get why. As for Canon and Nikon: we know their game and it's "you must pay a huge luxury tax on everything and we are the only game in town." The rage is real. And deserved.
@@mengshunCanon is 100% fine lmao. They literally can't make enough lenses to fill the demand for them right now. Want a 100-300L f/2.8? (a ~$10K lens) You're gonna be waiting a few months for the *privilege* of buying one. Canon's RF L lenses have been excellent with few exceptions. Canon is a lens company that makes cameras, Sony is an electronics company that happens to make cameras and lenses. It's a very different business model.
As usual another great review. Coming from a guy who will never need a camera that good and that expensive, by the time the global shutter comes down to my price 2-3k I will not be around or be able to pick up a camera, yep, I’m old. Btw would have been better u not mention the photo bomb unless we saw them actually walk into the shot. Without saying anything that would have shown a very unprofessional move. No need to point it out we’re pretty smart out here.
I shoot live theatre under LED light and this is the holy grail camera: Fully silent shooting with no banding from LED flicker. It won't replace my R6 which still gets the job done with the mechanical shutter, but it's nice to know that it finally exists.
Brightness and color can still change frame-to-frame with LED light, especially at faster shutter speeds (hence the camera still has flicker detection/adjustment) But at least it will be as uniform across the frame as it is in real life
Thoroughly informative good work, congratulations! I look forward to further analysis! I would be very interested in the topic of heating and the noise and sensitivity of the FX3 comparison. Good work!
The A9iii is definitely a game changer for both photography and video. Knowing Sony tends to pass down high end features to the cheaper models, will we see a global shutter for Sony's APS-C cameras? If anyone can find a way to do it, It's Sony. Bringing global shutter to more budget friendly cameras would be a huge change for the mirrorless world. I'm shooting with the Sony FX30 now. And I've been looking at other brands like Panasonic for what they've been doing with their new models. But, now that Sony once again is flexing some real innovative muscle, I am tempted to stick with them to see what comes next.
I remember the days when a cmos sensors and rolling shutter was considered innovative. Now the old global shutter making a comeback is considered innovative. 😅
small point: in the video banding and flickering are mixed up (which happens often, as they result from the same phenomenon, a flickering light source) - banding comes from a sequential readout of the lines of the sensor, so a global shutter should be, per principle, free of any banding. the camera has an anti-flickering function, which detects flickering and then exposes at the peak of the flicker, suppressing variation of exposure between images (not within images, that's the banding noted before).
High-ISO performance actually looks pretty good. That's not surprising though, given this camera is aimed at sports shooters (including indoor sports).
I think Sony should implement an internal ssd for this camera, or at least a new grip that has one. This would solve the buffer issue or at least bypass it😮
The giant step that camera's have made the last couple of years, makes us a bit spoilt!! If you can not be satisfied with the current models for some time, then someone is really spoilt to the bone in my opinion. Camera's will get better and better. But with this speed it's getting a bit out of control to name it like that. Went from a 1DX to a R3. Amazing this step forward and I'am very happy with it. Don't lett the madness grab you!!
What a killer camera. Its really unfortunate that Sony wants to hold back their buffer with CFexpress type A. While my Z8 doesnt shoot 120fps raw, its got the same buffer of around 120~ photos before the buffer fills, but the CFExpress type B will clear the buffer in just over a second.
As a camera operator who occasionally works in photography a camera like this was ALMOST enough to make me want to upgrade. It's really nice this oversamples to 4k rather than line skipping but why no 6k OCXN lite Raw similar to the Canon R5 or Nikon Z9. Those card write issues seem suspicious and the limiting of third party lens compatability will end up confusing. Most aputures don't open and close on shutter release these days so I can't see why this would be an issue. I hope 2025 will bring this exact sensor into a prosumer video specialised body one day. None the less, it's very impressive, I can see the technology's potential.
Cos of RED's douchey patent wars. Canon gets a free pass because RED uses RF mount. Nikon just won (not technically, but practically) against RED and managed to keep their proprietary RAW format. Sony lost to RED the last time they got sued for having internal compressed RAW. Sony could totally copy BM and release S-RAW or something with partial debayering/denoising but perhaps the market isn't big enough for them to do R&D for a new format.
@@professionalpotato4764 Sony's new Burano does internal OCXN LT internally, I don't know if they paid RED license fee for that though. Good point about Canon's RF mount, I hadn't thought about that.
Shame about the 15fps limitation, though as a hobby event photog I obviously value 3rd party lenses much more, and I do understand fully that I'm very much NOT the target audience. I'm okay with my A7III and A7S. I'm pretty much priced out of the newer, more capable bodies at this point. (But I'd LOVE a global shutter nevertheless.)
Honestly, 15FPS is plenty fast enough for most use cases. For the average hobbyist, you don't need to spam to get the shot as our livelihoods don't depend on that money shot. But yes, faster is always better for the rare moments you need it.
@@Randi-h5q Paying $6,000 for 120FPS and then having to spend $2500+ per lens for fast teles (this camera is going to be used mostly with long lenses) to get to use that rate bites. And that doesn't count probably $2,000, for fast memory cards. I'm going to pass on this one.
As a Nikon shooter for sports, action, wildlife, I embrace this (and am just a tiny bit jealous). I agree, that this is currently a niche camera and more a "proof of concept" camera (i.e. Sony being first with a consumer directed, full frame, global sensor/shutter. Bravo. Seriously, who is going to buy the power pack to support flash at 1/80,000th of a second for $17K? The interesting thing remains why the higher base ISO - we know the speculation - and the limitations of CFE A type cards etc. All said, though, it pushes the industry and that's a good thing if you want the advantages (i.e. dropping sync speed restrictions - for the most part). Global Sensor was on my wish list for the Nikon Z9 before it was released. I was told "that's far off" - Not so far, was it? ;-) Thanks for your review, as always, tremendous production value and data here. Always appreciated for keeping it entertaining and real.
Great preview! It’s exciting and kept thinking it would be a great sports tool. As an all-rounder, there are lots of questions. The base ISO of 250. Dynamic Range. Color Depth. Lack of features for third party glass. That’s a huge one. But it’s a step in the right direction. And a big one. The video from the Panasonic G9 II looks great! My next camera ❤ Hope you had some time to enjoy my home!
@@Bayonet1809 Basically, how many shades of color can a pixel gather. For instance, there are at least 99 shades of what is defined as the color 'red'. So if you paint them all side by side from dark to light, it would look very smooth. If you had 10 shades of red, it would look very blocky. You would see where each shade started and ended. For photography where that matters most (portraits, wildlife, landscapes), pixel depth is hugely and sometimes the most important factor. Mostly because we know what these things look like. We know when these things look 'off'. I can tell when a portrait was taken with a camera with great PD and one that wasn't. Skin tones. But cameras are so damn good these days, it really takes the discerning eye to see the difference. Most clients don't see the difference. While I'm one of those people who can, I choose the Panasonic G9. It doesn't do anything at "the best" level. But as an all-arounder, it's fantastic. I shoot fashion, events, street... LOVE using that camera. I know an extremely successful commercial photographer that uses m43 as his primary camera (an Olympus OM-1). But he has a $50k Phase One Medium Format camera for his personal work. Because he can tell the difference. And a camera I may consider getting myself someday for the same reason. The technology of this new Sony is quite fantastic. But as Sony stated and the inclusion of an ethernet port is an obvious clue, this is geared for professional sports photographers. If this is what I shot, I'd seriously be looking at the camera....
@@ricardorgomez That's bit depth, not pixel depth. And it's a 14 bit sensor, already stated. Just like all other modern full frames. You only drop to 12 bit RAWs for lossy compressed. But lossless and uncompressed is 14 bit.
Beautiful NY city too funny 😂😝🤔 central park yes lol 🤪 and thanks much I look forward to your full review next year as well and dude you can box believe me I used to do it and you've got great timing and rhythm. Good thing you're nothing but a lover now 😂😊❤ I also wish the speed booster photography feature also worked for video as in a new way to use shutter angle lol ❤
@@seanbirtwistle649 im providing 40fps RAW now and theyre overjoyed. when i do it myself ive got a quick workflow. and sometimes i switch to 20fps. i only do RAW no jpeg unless required for quick turnaround.
@@seanbirtwistle649 2 hours max including edits. i skip through the images finding the ones that tells a story and is captivating. i end up with at most 20 images i like edit and submit.
Yes, this changes EVERYTHING! After the announcement of the camera even my name was different!!! It will take some time to gettting used to a new first name and new last name, but I'll manage. Also, all the gear in my camera bag changed. I could go on, but you can guess how it will continue. Amazing that really EVERYTHING changed!!!
Chris, did you look long before choosing a shit-stained section of a wall to stand in front for the video? 10 feet in either direction... It's a talent!
A global shutter has been rumored for the Canon R1 since Canon has repeatedly said they wouldn't launch the R1 until they had something "game-changing" enough. I think this announcement is Sony realizing Canon was actually serious and Sony wanted to get ahead of the media cycle. Of course the A9iii was always going to have a GS, I'm just saying why they announced it 6 months early is because they realized Canon was coming to the party as well.
When the global shutter captures immediate light information across the entire sensor, how does it function when dealing with flashing strobe lights at a high shutter speed in video recording? Or slow motion with low incandescent lights with slow shutter speed?
Jake von CVP seems to find a second Base in slog3 at ISO 6400 with the same noise like Base ISO 2000. Also the pictures Fro takes looks really good - so the IQ is maybe pretty good for a gs sensor.
Can the Boost mode be configured to something other than 120fps? 30/60 fps would be plenty for most applications and the buffer would last more than 1 second.
Did you guys notice the jpg stills images are rendering the colors very differently? That's interesting .. thought usually Sony tries to get all their cameras dialed in similarly.
@AuthenticPioneer You are right that we photographers use any camera as a tool. But excuse me if I don't agree that cheap is good for professionals, because I have met many photographers who use not only the best cameras, but also the most expensive cameras for clients. And this is a necessary thing, firstly to provide the best cutting-edge technology and secondly to appreciate our customers. By the way, I've heard a lot of complaints from customers who know cameras on the market if you end up shooting with a consumer one. Maybe it's the clients you have, but professional businesses usually don't make art primarily, but they do provide top-notch images.
Not having continuous autofocus above 1/16,000 shutter speed seems odd considering the A1 can do 1/32,000 with no problems at all. The A1 also seems to have a deeper buffer if the A9II gets only 140~ shots before its full. The A1 I think gets over 150 even with twice the resolution.
Its time for Sony to stop the frames per second limitation of 15 fps that they put on third part glass. It was ok when the A9 shot 20 fps and the 3rd party glass did slightly less. Or when the A1 did 30 fps and 3rd party glass did 50% the speed. But Sony cannot expect people to spend 6000 dollars on a camera that shoots 120 fps. And everyone with there 3rd party glass on gets 15 fps. That is crazy. Sony needs to at least make it 60 fps for the A9lll. But in my opinion its time for Sony to enable 3rd party glass to shoot the same fps as the Sony glass. And Sony should also enable focus breathing compinsation for 3rd party glass. Sony needs to appreciate the fact that the availability of 3rd party glass for Sony cameras has gotten thousands of people to switch from Canon and Nikon to Sony. So its time for Sony to enable 3rd party glass to do every thing the same as the Sony glass.
Announcing this camera this early probably as an attempt to punch Canon, they most likely release their R1 with global shutter as well. I honestly expected global shutter to come in micro 4/3 cameras first, but here we are. I wish Sony implements external ssd recording with photo and video, it makes so much sense here.
The next revolution in photography after the removal of mirror will be the removal of mechanical shutter from all full frame mirrorless cameras .Full frame cameras will be even smaller lighter and more reliable since nothng is moving in front of the sensor. I wouldnt say cheaper though.
What I am looking most forward to in your full review is the composite raw feature. You talked in the Podcast this week about computational photography in cameras this seems to be a first step in that direction for Sony even though you still have to process these Files in Imagine Edge Desktop.
Manu videos with the same title: this chanced everything. But I think that stacked sensor are already so great, that I don't think photos will be too different than those of the past. I personally don't care too much about videos.
Z8 is 50% cheaper, does gorgeous 8k 12bit raw @ 60p internal and oversampled 4k prores HQ @60p... and 20fps 45mp raw pics. How often and for how long does someone need more than 20fps 45mp raw photos? The A7S3's 12mp sensor for $3.5k or the 24mp A9III for $6k camera in 2023? Resolution is not everything but it sure is nice when you want to crop or print big prints.
I hope cameras in the near future will allow for connecting external SSDs via 2nd USB-C for quicker write speeds. Might require more juice, but I'm sure they can make a workaround.
Interesting test subject at 16:35! Career choices... Also a surprisingly good advert for the G9II - any more news on its low-ISO DR??? Would Chris swap his AK47 (err, sorry, GH5) for one???
those are very expensive cameras , i think now it's time for consumer market to experience it ,thats why many are excited , no more warping etc esp for sports and wildlife photographers which GS benefits more . for those who can't afford GS at least stack cmos will be most welcome esp when sensor and cpu speed is increasing with less rolling shutter
When this technology reaches the $2000 bodies it will REALLY change everything
Wrong. Professionals can afford it. It's a tax write-off.
And the rental market for this will be huge.
And not everything. Is game changing for 99% of photography? NO.
@@AllisonRoadWest ur like really good at contributing nothing to the conversation then what people already know
@@TungstenOvergaard true, I say it changes everything for video more than photographery. Strobes are cool but who's really doing that other than studio guys.
I kind of agree, it's not going to be game changer but it will be interesting, ND filters are dead, flash photography is about to get really interesting, video is going to be awesome, no more rolling shutter, yeah high price, but it will eventually come into accessible bodies and that will be awesome, even thought only professionals understand or care about global shutter, any beginner won't care or understand what this camera means
Good timing. I'm sure a number of sports photo folks will be starting to think about the summer Olympics riiiight around the time this starts getting comprehensively reviewed and used real world. I can't say I aspire to own a Sony but lots of credit for constantly pushing forward.
Well, there must be a reason why it was revealed exactly now. And why it's already revealed, but still only on pre-order, with delivery date in spring 2024. Just before Olympics.
Sports? independent film shooting will enjoy the Global shutter. But the price is too much high. $1000 is the right price.
@@Smarthalayla 😂 Yeah, everybody wants Ferrari that is priced the same as small family car... 🤦🏻♂
@@Stasiek_Zabojca
No. I already have one.
0:38 I love the funny bits on this segment for your sponsors and not just tell a boring message. please please consider doing this more often! If you can do small funny sketches doesn’t have to be fancy and doesn’t have to be a separate scene. Just do a nice real fast Segway as long as it’s funny. I know you guys have amazing sense of humour use that you advantage and keep things interesting. Thank you. God bless you guys rock!
Lot more information in this video than others. Really appreciate the details included!
Great work from Sony as always. As a wildlife photographer who only shoot stills I won't be getting this as the global shutter doesn't matter to me as much as the 50 mp of the a1. I often crop my images so having more mp is king. Having said that I would definitely like to have the pre capture feature. I was hoping it will come in the firmware update. I guess I will have to wait for the a1ii
Firmware update for the a1? Nada, nothing, zilch. And that is why I will never buy another flagship camera from Sony again.
@@TheOneMonkit’s coming next March/ April…it was announced
@@TheOneMonkDid they say what it will encompass?
@@trustnugget280 They gave some details (new burst replay mode), but said the list was incomplete. So far none of the highly requested stuff (pre-capture, focus stacking) was mentioned and I rather doubt it'll come with an update.
Global shutter means you don't need a physical shutter.
The girl at 14:21 really did not know what to think of Jordan’s extreme speed
Never thought I could see global shutter full frame camera this quick. Can't wait to see how other camera companies will utilize their own global shutter cameras!
Since only Sony has the sensor, don't hold your breath 😂
@@Tugela60 Only sony had stacked sensor when the first a9 came out, but other companies followed up, even fujifilm did! Red kommodo already has global shutter and there's a rumor that the canon r1 has global shutter. Sony took the first place but I think others can still make their own.
@@Tugela60 Nikon uses Sony sensors, might see it on a Nikon Z6III
@@zzap6478 doubt it, the Z6 is a much lower cost body. I don't see this making it to cheaper bodies for a while.
@@zzap6478 You genuinely think they're going to put a sensor like this into their $2000ish mid-market enthusiast body?
I must say: Beautiful colors in this video, Jordan!
cant wait til global shutter comes to medium format
Why?
why not lol
@@semahj because it will probably lose about a stop of DR unless Sony has invented some sort of dark magic and you typically wouldn’t use a medium format camera for much a global shutter would benefit you
@@nielsrudnik if what you’re shooting is well lit I’ll take a stop in dynamic range
The great and famous Ken Rockwell was there I think. You guys should say hi and feature a quick clip. He’s one of the veterans of your field long before TH-camrs were a thing
Love this duo for camera reviews!!! Thank you for the company!!!! I have been here since the camera Store! 🤩
The speed boost a really good implementation to make that 120fps usable. But honestly, it feels like they just included it for press. 120fps for 1.6 seconds before the buffer fills? Really? And 11 seconds to clear the card AND you can only use it with Sony approved glass or it's 15fps max? Imagine if Nikon or Canon did that. This community would be asking for blood. Great job on the initial review guys. Love your honesty.
Sony haven't done this type of an event since 2018 which was the launched of the A7iii. Now that they held this event again with the A9-iii having so many photographers there to capture the moving models, they are serious about their new Global Shutter sensor. Back in 2017, not a lot of photographers reviewed the A9 besides Jared Polin, Jason Vong, Ted Forbes, Tony & Chelsea, Dan Watson and a few others. Today, there are more photographers talking about the a9-iii more than ever before. Looking forward to all the review videos and seeing the next revolution in the camera world. I've been waiting for Global Shutter too and I cannot wait to play with the A9-iii. Thanks Petal Pixel.
I'm dieing...🤣 That KEH sponsor at the beginning.
The 120 FPS is great, especially if it at 24 MP. The Z9 already does that but smaller sized. Since it has the ability to shoot that fast, the buffer needs to be larger. “Another manufacturer” already has internal storage, if they added internal storage, they might could utilize it for the buffer. Either way, the buffer needs to be larger and clear faster. That being said, it seems to be a great tool. I am sure it will do well.
Agreed, internal storage would make a lot of sense on this camera. I'm surprised that Sony doesn't offer it as an option.
Z9 does 120fps with a smaller size (11mp) and....just jpeg. Also the z9 shouldn't be compared to this since it's way higher megapixels. Different category.
A9iii looks impressive. The size of the buffer and the speed of clearing the buffer is definitely a big limitation.
A built in SSD would really help with that. I'm surprised that Sony didn't offer that as an option on these cameras considering that the amounts of data being transferred are overwhelming even for CF-Express Type A cards.
The limitations of cfexpress type A are going to be a significant handicap, in practice. Starting with half the data lanes, then using the previous (slower) standard for the lanes that remain are a really unfortunate choice. External ssd may help, IFF they've implemented USB 4. But then you lose the size benefits of type A ... would have been much simpler to just pick cfexpress type B 4.0 to begin with.
Like building a next gen race car, then choosing to use bicycle tires instead.
This seems like an odd decision to hamstring a camera that shoots this fast
Thay can add an 8 GB RAM as buffer, like mobile phones..stupid camera companies.
Nice video and review of great product. Also I am quite amazed how Chris managed to get Hugh Brownstone as his shadow (15:55). Neat 👍
@9:18 Cliff stumbled into your shot lol ---- I love Cliff lol
That ergonomic shape change looks way more like a Nikon.
I liked the FedEx product placement. Jordan bringing Hollywood methods to in-video advertising 😂
i love the guy from profoto is always at these events, saw him yesterday on stage
13:20 The A7Rv was less noisy that the A9iii in both pictures, especially at 20,000iso. I imagine dynamic range will be better on the A7Rv too. The cameras of course are designed two completely different things. I imagine the A1ii will be a compromise of both, but hardly 'worse' than either.
It certainly is better especially when you consider the extra megapixels too. I also imagine dynamic range will be better but hopefully we will find out in a short time
I don't think this will touch the dynamic range of the a7rv or A1. But still good to see new tech.
The a9 cameras have always been about speed over all else, they have never had great DR or resolution compared to other Sony cameras
It’s weird how people are upset at canon for not currently having third party lenses with autofocus, while being okay with Sony crippling third party lens speed.
They are both trying to cripple non first party glass. They’re just using different methods.
Both should be unacceptable.
Completely different approaches. Canon is clearly trying to keep the "mirrorless" tax high as if consumers would be happy to downgrade to DSLRs. Canon and Nikon clearly expected to command luxury prices on mirrorless lenses - and a monopoly on those lenses - while providing mediocre to good bodies, much like the DSLR era. Sony fliipped the script and knew building a lens catalog by themselves was suicidal. But the 3rd party lens cooperation lead to three beneficial aspects: 1) they completely overrran the competition on mirrorless glass and now are the 800 lb gorilla 2) they have completely disrupted the lens first profit model of the competition and have put them in a very bad position 3) they have generated a lot fo goodwill with consumers and 3rd parties. It is far easier to handle the high speed caps on 3rd party lenses when their lenses provice excellent value and performance. We - the comsumers - get why. As for Canon and Nikon: we know their game and it's "you must pay a huge luxury tax on everything and we are the only game in town." The rage is real. And deserved.
@@mengshunCanon is 100% fine lmao. They literally can't make enough lenses to fill the demand for them right now. Want a 100-300L f/2.8? (a ~$10K lens) You're gonna be waiting a few months for the *privilege* of buying one. Canon's RF L lenses have been excellent with few exceptions. Canon is a lens company that makes cameras, Sony is an electronics company that happens to make cameras and lenses. It's a very different business model.
Great video! Already very curious about image quality
Oh yea. Talking about a Panasonic G9 11 at a SONY unveiling event. Good job as always guys. Never disappoints.
Now I don't have to explain my love for an old Nikon D3000 with CCD-sensor anymore; it's got 'global shutter' analogous to the new Sony A9III.
As usual another great review. Coming from a guy who will never need a camera that good and that expensive, by the time the global shutter comes down to my price 2-3k I will not be around or be able to pick up a camera, yep, I’m old. Btw would have been better u not mention the photo bomb unless we saw them actually walk into the shot. Without saying anything that would have shown a very unprofessional move. No need to point it out we’re pretty smart out here.
Whaaaaa, this is the gym I go to, lol. Wish I would've come that day. Great review!!!
Can't wait to hear your review on dynamic range and hi iso
I remember how we used to fantasize about global shutter a few years ago, and now it is finally here! The future is now!
Yeah! The G9ii is in service and doing a great job! (Mine arrives in a few days. Can't wait.)
Would be nice to see examples of problems solved by this camera. ( beside the rolling shutter)
yes, for a video titled "this changes everything" I feel this should have been the main focus...
I shoot live theatre under LED light and this is the holy grail camera: Fully silent shooting with no banding from LED flicker. It won't replace my R6 which still gets the job done with the mechanical shutter, but it's nice to know that it finally exists.
Brightness and color can still change frame-to-frame with LED light, especially at faster shutter speeds (hence the camera still has flicker detection/adjustment)
But at least it will be as uniform across the frame as it is in real life
Thoroughly informative good work, congratulations! I look forward to further analysis! I would be very interested in the topic of heating and the noise and sensitivity of the FX3 comparison. Good work!
The A9iii is definitely a game changer for both photography and video. Knowing Sony tends to pass down high end features to the cheaper models, will we see a global shutter for Sony's APS-C cameras? If anyone can find a way to do it, It's Sony. Bringing global shutter to more budget friendly cameras would be a huge change for the mirrorless world.
I'm shooting with the Sony FX30 now. And I've been looking at other brands like Panasonic for what they've been doing with their new models. But, now that Sony once again is flexing some real innovative muscle, I am tempted to stick with them to see what comes next.
I remember the days when a cmos sensors and rolling shutter was considered innovative. Now the old global shutter making a comeback is considered innovative. 😅
small point: in the video banding and flickering are mixed up (which happens often, as they result from the same phenomenon, a flickering light source) - banding comes from a sequential readout of the lines of the sensor, so a global shutter should be, per principle, free of any banding. the camera has an anti-flickering function, which detects flickering and then exposes at the peak of the flicker, suppressing variation of exposure between images (not within images, that's the banding noted before).
Stocked to see you guys over here!
High-ISO performance actually looks pretty good. That's not surprising though, given this camera is aimed at sports shooters (including indoor sports).
Damn! I want this for the Corn movie I'm planning to make. I won''t ever miss a frame in that whole 3 minutes.
I think Sony should implement an internal ssd for this camera, or at least a new grip that has one. This would solve the buffer issue or at least bypass it😮
The giant step that camera's have made the last couple of years, makes us a bit spoilt!! If you can not be satisfied with the current models for some time, then someone is really spoilt to the bone in my opinion. Camera's will get better and better. But with this speed it's getting a bit out of control to name it like that. Went from a 1DX to a R3. Amazing this step forward and I'am very happy with it. Don't lett the madness grab you!!
Some fast panning shots would be best to show the real effect of global shutter.
As true Canadians I’d love to see a test of shooting hockey, which may be one of the toughest sports to capture. Cheers guys, love your work!
Nevermind Sony, are you guys being allowed to do the hilarious drinking review lookback with PetaPixel? 🙂 I'll now look at the video.
Planning it right now!
- Jordan
that g9 yall filmed this episode on is looking nice
What a killer camera. Its really unfortunate that Sony wants to hold back their buffer with CFexpress type A. While my Z8 doesnt shoot 120fps raw, its got the same buffer of around 120~ photos before the buffer fills, but the CFExpress type B will clear the buffer in just over a second.
Not even considering Sony until they switch to Type B. It's just silly at this point.
Only if you are a single card shooter.
As a camera operator who occasionally works in photography a camera like this was ALMOST enough to make me want to upgrade.
It's really nice this oversamples to 4k rather than line skipping but why no 6k OCXN lite Raw similar to the Canon R5 or Nikon Z9.
Those card write issues seem suspicious and the limiting of third party lens compatability will end up confusing. Most aputures don't open and close on shutter release these days so I can't see why this would be an issue.
I hope 2025 will bring this exact sensor into a prosumer video specialised body one day.
None the less, it's very impressive, I can see the technology's potential.
Cos of RED's douchey patent wars. Canon gets a free pass because RED uses RF mount. Nikon just won (not technically, but practically) against RED and managed to keep their proprietary RAW format. Sony lost to RED the last time they got sued for having internal compressed RAW. Sony could totally copy BM and release S-RAW or something with partial debayering/denoising but perhaps the market isn't big enough for them to do R&D for a new format.
@@professionalpotato4764 Sony's new Burano does internal OCXN LT internally, I don't know if they paid RED license fee for that though.
Good point about Canon's RF mount, I hadn't thought about that.
Angle of the volleyball net shot, very nice Jordan.
Shame about the 15fps limitation, though as a hobby event photog I obviously value 3rd party lenses much more, and I do understand fully that I'm very much NOT the target audience. I'm okay with my A7III and A7S. I'm pretty much priced out of the newer, more capable bodies at this point. (But I'd LOVE a global shutter nevertheless.)
Honestly, 15FPS is plenty fast enough for most use cases. For the average hobbyist, you don't need to spam to get the shot as our livelihoods don't depend on that money shot. But yes, faster is always better for the rare moments you need it.
@@Randi-h5q Paying $6,000 for 120FPS and then having to spend $2500+ per lens for fast teles (this camera is going to be used mostly with long lenses) to get to use that rate bites. And that doesn't count probably $2,000, for fast memory cards.
I'm going to pass on this one.
Great to see T&C 👍🏻😊
As a Nikon shooter for sports, action, wildlife, I embrace this (and am just a tiny bit jealous). I agree, that this is currently a niche camera and more a "proof of concept" camera (i.e. Sony being first with a consumer directed, full frame, global sensor/shutter. Bravo. Seriously, who is going to buy the power pack to support flash at 1/80,000th of a second for $17K? The interesting thing remains why the higher base ISO - we know the speculation - and the limitations of CFE A type cards etc. All said, though, it pushes the industry and that's a good thing if you want the advantages (i.e. dropping sync speed restrictions - for the most part). Global Sensor was on my wish list for the Nikon Z9 before it was released. I was told "that's far off" - Not so far, was it? ;-) Thanks for your review, as always, tremendous production value and data here. Always appreciated for keeping it entertaining and real.
Great review. Looking forward to seeing DR test results.
Great preview! It’s exciting and kept thinking it would be a great sports tool. As an all-rounder, there are lots of questions. The base ISO of 250. Dynamic Range. Color Depth. Lack of features for third party glass. That’s a huge one.
But it’s a step in the right direction. And a big one. The video from the Panasonic G9 II looks great! My next camera ❤
Hope you had some time to enjoy my home!
What do you mean by "Pixel Depth"? Do you mean full well capacity?
@@Bayonet1809 Basically, how many shades of color can a pixel gather. For instance, there are at least 99 shades of what is defined as the color 'red'. So if you paint them all side by side from dark to light, it would look very smooth. If you had 10 shades of red, it would look very blocky. You would see where each shade started and ended.
For photography where that matters most (portraits, wildlife, landscapes), pixel depth is hugely and sometimes the most important factor. Mostly because we know what these things look like. We know when these things look 'off'. I can tell when a portrait was taken with a camera with great PD and one that wasn't. Skin tones.
But cameras are so damn good these days, it really takes the discerning eye to see the difference. Most clients don't see the difference. While I'm one of those people who can, I choose the Panasonic G9. It doesn't do anything at "the best" level. But as an all-arounder, it's fantastic. I shoot fashion, events, street... LOVE using that camera. I know an extremely successful commercial photographer that uses m43 as his primary camera (an Olympus OM-1). But he has a $50k Phase One Medium Format camera for his personal work. Because he can tell the difference. And a camera I may consider getting myself someday for the same reason.
The technology of this new Sony is quite fantastic. But as Sony stated and the inclusion of an ethernet port is an obvious clue, this is geared for professional sports photographers. If this is what I shot, I'd seriously be looking at the camera....
@@ricardorgomez That's bit depth, not pixel depth. And it's a 14 bit sensor, already stated. Just like all other modern full frames. You only drop to 12 bit RAWs for lossy compressed. But lossless and uncompressed is 14 bit.
Beautiful NY city too funny 😂😝🤔 central park yes lol 🤪 and thanks much I look forward to your full review next year as well and dude you can box believe me I used to do it and you've got great timing and rhythm. Good thing you're nothing but a lover now 😂😊❤
I also wish the speed booster photography feature also worked for video as in a new way to use shutter angle lol ❤
as a sports photographer the 120fps is cool but id be more impressed if i can get 60fps no buffering. doesnt seem like the buffer is big enough.
might be able too with jpegs. whoever is curating the photos won't be as impressed though
@@seanbirtwistle649 im providing 40fps RAW now and theyre overjoyed. when i do it myself ive got a quick workflow. and sometimes i switch to 20fps. i only do RAW no jpeg unless required for quick turnaround.
@@seanbirtwistle649 i take 6000-8000 photos a game. soccer or rugby.
@@truthseeker6804 that's roughly 6hrs of curating right?
@@seanbirtwistle649 2 hours max including edits. i skip through the images finding the ones that tells a story and is captivating. i end up with at most 20 images i like edit and submit.
thank you for taking a picture with the camera, truly changed everything!!!
Waiting for the A7SIV with the global shutter :)
2:43 - exposure happens all at once, the charges are transferred, and readout is still in sequence.
Yes, this changes EVERYTHING! After the announcement of the camera even my name was different!!! It will take some time to gettting used to a new first name and new last name, but I'll manage. Also, all the gear in my camera bag changed. I could go on, but you can guess how it will continue. Amazing that really EVERYTHING changed!!!
global shutter was my top of my list..but, can we close down its shutter angle? lets say to 90º or to 45º ?
Chris, did you look long before choosing a shit-stained section of a wall to stand in front for the video? 10 feet in either direction... It's a talent!
can't wait to see what is in store for the A1 Mark II
LOL - Northrups photobomb! Love it!
Is the sensor "open" like the hasselblads, or is there a curtain for protection?
A global shutter has been rumored for the Canon R1 since Canon has repeatedly said they wouldn't launch the R1 until they had something "game-changing" enough. I think this announcement is Sony realizing Canon was actually serious and Sony wanted to get ahead of the media cycle. Of course the A9iii was always going to have a GS, I'm just saying why they announced it 6 months early is because they realized Canon was coming to the party as well.
When the global shutter captures immediate light information across the entire sensor, how does it function when dealing with flashing strobe lights at a high shutter speed in video recording? Or slow motion with low incandescent lights with slow shutter speed?
Jake von CVP seems to find a second Base in slog3 at ISO 6400 with the same noise like Base ISO 2000. Also the pictures Fro takes looks really good - so the IQ is maybe pretty good for a gs sensor.
Really exciting! It's a shame that Sony is stubbornly sticking to Type A cards for no good reason when data transfer is a bottleneck.
Can the Boost mode be configured to something other than 120fps? 30/60 fps would be plenty for most applications and the buffer would last more than 1 second.
Yes absolutely.
Do you have any sample photos from when the people were twirling the staff ? Curious to see how fast shutter really is
I have an X-T3 and I am tempted, but man the Fuji colours ;)
Did you guys notice the jpg stills images are rendering the colors very differently? That's interesting .. thought usually Sony tries to get all their cameras dialed in similarly.
They've never done that. They always progressively update the colours.
The pany boy G9 is looking good omg.
nobody cares about micro 43 lol
I didn't see a professional sport photographer with a micro 43. Do you?
@AuthenticPioneer You are right that we photographers use any camera as a tool. But excuse me if I don't agree that cheap is good for professionals, because I have met many photographers who use not only the best cameras, but also the most expensive cameras for clients. And this is a necessary thing, firstly to provide the best cutting-edge technology and secondly to appreciate our customers. By the way, I've heard a lot of complaints from customers who know cameras on the market if you end up shooting with a consumer one. Maybe it's the clients you have, but professional businesses usually don't make art primarily, but they do provide top-notch images.
Not having continuous autofocus above 1/16,000 shutter speed seems odd considering the A1 can do 1/32,000 with no problems at all. The A1 also seems to have a deeper buffer if the A9II gets only 140~ shots before its full. The A1 I think gets over 150 even with twice the resolution.
30fps 50mpx vs 120fps 24mpx I think the buffer fills faster because of that crazy 120fps
They said they have a roadmap to unlock full 1/80000 later on
Its time for Sony to stop the frames per second limitation of 15 fps that they put on third part glass. It was ok when the A9 shot 20 fps and the 3rd party glass did slightly less. Or when the A1 did 30 fps and 3rd party glass did 50% the speed. But Sony cannot expect people to spend 6000 dollars on a camera that shoots 120 fps. And everyone with there 3rd party glass on gets 15 fps. That is crazy. Sony needs to at least make it 60 fps for the A9lll. But in my opinion its time for Sony to enable 3rd party glass to shoot the same fps as the Sony glass. And Sony should also enable focus breathing compinsation for 3rd party glass. Sony needs to appreciate the fact that the availability of 3rd party glass for Sony cameras has gotten thousands of people to switch from Canon and Nikon to Sony. So its time for Sony to enable 3rd party glass to do every thing the same as the Sony glass.
Announcing this camera this early probably as an attempt to punch Canon, they most likely release their R1 with global shutter as well. I honestly expected global shutter to come in micro 4/3 cameras first, but here we are. I wish Sony implements external ssd recording with photo and video, it makes so much sense here.
The next revolution in photography after the removal of mirror will be the removal of mechanical shutter from all full frame mirrorless cameras .Full frame cameras will be even smaller lighter and more reliable since nothng is moving in front of the sensor. I wouldnt say cheaper though.
...... thats exactly what this is there isnt a mechanical shutter in this
The Nikon Z9 did get rid of the mechanical shutter and wouldn't call that camera light and small
You still need a sensor cover for when changing lenses and when the camera is switched off so you don't save much or any space.
What I am looking most forward to in your full review is the composite raw feature. You talked in the Podcast this week about computational photography in cameras this seems to be a first step in that direction for Sony even though you still have to process these Files in Imagine Edge Desktop.
Cool now they can work on the quality of their service and their reliability
This is the first camera in years that really makes me excited. I wish I would fall for cheaper things 🤪
THAT GIGANTIC SOFTBOX ABOVE THE RING IS CRAZY
Manu videos with the same title: this chanced everything. But I think that stacked sensor are already so great, that I don't think photos will be too different than those of the past. I personally don't care too much about videos.
This is not about improving the quality of the photos per se. It's about capturing stills at a very very high frame rate.
Was there a justification for the limitation on third party glass?
Z8 is 50% cheaper, does gorgeous 8k 12bit raw @ 60p internal and oversampled 4k prores HQ @60p... and 20fps 45mp raw pics. How often and for how long does someone need more than 20fps 45mp raw photos? The A7S3's 12mp sensor for $3.5k or the 24mp A9III for $6k camera in 2023? Resolution is not everything but it sure is nice when you want to crop or print big prints.
I look forward to when Sony makes a medium format global sensor to stick in Hasselblads and Fujis. It's gonna get crazy!
So, I am a backbutton focus person on sony. Does precapture still work with the half press or does it all have to be tied to the shutter button?
totally blown away.. what a body. does KEH deliver worldwide?
Love Richard Butler’s portrait in B&W.
I can’t wait to see where the consumer market is 5 years from now with the innovation of high end today.
I hope cameras in the near future will allow for connecting external SSDs via 2nd USB-C for quicker write speeds. Might require more juice, but I'm sure they can make a workaround.
Panasonic already does for recording Video. See s5 ii
Interesting test subject at 16:35! Career choices...
Also a surprisingly good advert for the G9II - any more news on its low-ISO DR??? Would Chris swap his AK47 (err, sorry, GH5) for one???
Do you think the FX3 II will have global shutter? I hope so.
250 base iso doesn’t seem to be that noisy. This is promising 👌
LOL
Look at the amount of lighting in every shot!!!
@@danielvilliers612why would you shoot at 250 iso if there wasn't enough light for that ISO?
@@lackoliver55that’s the base iso. That’s as low as it go.
Until you compare it to 64 base ISO.
How does it do with low light. What is the grain size at 32,000 and 64,000.
Tnx for the great hands on video
Chris after 5 espresso’s lol
Seriously, thanks guys!
Can it record videos while writing photos to the buffer?
We have had Global shutters for ages on Cinema cameras. ie Arri, PV, Red and Sony
those are very expensive cameras , i think now it's time for consumer market to experience it ,thats why many are excited , no more warping etc esp for sports and wildlife photographers which GS benefits more . for those who can't afford GS at least stack cmos will be most welcome esp when sensor and cpu speed is increasing with less rolling shutter
Fantastic features but still waiting for:
1) Modern networking + cloud
Then also
2) Better menus
3) Internal fast storage
4) Lose micro-USB
The volleyball sand-in-the-hair shot - just brilliant lol 🤣