Thanks Ady, Officer 2176 came round in the end. TGA also had an interaction with him and he nearly got arrested, I don't think he likes members of the Public with cameras aka Auditors..... hopefully next time he comes across one of my colleagues he is more receptive and treats us with respect from the outset. I'm chuffed to have got to 100 subs, long way to go to get to 1000 though....I'll keep plodding on.
You don't have to give any details to anyone who thinks they have powers..they don't have any thing. I got attested and taken to a police station. De Man's were made. I still refused to give details. Only a judge could try and force details. Remember this.
@@silverstreetmoto1458 I think section 43 is the worst, they can hold you for 14 days without charge, not sure if this can be extended, I'll have to look it up
Thanks Steve, I appreciate it. I'm trying to deliver something different, more fly on the wall and observational and react to how I'm dealt with. If you intervene too much in these scenarios, then you don't see how it really is and how it would normally play out, then you get the truth and see if Powers are being abused. In this case they were, and I didn't notice them at the time....that's where I will learn and develop. That day was the first time that I had properly engaged with the Police and to get a Stop & Search as was well. I learned so much from playing back this video over and over again. Things I missed at the time, it's so easy to get caught up in the moment. I watch the Auditors that you mentioned and they all have a unique style especially PTTP, so knowledgeable, it's because of DJ & PTTP that I decided to pick up the camera myself.. That day was my 3rd or 4th day out. Thanks for watching the video, taking the time to comment and joining me on my Journey.
@10:25 section 23 to search under CODE A 2.2 there is a 2 tier system must be passed = (i)suspicion + (ii) reasonable ground In 2014 Home Office has consulted over proposed revisions to PACE Code A (Stop and search). The consultation ran from >>>26th August 2014 to 20th October 2014. 'reasonable grounds "
Hi Bill, I'm so thankful and grateful that you have found my Channel, your knowledge is amazing, you are going to be a massive help to me and any other Auditors, anyone who reads this info. Thanks Again.
@@scorpionaudits no probs , glad I retired long , long ago,,the problem is with the the "police code of practice" comes under PACE section 66 , the problem is section 67 PACE (10) A failure on the part- (a) of a police officer to comply with any provision of . . . a CODE; shall not of itself render him (PC) liable to any criminal or civil proceedings. You may have heard when person states he is making a complaint against PC ,, & PC then states ""good luck with that" accompanied with a 😁 ..that is why s.67 (10 (a) gives them confidence to abuse the CODE and not follow that CODE without a reasonable explanation as to WHY they have departed from that CODE "guidance" all the best 🙏
@Bill Anderson I need to get myself a hard copy of PACE, I've read quite a few of the sections, together with lots of other legislations, mainly from watching other auditors to understand and get a grasp of what they are saying. I need to really study it. I find Law fascinating. Studied Business Law many many years ago
Section 23 Mis-Use of Drugs Act, I'm trying to find some case Law on this to see if I can make a complaint. Apparently as mentioned earlier, but I've been so far unable to find it. It is a mute subject and conflicting info from the Home Office, IOPC and College of Policing. He wasn't arrested, just detained
@@philldownes8685 The smell of cannabis as a single objective factor for a search has drawn particular concern. Using the smell of cannabis as the sole basis for a search has not been tested in the courts and therefore smelling cannabis can constitute a legal basis for a search on its own.22 However, there are concerns that it is ineffective, particularly as attribution is difficult, and that it may be contributing to disproportionate rates of stop and search by ethnicity.23 In April 2022, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) - the body responsible for overseeing the police complaints system in England and Wales - published a learning report on stop and search which highlighted concerns about the “legitimacy” of some searches. It noted that the “reliance upon the smell of cannabis as sole grounds for a stop and search” was one of the greatest concerns it hears about from stakeholders regarding searches and “how it is used to justify the apparent over-policing of Black communities”.24 The IOPC raised concern that in cases where no cannabis is then found on the individual - and where there were otherwise weak or vague grounds for the search - it reinforces the perception that the smell of cannabis is being used as an excuse to conduct a stop and search on certain individuals. Officers are currently advised to only search people they can smell cannabis on when they have additional objective factors on which to base their suspicion. 25 However, the IOPC recommended that the Home Office review whether the smell of cannabis alone should provide reasonable grounds for a search or whether changes are required to the statutory guidance in PACE Code A This is taken from The House of Commons Library from July 2022. I'm currently trying to find if there is current case law, if I find it an IOPC complaint will be issued
@@scorpionaudits He was stopped and searched, and Section 23 says, "… If a constable has REASONABLE GROUNDS to suspect that any person is in possession of a controlled drug, the constable may-search that person, and detain him for the purpose of searching him …"
The College of Policing's authorised professional practice on stop and search training for police officers states 'smell of cannabis' alone is NOT ENOUGH TO CONSTITUTE REASONABLE SUSPISION for stop and search.
Hi TGA, I hope your well, He doesn't like Auditors PC Zolten, I made so many school boy errors on this one, first proper Police Interaction that day and I was a bit like a Rabbit Caught in the Headlights, I learned a lot from it, I saw your video after I filmed this one where the Serg saved the day. Love your work btw.
Thanks for the advice, learning everyday, that day was my first engagement with the Police and got caught up in the drama and everything you have seen previously and read up on etc goes out of you head. Believe me I was really critical of myself when I replayed the footage. I have lots more Police engagement and coming up towards the back end of April and you see a completely different SA. This was filmed early February.
Hi Gary, Thanks for your comments and I can't disagree with you there, when I reviewed the videos I spotted so many things that I could have done, and I've beaten myself up on these,, that day was my first interaction with the Police and I kind of got more caught up in the drama and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I've learned so much from that experience and the mistakes made, and I'm more prepared from the experience, that's all to do with development which you will see in future videos where I challenge the Police as I'm much more confident now in doing so. Thanks again for taking the time to comment, its how I will learn.
If you keep this attitude you'll do well unlike TLA and Yardley who just come across as rude from the off.... Other good audtors are PTTP and Plod or Not To Plod... Good video
Thanks, I'm not trying to antagonise the Police, just record what I see, that way you get to see the truth and the real picture. Sometimes I'll get this right, sometimes wrong. I agree PTTP is excellent, watched all of his content, I need to watch Plod or Not to Plod, I'll add that to the list.
@Scorpion Audits Nope your off to a good start 💯👌🏽 the reason I like Plod is because he doesn't settle for cash when the forces have tried to settle 😉 he will still pursue a case, that proves his agenda and realness
Just catching up on your videos having subbed today. Putting aside the VALUE of the of what you do for one moment... Just a quick, Thank you for showing me around - While you're walking' about, creating great content, I'm 12,000 miles away - I will never see these places or the people going about their day - in ANY OTHER WAY - It's like I'm a LOCAL tourist ! Now back to that VALUABLE work that you do... A very long, Thank YOU.
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Very interesting and entertaining. Officer 2176 was great and your interactions were brilliant. Congratulations on your 100+ subs.
Thanks Ady, Officer 2176 came round in the end. TGA also had an interaction with him and he nearly got arrested, I don't think he likes members of the Public with cameras aka Auditors..... hopefully next time he comes across one of my colleagues he is more receptive and treats us with respect from the outset. I'm chuffed to have got to 100 subs, long way to go to get to 1000 though....I'll keep plodding on.
@@scorpionaudits The police can't search your phone unless they show you a warrant signed by a judge.
@@misssparky5574they can't delete anything from your phone without a court order
I smell bacon when I'm walking down the road I don't look for pigs
lol
You don't have to give any details to anyone who thinks they have powers..they don't have any thing. I got attested and taken to a police station. De
Man's were made. I still refused to give details.
Only a judge could try and force details. Remember this.
Section 50 is the sticking point which does get abused. Did you make a Civil Claim Ian
I always wondered about what happens when you refuse and get arrested,they can't hold you forever 👍
@@silverstreetmoto1458 I think section 43 is the worst, they can hold you for 14 days without charge, not sure if this can be extended, I'll have to look it up
@@scorpionaudits I've downloaded pace so going to be studying that.thanks man 👍✌
@@silverstreetmoto1458 It's confusing in part
I watch loads of audit videos DJ/PJ/AB/PTTP and i love your style and approach, its the first time i have watched you, well-done buddy
Thanks Steve, I appreciate it. I'm trying to deliver something different, more fly on the wall and observational and react to how I'm dealt with. If you intervene too much in these scenarios, then you don't see how it really is and how it would normally play out, then you get the truth and see if Powers are being abused. In this case they were, and I didn't notice them at the time....that's where I will learn and develop.
That day was the first time that I had properly engaged with the Police and to get a Stop & Search as was well. I learned so much from playing back this video over and over again. Things I missed at the time, it's so easy to get caught up in the moment.
I watch the Auditors that you mentioned and they all have a unique style especially PTTP, so knowledgeable, it's because of DJ & PTTP that I decided to pick up the camera myself..
That day was my 3rd or 4th day out. Thanks for watching the video, taking the time to comment and joining me on my Journey.
Wish more auditors were like this
Thanks Tilly that's appreciated
@10:25 section 23 to search under CODE A 2.2 there is a 2 tier system must be passed = (i)suspicion + (ii) reasonable ground
In 2014
Home Office has consulted over proposed revisions to PACE Code A (Stop and
search). The consultation ran from >>>26th August 2014 to 20th October 2014. 'reasonable grounds "
Hi Bill, I'm so thankful and grateful that you have found my Channel, your knowledge is amazing, you are going to be a massive help to me and any other Auditors, anyone who reads this info. Thanks Again.
@@scorpionaudits no probs , glad I retired long , long ago,,the problem is with the the "police code of practice" comes under PACE section 66 , the problem is section 67 PACE (10) A failure on the part-
(a) of a police officer to comply with any provision of . . . a CODE;
shall not of itself render him (PC) liable to any criminal or civil proceedings.
You may have heard when person states he is making a complaint against PC ,, & PC then states ""good luck with that" accompanied with a 😁 ..that is why s.67 (10 (a) gives them confidence to abuse the CODE and not follow that CODE without a reasonable explanation as to WHY they have departed from that CODE "guidance"
all the best 🙏
@Bill Anderson I need to get myself a hard copy of PACE, I've read quite a few of the sections, together with lots of other legislations, mainly from watching other auditors to understand and get a grasp of what they are saying. I need to really study it. I find Law fascinating. Studied Business Law many many years ago
Wishing you all the best in your new venture. Great audit 👍🏼
Much appreciated and thanks for watching,
Hi Scorpion, what law was he stopped, searched and cited under? I didn't realise smelling of weed and smoking a joint at home is a crime!
Section 23 Mis-Use of Drugs Act, I'm trying to find some case Law on this to see if I can make a complaint. Apparently as mentioned earlier, but I've been so far unable to find it. It is a mute subject and conflicting info from the Home Office, IOPC and College of Policing. He wasn't arrested, just detained
no law about smelling of weed anywhere in the uk...
@@philldownes8685 The smell of cannabis as a single objective factor for a search has drawn
particular concern. Using the smell of cannabis as the sole basis for a search
has not been tested in the courts and therefore smelling cannabis can
constitute a legal basis for a search on its own.22 However, there are concerns
that it is ineffective, particularly as attribution is difficult, and that it may be
contributing to disproportionate rates of stop and search by ethnicity.23
In April 2022, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) - the body
responsible for overseeing the police complaints system in England and
Wales - published a learning report on stop and search which highlighted
concerns about the “legitimacy” of some searches. It noted that the “reliance
upon the smell of cannabis as sole grounds for a stop and search” was one of
the greatest concerns it hears about from stakeholders regarding searches
and “how it is used to justify the apparent over-policing of Black
communities”.24 The IOPC raised concern that in cases where no cannabis is
then found on the individual - and where there were otherwise weak or vague
grounds for the search - it reinforces the perception that the smell of
cannabis is being used as an excuse to conduct a stop and search on certain
individuals.
Officers are currently advised to only search people they can smell cannabis
on when they have additional objective factors on which to base their
suspicion.
25 However, the IOPC recommended that the Home Office review
whether the smell of cannabis alone should provide reasonable grounds for a
search or whether changes are required to the statutory guidance in PACE Code A
This is taken from The House of Commons Library from July 2022.
I'm currently trying to find if there is current case law, if I find it an IOPC complaint will be issued
@@scorpionaudits He was stopped and searched, and Section 23 says, "… If a constable has REASONABLE GROUNDS to suspect that any person is in possession of a controlled drug, the constable may-search that person, and detain him for the purpose of searching him …"
The College of Policing's authorised professional practice on stop and search training for police officers states 'smell of cannabis' alone is NOT ENOUGH TO CONSTITUTE REASONABLE SUSPISION for stop and search.
Bloody hell it’s PC Zoltan
Hi TGA, I hope your well, He doesn't like Auditors PC Zolten, I made so many school boy errors on this one, first proper Police Interaction that day and I was a bit like a Rabbit Caught in the Headlights, I learned a lot from it, I saw your video after I filmed this one where the Serg saved the day. Love your work btw.
I wouldn't say ya was looking out for his rights ect
Section 23 of the mis use of drugs Act threw me, I wasn't versed on it, but I am now
You should have told him that he didn’t have to provide id
Thanks for the advice, learning everyday, that day was my first engagement with the Police and got caught up in the drama and everything you have seen previously and read up on etc goes out of you head. Believe me I was really critical of myself when I replayed the footage. I have lots more Police engagement and coming up towards the back end of April and you see a completely different SA. This was filmed early February.
3 OF THEM FOR A SEARCH - GO GET SOME REAL CRIMINALS PLEASE!!!!!!
Totally agree
The sniffing police
lol
It’s not illegal to smoke weed , it’s only illegal to possess it.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated,
scorpion audits is police undercover ffs man you sound more police than the police
Thanks for the feedback, don't worry, there is some juicy stuff coming,
Officer Zoltan is famous in other interactions with Auditors. Think he`s learning not to mess with you Guys.
He nearly Arrested TGA
😂😂😂😂😂
Well ya didn't say anything to protect his rights ya filmed him showing his phone to police without saying anything
Hi Gary, Thanks for your comments and I can't disagree with you there, when I reviewed the videos I spotted so many things that I could have done, and I've beaten myself up on these,, that day was my first interaction with the Police and I kind of got more caught up in the drama and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I've learned so much from that experience and the mistakes made, and I'm more prepared from the experience, that's all to do with development which you will see in future videos where I challenge the Police as I'm much more confident now in doing so. Thanks again for taking the time to comment, its how I will learn.
Well done 🍺🦘
Thanks 👍
You need to sort out camera angles
Couldn't agree more, but I'm getting much better and getting used to the Pocket two settings, the clouds were nice though
If you keep this attitude you'll do well unlike TLA and Yardley who just come across as rude from the off.... Other good audtors are PTTP and Plod or Not To Plod... Good video
Thanks, I'm not trying to antagonise the Police, just record what I see, that way you get to see the truth and the real picture. Sometimes I'll get this right, sometimes wrong. I agree PTTP is excellent, watched all of his content, I need to watch Plod or Not to Plod, I'll add that to the list.
@Scorpion Audits Nope your off to a good start 💯👌🏽 the reason I like Plod is because he doesn't settle for cash when the forces have tried to settle 😉 he will still pursue a case, that proves his agenda and realness
should be renamed grass audits.
Good audit, good luck.
Thanks
Good job
Thanks
Just catching up on your videos having subbed today.
Putting aside the VALUE of the of what you do for one moment...
Just a quick, Thank you for showing me around - While you're walking' about, creating great content,
I'm 12,000 miles away - I will never see these places or the people going about their day - in ANY OTHER WAY -
It's like I'm a LOCAL tourist !
Now back to that VALUABLE work that you do...
A very long, Thank YOU.
Thanks for tuning in W M. Where are located, are you in Australia / New Zealand
@@scorpionaudits NZ born 😌- Aussie for a few months a year for work - so BOTH😎
he done nothing wrong only had a weed n u sucking up to police bro wtf
Video coming up in April where I take an officer to school,
You are not for me sorry
That's a shame as I'm new and learning