My first folder had internal gears and I miss them. I also upgraded from a straight handlebar to a Surly bar with a nice sweep that got rid of chronic wrist pain. So, kind of like the Tern Node, but smaller. I found the bike, a Dahon with 20" wheels, to be unweildy on public transit. The Tern fold is a little more compact. But nothing beats a Brompton for multi modal commuting. And they are lovely.
Here in Toronto I strongly recommend wider tires then Bromptons can offer stock unless you *only* ride on our smoothest streets (during winter the freeze and melt cycles along with the snow plows can do some serious damage). There are some cool after market kits from Kinetics I've seen to make them more "off road" road (aka fit larger tires) but its effectively swapping out half the (already considerably more expensive) bike. So I agree Bromptons ARE cool - they do have their time and place.
i own the d7i since 3 years and it's my favorite bike. i use it for all purposes: travling by train/commuting, trips over some days (with camping equipment) and rides up to 150 km per day and sometimes a little bit mountainbiking or for the afterwork ride - you need nothing else 😃 ... my other bikes are often very sad 😉 what could be better? i would prever instead of the nexus 7 the nexus 8 or the alfine 11 and some parts as the chain and the brake could be of better quality 😢
There is another security advantage to folders, other than the ability to bring them inside. When even partially folded, the lock can go through the frame and both wheels. I have been doing this since I got my first Dahon in 2009, then continued it with my Brompton. My newest acquisition, a third-hand Tern Eclipse X22, has ridiculously overspeced fancy-ass wheels mounted with quick-release theft enablers. I am glad that I can lock up these steal-me wheels.
In Toronto bike theft is a *serious* concern and this is part of the pitch (taken directly from the Elipse 22 page on Tern site) "Fold and store indoors for the best theft protection". And of course you can always just swap out the quick releases for a security skewer if you are planning to lock it outside.
In any of the bikes listed here we haven't had any issues. The only issue I've seen arise (In a different model) would be due to neglect. Grit in the folding mech allowed parts to wear unevenly which eventually led to some play in the frame. Luckily this was still even covered by warranty. That being said, warranty coverage only applies to the original purchaser so keep that in mind when shopping used!
Thanks for the valuable information. I learned a lot. Wish there was a dealer near me that had all of the Tern folding bikes to test ride at the same time. Maybe in the spring this will occur. Can you tell me if the 20" wheel is more or less stable than the 24" wheel, when turning. I'm getting older and want a light weight bike that is stable and not too twitchy. I currently ride a full size bike. Thank you
Bike stability isn't only based on wheel size- overall geometry will also be a big factor! But in general a larger wheel will feel more stable in a straight line and smaller wheels feel a bit more nimble (some may say twitchy if they are new to smaller wheel bikes) which many riders prefer as it requires a little less steering input to turn the bike around obstacles and tends to be lighter and obviously smaller for storage. It really comes down to rider preference and I wouldn't note a significant difference - once you get used to either they both feel great. But if you want a marginal increase in stability I might favor the Node models (24" wheels) slightly. -Owen
I was wondering about the D7i models and noticed they do not come with a chain tensioner. Does the frame have vertical drop outs & if so, will that cause a problem as the chain wears? The Link d7i looks like it ticks all the right boxes for me with the generator hub, IGH, Big Apple tires, rear rack, fenders & biologic chain wrap. With all those features, they make a Brompton look like an expensive antique.
Both the D7i Node and Link have horizontal dropouts so no need for a tensioner. I don't really specifically address that in the video as the language around horizontal/vertical dropouts can be a bit confusing for novice/more entry level viewers and my goal was to share as many fact without getting into the weeds or confusing folks! Sorry for not clarifying -Owen
@@urbane-cyclist Thanks for clearing that up. You did a great job on the features of those bikes. Not having a tensioner is another plus feature. I should have realized Tern would have already figured that out. :)
The max gross vehicle weight of these bikes is 120 kgs which includes the bike (these are around ~12-13 kgs), cargo and accessories so the max rider weight would need to be under around ~105-110 kgs (depending on the bike model) so riders should be no more than about ~235-240lbs. For larger riders something like the Tern Short Haul may work a bit better (although it is non folding) but riders can be up to up to 120 kg or 264 lbs
Hey first of all, this is a great video! As someone looking to get a Link D8, there was a lot of useful things mentioned in the video. I did want to ask how tall Owen is exactly? I'm only curious because he mentioned how it was a factor in him preferring the Node series.
Hey! Owen here, I am 6'2"/188cm. I would normally ride at least a Large but more often an XL bike for reference, or in more traditional road bikes usually a 58 -60cm frame size
I was thinking of getting a folding bike, those 20" wheel ones like zizzo or brompton, but my concerns were fitting it on my city's bus. The bus already has a rack. Why would I go to the hassle of bringing a folded bike inside, especiallyif its crowded. I've also had a 20" wheel bmx before, and the hook on the bus rack kept falling off because the bike wheels are too small. Also, isnt locking it outside a store or anywhere a concern because a folding bike,I assume, is more eye-catching to thieves. I could just fold it and take it w/ me while I shop, but why would I do that?
Sounds like you've got arguments both for and against yourself there! The bikes are great for multi-modal transportation, such as buses, for sure, and take up about as much room as a large bag or suitcase -- Tern even makes a suitcase-style bag for some models! This means you likely wouldn't find yourself in a position where you'll be putting it on the rack outside the bus, which I agree would be counterintuitive. As for locking up, it's much more secure because, when folded, you will be able to pass the lock through more points on the bike. And if you'd prefer not to fold, it's just as safe as your regular bike out there. The real test of security is your lock! A good lock is the best theft deterrent you can get, so investing in one that suits your security needs and locking it properly are more important than, say, how unique the bike might look. Keep thinking over it , I'm sure you can find a way to fit it into your lifestyle!
Hello friend, I am from Portugal. I would like to know what is better for cycloturism? Link or node? I think to buy a tern node d8 in 2th hand. Do you have any more cheap?
We sell only new bikes at our shop- and for which is better- it depends! The Tern Links are a little smaller and the d8 would be a bit lighter, but the lighting and internal gearing would be nice on either the Node D7i or Link D7i! It comes down to what features you value most! Lightest = Link D8, Best equipped = Node D7i, Smallest = Either Link model etc. Best way to figure it out is do a test drive at your local Tern dealer!
None of the models in this overview have disc brakes or can be converted. Tern just introduced the Link B8 which comes with disc brakes already which is what I might recommend looking at.
We don't usually stock that version, we often do stock the Eclipse D16 but we are currently sold out. If you are trying to source a X22 Eclipse we are happy to bring one in if you are looking to special order one! Shoot us an e-mail if you have more question! ucycle(@)ucycle(dot)com
Regarding noise: The Node model with the metal chain enclosed in the plastic guard, is it noisy? Does the metal chain rub against the plastic guard? Thank you.
The chain cover moves with the chain and I've never really noticed any noise from it (or heard any negative feedback from our customers). The cover is similar to cable organizers/covers and is also easily removable if you are concerned.
Tern does an excellent job at aftercare and support so If you are looking for the cheapest folding bike maybe they are not for you...but if you want to have available parts and the bike to last - I can speak from experience that they are a fantastic choice. Additionally They have loads of awesome accessories available. More often then not I have customers trying to make Tern accessories and parts work on their (non tern) folding bikes because the bikes they chose have poor aftercare and parts availability. Bottom line - it depends on your value principle to determine if these are right for you! -Owen
What a fantastic overview! Thank you! You convinced me to get the Node D7i!
My first folder had internal gears and I miss them. I also upgraded from a straight handlebar to a Surly bar with a nice sweep that got rid of chronic wrist pain. So, kind of like the Tern Node, but smaller. I found the bike, a Dahon with 20" wheels, to be unweildy on public transit. The Tern fold is a little more compact. But nothing beats a Brompton for multi modal commuting. And they are lovely.
Here in Toronto I strongly recommend wider tires then Bromptons can offer stock unless you *only* ride on our smoothest streets (during winter the freeze and melt cycles along with the snow plows can do some serious damage). There are some cool after market kits from Kinetics I've seen to make them more "off road" road (aka fit larger tires) but its effectively swapping out half the (already considerably more expensive) bike. So I agree Bromptons ARE cool - they do have their time and place.
Nice vide with labelled captions, appreciate that :)
No problem 👍We're always working on making things simpler for folks wherever we can!
Thanks for the video! A lot of good info. You helped me make my choice of cycle - the node d7i!
Glad we could help!
i own the d7i since 3 years and it's my favorite bike. i use it for all purposes: travling by train/commuting, trips over some days (with camping equipment) and rides up to 150 km per day and sometimes a little bit mountainbiking or for the afterwork ride - you need nothing else 😃 ... my other bikes are often very sad 😉
what could be better? i would prever instead of the nexus 7 the nexus 8 or the alfine 11 and some parts as the chain and the brake could be of better quality 😢
Good choice! Glad to hear you're loving it! - Veronica
Can the rear wheel be replaced with an upgraded hub?
@@jefftoonstra5087 yes I think so. for example the tern verge s8i comes with 8-speed hub.
There is another security advantage to folders, other than the ability to bring them inside. When even partially folded, the lock can go through the frame and both wheels. I have been doing this since I got my first Dahon in 2009, then continued it with my Brompton. My newest acquisition, a third-hand Tern Eclipse X22, has ridiculously overspeced fancy-ass wheels mounted with quick-release theft enablers. I am glad that I can lock up these steal-me wheels.
In Toronto bike theft is a *serious* concern and this is part of the pitch (taken directly from the Elipse 22 page on Tern site) "Fold and store indoors for the best theft protection". And of course you can always just swap out the quick releases for a security skewer if you are planning to lock it outside.
Thanks for the review. 24" Tern had frame issues like the 20" ones on the past? I'm looking for an used Castro here at Brazil.
In any of the bikes listed here we haven't had any issues. The only issue I've seen arise (In a different model) would be due to neglect. Grit in the folding mech allowed parts to wear unevenly which eventually led to some play in the frame. Luckily this was still even covered by warranty. That being said, warranty coverage only applies to the original purchaser so keep that in mind when shopping used!
Thanks for the valuable information. I learned a lot. Wish there was a dealer near me that had all of the Tern folding bikes to test ride at the same time. Maybe in the spring this will occur. Can you tell me if the 20" wheel is more or less stable than the 24" wheel, when turning. I'm getting older and want a light weight bike that is stable and not too twitchy. I currently ride a full size bike. Thank you
Bike stability isn't only based on wheel size- overall geometry will also be a big factor! But in general a larger wheel will feel more stable in a straight line and smaller wheels feel a bit more nimble (some may say twitchy if they are new to smaller wheel bikes) which many riders prefer as it requires a little less steering input to turn the bike around obstacles and tends to be lighter and obviously smaller for storage. It really comes down to rider preference and I wouldn't note a significant difference - once you get used to either they both feel great. But if you want a marginal increase in stability I might favor the Node models (24" wheels) slightly. -Owen
I was wondering about the D7i models and noticed they do not come with a chain tensioner. Does the frame have vertical drop outs & if so, will that cause a problem as the chain wears? The Link d7i looks like it ticks all the right boxes for me with the generator hub, IGH, Big Apple tires, rear rack, fenders & biologic chain wrap. With all those features, they make a Brompton look like an expensive antique.
Both the D7i Node and Link have horizontal dropouts so no need for a tensioner. I don't really specifically address that in the video as the language around horizontal/vertical dropouts can be a bit confusing for novice/more entry level viewers and my goal was to share as many fact without getting into the weeds or confusing folks! Sorry for not clarifying -Owen
@@urbane-cyclist Thanks for clearing that up. You did a great job on the features of those bikes. Not having a tensioner is another plus feature. I should have realized Tern would have already figured that out. :)
Are these foldable bicycles suitable for heavy people ?
The max gross vehicle weight of these bikes is 120 kgs which includes the bike (these are around ~12-13 kgs), cargo and accessories so the max rider weight would need to be under around ~105-110 kgs (depending on the bike model) so riders should be no more than about ~235-240lbs. For larger riders something like the Tern Short Haul may work a bit better (although it is non folding) but riders can be up to up to 120 kg or 264 lbs
@urbane-cyclist OK and thanks so much for answering my question
Hey first of all, this is a great video! As someone looking to get a Link D8, there was a lot of useful things mentioned in the video. I did want to ask how tall Owen is exactly? I'm only curious because he mentioned how it was a factor in him preferring the Node series.
Hey! Owen here, I am 6'2"/188cm. I would normally ride at least a Large but more often an XL bike for reference, or in more traditional road bikes usually a 58 -60cm frame size
I was thinking of getting a folding bike, those 20" wheel ones like zizzo or brompton, but my concerns were fitting it on my city's bus. The bus already has a rack. Why would I go to the hassle of bringing a folded bike inside, especiallyif its crowded. I've also had a 20" wheel bmx before, and the hook on the bus rack kept falling off because the bike wheels are too small. Also, isnt locking it outside a store or anywhere a concern because a folding bike,I assume, is more eye-catching to thieves. I could just fold it and take it w/ me while I shop, but why would I do that?
Sounds like you've got arguments both for and against yourself there! The bikes are great for multi-modal transportation, such as buses, for sure, and take up about as much room as a large bag or suitcase -- Tern even makes a suitcase-style bag for some models! This means you likely wouldn't find yourself in a position where you'll be putting it on the rack outside the bus, which I agree would be counterintuitive. As for locking up, it's much more secure because, when folded, you will be able to pass the lock through more points on the bike. And if you'd prefer not to fold, it's just as safe as your regular bike out there. The real test of security is your lock! A good lock is the best theft deterrent you can get, so investing in one that suits your security needs and locking it properly are more important than, say, how unique the bike might look. Keep thinking over it , I'm sure you can find a way to fit it into your lifestyle!
Hello friend, I am from Portugal. I would like to know what is better for cycloturism? Link or node? I think to buy a tern node d8 in 2th hand. Do you have any more cheap?
We sell only new bikes at our shop- and for which is better- it depends! The Tern Links are a little smaller and the d8 would be a bit lighter, but the lighting and internal gearing would be nice on either the Node D7i or Link D7i! It comes down to what features you value most! Lightest = Link D8, Best equipped = Node D7i, Smallest = Either Link model etc. Best way to figure it out is do a test drive at your local Tern dealer!
Hi, can this bike change the brake to disc?
None of the models in this overview have disc brakes or can be converted. Tern just introduced the Link B8 which comes with disc brakes already which is what I might recommend looking at.
You don't sell Tern X22
?
We don't usually stock that version, we often do stock the Eclipse D16 but we are currently sold out. If you are trying to source a X22 Eclipse we are happy to bring one in if you are looking to special order one! Shoot us an e-mail if you have more question! ucycle(@)ucycle(dot)com
Regarding noise: The Node model with the metal chain enclosed in the plastic guard, is it noisy? Does the metal chain rub against the plastic guard? Thank you.
The chain cover moves with the chain and I've never really noticed any noise from it (or heard any negative feedback from our customers). The cover is similar to cable organizers/covers and is also easily removable if you are concerned.
Informative video but Tern is way overpriced compared to other manufacturers.
Tern does an excellent job at aftercare and support so If you are looking for the cheapest folding bike maybe they are not for you...but if you want to have available parts and the bike to last - I can speak from experience that they are a fantastic choice. Additionally They have loads of awesome accessories available. More often then not I have customers trying to make Tern accessories and parts work on their (non tern) folding bikes because the bikes they chose have poor aftercare and parts availability. Bottom line - it depends on your value principle to determine if these are right for you! -Owen